I'd allow it. It's the only counter to cloak non-sci has.
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And what should the kdf use as a counter if they aren't a sci?
A fed :P:D:D
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Yep if this is planned on being allowed then i can guarantee that no kdf teams would take part.
wait, there are other KDF teams except hobo? lol I thought they had all left or gone fed
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1 rule I would like to see added is No TDF because it is not a fair playing field since KDF don't have access to it and the Feds already have all of the good KDF consoles.
If not completely removing TDF, at least limit it to 1 per team, because having 3 of them on a team while limiting the team to only 1 cloaked ship is imbalanced.
Like I said though, it would be better if it was banned altogether since it is the most powerful console in the game that is not cross-faction.
Unfortunately, the rules have already been laid down and consequently I am not permitted to negotiate on possible modifications for the guideline anymore. But I can understand the KDF's p.o.v when it comes to the TDF console. In my opinion, cryptic should have granted klingons access to it by the time feds were enabled access to plasmonic leech and aceton assimilators.
I am afraid that you have to blame cryptic for disadvantaging them with respect to accessible cross-faction items.
On the other hand I assume that the TDF can merely unfold its full potential in conjunction with the sensor scan from a sci captain. Keep in mind that each team can only field 1 science captain at most. I think that neither an engineer nor a tac captain who is supposed to serve as a pure damage-dealer could seriously endanger a cautiously-acting cloaker just by running the detection console without having a full spec into starship sensor probes + embassy consoles etc.
I just can hope that this condition doesn't discourage you from eventually taking part on the event.
Unfortunately, the rules have already been laid down and consequently I am not permitted to negotiate on possible modifications for the guideline anymore. But I can understand the KDF's p.o.v when it comes to the TDF console. In my opinion, cryptic should have granted klingons access to it by the time feds were enabled access to plasmonic leech and aceton assimilators.
I am afraid that you have to blame cryptic for disadvantaging them with respect to accessible cross-faction items.
On the other hand I assume that the TDF can merely unfold its full potential in conjunction with the sensor scan from a sci captain. Keep in mind that each team can only field 1 science captain at most. I think that neither an engineer nor a tac captain who is supposed to serve as a pure damage-dealer could seriously endanger a cautiously-acting cloaker just by running the detection console without having a full spec into starship sensor probes + embassy consoles etc.
I just can hope that this condition doesn't discourage you from eventually taking part on the event.
Sure you can't just say, no TDF? Literally that is the deciding factor of whether we'll enter. So.
Unfortunately, the rules have already been laid down and consequently I am not permitted to negotiate on possible modifications for the guideline anymore. But I can understand the KDF's p.o.v when it comes to the TDF console. In my opinion, cryptic should have granted klingons access to it by the time feds were enabled access to plasmonic leech and aceton assimilators.
I am afraid that you have to blame cryptic for disadvantaging them with respect to accessible cross-faction items.
On the other hand I assume that the TDF can merely unfold its full potential in conjunction with the sensor scan from a sci captain. Keep in mind that each team can only field 1 science captain at most. I think that neither an engineer nor a tac captain who is supposed to serve as a pure damage-dealer could seriously endanger a cautiously-acting cloaker just by running the detection console without having a full spec into starship sensor probes + embassy consoles etc.
I just can hope that this condition doesn't discourage you from eventually taking part on the event.
I thought you were the intermediary between the tourney organizers and English speaking community, but it sounds to me like you're making the decision on your own. Could you please relay/translate my concerns about the TDF console to the organizers and why I think it should be disallowed? Last tourney I remember certain rules were changed/added before the start of the tourney but for some reason you're saying it can't be done this time without even presenting my argument to them? Why is that? Maybe because you're fed and have access to TDF and want the advantage for your team? Just a theory, and hopefully an incorrect one.
You blame Cryptic, but the reason rules exist in this tourney (or any tourney) is because Cryptic sucks at PvP balance so we have to balance it ourselves. If the rule of no TDF console does not exist, it is not the fault of Cryptic, but rather of the tourney organizers that failed to implement the rule.
Unfortunately, the rules have already been laid down and consequently I am not permitted to negotiate on possible modifications for the guideline anymore.
Hello Skurf & Neepa,.
Hanni has right.. the rules have allready been laid down.
The Comunitiy there accept the Rulez like they are, so sorry NO Modifications anymore.
I thought you were the intermediary between the tourney organizers and English speaking community, but it sounds to me like you're making the decision on your own.
You are comprehending correctly, What I as the mediator was doing is to respond to your request of further additons to the rulebook. I have never made my own decisions I merely expressed my personal p.o.v there.
Last tourney I remember certain rules were changed/added before the start of the tourney but for some reason you're saying it can't be done this time without even presenting my argument to them?
However, there won't be any changes beforehand in this tourney. That's the difference.
You blame Cryptic, but the reason rules exist in this tourney (or any tourney) is because Cryptic sucks at PvP balance so we have to balance it ourselves. If the rule of no TDF console does not exist, it is not the fault of Cryptic, but rather of the tourney organizers that failed to implement the rule.
As far as I can recall it the TDF console has never been excluded in any previous No Bs tournament (No BS 3 was the only exception since clickable universal consoles were generally disallowed) or other kind of pvp-competitions (STO frontline tournaments, Jupiter force tourney etc.), although KDF teams were involved in these ones aswell. Why should it be banned just now then? Could you clarify that for me?
Unfortunately, the rules have already been laid down and consequently I am not permitted to negotiate on possible modifications for the guideline anymore. But I can understand the KDF's p.o.v when it comes to the TDF console. In my opinion, cryptic should have granted klingons access to it by the time feds were enabled access to plasmonic leech and aceton assimilators.
I am afraid that you have to blame cryptic for disadvantaging them with respect to accessible cross-faction items.
On the other hand I assume that the TDF can merely unfold its full potential in conjunction with the sensor scan from a sci captain. Keep in mind that each team can only field 1 science captain at most. I think that neither an engineer nor a tac captain who is supposed to serve as a pure damage-dealer could seriously endanger a cautiously-acting cloaker just by running the detection console without having a full spec into starship sensor probes + embassy consoles etc.
I just can hope that this condition doesn't discourage you from eventually taking part on the event.
Are you able to send us mcgosmos in game handle, i think this issue would be better discussed with the person hosting the tournament.
As far as I can recall it the TDF console has never been excluded in any previous No Bs tournament or other kind of pvp-competitions (STO frontline tournaments, Jupiter force tourney etc.), although KDF teams were involved in these ones aswell. Why should it be banned just now then? Could you clarify that for me?
Slavery was not illegal in 1800, so why should we have laws against it now? Just because something was a certain way once upon a time, doesn't mean it should always remain that way.
To explain further, before Delta Rising everyone had many PvP-ready toons. All the PvPers in Hobos had multiple Fed toons that were 100% PvP ready that they could use if needed. In the final match of the last tourney I even used my Fed Sci captain because our strategy called for it. Now, with the massive grind-fest, most KDF/Hobos don't have PvP-ready Fed toons so this is not an option.
In addition, all of the good KDF consoles have been released to Fed at this point so now Feds have a distinct advantage in console selection compared to KDF and we KDF-main players no longer have the option to hop onto our Fed since they are not leveled.
In the end, I'm not sure why I'm bothering explaining this to you since you refuse to even relay the message to the organizers. I think you misunderstand the purpose and role of an intermediary.
so basically according to your "logic" we should ban all BoPs, because Feds don't have 100% universal seating ships.
And Battle Cloak, because Feds can't have it.
And what about Subnuke? Tacs can't have it, so why should Scis be allowed to use it?
And Alpha? Scis can't have it, so ban it!
That's called faction/career diversity.
You see how wrong what you're saying is, and what it could lead to?
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so basically according to your "logic" we should ban all BoPs, because Feds don't have 100% universal seating ships.
And Battle Cloak, because Feds can't have it.
And what about Subnuke? Tacs can't have it, so why should Scis be allowed to use it?
And Alpha? Scis can't have it, so ban it!
That's called faction/career diversity.
You see how wrong what you're saying is, and what it could lead to?
You are playing in this tournament? No? Then what do you care about the rules?
If you don't understand that times are different post-Delta Rising then I don't know what else to say. Ship diversity is fine, which the Feds have the advantage in as well, but I don't even care about that. But, but...Feds don't have battlecloak??....yeah, that's a good one.
Slavery was not illegal in 1800, so why should we have laws against it now? Just because something was a certain way once upon a time, doesn't mean it should always remain that way.
the people back then had different traditions and customs and the structure of society was differing from the today's one considerably. the functionality of the TDF console hasn't changed at all over the last years so I cannot perceive any context between legality of slavery in 18th century and a clickable c-store console in an online game.
To explain further, before Delta Rising everyone had many PvP-ready toons. All the PvPers in Hobos had multiple Fed toons that were 100% PvP ready that they could use if needed. In the final match of the last tourney I even used my Fed Sci captain because our strategy called for it. Now, with the massive grind-fest, most KDF/Hobos don't have PvP-ready Fed toons so this is not an option.
So what you are trying to tell me is that just because you were unable to make a fed toon ready for pvp yet, the TDF console has to be banned as a result for this circumstance?
In addition, all of the good KDF consoles have been released to Fed at this point so now Feds have a distinct advantage in console selection compared to KDF and we KDF-main players no longer have the option to hop onto our Fed since they are not leveled.
You still have around 33 days to level up and equip a fed toon if you want to make use of the TDF in your team. This is still plenty of time.
In the end, I'm not sure why I'm bothering explaining this to you since you refuse to even relay the message to the organizers. I think you misunderstand the purpose and role of an intermediary.
I have already talked to mcgosmo before opening this thread and I have received instructions to present the pre-determined content in the english forums with the purpose to promote for it.
I certainly know the role of an intermediary. He is the contact person to advertize for an event and answer questions about its conditions not to discuss or negotiate about the validity of tournament rules.
So what you are trying to tell me is that just because you were unable to make a fed toon ready for pvp yet, the TDF console has to be banned as a result for this circumstance?
makes some sense eh lol
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You are playing in this tournament? No? Then what do you care about the rules?
If you don't understand that times are different post-Delta Rising then I don't know what else to say. Ship diversity is fine, which the Feds have the advantage in as well, but I don't even care about that. But, but...Feds don't have battlecloak??....yeah, that's a good one.
Ofc I am, I'm getting a team together - don't forget to count me in, I'll give you the other 2 players' handles as soon as the teams confirmed
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I AM NOT one to go back on my word but the current date that is set for the tourny is not good for me. I am afraid I am going to have to pull out unless a significant mod to my schedule arises, apologies.
I AM NOT one to go back on my word but the current date that is set for the tourny is not good for me. I am afraid I am going to have to pull out unless a significant mod to my schedule arises, apologies.
Actually, yes. Giovanni will be in one of CSI teams for sure Btw hanni, add me to CSI 1st team, ill give you the other handles in a few days after christmas holidays
Actually, yes. Giovanni will be in one of CSI teams for sure Btw hanni, add me to CSI 1st team, ill give you the other handles in a few days after christmas holidays
Cool. Glad to see a new face in a tournament. I thought he was just talking to talk like heckgoblin. But still, he can not hide his obvious Fed bias. That's ok though. No less is expected^^ Y'all have your TDF and you're not gonna give it up- that much is obvious at this point.
Actually, yes. Giovanni will be in one of CSI teams for sure Btw hanni, add me to CSI 1st team, ill give you the other handles in a few days after christmas holidays
Actually, yes. Giovanni will be in one of CSI teams for sure Btw hanni, add me to CSI 1st team, ill give you the other handles in a few days after christmas holidays
Glad to see you guys back.
We almost have our team ready as well. Hopefully we can do some friendly 5v5s in the near future.
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And what should the kdf use as a counter if they aren't a sci?
A fed :P:D:D
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No really I wouldn't allow it, KDF snoopers are locked out otherwise.
wait, there are other KDF teams except hobo? lol I thought they had all left or gone fed
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Unfortunately, the rules have already been laid down and consequently I am not permitted to negotiate on possible modifications for the guideline anymore. But I can understand the KDF's p.o.v when it comes to the TDF console. In my opinion, cryptic should have granted klingons access to it by the time feds were enabled access to plasmonic leech and aceton assimilators.
I am afraid that you have to blame cryptic for disadvantaging them with respect to accessible cross-faction items.
On the other hand I assume that the TDF can merely unfold its full potential in conjunction with the sensor scan from a sci captain. Keep in mind that each team can only field 1 science captain at most. I think that neither an engineer nor a tac captain who is supposed to serve as a pure damage-dealer could seriously endanger a cautiously-acting cloaker just by running the detection console without having a full spec into starship sensor probes + embassy consoles etc.
I just can hope that this condition doesn't discourage you from eventually taking part on the event.
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Sure you can't just say, no TDF? Literally that is the deciding factor of whether we'll enter. So.
You blame Cryptic, but the reason rules exist in this tourney (or any tourney) is because Cryptic sucks at PvP balance so we have to balance it ourselves. If the rule of no TDF console does not exist, it is not the fault of Cryptic, but rather of the tourney organizers that failed to implement the rule.
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Hello Skurf & Neepa,.
Hanni has right.. the rules have allready been laid down.
The Comunitiy there accept the Rulez like they are, so sorry NO Modifications anymore.
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You are comprehending correctly, What I as the mediator was doing is to respond to your request of further additons to the rulebook. I have never made my own decisions I merely expressed my personal p.o.v there.
No I can't, the rules are ultimately laid down. McGosmo and his team have arranged it this way.
However, there won't be any changes beforehand in this tourney. That's the difference.
Do you really believe that? Remember I am not the organizer, lol.
As far as I can recall it the TDF console has never been excluded in any previous No Bs tournament (No BS 3 was the only exception since clickable universal consoles were generally disallowed) or other kind of pvp-competitions (STO frontline tournaments, Jupiter force tourney etc.), although KDF teams were involved in these ones aswell. Why should it be banned just now then? Could you clarify that for me?
Are you the person in charge to convey information to the english-speaking players?
Why do you keep on interfering in this thread?
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Are you able to send us mcgosmos in game handle, i think this issue would be better discussed with the person hosting the tournament.
Slavery was not illegal in 1800, so why should we have laws against it now? Just because something was a certain way once upon a time, doesn't mean it should always remain that way.
To explain further, before Delta Rising everyone had many PvP-ready toons. All the PvPers in Hobos had multiple Fed toons that were 100% PvP ready that they could use if needed. In the final match of the last tourney I even used my Fed Sci captain because our strategy called for it. Now, with the massive grind-fest, most KDF/Hobos don't have PvP-ready Fed toons so this is not an option.
In addition, all of the good KDF consoles have been released to Fed at this point so now Feds have a distinct advantage in console selection compared to KDF and we KDF-main players no longer have the option to hop onto our Fed since they are not leveled.
In the end, I'm not sure why I'm bothering explaining this to you since you refuse to even relay the message to the organizers. I think you misunderstand the purpose and role of an intermediary.
@DevolvedOne
And Battle Cloak, because Feds can't have it.
And what about Subnuke? Tacs can't have it, so why should Scis be allowed to use it?
And Alpha? Scis can't have it, so ban it!
That's called faction/career diversity.
You see how wrong what you're saying is, and what it could lead to?
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
If you don't understand that times are different post-Delta Rising then I don't know what else to say. Ship diversity is fine, which the Feds have the advantage in as well, but I don't even care about that. But, but...Feds don't have battlecloak??....yeah, that's a good one.
@DevolvedOne
the people back then had different traditions and customs and the structure of society was differing from the today's one considerably. the functionality of the TDF console hasn't changed at all over the last years so I cannot perceive any context between legality of slavery in 18th century and a clickable c-store console in an online game.
So what you are trying to tell me is that just because you were unable to make a fed toon ready for pvp yet, the TDF console has to be banned as a result for this circumstance?
You still have around 33 days to level up and equip a fed toon if you want to make use of the TDF in your team. This is still plenty of time.
I have already talked to mcgosmo before opening this thread and I have received instructions to present the pre-determined content in the english forums with the purpose to promote for it.
I certainly know the role of an intermediary. He is the contact person to advertize for an event and answer questions about its conditions not to discuss or negotiate about the validity of tournament rules.
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makes some sense eh lol
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
agree,.. i would think the Console is the compensation for Battle Cloak.
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don't worry about it, nevertheless thanks for showing interest and attempting to join there. Maybe you are able to join the next event
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Cool. Glad to see a new face in a tournament. I thought he was just talking to talk like heckgoblin. But still, he can not hide his obvious Fed bias. That's ok though. No less is expected^^ Y'all have your TDF and you're not gonna give it up- that much is obvious at this point.
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Glad to see you guys back.
We almost have our team ready as well. Hopefully we can do some friendly 5v5s in the near future.
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nice! I'm going to add you to the list
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