Nobody, however, has been *that* bold and offered to throw his money to skip playing the game entirely. That's a new one
I'm not a WOW player , but wasn't there a point where you could purchase a fully leveled / nearly fully leveled toon with high quality gear at some point ?
That's all talk. And they gain and lose players everyday.
Actually , going beyond closing your wallet and not playing out of protest takes a great amount of will power ... -- especially at a time when Cryptic is throwing everything they have at you to desperately entice you to play (an unscheduled "even"t with a new award less then a month after their big "expansion" debuts , free lobi during a dil weekend) .
Simply adding the option to pay can't take anything away from anyone. It just creates a new revenue stream, if only a small one.
That's funny , because once they began selling veterancy , quite a few actual veterans felt robbed of the acknowledgement that showed their years long support of the game -- something that actually means "veterancy" in games .
... hey , I've been playing for 2 weeks ... , look at my veteran title ...
With all of the back and forth with nerfing the exp/specialization stuff in the game, I propose to better serve the community of players who honestly dont want the headache, to introduce an option to spend dil to obtain exp/skill/specialization.
Not everyone has the many hours a day necessary to grind for these, and other people prefer grinding dil to grinding the specialisation stuff.
This would not take away specialization points of exp from anyone, or indeed even cheapen the accomplishment of grinding to get it. On the contrary, it would add value to that grind, a specific dil-value.
If nothing else, it could be a catch-up mechanic for people who weren't around to get all their specialization from Tau Dewa.
Why not sell a free token to level 60 with a fully loaded MK XIV epic geared ship then?
queues have been ruined, they dont give enough to justify the time doing them.
doffing has also been severely, severely nerfed as a source of exp. it gives something less than 1/3 what it used to? maybe 1/10th? if any at all?
if you're level 59 then you have filled in 9 points of specialization out of the 45? you need
Once again, allowing other people to pay dil for specialization points doesn't affect you in any way. Just because you don't want to do it doesn't mean other people should not be able to, wouldn't you agree?
so you think paying them as a reward for cutting back on the exp is the answer, why not have it so you get no exp marks at all from actually playing the content and only progress if you are willing to pay for the privilege if that is the case.
if that's not begging for a pay to win system I don't know what is.
I have been getting a very good proportion of my exp from just doing 20 doff missions every day, and I also did very well for exp out of stf`s that I played over a weekend because I needed the borg neural processor and marks to get the maco set for 2 of my characters.
and counter to your argument that it does not effect me of course it does it effects everyone who cant or wont pay and is at a disadvantage to these that can and do.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Absolutely not. The precedent that would set, just outright buying levels? You think the power creep and P2W are bad now..... What they need is to fix the leveling rate back to what it was before DR, not more monetization idiocy.
I wonder if returning in a month this game will be in flames and justa few like, pillars sticking up staying, we are rebuilding for...
queues have been ruined, they dont give enough to justify the time doing them.
doffing has also been severely, severely nerfed as a source of exp. it gives something less than 1/3 what it used to? maybe 1/10th? if any at all?
if you're level 59 then you have filled in 9 points of specialization out of the 45? you need
Once again, allowing other people to pay dil for specialization points doesn't affect you in any way. Just because you don't want to do it doesn't mean other people should not be able to, wouldn't you agree?
It does affect everyone else, it's the thin end of a wedge, once Cryptic sees the whales willing to spend on that kind of TRIBBLE it gets totally out of control, they change the rules once again to force people to spend money to level, and so on. Making posts like this is irresponsible to the rest of the community that plays this game.
Even if they keep some of the whales, the rest of the community bailing because everything is only purchaseable in cash is the surest way of killing off the game entirely.
The reason we're in the position we're in is because of posts exactly like this, people willing to pay obscene amounts of money to make the game a bit easier. Idiocy is what it is.
With all of the back and forth with nerfing the exp/specialization stuff in the game, I propose to better serve the community of players who honestly dont want the headache, to introduce an option to spend dil to obtain exp/skill/specialization.
Not everyone has the many hours a day necessary to grind for these, and other people prefer grinding dil to grinding the specialisation stuff.
This would not take away specialization points of exp from anyone, or indeed even cheapen the accomplishment of grinding to get it. On the contrary, it would add value to that grind, a specific dil-value.
If nothing else, it could be a catch-up mechanic for people who weren't around to get all their specialization from Tau Dewa.
Better option: convert EXP to Cpt XP.
Many players have millions of expertise that is completely useless in those amounts.
There should be a direct conversion rate of 10:1 or so or better conversion rat + dil cost.
Better option: convert EXP to Cpt XP.
Many players have millions of expertise that is completely useless in those amounts.
There should be a direct conversion rate of 10:1 or so or better conversion rat + dil cost.
I would agree with that to a fashion, as I said in an earlier posting, the way things are favours new players in a way, at soon as they hit level 50 they will start earning towards their captain specialisations and progressing up to level 60.
my characters have been stuck at level 50 for ages as have most players and did we get a head start on this, not on your nelly.
i don't know about the better conversion rate + dil cost but certainly there should have been a certain amount of progress based on how much EXP we have to have at least given us a head start over newer players.
I was quite shocked to see I was not 90% up from lv50 to lv60 at least when DR launched.
even if they had started characters older then say 1 year at lv55 it would have been something.
I guess its just one of those times it doesn't always pay to be a seasoned player.
at the end of the day I just go with the flow, I do much the same stuff I have always done and if I progress a little or a lot that's fine.
I will get there eventually and when I look back I will doubtless say I had fun doing it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I still support this as long as it's Zen and Dil purchaseable. This wouldn't be any different from buying Dilithium to speed up R&D or upgrades. Of course, some restrictions would be nice to prevent straight abuse. Example restrictions: Must be at least level 60 on one character, and any character besides that one has to be level 50 minimum if one wants to buy skill points for them. An additional restriction could be something such as it's limited to buying 25 Skill points (5 max per character) per week.
It doesn't cut into Cryptic's bottom line, since they did away with the Dilithium rewards for leveling up after getting all 60 Spec points. It's also more likely to make money than selling worthless XP boosters (I'd rather pay for things like hour long to 24 hour long 2x XP boosts that only count down for as long as I'm logged in on a character that most all other MMOs have).
It also ensures that players still has to work a little to be able to buy it; just like working up to a rank where you can finally buy and command your favorite starship from the Zen store, and then working up alts to that same level to use that ship or any other ships of that Tier as well.
I proposed 1 million dil to fill up the specializations. That's about 60$ in money, the cost of two ships.
And since its not money per se you have to spend, its not just "whales" who would take advantage.
Not everyone who plays the game is allergic to spending money in it, and not everyone who plays the game has the time to spend grinding 1000s of hours to get specialization points.
I wish it were a slippery slope fallacy, (I did take Logic in college by the way) the problem is that we've been through similar stuff like this over the years. The first time was when they introduced the C-Store loudly proclaiming that "nothing game altering would ever be sold in it". Shortly thereafter they started selling ships. Second time (I think) was with the Dreadnought, "It will never be sold in the C-Store, it's a recruiting reward ONLY".
There were others but the fact is that Cryptic cannot be trusted to keep their promises, they can, and will, jack up the prices. Cryptic can, and will, change the deal after the fact. Cryptic simply cannot keep a social contract to save their collective butt.
Keep thinking that way, on December Second, I'll only be doffing and checking to see what else they've done to the game whilst playing The Crew.
Don't they already sell Skill Point boosters in the C-Store? And offer a Skill Point bonus as a Vet Reward? I think STO has serious problems when people are begging for more ways of buying progression in the game rather than wanting to play the game to earn that progression.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Supposely they've nerfed the skill boosts, not sure what they've done to them but I don't buy that kind of stuff anyway. My stipend goes mostly towards TRIBBLE now.
Don't they already sell Skill Point boosters in the C-Store? And offer a Skill Point bonus as a Vet Reward? I think STO has serious problems when people are begging for more ways of buying progression in the game rather than wanting to play the game to earn that progression.
Bizarrely enough, Cryptic wants it both ways: they've time-gated everything, in the fervent hope you'll buy your way thru your progress. And, God forbid if you actually *do* want to progress rapidly! Then they immediately bring out the nerf-hammer. Sigh. Would be nice if they actually made up their mind about this.
My heart sank when I saw this thread. This is probably something Cryptic was considering anyway, and now they can do it while issuing a self-congratulatory message that they're engaging with the player base.
When we say something Cryptic doesn't want to hear on the forums the devs call us an ungrateful minority. When we play right into their hands with threads like this, we are the valuable players that the game cannot survive without.
What next? Pay 500 Zen for the privilege of doing new story content or elite STFs?
Normally, Druk, I would mock this post until the joke wore thinner than Lindsay Lohan's excuses for getting drunk... but I suspect that Cryptic is already planning something similar to what you're suggesting so I might just have a little cry instead.
My heart sank when I saw this thread. This is probably something Cryptic was considering anyway, and now they can do it while issuing a self-congratulatory message that they're engaging with the player base.
When we say something Cryptic doesn't want to hear on the forums the devs call us an ungrateful minority. When we play right into their hands with threads like this, we are the valuable players that the game cannot survive without.
What next? Pay 500 Zen for the privilege of doing new story content or elite STFs?
Thankfully SWTOR comes out with a new expansion of their own in 2 weeks, an Revan is a hell of a lot more interesting than system patrols.
Im already there. I deleted STO thursday and downloaded SWTOR instead. I saw the SoR ads and realized Cryptic has fantastic timing. So thanks, Geko. I would have missed it otherwise. I'll give EA some money for a while now. I shudder at the thought, but it doesn't feel nearly as filthy as giving it to PWE.
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I'm not a WOW player , but wasn't there a point where you could purchase a fully leveled / nearly fully leveled toon with high quality gear at some point ?
Isn't what he's asking for kinda mirroring that ?
Actually , going beyond closing your wallet and not playing out of protest takes a great amount of will power ... -- especially at a time when Cryptic is throwing everything they have at you to desperately entice you to play (an unscheduled "even"t with a new award less then a month after their big "expansion" debuts , free lobi during a dil weekend) .
That's funny , because once they began selling veterancy , quite a few actual veterans felt robbed of the acknowledgement that showed their years long support of the game -- something that actually means "veterancy" in games .
... hey , I've been playing for 2 weeks ... , look at my veteran title ...
Why not sell a free token to level 60 with a fully loaded MK XIV epic geared ship then?
so you think paying them as a reward for cutting back on the exp is the answer, why not have it so you get no exp marks at all from actually playing the content and only progress if you are willing to pay for the privilege if that is the case.
if that's not begging for a pay to win system I don't know what is.
I have been getting a very good proportion of my exp from just doing 20 doff missions every day, and I also did very well for exp out of stf`s that I played over a weekend because I needed the borg neural processor and marks to get the maco set for 2 of my characters.
and counter to your argument that it does not effect me of course it does it effects everyone who cant or wont pay and is at a disadvantage to these that can and do.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I wonder if returning in a month this game will be in flames and justa few like, pillars sticking up staying, we are rebuilding for...
"The Best Expansion Ever!!!!!@1!1111"
lol
It does affect everyone else, it's the thin end of a wedge, once Cryptic sees the whales willing to spend on that kind of TRIBBLE it gets totally out of control, they change the rules once again to force people to spend money to level, and so on. Making posts like this is irresponsible to the rest of the community that plays this game.
Even if they keep some of the whales, the rest of the community bailing because everything is only purchaseable in cash is the surest way of killing off the game entirely.
The reason we're in the position we're in is because of posts exactly like this, people willing to pay obscene amounts of money to make the game a bit easier. Idiocy is what it is.
Many players have millions of expertise that is completely useless in those amounts.
There should be a direct conversion rate of 10:1 or so or better conversion rat + dil cost.
That would be an acceptable method yeah, just leave dilithium and (by extension) zen out of the equation and it would be workable I expect.
Now, that is a good idea right there.
I would agree with that to a fashion, as I said in an earlier posting, the way things are favours new players in a way, at soon as they hit level 50 they will start earning towards their captain specialisations and progressing up to level 60.
my characters have been stuck at level 50 for ages as have most players and did we get a head start on this, not on your nelly.
i don't know about the better conversion rate + dil cost but certainly there should have been a certain amount of progress based on how much EXP we have to have at least given us a head start over newer players.
I was quite shocked to see I was not 90% up from lv50 to lv60 at least when DR launched.
even if they had started characters older then say 1 year at lv55 it would have been something.
I guess its just one of those times it doesn't always pay to be a seasoned player.
at the end of the day I just go with the flow, I do much the same stuff I have always done and if I progress a little or a lot that's fine.
I will get there eventually and when I look back I will doubtless say I had fun doing it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It doesn't cut into Cryptic's bottom line, since they did away with the Dilithium rewards for leveling up after getting all 60 Spec points. It's also more likely to make money than selling worthless XP boosters (I'd rather pay for things like hour long to 24 hour long 2x XP boosts that only count down for as long as I'm logged in on a character that most all other MMOs have).
It also ensures that players still has to work a little to be able to buy it; just like working up to a rank where you can finally buy and command your favorite starship from the Zen store, and then working up alts to that same level to use that ship or any other ships of that Tier as well.
I wish it were a slippery slope fallacy, (I did take Logic in college by the way) the problem is that we've been through similar stuff like this over the years. The first time was when they introduced the C-Store loudly proclaiming that "nothing game altering would ever be sold in it". Shortly thereafter they started selling ships. Second time (I think) was with the Dreadnought, "It will never be sold in the C-Store, it's a recruiting reward ONLY".
There were others but the fact is that Cryptic cannot be trusted to keep their promises, they can, and will, jack up the prices. Cryptic can, and will, change the deal after the fact. Cryptic simply cannot keep a social contract to save their collective butt.
Keep thinking that way, on December Second, I'll only be doffing and checking to see what else they've done to the game whilst playing The Crew.
Bizarrely enough, Cryptic wants it both ways: they've time-gated everything, in the fervent hope you'll buy your way thru your progress. And, God forbid if you actually *do* want to progress rapidly! Then they immediately bring out the nerf-hammer. Sigh. Would be nice if they actually made up their mind about this.
When we say something Cryptic doesn't want to hear on the forums the devs call us an ungrateful minority. When we play right into their hands with threads like this, we are the valuable players that the game cannot survive without.
What next? Pay 500 Zen for the privilege of doing new story content or elite STFs?
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Im already there. I deleted STO thursday and downloaded SWTOR instead. I saw the SoR ads and realized Cryptic has fantastic timing. So thanks, Geko. I would have missed it otherwise. I'll give EA some money for a while now. I shudder at the thought, but it doesn't feel nearly as filthy as giving it to PWE.