While this sounds great, it took them over four years to implement a new type of boff skillset. Do you think there will be others?
After the wallet-ravaging expansion that is DR, do I think they'll want to re-sell same Boff layouts over and over again just with a different type of hybrid for maximizing profits? Why yes, yes I do.
Agreed that the Galaxy has no place for a T6. But I don't feel it ever should. Unless they plan on continuing the TNG iconian story, maybe with LaForge as captain of a new Galaxy class like in Voyager, I don't think ships liem the galaxy or the defiant should ever have a T6 version.
After the wallet-ravaging expansion that is DR, do I think they'll want to re-sell same Boff layouts over and over again just with a different type of hybrid for maximizing profits? Why yes, yes I do.
When you put it like this...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Which would make a T6 Challenger-class (it would be a type, but Cryptic doesn't get that right) Exploration Cruiser a no-brainer.
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Which would make a T6 Challenger-class (it would be a type, but Cryptic doesn't get that right) Exploration Cruiser a no-brainer.
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Does that mean we might get the Galaxy with nacelle strips?
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Does that mean we might get the Galaxy with nacelle strips?
That would make sense. A refurbished Galaxy model with those additional parts would make a nice addition to a T6 Challenger. They probably also would make a new original skin for it, though I'd hope they just pump up the Venture-type skin a bit, then it would all make perfect sense. Same with the Defiant/Sao Paolo.
Further, the redesign could be applied to the Nebula which still lacks a refit. It *would* make sense.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
To me, making a tier 6 Intrepid was a BAD idea. It just opened the flood gates for all those demanding their beloved ship move to tier 6.
Sorry canon ships while being hero's had their day. Time for new ships to take the wheel and become heros.
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I'd be game for a T6 Galaxy, a wider variety of ships is always welcome and it would be an excuse to give us an authentic TNG interior, we have TOS, Defiant and soon Voyager it's the only one missing. Now time to wake up because that won't happen. Don't hold your breath either.
Personally, I hope that they don't 'revamp' anymore T5 ships. I just don't feel it's a good path for them to take, it makes players angry.
For example, I love my Scimitar. Yes, it's powerful.. but I enjoy it because I love the ship. I went nuts over it the first time I saw it in Nemesis and I love the way it looks. I made a Romulan just to fly that ship. I didn't buy the pack, I bought the Scimitar model only.
I paid $25 for that ship and consider it money well spent. I LOVE the ship.
But if they released a new 'better' Scimitar for $30 I have to admit that would hit me the wrong way. They would do what? add 1 boff ability and the ability to use Intel Doffs and want another $30 from me? I think stuff like this causes ill will among people that have paid for previous versions of their ships.
I Agree with the above.
If we are to get T6 versions of our existing ships IMO a better route to have taken would have been to offer T6 upgrade tokens that will only upgrade T5U vessels to T6.
Cryptic could slap a price tag of about 1000 - 1200 Zen for the T6 upgrade token and the players that want the new hotness can still get it if they chose without being taken to the cleaners for something that they already own
Creating new versions of existing ships and trying to get 3000 Zen for them will only come back to bite Cryptic in what's left of its backside when they already have a viable upgrade token system in place.
Having to buy the same ship twice and paying top dollar each time, NOT COOL :mad:
First you buy the T6 Intrepid and hate it, then you buy the T6 Galaxy and hate it, thats how it works. You don't be happy until you spend at least $300 in ships.
Sorry canon ships while being hero's had their day. Time for new ships to take the wheel and become heros.
Yeah, well that ship is about to sail tomorrow. Unless you can do something to stop the launch of the T6 Intrepid tomorrow, the argument you're making about new ships taking the main role holds no water.
Yeah, well that ship is about to sail tomorrow. Unless you can do something to stop the launch of the T6 Intrepid tomorrow, the argument you're making about new ships taking the main role holds no water.
Yup, exactly. The devs essentially did a full 360 on this issue. We thought T5U's were the end of the line for these older ships but the intrepid's release completely invalidated that theory.
Yup, exactly. The devs essentially did a full 360 on this issue. We thought T5U's were the end of the line for these older ships but the intrepid's release completely invalidated that theory.
They never had the balls to set the game to a specific era to begin with. Instead they want the fans and their money, so they better provide the ships. I'm not interested in their original designs, at all - only exception are the Type-6 refit skins which are actually not bad and are a good addition to the originals.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Not to mention those are all iconic hero ships from Star Trek... and this is (supposedly) a Star Trek game and people want to Captain their favorite ship(s)....
Exactly! This is a Star Trek game and the players are, predominately, Star Trek fans. To remove the iconic ships and make them obsolete is neanderthal in its conception. If their goal is to make money, and I'm fairly certain that's their goal, then they would be shooting themselves in the bank account by making all the iconic designs unusable at the highest level of play.
They can go ahead and give a T6 Galaxy, if Cryptic ever goes back to some TNG-related story to make it a star the way the Intrepid is of DR, but it will still be inferior to a T6 Odyssey the way the current Galaxy is inferior to the Odyssey now (moreso since the Odyssey class currently hosts the latest Enterprise and is grounds enough for a T6).
Same applies to the Galaxy X, if Cryptic does follow through on the requests and the statements they made during the Guardian livestream over the possibility of a Guardian X variant to supercede the old Galaxy X. Which I personally hope they do.
what about sovereign. wasnt that the best ship in federation before sto? so that should be first or at least second t6, besides those ships we already have.
what about sovereign. wasnt that the best ship in federation before sto? so that should be first or at least second t6, besides those ships we already have.
They can't even get the Sovereign's bridge right so don't get your hopes up.
Also the KDF and RR should get a new T6 ship next before yet another Fed ship, they are both sorely lacking in ships, both T5-U and T6
Here's why I think a T6 Galaxy and Defiant, and Sovereign are a sure thing:
We have special interiors for the Constitution, Defiant and Intrepid. We don't have them for the Galaxy or Sovereign and players certainly want them enough to pay for them. Cryptic would be stupid not to make interiors for them and milk that cash cow. Geko, the greatest, most magnificent, fair, attentive, compassionate and humble lead designer who ever lived once said himself in an interview "after the expansion, nobody's going to be complaining that the Galaxy sucks". He's the driving force behind selling new ships to make money. If they make a T6 Galaxy with its own interior, wallets will open and they know it.
Two things I neglected to address in my initial posts in this thread(was too focused on the ships that didn't get any love yet beyond their free in-game versions):
-The existing, limited to T4 starship class skins, the Celestial-class and the Envoy-class. If the Exploration Cruiser finally gets an update outside of just a set bonus, that would be a perfect time to revamp those skins.
-What about the Dreadnought Cruiser, aka Galaxy-X? That was to be the Galaxy's next step. So far, it has been treated as a different ship alongside the Galaxy. If the Exploration Cruiser gets to be more technologically advanced than the Dreadnought Cruiser, the latter will start looking... pointless. IMO, of course.
The existing, limited to T4 starship class skins, the Celestial-class and the Envoy-class. If the Exploration Cruiser finally gets an update outside of just a set bonus, that would be a perfect time to revamp those skins.
-What about the Dreadnought Cruiser, aka Galaxy-X? That was to be the Galaxy's next step.
Next step? Says who? It's just an adaptation of the Galaxy frame, not an evolutionary step. There's no reason the technology of the stock Galaxy class can't be updated to T6 along with the Dreadnought Cruiser.
So far, it has been treated as a different ship alongside the Galaxy.
It has a different role to the Galaxy, so it might as well be treated as a different class of ship. The Galaxy was designed to be a long range ship that could fill the duties of exploration, diplomacy, scientific study and defense. The Galaxy was not designed to carry a bunch of junk, including:
- A single big phaser gun that can't fire frequently enough to be useful outside of prolonged siege combat and is barely accurate enough to reliably hit large immobile targets.
- A hangar bay and facilities for repair, refueling and pilots for a single wing of snub fighters that get mowed down by starship weapons in combat arenas where the best carriers deploy two wings of sturdy fast attack ships.
- A third nacelle that makes the ship turn like it has a light cruiser bolted to its back.
- Various weapon hardpoints for dual heavy cannons that it can't even utilize well because of incredibly slow maneuvering and inadequate tactical control systems.
All these features were strapped on after the fact and they aren't useful enough to significantly affect the outcome of a battle. With equally skilled and experienced captains, a well-designed combat cruiser like the Sovereign or Avenger will completely wax the Dreadnought Cruiser in any engagement.
If the Exploration Cruiser gets to be more technologically advanced than the Dreadnought Cruiser, the latter will start looking... pointless. IMO, of course.
The Dreadnought Cruiser is already pointless. It tries to do everything, and so it's not good at anything. It's a kludge.
Two things I neglected to address in my initial posts in this thread(was too focused on the ships that didn't get any love yet beyond their free in-game versions):
-The existing, limited to T4 starship class skins, the Celestial-class and the Envoy-class. If the Exploration Cruiser finally gets an update outside of just a set bonus, that would be a perfect time to revamp those skins.
-What about the Dreadnought Cruiser, aka Galaxy-X? That was to be the Galaxy's next step. So far, it has been treated as a different ship alongside the Galaxy. If the Exploration Cruiser gets to be more technologically advanced than the Dreadnought Cruiser, the latter will start looking... pointless. IMO, of course.
Gal-X is already pointless. Say hi to the phantom that can do everything it can do minus the hanger, but trades much better turn rate for it, AND has a way better phase lance, Boff seating, the whole 9 yards.
Sorry Gal-X is already pointless.
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Not attacking you or anything, but I'm genuinely curious - how do you guys say things like these while keeping a straignt face in a game like STO?
When you put it like this...
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Which would make a T6 Challenger-class (it would be a type, but Cryptic doesn't get that right) Exploration Cruiser a no-brainer.
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Does that mean we might get the Galaxy with nacelle strips?
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That would make sense. A refurbished Galaxy model with those additional parts would make a nice addition to a T6 Challenger. They probably also would make a new original skin for it, though I'd hope they just pump up the Venture-type skin a bit, then it would all make perfect sense. Same with the Defiant/Sao Paolo.
Further, the redesign could be applied to the Nebula which still lacks a refit. It *would* make sense.
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Sorry canon ships while being hero's had their day. Time for new ships to take the wheel and become heros.
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I Agree with the above.
If we are to get T6 versions of our existing ships IMO a better route to have taken would have been to offer T6 upgrade tokens that will only upgrade T5U vessels to T6.
Cryptic could slap a price tag of about 1000 - 1200 Zen for the T6 upgrade token and the players that want the new hotness can still get it if they chose without being taken to the cleaners for something that they already own
Creating new versions of existing ships and trying to get 3000 Zen for them will only come back to bite Cryptic in what's left of its backside when they already have a viable upgrade token system in place.
Having to buy the same ship twice and paying top dollar each time, NOT COOL :mad:
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Yeah, well that ship is about to sail tomorrow. Unless you can do something to stop the launch of the T6 Intrepid tomorrow, the argument you're making about new ships taking the main role holds no water.
Yup, exactly. The devs essentially did a full 360 on this issue. We thought T5U's were the end of the line for these older ships but the intrepid's release completely invalidated that theory.
They never had the balls to set the game to a specific era to begin with. Instead they want the fans and their money, so they better provide the ships. I'm not interested in their original designs, at all - only exception are the Type-6 refit skins which are actually not bad and are a good addition to the originals.
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Exactly! This is a Star Trek game and the players are, predominately, Star Trek fans. To remove the iconic ships and make them obsolete is neanderthal in its conception. If their goal is to make money, and I'm fairly certain that's their goal, then they would be shooting themselves in the bank account by making all the iconic designs unusable at the highest level of play.
Well said, Valoreah.
I mean whats the point of getting a T5U ship then?
Agreed. Right now, I don't think either of those ships should or will be a priority. One just got an update as well (admittedly, a poor one).
Same applies to the Galaxy X, if Cryptic does follow through on the requests and the statements they made during the Guardian livestream over the possibility of a Guardian X variant to supercede the old Galaxy X. Which I personally hope they do.
The Pathfinder is an excellent design (a really excellent design), and a Galaxy equivalent would be great.
Failing that, if the Guardian was able to use the Galaxy variant costume pieces, that would make me a happy fish too.
They can't even get the Sovereign's bridge right so don't get your hopes up.
Also the KDF and RR should get a new T6 ship next before yet another Fed ship, they are both sorely lacking in ships, both T5-U and T6
Oh well too late for that now, you can't start my remaking the crappiest Trek series ship, and not remake the better Trek series Ships.
We have special interiors for the Constitution, Defiant and Intrepid. We don't have them for the Galaxy or Sovereign and players certainly want them enough to pay for them. Cryptic would be stupid not to make interiors for them and milk that cash cow. Geko, the greatest, most magnificent, fair, attentive, compassionate and humble lead designer who ever lived once said himself in an interview "after the expansion, nobody's going to be complaining that the Galaxy sucks". He's the driving force behind selling new ships to make money. If they make a T6 Galaxy with its own interior, wallets will open and they know it.
-The existing, limited to T4 starship class skins, the Celestial-class and the Envoy-class. If the Exploration Cruiser finally gets an update outside of just a set bonus, that would be a perfect time to revamp those skins.
-What about the Dreadnought Cruiser, aka Galaxy-X? That was to be the Galaxy's next step. So far, it has been treated as a different ship alongside the Galaxy. If the Exploration Cruiser gets to be more technologically advanced than the Dreadnought Cruiser, the latter will start looking... pointless. IMO, of course.
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Agreed.
Next step? Says who? It's just an adaptation of the Galaxy frame, not an evolutionary step. There's no reason the technology of the stock Galaxy class can't be updated to T6 along with the Dreadnought Cruiser.
It has a different role to the Galaxy, so it might as well be treated as a different class of ship. The Galaxy was designed to be a long range ship that could fill the duties of exploration, diplomacy, scientific study and defense. The Galaxy was not designed to carry a bunch of junk, including:
- A single big phaser gun that can't fire frequently enough to be useful outside of prolonged siege combat and is barely accurate enough to reliably hit large immobile targets.
- A hangar bay and facilities for repair, refueling and pilots for a single wing of snub fighters that get mowed down by starship weapons in combat arenas where the best carriers deploy two wings of sturdy fast attack ships.
- A third nacelle that makes the ship turn like it has a light cruiser bolted to its back.
- Various weapon hardpoints for dual heavy cannons that it can't even utilize well because of incredibly slow maneuvering and inadequate tactical control systems.
All these features were strapped on after the fact and they aren't useful enough to significantly affect the outcome of a battle. With equally skilled and experienced captains, a well-designed combat cruiser like the Sovereign or Avenger will completely wax the Dreadnought Cruiser in any engagement.
The Dreadnought Cruiser is already pointless. It tries to do everything, and so it's not good at anything. It's a kludge.
Gal-X is already pointless. Say hi to the phantom that can do everything it can do minus the hanger, but trades much better turn rate for it, AND has a way better phase lance, Boff seating, the whole 9 yards.
Sorry Gal-X is already pointless.
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