I won't name the forums where I have had this experience, but I have seen what toxic mods are like. Those two aren't it. And I am not kissing up there--that's just an honest comparison.
Stop...you're giving me flashbacks to this one RP forum I was on...
There was this one really pretentious jerk, called himself Militant Xer0. His character's level sign was literally infinity because he sucked up to the mods, and they didn't give one single **** about balance or fair play...
Finally two guys exploited the game mechanics, teamed up with a powerful character who was sick of Xer0's antics, and annoyed Xer0 to the point that he whined to the mods and got the ENTIRE RP deleted.
Excuse me I have a quick question how does one apply for the position of a moderator? And what are the various qualifications and other details associated with it?
From what I understand:
1. (Potential) Moderators need to have an exhibited history of general forum politeness, knowledge, and willingness to help the community. Also, many moderators have demonstrated understanding of what to moderate via frequent and appropriate "reports" / tickets since there's no report button.
2. When applying for the job, consider that there will be an "extended pre-hire probation" to ensure that you're keeping up with, if not stepping up, your "game" from point 1.
One thing to keep in mind though, is that all too often people think that the moderator position "has a line" to the Devs and the moderator might find themselves with frequent requests to "give a scoop", "take player's wish X to the devs and get it implemented", or have a speculative / opinion post mistaken for an official statement - despite the disclaimer every mod has in their sig.
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Once again, Smirk gives us a demonstration of How to Talk a Lot Without Actually Saying Anything.
I'm reassured that Ten Forward's not going away, but I still would very much like some more concrete information about what is happening.
Well said.
While apparently the 'Ten Forward' section as a whole isn't going away, it would seem from the overall tone of Smirk's post that some threads will be erased.
I don't like that all too much as I find myself looking for a year or two old threads every once in a while.
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While apparently the 'Ten Forward' section as a whole isn't going away, it would seem from the overall tone of Smirk's post that some threads will be erased.
I don't like that all too much as I find myself looking for a year or two old threads every once in a while.
Smirk, is there any confirmation on whether any threads will be deleted, and if so, which ones? Also, do you have an ETA on the changes?
deleting any threads outside of nike/viagra/rolex spam is a community faux pas.
...so i am obviously expecting lots of deletions. probably all the older anonymised threads :rolleyes:
I just wish the Devs would put the forums first. I don't do Twitter. Or Facebook. Or any of that other "social media" foolishness. Where announcements about STO appear to have a lifespan of about five seconds before they disappear forever.
I suppose one of the changes coming to the Forums will be a new and improved version of the Thought Police. After the whole place burst into flames over DR, I would imagine we'll all be getting warnings over speaking our minds where others can see.
Smart move on Smirk's part to not mention this. But as Community Heat Shield...errr Manager, I would imagine also he is just like the rest of if us mushrooms most days.
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Is there a specific date we can expect these changes to hit? As another mentioned, I don't Twitter or social network either so the forum is my only source for game news.
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Deleting thread's is a bad idea can't you archive them as some thread's will have useful info. I have Facebook but the people in your group there were annoying rude and judgemental and due to people spamming on there I deleted myself I have twitter but lie Facebook I don't have the time to use it so these forums have the info I need.
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Anyone who wants to make backups now of any stories or lists or posts that they are concerned might get deleted, I would not say that backing up important data is a bad idea. If it is important to you, grab it and copy it and love it and squeeze it until it can't run away from you ever again. Otherwise known as the Elmira Method. This will make sure you don't loose anything just in case.
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Good luck getting all those posts saved everyone!
Why delete anything? Why not just create subforums with the old content? If you want to lock down those subforums so that no one can post in them, that's fine. We just want to access our old data and to know who said what when. One problem with the 2012 forum revamp was that all the old posts became attributed to "Archived Post", so it is impossible to tell who the poster was.
After that, we will begin coordinating threads in a more streamlined fashion similar to the recent changes that have been implemented in GNN and our Bug sections. Like devoted threads to a new event so players can go there specifically to relay info to us about nerfs, borked stuff and bugs.
Cryptic doesn't always do the best job with feedback threads. For example:
1. Every feedback thread about the doff UI revamp was started by players, because Cryptic never started one of their own.
2. The "Official Ship Upgrade Feedback Thread" was moved from the Tribble forums to the Redshirt forums for some reason.
It is not a loadout-only issue. Not everyone who has a problem with the trays or unslotting equipment realizes that they should post there.
If you would tell us what you were trying to accomplish, we could give you suggestions. Brandon started this thread prior to a previous forum reorganization:
Meh, flush it all. The game is so different it no longer needs those old posts explaining how systems work, or how best to game the game. The forums will likely be abandoned soon anyway.
I just posted a forum glitch because I had no idea where to place it. I click on the news section of the sto sign on page. I always get an ad or two covering up the story. It is great you guys also host other games and advertise, but can you add an x so we can read the content you worked hard to provide?
Meh, flush it all. The game is so different it no longer needs those old posts explaining how systems work, or how best to game the game. The forums will likely be abandoned soon anyway.
nuke it.
Actually it is not a bad idea..... Dump it all..... Start over with the new and improved STO! :rolleyes:
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Actually it is not a bad idea..... Dump it all..... Start over with the new and improved STO! :rolleyes:
Excuse me, but can I point out that they just did nuke the forums in mid-2012?
We all had to re-register and start our post count from zero again, which is why some motormouth postcount farmers have thousands of posts, and some of us who used to be quite active have never really participated much since then.
Excuse me, but can I point out that they just did nuke the forums in mid-2012?
We all had to re-register and start our post count from zero again, which is why some motormouth postcount farmers have thousands of posts, and some of us who used to be quite active have never really participated much since then.
I look at that as way to gracefully exit without fanfare. Someone in the future would ask 'do you remember so-and-so' and the reply would be 'no, he's never posted'
How about this for a forum change: READ THE PLAYERS' POSTS! Since the game mechanics get progressively worse, and the buglist continues to get longer, this has obviously NOT been happening!
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How about this for a forum change: READ THE PLAYERS' POSTS! Since the game mechanics get progressively worse, and the buglist continues to get longer, this has obviously NOT been happening!
Hahahahaha! Oh, wait, you're not joking? Awkward...
In all seriousness though, it would be a nice change. But I wont hold my breath. The only time 'feedback' is even acknowledged is usually when the forums erupt into a cesspool of hate.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
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Definitely a point I will be addressing as my Delta Rising review series continues... :-/
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Just wondering if the recent closed maintenance threads have been a part of these "streamlining" measures? Why are these now closed to comment? I notice that the tribble maint/patch notes are open to comment.
It's understandable that the patch notes themselves are closed, but come on guys surely we should be able to give feedback on the incoming patches. Plus it's a way of keeping track of how the maintenance is progressing, it's one of the channels of communication that has been open all this time and now you close the door without a word as to why this change is made.
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Just wondering if the recent closed maintenance threads have been a part of these "streamlining" measures? Why are these now closed to comment? I notice that the tribble maint/patch notes are open to comment.
It's understandable that the patch notes themselves are closed, but come on guys surely we should be able to give feedback on the incoming patches. Plus it's a way of keeping track of how the maintenance is progressing, it's one of the channels of communication that has been open all this time and now you close the door without a word as to why this change is made.
Yeah, I sent Smirk a PM about this the other day but haven't heard anything back. I really don't understand why they've decided to start closing those threads off.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
Excuse me, but can I point out that they just did nuke the forums in mid-2012?
We all had to re-register and start our post count from zero again, which is why some motormouth postcount farmers have thousands of posts, and some of us who used to be quite active have never really participated much since then.
Preaching to the choir brother man. I had several thousand posts in the pre F2P forums and like you I have not post nearly a fraction of what I did before. Yet I dont feel some need to bump the count as if it has any meaning for anything at all. Maybe I'm odd that way.....
Just wondering if the recent closed maintenance threads have been a part of these "streamlining" measures? Why are these now closed to comment? I notice that the tribble maint/patch notes are open to comment.
It's understandable that the patch notes themselves are closed, but come on guys surely we should be able to give feedback on the incoming patches. Plus it's a way of keeping track of how the maintenance is progressing, it's one of the channels of communication that has been open all this time and now you close the door without a word as to why this change is made.
Honestly it makes sense. You can always post a thread in GD during downtimes, and this keeps that one post available in case they need to extend maintenance as half the time their posts get buried in the dozens of posts made. Though this also could be just a test run to see how it plays out to the community.
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Honestly it makes sense. You can always post a thread in GD during downtimes, and this keeps that one post available in case they need to extend maintenance as half the time their posts get buried in the dozens of posts made. Though this also could be just a test run to see how it plays out to the community.
I can see where your coming from there. Though, it would be nice if they were to open another thread about the patch, and sticky it so that players have a place to post questions, information, etc. This will let them still have the post that just states the patch notes, and one that is a discussion thread.
And this other post, they can sticky it in the general discussion section, and have it linked from the patch notes thread.
Just a suggestion.
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I can see where your coming from there. Though, it would be nice if they were to open another thread about the patch, and sticky it so that players have a place to post questions, information, etc. This will let them still have the post that just states the patch notes, and one that is a discussion thread.
And this other post, they can sticky it in the general discussion section, and have it linked from the patch notes thread.
Just a suggestion.
So have a thread in GD opened say during just downtime (or the day before type of thing) stickied?
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So have a thread in GD opened say during just downtime (or the day before type of thing) stickied?
This. And it can be left open a day or two after, if the developers, or community managers want to try to do some Q n A on any changes that were made.
Since they have been opening up communications more recently, this will give them a good place to try to answer questions, and concerns about new patches.
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This. And it can be left open a day or two after, if the developers, or community managers want to try to do some Q n A on any changes that were made.
Since they have been opening up communications more recently, this will give them a good place to try to answer questions, and concerns about new patches.
I like this idea
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So have a thread in GD opened say during just downtime (or the day before type of thing) stickied?
Sounds like a good compromise, although it adds another layer. Personally I think that the maintenance thread worked fine as it was, not just for feedback, but also a place where the CMs/devs could update us if any delays where likely. Having 3 threads for a maintenance just seems clumsy, closed patch-notes and open maintenance thread has been a winner so far.
[niggle] It does seem that perfectly good systems are being changed with little thought or purpose, while some of the systems that could use a little TLC are being ignored. [/niggle]
Oh "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" is a credo that I live by as an engineer, so I always baulk when I see this sort of thing.
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Sounds like a good compromise, although it adds another layer. Personally I think that the maintenance thread worked fine as it was, not just for feedback, but also a place where the CMs/devs could update us if any delays where likely. Having 3 threads for a maintenance just seems clumsy, closed patch-notes and open maintenance thread has been a winner so far.
[niggle] It does seem that perfectly good systems are being changed with little thought or purpose, while some of the systems that could use a little TLC are being ignored. [/niggle]
Oh "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" is a credo that I live by as an engineer, so I always baulk when I see this sort of thing.
I also liked the way it worked before. However, sometimes when change does happen, we need to adapt to it. And if it is tried, and they find it is more trouble, then they may go back to how things use to be.
But it never hurts to try new ways of doing things.
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Stop...you're giving me flashbacks to this one RP forum I was on...
There was this one really pretentious jerk, called himself Militant Xer0. His character's level sign was literally infinity because he sucked up to the mods, and they didn't give one single **** about balance or fair play...
Finally two guys exploited the game mechanics, teamed up with a powerful character who was sick of Xer0's antics, and annoyed Xer0 to the point that he whined to the mods and got the ENTIRE RP deleted.
It was incredible. And awful.
From what I understand:
1. (Potential) Moderators need to have an exhibited history of general forum politeness, knowledge, and willingness to help the community. Also, many moderators have demonstrated understanding of what to moderate via frequent and appropriate "reports" / tickets since there's no report button.
2. When applying for the job, consider that there will be an "extended pre-hire probation" to ensure that you're keeping up with, if not stepping up, your "game" from point 1.
One thing to keep in mind though, is that all too often people think that the moderator position "has a line" to the Devs and the moderator might find themselves with frequent requests to "give a scoop", "take player's wish X to the devs and get it implemented", or have a speculative / opinion post mistaken for an official statement - despite the disclaimer every mod has in their sig.
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They swept the whole thing clear without any warning and everyone had to re-register from 0.
a way to delete or move your own posts to the right section.
an rss feed you can set up for sections you want to monitor.
Well said.
While apparently the 'Ten Forward' section as a whole isn't going away, it would seem from the overall tone of Smirk's post that some threads will be erased.
I don't like that all too much as I find myself looking for a year or two old threads every once in a while.
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Smirk, is there any confirmation on whether any threads will be deleted, and if so, which ones? Also, do you have an ETA on the changes?
...so i am obviously expecting lots of deletions. probably all the older anonymised threads :rolleyes:
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I suppose one of the changes coming to the Forums will be a new and improved version of the Thought Police. After the whole place burst into flames over DR, I would imagine we'll all be getting warnings over speaking our minds where others can see.
Smart move on Smirk's part to not mention this. But as Community Heat Shield...errr Manager, I would imagine also he is just like the rest of if us mushrooms most days.
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Why delete anything? Why not just create subforums with the old content? If you want to lock down those subforums so that no one can post in them, that's fine. We just want to access our old data and to know who said what when. One problem with the 2012 forum revamp was that all the old posts became attributed to "Archived Post", so it is impossible to tell who the poster was.
Cryptic doesn't always do the best job with feedback threads. For example:
1. Every feedback thread about the doff UI revamp was started by players, because Cryptic never started one of their own.
2. The "Official Ship Upgrade Feedback Thread" was moved from the Tribble forums to the Redshirt forums for some reason.
Official Ship Upgrade Feedback Thread
3. The following thread is not stickied and is poorly named:
Assistance needed to track down loadout issues
It is not a loadout-only issue. Not everyone who has a problem with the trays or unslotting equipment realizes that they should post there.
If you would tell us what you were trying to accomplish, we could give you suggestions. Brandon started this thread prior to a previous forum reorganization:
Forum Reorganization Community Discussion [Complete!]
I suggested that he add a game mechanics forum, and I think that forum has genuinely been useful since it was created.
Builds, Powers, and Game Mechanics
nuke it.
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Actually it is not a bad idea..... Dump it all..... Start over with the new and improved STO! :rolleyes:
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Excuse me, but can I point out that they just did nuke the forums in mid-2012?
We all had to re-register and start our post count from zero again, which is why some motormouth postcount farmers have thousands of posts, and some of us who used to be quite active have never really participated much since then.
I look at that as way to gracefully exit without fanfare. Someone in the future would ask 'do you remember so-and-so' and the reply would be 'no, he's never posted'
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Hahahahaha! Oh, wait, you're not joking? Awkward...
In all seriousness though, it would be a nice change. But I wont hold my breath. The only time 'feedback' is even acknowledged is usually when the forums erupt into a cesspool of hate.
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It's understandable that the patch notes themselves are closed, but come on guys surely we should be able to give feedback on the incoming patches. Plus it's a way of keeping track of how the maintenance is progressing, it's one of the channels of communication that has been open all this time and now you close the door without a word as to why this change is made.
Yeah, I sent Smirk a PM about this the other day but haven't heard anything back. I really don't understand why they've decided to start closing those threads off.
Go-go gobots! Seriously, good for you. I want to do more but my heart is not in it now despite trying every day.
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Honestly it makes sense. You can always post a thread in GD during downtimes, and this keeps that one post available in case they need to extend maintenance as half the time their posts get buried in the dozens of posts made. Though this also could be just a test run to see how it plays out to the community.
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I can see where your coming from there. Though, it would be nice if they were to open another thread about the patch, and sticky it so that players have a place to post questions, information, etc. This will let them still have the post that just states the patch notes, and one that is a discussion thread.
And this other post, they can sticky it in the general discussion section, and have it linked from the patch notes thread.
Just a suggestion.
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This. And it can be left open a day or two after, if the developers, or community managers want to try to do some Q n A on any changes that were made.
Since they have been opening up communications more recently, this will give them a good place to try to answer questions, and concerns about new patches.
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Sounds like a good compromise, although it adds another layer. Personally I think that the maintenance thread worked fine as it was, not just for feedback, but also a place where the CMs/devs could update us if any delays where likely. Having 3 threads for a maintenance just seems clumsy, closed patch-notes and open maintenance thread has been a winner so far.
[niggle] It does seem that perfectly good systems are being changed with little thought or purpose, while some of the systems that could use a little TLC are being ignored. [/niggle]
Oh "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" is a credo that I live by as an engineer, so I always baulk when I see this sort of thing.
I also liked the way it worked before. However, sometimes when change does happen, we need to adapt to it. And if it is tried, and they find it is more trouble, then they may go back to how things use to be.
But it never hurts to try new ways of doing things.