Isnt there a cap at 75% resistance? BFI does nothing against the radiation damage which can hit for over 10k. I still dont see how EPTS can survive against 100k hits which happen a lot . You say you have no resistance so you are taking 30k+ hits after resistance even with EPTS that should wipe out most shields. Then 2 seconds later a 13k torp hits hull with a 1 in 4 chance to crit for 50k damage.
I just ran a combat log I just did 100k damage over 2 seconds. Max single shot hit was 80k.
shields have no resistance cap, and knetic resit only starts at 75%, not ends there. if it did, torps would be great against shields, because thats a pretty common resistance level most people can get their shields to, vs energy damage these days. no, knetic resist on most pvpers will be somewhere between 90% and 97% after all the resists all buffs are mathed together.
i think the reason this torp is so good at blowing people away is the radiation damage it applies, generally before the knetic damage. its an energy damage, and elite shields aren't going to have 10 stacks of res against it at all times, so at any given moment it will be pretty hard to have more then about 60% res to rad damage. 3x 3k to 6k rad damage hits per torp, and a few thousand the shield will take from 50k kinetic hits, will all be enough to take care of a shield faceing, if all you do is minmax the torp damage with quantum torp consoles.
thats the problem in my opinion, it shouldn't have a specific quantum brand of kinetic damage, so you would be forced to use general torp damage consoles instead. but the fleet versions aren't that much weaker actually, so that probably wouldn't even be enough to take care of the problem edge cases with the torp.
of course there's also SS for energy weapons, front loaded damage nirvana further boosted immensely by OSS. and you can stack ionic turbulence on top of that with its big resist debuff, and APB and FOMM they cant clear because they have all their skills shut down by ionic or EMP probe, and active scan turning off all your eng skills and further dropping your hull res. and iso cannon from the 3 part neutronic torp set, any other damage clickies, a plasma or phaser lance, or cannon barrage that are all shockingly powerful. this is all what you have to face in PVP now.
If you get instakilled by this torpedo with your shields up, your ship is garbage and you don't know how to fit it. Sorry for this moment of brutal truth..
Tell me how to improve a jhas with 50% kinetic res, epts+a2d with doff up, and PH reserve. I love this random forum warriors....
How do you protect against that? Pop BFI, pop EPTS. Those are my methods. I haven't been killed by that torp in a while now. I can tank multiple spreads without breaking a sweat.
Which raises the question... if I can do that, having no resists whatsoever, and not specializing in tanking powers... why can't the folks complaining here do the same?
Perhaps they're running really low shield power?
thx for the expert tip bro. EptS wont do a ****, and look the BFI coldown (plus it won't do a **** vs the radiation dmg)...oh i forgot, good luck trying to activate your ubber-secret counters when you are stun with the viral trait.
If you don't get kill because you play with noobs, period, a mediocre pilot but well geared can kill you very easy with that torp, and don't try to get into a premade match with agaisnt a good team.
A random noob using this torp probably won't kill you, a player that know what it does yes, it will vape you before you can even start using your heals, and he won't use half of his vape buttons.
Try your advance-pro counter in a match with good players, and you will see the respawn screen every 30 seconds.
Tell me how to improve a jhas with 50% kinetic res, epts+a2d with doff up, and PH reserve. I love this random forum warriors....
thx for the expert tip bro. EptS wont do a ****, and look the BFI coldown (plus it won't do a **** vs the radiation dmg)...oh i forgot, good luck trying to activate your ubber-secret counters when you are stun with the viral trait.
If you don't get kill because you play with noobs, period, a mediocre pilot but well geared can kill you very easy with that torp, and don't try to get into a premade match with agaisnt a good team.
A random noob using this torp probably won't kill you, a player that know what it does yes, it will vape you before you can even start using your heals, and he won't use half of his vape buttons.
Try your advance-pro counter in a match with good players, and you will see the respawn screen every 30 seconds.
To answer your multiple poorly typed questions:
- Popping EPTS pushes your shield resists up. Your shields already resist kinetic weapons pretty well. Think about it.
- You say I play with noobs. Is Minimax a noob? I play against him every now and then. He's shot me with this torp a few times. It sometimes kills me. It usually results in him exploding. Who are you again?
- How to improve the survivability of your JHAS. I don't know, I've never flown a JHAS. Perhaps you should slap some more resist consoles on it? That's sure to work. GHEHEH.
- Popping EPTS pushes your shield resists up. Your shields already resist kinetic weapons pretty well. Think about it.
Really, you are trying to explain me what EptS do? even knowing that im using it? Are you serious? this is pvp forum, go to ESD chat to explain people what EptS do.
- You say I play with noobs. Is Minimax a noob? I play against him every now and then. He's shot me with this torp a few times. It sometimes kills me. It usually results in him exploding. Who are you again?
Ask mini about me lol. And the last time i checked, mini was using proton build, no neutronic torps, but since i didn't log in a several days he may changed his build. Nevertheless killing mini is not a big accomplishment, his builds say "trade kill" all over it, he donsn't care about dying, he only care about vaping
- How to improve the survivability of your JHAS. I don't know, I've never flown a JHAS. Perhaps you should slap some more resist consoles on it? That's sure to work. GHEHEH.
Speaking of experts...
Learn about diminish returns, then try to teach me how to make a build.
So... you can do 100k damage in 2 seconds with that torp...
While an energy ganker can do 250k damage in the same span of time.
Why are we debating this again?
I have never seen an energy ganker get remotely close to those numbers. Never seen an energy ganker kill a group of 7 NPC’s in 2 seconds. How is that even remotely possible, an energy ganker cannot even target that many NPC's in 2 seconds can it? Virusdancer pointed out it’s a single weapon. An energy boat that's 7-8 weapons to push out that kind of damage. You can fit this to an energy boat and around about double your damage volly output. Not that you need energy weapons. Most of the time I just shoot 1 volley and the group of NPCs are all dead.
- Popping EPTS pushes your shield resists up. Your shields already resist kinetic weapons pretty well. Think about it.
I did think about it and see two problems. A large amount of the damage is not Kinetic so you have little resistance and like I said unless I am missing something shields go down in 1 hit both from the math and experience. So you get up to 80% Kinetic resistance by stacking EPTS and a bunch of other things. You still get hit 10k radiation with 100k Kinetic damage which means you lose 20,000 shields from Kinetic and still have to deal with around 5k Radiation even with EPTS. For most ships that means 0% shields and a noticeable amount of hull damage. 2 seconds later you get another shot doing 13k to 80k. Like I asked before I don't see how you are tanking the shots with EPTS the math doesn't add up and my experience in game doesn't match what you are saying. So what am I missing?
So basically, something more powerful than A2B-BFAW has appeared and SOME don't like it. What a surprise.
Heh, there's been plenty that's more powerful than AtB-FAW. It's about how much more powerful this torp is compared to the torp it is based on...if it were just the "better" that it was, that would be one thing - balanced by being unique and the refresh. But with the boost it gets from TS and TS3, it's another matter. And there's still the lolwaste boost it gets from TS1.
It would still arguably be the best torp without the goofed up TS stuff...including not being a lolwaste with TS1 compared to other torps.
Ok so I just bought the torpedo, and loaded it on a T5U Scimitar. Just replaced the THY3 Biomolecular with that. Added a Fleet Exploiter +QuP and kept 4 Fleet Locators +Dis.
Verdict? It's crazy good. And it should stay like that. It's how torpedoes should have been, not some nich
You know i saw the dauntless and the neutronic torp and was like hmmm this could be fun. So i made one. Mind you i made it a well boat to make my life easier BUT if i cannot get more than 2 targets in my spread then the neutronic torp does very little. So in mirror invasion (when i'm stuck taking care of a typhoon) or BD where i can't well things all that greatly since they are so spread out i don't do as well.
Now in Borg Advanced STF's where i can gather stuff up pretty well i'm averaging 10-12k dps (which i'm quite happy with for an unfinished sci ship.)
and i gotta be honest if these people were stupid enough to be 3 km from eachother in a pvp match where any number of aoe devices could cause issues then... whelp they get the Darwin award.
That being said i'm the first person to go shooting straight into 50 ships gather them with a well and torp spread 3 with my neutronic cackling all the way to the bank...
You know i saw the dauntless and the neutronic torp and was like hmmm this could be fun. So i made one. Mind you i made it a well boat to make my life easier BUT if i cannot get more than 2 targets in my spread then the neutronic torp does very little. So in mirror invasion (when i'm stuck taking care of a typhoon) or BD where i can't well things all that greatly since they are so spread out i don't do as well.
Now in Borg Advanced STF's where i can gather stuff up pretty well i'm averaging 10-12k dps (which i'm quite happy with for an unfinished sci ship.)
and i gotta be honest if these people were stupid enough to be 3 km from eachother in a pvp match where any number of aoe devices could cause issues then... whelp they get the Darwin award.
That being said i'm the first person to go shooting straight into 50 ships gather them with a well and torp spread 3 with my neutronic cackling all the way to the bank...
You don't have a single clue about how to use torpedoes.
Slightly off topic, but does load Viral Torp work with Torp Spread, to make this thing even more deadly?
What does the Viral Torp do? Disable shields? disable powers? disable weapons? how long? was wondering if its worth spending 85mill to get it for torp boats.
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shields have no resistance cap, and knetic resit only starts at 75%, not ends there. if it did, torps would be great against shields, because thats a pretty common resistance level most people can get their shields to, vs energy damage these days. no, knetic resist on most pvpers will be somewhere between 90% and 97% after all the resists all buffs are mathed together.
i think the reason this torp is so good at blowing people away is the radiation damage it applies, generally before the knetic damage. its an energy damage, and elite shields aren't going to have 10 stacks of res against it at all times, so at any given moment it will be pretty hard to have more then about 60% res to rad damage. 3x 3k to 6k rad damage hits per torp, and a few thousand the shield will take from 50k kinetic hits, will all be enough to take care of a shield faceing, if all you do is minmax the torp damage with quantum torp consoles.
thats the problem in my opinion, it shouldn't have a specific quantum brand of kinetic damage, so you would be forced to use general torp damage consoles instead. but the fleet versions aren't that much weaker actually, so that probably wouldn't even be enough to take care of the problem edge cases with the torp.
of course there's also SS for energy weapons, front loaded damage nirvana further boosted immensely by OSS. and you can stack ionic turbulence on top of that with its big resist debuff, and APB and FOMM they cant clear because they have all their skills shut down by ionic or EMP probe, and active scan turning off all your eng skills and further dropping your hull res. and iso cannon from the 3 part neutronic torp set, any other damage clickies, a plasma or phaser lance, or cannon barrage that are all shockingly powerful. this is all what you have to face in PVP now.
Tell me how to improve a jhas with 50% kinetic res, epts+a2d with doff up, and PH reserve. I love this random forum warriors....
thx for the expert tip bro. EptS wont do a ****, and look the BFI coldown (plus it won't do a **** vs the radiation dmg)...oh i forgot, good luck trying to activate your ubber-secret counters when you are stun with the viral trait.
If you don't get kill because you play with noobs, period, a mediocre pilot but well geared can kill you very easy with that torp, and don't try to get into a premade match with agaisnt a good team.
A random noob using this torp probably won't kill you, a player that know what it does yes, it will vape you before you can even start using your heals, and he won't use half of his vape buttons.
Try your advance-pro counter in a match with good players, and you will see the respawn screen every 30 seconds.
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
2.5 times the damage with 7-8 times the weapons...and you ask why it's being discussed?
Curious...
To answer your multiple poorly typed questions:
- Popping EPTS pushes your shield resists up. Your shields already resist kinetic weapons pretty well. Think about it.
- You say I play with noobs. Is Minimax a noob? I play against him every now and then. He's shot me with this torp a few times. It sometimes kills me. It usually results in him exploding. Who are you again?
- How to improve the survivability of your JHAS. I don't know, I've never flown a JHAS. Perhaps you should slap some more resist consoles on it? That's sure to work. GHEHEH.
Speaking of experts...
Are you trying to use common sense to explain something logical here? Blasphemy! logical reason and common sense are not allowed in this forum.
Really, you are trying to explain me what EptS do? even knowing that im using it? Are you serious? this is pvp forum, go to ESD chat to explain people what EptS do.
Ask mini about me lol. And the last time i checked, mini was using proton build, no neutronic torps, but since i didn't log in a several days he may changed his build. Nevertheless killing mini is not a big accomplishment, his builds say "trade kill" all over it, he donsn't care about dying, he only care about vaping
Learn about diminish returns, then try to teach me how to make a build.
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
I have never seen an energy ganker get remotely close to those numbers. Never seen an energy ganker kill a group of 7 NPC’s in 2 seconds. How is that even remotely possible, an energy ganker cannot even target that many NPC's in 2 seconds can it? Virusdancer pointed out it’s a single weapon. An energy boat that's 7-8 weapons to push out that kind of damage. You can fit this to an energy boat and around about double your damage volly output. Not that you need energy weapons. Most of the time I just shoot 1 volley and the group of NPCs are all dead.
I did think about it and see two problems. A large amount of the damage is not Kinetic so you have little resistance and like I said unless I am missing something shields go down in 1 hit both from the math and experience. So you get up to 80% Kinetic resistance by stacking EPTS and a bunch of other things. You still get hit 10k radiation with 100k Kinetic damage which means you lose 20,000 shields from Kinetic and still have to deal with around 5k Radiation even with EPTS. For most ships that means 0% shields and a noticeable amount of hull damage. 2 seconds later you get another shot doing 13k to 80k. Like I asked before I don't see how you are tanking the shots with EPTS the math doesn't add up and my experience in game doesn't match what you are saying. So what am I missing?
Kinetic resistance alone isn't enough as it does a large amount of none kinetic damage.
Heh, there's been plenty that's more powerful than AtB-FAW. It's about how much more powerful this torp is compared to the torp it is based on...if it were just the "better" that it was, that would be one thing - balanced by being unique and the refresh. But with the boost it gets from TS and TS3, it's another matter. And there's still the lolwaste boost it gets from TS1.
It would still arguably be the best torp without the goofed up TS stuff...including not being a lolwaste with TS1 compared to other torps.
i can't remember the last time a saw a a2b bfaw boat being usefull in pvp, feedback pulse cleaned the queques of fawtards
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
Verdict? It's crazy good. And it should stay like that. It's how torpedoes should have been, not some nich
Now in Borg Advanced STF's where i can gather stuff up pretty well i'm averaging 10-12k dps (which i'm quite happy with for an unfinished sci ship.)
and i gotta be honest if these people were stupid enough to be 3 km from eachother in a pvp match where any number of aoe devices could cause issues then... whelp they get the Darwin award.
That being said i'm the first person to go shooting straight into 50 ships gather them with a well and torp spread 3 with my neutronic cackling all the way to the bank...
You don't have a single clue about how to use torpedoes.
Nope, doesn't work with torp enhancement.
Say you (Random) Team & Torp Spread, the Torp Spread is just the Torp Spread and the next Torp fired after the Spread will be the Viral Torp.
Course, that gets into some fun with HY/TS/Viral stacking with three torps...working in a BO for some EWO Penetration.
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