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How I feel about the Kobali
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♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
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Why am I helping this corpse r**ing monsters?
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
This, they are raising the dead of their enemy to fight for them and then they wonder why their enemy hates them...
Who put that in the teleprompter, FIRE!! THAT MAN!!!
You don't fire them, you hold a televised trial where they can admit their guilt before the people and gracefully except their punishment for the uplifting and stability of society.
This is a new Cardassia , we fire them out windows now. :cool:
Do people place bets on where they will land?
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
Damned right. I don't have any idea why the hell we are helping these people. They disgust me~! Why don't I get dialogue options to tell them to go blow it out their exhaust port?
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Well, public polls can be a very important part of the civic process.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
It's the only way to be sure.
I'm with you. Just bombard the planet and be done with it.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
The Tribble will fly with you, to glorious battle for the honour of the dead!
Not to mention the Vaadwuar get off on calling for peace conferences just so they can shoot the place up.
Except Klingons don't give a TRIBBLE about their corpses.
I'm fairly certain the Klingons like their corpses to remain Klingon... and preferably dead...
I feel as if the Kobali are the only grey in all of the Delta Quadrant storyline right now. Everything else from the Malon to the Benthen, Vaadwuur and Heirarchy. Its all black and white.
From Voyager we know the Malon arent necessarily evil, but profit is what drives them. It keeps them on the path theyre on. Theyve had the chance to change their ways in the past. But it would shake the very economic foundation of their society to do so. And have since chosen not to take that path. What they are doing is wrong but its not as if they dont have their reasons....Misguided and selfish as they may be. From Delta Risings take on the Malon there isnt much in the way of showing us anything besides their willingness to drop theta radiation where ever they please. Only a small and easily forgotten/overlooked mention of their economic reasons are mentioned.
The Benthen were notorious for their infatuation with Justice. But stories reached the ears of the Voyager crew that hinted the Benthen did not look at Justice in the same manner that the Federation does. And rumors of torture and poor living conditions for their prisoners were well known in the series. But none of that so far has been mentioned or questioned by the Federation. Its one thing not to interfere with another civilizations society...But to willingly work with them is another. And it seems the Federation is always willing to turn a blind eye to wrongs being done in the Galaxy as long as the Federation can profit from it.
While I havent gotten far enough to find out who the Vaadwuur is working with. I have a solid idea. And yes they are definitively bad people. From what we saw in Voyager there was more to the Vaadwuur then merely the Token Bad Guys. They had a rich and interesting society. But thanks to being a one off. We had a limited look at that. And theyre now forced to play out as strictly a pawn in a larger game.
The Hierarchy is again. A one off that could of been much more had they been given the opportunity. And while so far theyve been represented in the manner we saw in the series. I fear this is the extent of what we will see. A very black and white view of the Hierarchy with little to no flushing out of their society.
It seems Cryptic wants to gloss over the majority of groups within the Delta Quadrant. Stereotyping them as Good or Bad. Even though we saw a much more interesting side to these groups in Voyager. And personally I have no idea why the Federation would assist the Kobali when their reproduction involves desecrating the dead. Something most if not all of the Federation Member Worlds would find appalling. Something that had it been not for the Vaadwuur. We would have been bumping heads with the Kobali over.
I'm with you President Dukat!!!
No, that's Ferenginar. :P
But really, the whole Kobali situation is weird. What I'd do is watch from a distance and let them and the Vaadwaur brawl it out and then put the leash on whoever is left standing.
They allied with the Klingons who go around conquering planets, previously violated treaties with them, and at one time planed to poison an entire federation colony. Not to mention they once allied with the Romulan Star Empire who weren't nice people even before the Iconians co-opted them.
The federation makes nice with people, been that way since the beginning.
They're basically Khan Noonien Singh and lesser friends in the form of an entire species, so not seeing the problem with them staying true to form.
Yeah, becauase the federation typically goes around imposing its morals on other species. :rolleyes:
Seriously, again allied to imperialistic conquering Klingons who they still let conquer.
Besides I don't think the federation would have a leg to stand on in questioning the Kobali using grave robbing to not go extinct when they (the feds) were will to attempt to commit genocide against the Founders to save their own butts.
Genocide is way worse then TRIBBLE around with the dead.
You're waaay of track here - that was the doing of a small group of terrorists, ego-maniacs and general filth, not the United Federation of Planets.
The Starfleet Officers Bashir and O'Brien then killed the sensless idiot that planned that whole ordeal in order to prevent his genocidal plan, without much remorse.
I disagree... the dead should be left to be dead in peace, not dragged up for round two with life and certainly not converted into a different species!
And then the Federation Council told them not to give the cure to the Founders meaning they were okay letting them die due to something their citizens did BEFORE there was even a war.
Heck, Odo even called the federation on their hypocrisy about it.
Not to mention said group probably was bigger than you think considering Bashir pointed out that a lot of Starfleet personal in important positions would have had to help Section 31 pull the plan off.
So grave robbing is more serious than genocide, really? REALLY?
Considering the circumstances, the Kobali have earned their fate, I understand that to use the bodies of the dead are the only way they have to replicate themselves but at the very least they should respect the customs of other races as regards their death rituals and attitudes towards the bodies of the dead and ask the permission of those races before using the corpses.
The thing is that they don't do any of the above and I must admit if I was watching them turning my people and fallen forces into more of them, I'd want to put an end to it and if that meant killing them, so be it. If I had to go to the extremes of genocide before they changed their ways and respected other cultures practices as regards death then I would say they earned their fate.
But jhet'leya was cute. Doesn't that make anything OK?
~.^
It might be a better use of resources to correct the reproduction problem.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
I agree with this too...its like in IRL, some people want to be buried, or cremated, pretty much left in peace. But there are other people who donate their bodies to science or they donate their organs to people who need transplants
What the Kobali need to do is find the equivalent of that person who donates their body to science when they die or they need to find an organ donor.
The Vaadwuar may be ruthless space TRIBBLE blah blah. But at least in times of war you should try and respect your opponents beliefs. i think in one of the storyline missions its revealed that the Vaadwuar arent after land or treasure or anything like that. They just want the Kobali to stop using their dead bodies. Now i'm not sure if its 'stop using OUR dead bodies' or just 'stop using dead bodies' period. But do you think that maybe the Kobali would have gotten the hint when they find out that the Vaadwuar are giving themselves chemicals so that they cant be used by the Kobali?
Politicians will always be politicians. Do you think that the politicians in our countries today are the finest example of the people living in our respective nations?
Besides at the end of the day, they - the protagonists did the right thing and no genocide happened. So yeah, don't try to equalize a small sad group of insane people with the larger part of Federation society.
A pathetic, sad little terrorist cell full of insane individuals with delusions of grandeour. Do they have their little shills in form of some patetic admiral whatchacallhim? Yeah, but that doesn't make them any bigger or significant.
We could be the Wierd ones.... Other species may not even care about the corpses.....
I would rather side with a species that uses corpses to ensure their survival than side with the space TRIBBLE species.
At least they are not the vidiians who used to kill people and harvest them for parts.