I know they had to haggle quite a bit over the use of the Vesta. And CBS is the reason too we're not getting a T5 Connie. So, I'm pretty sure Cryptic needs permission to for every ship they want to put out there. I think the royalties were mentioned in one of the livestreams (as one of the main reasons they wanted to go their own designs).
They had to haggle with the use of Vesta, because it's NOT an Iconic ST Ship (same as New Cryptic Designs i.E. Odyssey) ... same with T5 Connie in 2409 ... CBS wants to protect it's property, so they don't want people, to associate flying Unicorns with ST, or badly designed Ships, Ships that don't fit into this time period etc ... that's (supposed to be) their reasoning ...
Sure they have to get permission to everything they put into the game, but that's not gonna change as long as this game is called Star Trek (including New Cryptic Designs) ... don't know about the Livestreams, but as long as there's still a Galaxy, Intrepid etc ingame I don't see how this is gonna change ... point being, every Iconic ST Ship is already released, so they'd already be paying for those (afaik they don't, though)
but, oddly enough, and ironically, Cryptic always seems very reluctant with releasing iconic Star Trek ships. So, not gonna hold my breath for that.
Don't have a clue what you're talking about (sounds like the exact opposite I've been hearing for 4.5 years) ... what iconic ST-Ship is missing in STO ??? The famous Niagara Class ?
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The cynic in me can't help but think that they've settled on the higher price and haven't shared the info as they don't want the negative feedback pre-launch, and would rather deal with the fallout after the event.
Unfortunately, I agree. They just want us all to log in tomorrow, realise it'll be 1,000 Zen per ship and expect us to start throwing ten dollar notes at them to start upgrading several ships. I think if it was 500, a reasonable price, they've have happily come out and said it by now. We're talking about a major new element to the expansion after all.
They know 1,000 Zen is seen as excessive so are holding back confirming it.
The cynic in me can't help but think that they've settled on the higher price and haven't shared the info as they don't want the negative feedback pre-launch, and would rather deal with the fallout after the event.
The cynic in me can't help but think that they've settled on the higher price and haven't shared the info as they don't want the negative feedback pre-launch, and would rather deal with the fallout after the event.
I think this is pretty much the case.
They want all these old players back in the game, before hitting them with ship and ship upgrade token costs.
We are close to DR launch, and yet there is not a single news from Cryptic on the cost for these ship upgrade tokens. When will this important information be released?
No matter what the cost is, it will be too much for the emotional acceptance of many, they are in a no win situation.
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No matter what the cost is, it will be too much for the emotional acceptance of many, they are in a no win situation.
The no-win is of their own making. The entire game is convoluted pay-gates now. It's their own fault for milking the playerbase to the point of abandoning ship. The ONLY reason people still flock to this game is the Trek name on it. They're nickle-and-diming even devout fans away from the franchise.
No sympathy. The no-win is 100% their own making. This could be very much win-win, but they refuse to temper their greed and gold lust.
The no-win is of their own making. The entire game is convoluted pay-gates now. It's their own fault for milking the playerbase to the point of abandoning ship. The ONLY reason people still flock to this game is the Trek name on it. They're nickle-and-diming even devout fans away from the franchise.
No sympathy. The no-win is 100% their own making. This could be very much win-win, but they refuse to temper their greed and gold lust.
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If they don't give people;e reasons to pay for things the game dies.... it's that simple.
I think they took all the wrong lessons from Star Citizen. They must've seen what SC was selling in virtual ships and decided 'hey, we can do that, too!' With store T5 (originally endgame) ships going for $20-25, they're actually costing more now to be considered (almost) endgame ships for another $5-10 upgrade.
Most don't remember the protests when ships started coming out at the $25 mark, but at this rate they're creeping to the $30-35 range, and it's getting ridiculous. I imagine T6 would have to be priced even higher than the current T5s or there would be little reason to buy T5s from here on out.
We support them buy purchasing T5 endgame ships. They respond by raising the ceiling and charging us to (kinda) keep them endgame ships. Way to reward the people who invested.
This cost and how much it will be is actually the most pertinent piece of information which I would like to see revealed today.There's only one of the new ships which I plan to purchase but several which I am anticipating upgrading.
I'll be purchasing the Mah'ta, and upgrading the following Fleet T'Varo, Fleet Tor'kaht, Fleet Kamarang, Fleet Ambassador.
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The post you quoted notwithstanding, for me it isn't the fact we have to pay for things that bothers me; it's not knowing how much said things are going to cost.
and knowing the price today rather then tomorrow changes anything how?
The post you quoted notwithstanding, for me it isn't the fact we have to pay for things that bothers me; it's not knowing how much said things are going to cost.
We may not know the exact cost, but we have an approximate figure. 500-1000 zen.
We may not know the exact cost, but we have an approximate figure. 500-1000 zen.
exactly...as soon as this was mentioned I operated under the assumption all my ships would cost 1000z to upgrade and dil minded accordingly
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Ambassador, Kamarang, and anniversary Odyssey and Bort are not upgradeable at all. Need the fleet or C-Store versions, which will cost money to upgrade.
I'm not sure about the bort or oddy, but the other 2 are upgradable- at a HUGE price. You'll have to upgrade to fleet versions on each account (4 FSM each) then buy an upgrade token for each.
I'm not sure about the bort or oddy, but the other 2 are upgradable- at a HUGE price. You'll have to upgrade to fleet versions on each account (4 FSM each) then buy an upgrade token for each.
Just feel sorry for everyone purchasing the 9-Pack Dyson Destroyers a few months ago ... lots of Upgrade Potential there ...
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It was my understanding they said via blog it would be ~500 - 1000 zen. I'd bet on 1000 myself.
We'll know for sure after 1PM U.S. eastern time tomorrow - when it is finally all unveiled. I am sure hoping for the 500 zen range, anything else is hefty - at least for me that is, along with those players who own many CStore ships and bundle packs.
During the last livestream... Smirk said that it would be between 500 and 1000 and something about depending on what ship you were upgrading affected the cost. I might be misconstruing his remarks but that is what I got from it.
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Also, I think ugrading lockbox ships is simply a good idea (free anyway).
Free Upgrades go without saying. You're not losing anything by doing it, and nor should you. Cryptic shouldn't dare expect people to pay for T5 Lock Box upgrades, not when the new Lock Box ships are T6.
As for Cryptic releasing a T6 Intrepid, Galaxy, Sovereign etc., I figure that may be years to come. For some reason they've decided they no longer want to pay royalties to CBS for the ships (bad decision, IMHO).
Say what now? They've already got the designs, so they should be able to use them (it's unlikely CBS would say no to the request of a T6 Galaxy). Worse case scenario (for that ship) is to release a T6 Venture Class.
I suspect a T6 Sovereign, Intrepid, Galaxy (etc) will be here a lot sooner than you realize.
you say about the iconic ships though, whilst I can't speak for all of them, a T6 Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy are bound to happen sooner or later.
Free Upgrades go without saying. You're not losing anything by doing it, and nor should you. Cryptic shouldn't dare expect people to pay for T5 Lock Box upgrades, not when the new Lock Box ships are T6.
Say what now? They've already got the designs, so they should be able to use them (it's unlikely CBS would say no to the request of a T6 Galaxy). Worse case scenario (for that ship) is to release a T6 Venture Class.
I suspect a T6 Sovereign, Intrepid, Galaxy (etc) will be here a lot sooner than you realize.
All, I can say is, I hope you're right! But remember how long it has taken Cryptic to *finally* release the 3-pack with the Dreadnought Cruiser!? People had been asking for that for years! And you know why? I give you Rule of Acquisition 82:
I'm not sure about the bort or oddy, but the other 2 are upgradable- at a HUGE price. You'll have to upgrade to fleet versions on each account (4 FSM each) then buy an upgrade token for each.
I'm not sure about the bort or oddy, but the other 2 are upgradable- at a HUGE price. You'll have to upgrade to fleet versions on each account (4 FSM each) then buy an upgrade token for each.
You can't upgrade C-Store Ody to Fleet to begin with. So, I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
I'm unclear as to why wondering the answer to a simple question warrants a snotty response? It just seems odd that this has not been answered.
I fear that many people will not like the answer to that question. It is indeed rumored to be between 500 to 1,000 Zen - However; they haven't even given us an answer to which ships will require the 1K token upgrade.
I fear that many people will not like the answer to that question. It is indeed rumored to be between 500 to 1,000 Zen - However; they haven't even given us an answer to which ships will require the 1K token upgrade.
I find it discourteous, tbh. If you want our money, tell us at least how *much* of it you want! (And no, 'All of it!' is not an acceptable reply).
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They had to haggle with the use of Vesta, because it's NOT an Iconic ST Ship (same as New Cryptic Designs i.E. Odyssey) ... same with T5 Connie in 2409 ... CBS wants to protect it's property, so they don't want people, to associate flying Unicorns with ST, or badly designed Ships, Ships that don't fit into this time period etc ... that's (supposed to be) their reasoning ...
Sure they have to get permission to everything they put into the game, but that's not gonna change as long as this game is called Star Trek (including New Cryptic Designs) ... don't know about the Livestreams, but as long as there's still a Galaxy, Intrepid etc ingame I don't see how this is gonna change ... point being, every Iconic ST Ship is already released, so they'd already be paying for those (afaik they don't, though)
Don't have a clue what you're talking about (sounds like the exact opposite I've been hearing for 4.5 years) ... what iconic ST-Ship is missing in STO ??? The famous Niagara Class ?
Unfortunately, I agree. They just want us all to log in tomorrow, realise it'll be 1,000 Zen per ship and expect us to start throwing ten dollar notes at them to start upgrading several ships. I think if it was 500, a reasonable price, they've have happily come out and said it by now. We're talking about a major new element to the expansion after all.
They know 1,000 Zen is seen as excessive so are holding back confirming it.
That was actually the cynic in ME. :P
Which will just mean crafting more gear for those flying pigs.
I think this is pretty much the case.
They want all these old players back in the game, before hitting them with ship and ship upgrade token costs.
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I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
The no-win is of their own making. The entire game is convoluted pay-gates now. It's their own fault for milking the playerbase to the point of abandoning ship. The ONLY reason people still flock to this game is the Trek name on it. They're nickle-and-diming even devout fans away from the franchise.
No sympathy. The no-win is 100% their own making. This could be very much win-win, but they refuse to temper their greed and gold lust.
If they don't give people;e reasons to pay for things the game dies.... it's that simple.
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Most don't remember the protests when ships started coming out at the $25 mark, but at this rate they're creeping to the $30-35 range, and it's getting ridiculous. I imagine T6 would have to be priced even higher than the current T5s or there would be little reason to buy T5s from here on out.
We support them buy purchasing T5 endgame ships. They respond by raising the ceiling and charging us to (kinda) keep them endgame ships. Way to reward the people who invested.
I'll be purchasing the Mah'ta, and upgrading the following Fleet T'Varo, Fleet Tor'kaht, Fleet Kamarang, Fleet Ambassador.
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exactly...as soon as this was mentioned I operated under the assumption all my ships would cost 1000z to upgrade and dil minded accordingly
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I'm not sure about the bort or oddy, but the other 2 are upgradable- at a HUGE price. You'll have to upgrade to fleet versions on each account (4 FSM each) then buy an upgrade token for each.
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Just feel sorry for everyone purchasing the 9-Pack Dyson Destroyers a few months ago ... lots of Upgrade Potential there ...
With Cryptic its best to prepare for the 1500 zen opportunity. And be happy if its cheaper.
We'll know for sure after 1PM U.S. eastern time tomorrow - when it is finally all unveiled. I am sure hoping for the 500 zen range, anything else is hefty - at least for me that is, along with those players who own many CStore ships and bundle packs.
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you say about the iconic ships though, whilst I can't speak for all of them, a T6 Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy are bound to happen sooner or later.
Free Upgrades go without saying. You're not losing anything by doing it, and nor should you. Cryptic shouldn't dare expect people to pay for T5 Lock Box upgrades, not when the new Lock Box ships are T6.
Say what now? They've already got the designs, so they should be able to use them (it's unlikely CBS would say no to the request of a T6 Galaxy). Worse case scenario (for that ship) is to release a T6 Venture Class.
I suspect a T6 Sovereign, Intrepid, Galaxy (etc) will be here a lot sooner than you realize.
All, I can say is, I hope you're right!
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Aka, exotic ships sell, 'boring' iconic Star Trek ships sell less.
Isn't that what I said?
You can't upgrade C-Store Ody to Fleet to begin with. So, I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
I'm unclear as to why wondering the answer to a simple question warrants a snotty response? It just seems odd that this has not been answered.
I fear that many people will not like the answer to that question. It is indeed rumored to be between 500 to 1,000 Zen - However; they haven't even given us an answer to which ships will require the 1K token upgrade.
I find it discourteous, tbh. If you want our money, tell us at least how *much* of it you want! (And no, 'All of it!' is not an acceptable reply).
Agreed.
It's not as if they're having a high level staff meeting as i type to determine the price.
Tell us and get it over and done with.