Wow, this thread makes me tempted to erase all 4 of my level 50 kdf.. well maybe not the kdf allied reman, she isnt as much of a little B1$#h as you all sound... Its a game, we all know its for a profit, instead of complaining how about suggesting balanced built vessels for the kdf as well?
Go ahead and delete them. We don't miss KDF "Fed Farmers" in the Red Side of the Neutral Zone anyways :rolleyes:
they only did this to drum up more sales of the aquarius. which is a fleet shipyard only ship.... doubt you'll see that many fleet aquarius's since theres no way to get a discount on them..... unless they add the aquarius to the c-store and remove the base version from the fleet store.
I only had an Aquarius because I like to show up to STFs in "inferior" ships and do just as well, if not better, than most of the players there. I tried my Fleet Aquarius on Tribble, and I have to say I love it. The ship is definitely not lacking anymore, and I expect more people to use it now.
Having said that, despite being a mainly Fed player, I'm really hoping that post DR launch, Cryptic spends some time to concentrate on the Klingon faction. They've done a good job giving them PvE content to do, now they need some parity with ships and tech. I'm not very worried about the Romulans right now, because a boost to the Klingon side will probably get a number of people to try a K-side Rommy.
I like the Klingon content. I'm not a PvPer, so I don't care about that at all. I don't care that the Federation has a raider. Even though it's one less "unique" (not so much since there was a universal raider anyway) thing they had, I don't think it's any less reason to play a Klingon.
There's only really 2 ways to draw more people to K-side right now: more featured content that puts more spotlight on the Klingon faction; and/or a vast array of fun ships to fly. They've always had the odds against them, as every show centered on Federation characters (naturally), and so that's what people know. But fun ships and ship mechanics will draw enough attention on their own to get some Bat'leths out of the closet.
Go ahead and delete them. We don't miss KDF "Fed Farmers" in the Red Side of the Neutral Zone anyways :rolleyes:
Wow so you really are as loud as they say mr empty can. KDF loyalist and or exclusive KDF players represent such a small fraction of this game, with so little money being in-put guess what. You matter as much as a pimple on a flee on a horses a$$ in a country we've never heard of. Get over it. as for the whole farmer comment. yes I farm all 3 factions across 10 character since the game launched, my 2nd Fed sci officer in a wells temporal sci vessel would own you 1v1 ANY klink fail boat you whipped out. so your "superior KDF" can suck it. I like having ALL of Trek, not just one obscure faction. Oh yea ans where exactly do you want all this KDF centric stuff to come from? Its not exact;y like ANY of the shows really centered around anything but the Feds.... Open eyes and shut mouth.
Wow, this thread makes me tempted to erase all 4 of my level 50 kdf.. well maybe not the kdf allied reman, she isnt as much of a little B1$#h as you all sound... Its a game, we all know its for a profit, instead of complaining how about suggesting balanced built vessels for the kdf as well?
Wow, such profound elloquence in your expression, you must be a scholar! :rolleyes:
Wow so you really are as loud as they say mr empty can. KDF loyalist and or exclusive KDF players represent such a small fraction of this game, with so little money being in-put guess what. You matter as much as a pimple on a flee on a horses a$$ in a country we've never heard of. Get over it. as for the whole farmer comment. yes I farm all 3 factions across 10 character since the game launched, my 2nd Fed sci officer in a wells temporal sci vessel would own you 1v1 ANY klink fail boat you whipped out. so your "superior KDF" can suck it. I like having ALL of Trek, not just one obscure faction. Oh yea ans where exactly do you want all this KDF centric stuff to come from? Its not exact;y like ANY of the shows really centered around anything but the Feds.... Open eyes and shut mouth.
Wow so you really are as loud as they say mr empty can. KDF loyalist and or exclusive KDF players represent such a small fraction of this game, with so little money being in-put guess what. You matter as much as a pimple on a flee on a horses a$$ in a country we've never heard of. Get over it. as for the whole farmer comment. yes I farm all 3 factions across 10 character since the game launched, my 2nd Fed sci officer in a wells temporal sci vessel would own you 1v1 ANY klink fail boat you whipped out. so your "superior KDF" can suck it. I like having ALL of Trek, not just one obscure faction. Oh yea ans where exactly do you want all this KDF centric stuff to come from? Its not exact;y like ANY of the shows really centered around anything but the Feds.... Open eyes and shut mouth.
Have you deleted your KDF toons or are you just going to mew around like a homeless, starving cat??? :cool:
Put your money where your mouth is and delete your KDF Farming Toons. Please, go ahead, nobody gives a ****.
You go into the thread puffing out your chest, strutting around the top of the fence like some alley cat proclaiming that you hate the KDF enough that you should delete your KDF toons. Well???? Have you done it or are you just going to keep pacing back and forth like a noisy cat until someone throws a shoe at you?
If any devs are reading this thread most likely the best solution for the matter without having to put in special boff traits or whatever to make our bops as useful as they once were and to put uniqueness that may or may not be perceived with this feddie bop change lol.
They could do the same way they dealt with Cruisers and the Warbird singularity issue. Make some adjustments where you have commands for klingon birds of prey. To balance it out without changing too much of the bops we already have there could be a sliding damage scale in regards to how much ships like romulan warbirds with 5 tact consoles and those cloak ambush duration extending reman boffs do and maybe scale the damage so as the battle cloak cool down depending on how many seconds it has left the extra damage is reduced gradually as it comes closer to being able to be used again as pretty decent hit and run design. Then for a couple more options they can use the same premise but make some engineering and science viable options so that we can use bops in their intended role of being something that was the counter balance to the abundance of science ships the federation has to balance them out.
The other off topic proposal I have for KDF, romulans, and future factions though so its not perceived as they hate kdf or they hate romulans. Design a new flexible system when something is released being that it takes quite a while per ship. Being also most KDF and romulan players are Trek fans and will mostly always play their factions canon ships. So a new design making it flexible to modify the KDF, romulan, and future factions to where when these new fed ships are bought that you can hit the claim button but it gives you some kind of item like a space weapon, console, etc.
I do forsee if something isn't done to make this power creep issue go away without being swept under the rug and actually fixed it'll just lead to more and more people leaving until there just isn't anyone left to play the game. In reality though all of this does follow the thread though because right now the KDF has aspects that have just been given away to the other faction(s) but yet at the same time being reduced due to the fact of more and more fed stuff like for example nothing like a vesta/aux cannons. Yet I do not see Cryptic giving us Aux cannons to the KDF because it is unique to the vesta/federation which its just a one way street you can giveth and taketh away from the KDF but not the federation.
instead of complaining how about suggesting balanced built vessels for the kdf as well?
There's been alot of threads on the forums in the past years from me and many others suggesting balancing KDF ships with Fed/Rom ones... but i don't rememeber the last time that Cryptic put things on par... of course they did buff very few KDF ships here are there like BoP's but they're still a step backwards in overall statistics.
As for the Aquirius, i will admit it does lack a Battle Cloak that BoP's have enjoy for mutiple first strikes, but the Aquarius Raider is better than BoP's in just about every other stats except Turn Rate which is no longer a real advantage with all the [+Turn] Consoles and Traits thats out there now and more that will come in the future... to me, being a KDF PvP'er for years the biggest problem with BoP's is their Speed which is basically just about the same as most Destroyers, Escorts and Raptors which all have better Hull and Shield Mod, Firepower than BoP's.
If the Aquarius ''Raider'' and other future Federation Raiders (aka ''Light Escorts'') have better Shield Mods than KDF BoP's, i am fine with that since the tradeoff is not having a ''Battle Cloaks''. but i'm not down with Fed Raiders or more Fed Escorts having faster Impulse Mods than KDF BoP Raiders which clearly lacks any defensive stats whatsoever to do anything to survive in PvP warfare in open comabt, nor do we have the ability to use 10 sec Cloaks that Roms could, due to their BOff's space traits.
I will say again that all KDF BoP's do need a buff to their speed mod from 0.20 to around 0.22 (min) or 0.24 (max) due to inferior Shields and Hull... i don't think our KDF BoP's needs a Shield Mod buff since we have a Battle Cloak though.
As for Flanking i doubt Cryptic don't even know what to do with this mechanic. When the Breen Raider first come out it has a 33% Flank dmg and the Dev's said due to it not having a ''Battle Cloak'' well i see the Aquarius don't have a 'Battle Cloak'' yet it carries a 25% dmg Flanking which is the basically same with our KDF Raiders... while i'm not found of the Feds having a ''Raider'' they should add the 33% dmg Flanking on the Aquarius as well, but i think its better revise all Flanking to 25% dmg and remove that stupid PvE/PvP dmg thing and standardnize all dmg... most ppl in PvP are not dumb as AI's (which Geko believe is smart) that will allow Raiders to continue to attack their ship's rear, and to player that is inexperience or slow TRIBBLE$ super tanks... of course if Flanking is revise the Breen Raider would need buffs on its Shields and Impulse Mod.
Right under the bit where Feds get a ship similar to a Fleet Hegh'ta, but before the bit where all uni consoles of 3 minute or longer cooldowns are reduced to 2 minutes. (which is even more frakking broken)
Wait... There is a fleet Hegh'ta? When did that happen?
So KDF, much cry.
Since launch i was playing KDF and we pwnd everything, and as i am aware KDF still do it without problem.
Those "players" that call themself starfleet can not do anything with most powerfull toys they have.
So don't be crying sissys. Punish the Fed
IF you look at what they are doing from a business stand points then it make seance and until about a mount ago i would bash them left and right but hey every last one of us ******** needs to put food on the table for our family's and with that respect I will defend cryptic .......... However they did bring this problem on them self's I for one would be happy with a half as copy and past skin 3 color of the Hegh'ta that they gave to the federation Aquarius escort easy cheap almost no effort slap T6 on it and 1 more rear weapon slot and there you go sad but I'll take it also while there at it how about the K'tinga and Negh'var get a LT. commander and ensign universal Boff stations. once again slap a T6 on them and once again almost no effort. in fact all the fleet ships that we see that coast about 200,000 fleet credits make them zen store ships with a few clicks of the mouse cal it a revamp and slap T5, T5U, T5FU:), and T6 on them and Oh sweet Jesus you revamped the KDF in about a day or two but most defiantly under a week unless you want it tot take that long or longer. Any way they will do what they want to do & go play Neverwinter.
I doubt it's an issue for putting food on the table... that's just a excuse on Cryptic part to hide their Fed bias.
Many Fed ships that came out in the C-Store since the game went F2P i bet did not sell well compare to the Bortasqu and the Mogh, and as for the Sub-faction Rom's i bet sold more T'varo's, Mogai's and Scimitar's than many Fed C-store types... and with that of course we continue to see alot of new Fed ships which many will not sell well and we will still see in the future more Fed ships being revamp compare to old KDF ones which many designs needed em.
It's no doubt that a new KDF/Rom unique and stand out ship can sell just as well as the best Fed ones... mark my words if Cryptic made a Intel BoP+EBC and release on the C-Store sometime in the future (...around 2 years from now) i bet it will outsell all 3 C-store-standalone current Fed Intel Ships combined.
I don't think it'd need the gimmick EBC-just a solid BoP design would work.
One can argue that since BoP's already have a BC, the Intel BoP's just like any classes of ship would get a upgrade on cloak as well to a EBC like Romulans Warbirds.. so i don't think it's a gimmick since BoP's are the first ships in STO that was built around BC's and the dev's design weak stats on BoP's for it. currently stats of the BoP's are somewhat what weak and i don't have faith with Cryptic making it better for Intel BoP's unless all BoP's have more useful and correct buff's than Cryptic gave them previously that can make BoP's what they really are in STO... Hit & Run ships... and not to mention giving the Romulans as the only faction with EBC Intel Ships would make no sense since they're already more powerful than both KDF and Feds overall in statistics when it comes to offense.
This is how i see how the arrangements of Non-Intel Ships and Intel Ships between Faction in term of Cloaking.
Fed Non-Intel Ships that can Cloak > Basic Cloak Console
Fed Intel Ships > Basic Cloak
Rom Non-Intel Warbirds > Battle Cloak
Rom Intel Warbirds > Enhanced Battle Cloak
I do not believe of upgrading Cloaks on Intel Ships just because of their Faction,,, but, upgrading the Cloaks of Intel Ships just because of the Classes they're from.
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Go ahead and delete them. We don't miss KDF "Fed Farmers" in the Red Side of the Neutral Zone anyways :rolleyes:
I only had an Aquarius because I like to show up to STFs in "inferior" ships and do just as well, if not better, than most of the players there. I tried my Fleet Aquarius on Tribble, and I have to say I love it. The ship is definitely not lacking anymore, and I expect more people to use it now.
Having said that, despite being a mainly Fed player, I'm really hoping that post DR launch, Cryptic spends some time to concentrate on the Klingon faction. They've done a good job giving them PvE content to do, now they need some parity with ships and tech. I'm not very worried about the Romulans right now, because a boost to the Klingon side will probably get a number of people to try a K-side Rommy.
I like the Klingon content. I'm not a PvPer, so I don't care about that at all. I don't care that the Federation has a raider. Even though it's one less "unique" (not so much since there was a universal raider anyway) thing they had, I don't think it's any less reason to play a Klingon.
There's only really 2 ways to draw more people to K-side right now: more featured content that puts more spotlight on the Klingon faction; and/or a vast array of fun ships to fly. They've always had the odds against them, as every show centered on Federation characters (naturally), and so that's what people know. But fun ships and ship mechanics will draw enough attention on their own to get some Bat'leths out of the closet.
Wow so you really are as loud as they say mr empty can. KDF loyalist and or exclusive KDF players represent such a small fraction of this game, with so little money being in-put guess what. You matter as much as a pimple on a flee on a horses a$$ in a country we've never heard of. Get over it. as for the whole farmer comment. yes I farm all 3 factions across 10 character since the game launched, my 2nd Fed sci officer in a wells temporal sci vessel would own you 1v1 ANY klink fail boat you whipped out. so your "superior KDF" can suck it. I like having ALL of Trek, not just one obscure faction. Oh yea ans where exactly do you want all this KDF centric stuff to come from? Its not exact;y like ANY of the shows really centered around anything but the Feds.... Open eyes and shut mouth.
Wow, such profound elloquence in your expression, you must be a scholar! :rolleyes:
A scholar and a true forum warrior! Huzzah!
Have you deleted your KDF toons or are you just going to mew around like a homeless, starving cat??? :cool:
Put your money where your mouth is and delete your KDF Farming Toons. Please, go ahead, nobody gives a ****.
You go into the thread puffing out your chest, strutting around the top of the fence like some alley cat proclaiming that you hate the KDF enough that you should delete your KDF toons. Well???? Have you done it or are you just going to keep pacing back and forth like a noisy cat until someone throws a shoe at you?
They could do the same way they dealt with Cruisers and the Warbird singularity issue. Make some adjustments where you have commands for klingon birds of prey. To balance it out without changing too much of the bops we already have there could be a sliding damage scale in regards to how much ships like romulan warbirds with 5 tact consoles and those cloak ambush duration extending reman boffs do and maybe scale the damage so as the battle cloak cool down depending on how many seconds it has left the extra damage is reduced gradually as it comes closer to being able to be used again as pretty decent hit and run design. Then for a couple more options they can use the same premise but make some engineering and science viable options so that we can use bops in their intended role of being something that was the counter balance to the abundance of science ships the federation has to balance them out.
The other off topic proposal I have for KDF, romulans, and future factions though so its not perceived as they hate kdf or they hate romulans. Design a new flexible system when something is released being that it takes quite a while per ship. Being also most KDF and romulan players are Trek fans and will mostly always play their factions canon ships. So a new design making it flexible to modify the KDF, romulan, and future factions to where when these new fed ships are bought that you can hit the claim button but it gives you some kind of item like a space weapon, console, etc.
I do forsee if something isn't done to make this power creep issue go away without being swept under the rug and actually fixed it'll just lead to more and more people leaving until there just isn't anyone left to play the game. In reality though all of this does follow the thread though because right now the KDF has aspects that have just been given away to the other faction(s) but yet at the same time being reduced due to the fact of more and more fed stuff like for example nothing like a vesta/aux cannons. Yet I do not see Cryptic giving us Aux cannons to the KDF because it is unique to the vesta/federation which its just a one way street you can giveth and taketh away from the KDF but not the federation.
There's been alot of threads on the forums in the past years from me and many others suggesting balancing KDF ships with Fed/Rom ones... but i don't rememeber the last time that Cryptic put things on par... of course they did buff very few KDF ships here are there like BoP's but they're still a step backwards in overall statistics.
As for the Aquirius, i will admit it does lack a Battle Cloak that BoP's have enjoy for mutiple first strikes, but the Aquarius Raider is better than BoP's in just about every other stats except Turn Rate which is no longer a real advantage with all the [+Turn] Consoles and Traits thats out there now and more that will come in the future... to me, being a KDF PvP'er for years the biggest problem with BoP's is their Speed which is basically just about the same as most Destroyers, Escorts and Raptors which all have better Hull and Shield Mod, Firepower than BoP's.
If the Aquarius ''Raider'' and other future Federation Raiders (aka ''Light Escorts'') have better Shield Mods than KDF BoP's, i am fine with that since the tradeoff is not having a ''Battle Cloaks''. but i'm not down with Fed Raiders or more Fed Escorts having faster Impulse Mods than KDF BoP Raiders which clearly lacks any defensive stats whatsoever to do anything to survive in PvP warfare in open comabt, nor do we have the ability to use 10 sec Cloaks that Roms could, due to their BOff's space traits.
I will say again that all KDF BoP's do need a buff to their speed mod from 0.20 to around 0.22 (min) or 0.24 (max) due to inferior Shields and Hull... i don't think our KDF BoP's needs a Shield Mod buff since we have a Battle Cloak though.
As for Flanking i doubt Cryptic don't even know what to do with this mechanic. When the Breen Raider first come out it has a 33% Flank dmg and the Dev's said due to it not having a ''Battle Cloak'' well i see the Aquarius don't have a 'Battle Cloak'' yet it carries a 25% dmg Flanking which is the basically same with our KDF Raiders... while i'm not found of the Feds having a ''Raider'' they should add the 33% dmg Flanking on the Aquarius as well, but i think its better revise all Flanking to 25% dmg and remove that stupid PvE/PvP dmg thing and standardnize all dmg... most ppl in PvP are not dumb as AI's (which Geko believe is smart) that will allow Raiders to continue to attack their ship's rear, and to player that is inexperience or slow TRIBBLE$ super tanks... of course if Flanking is revise the Breen Raider would need buffs on its Shields and Impulse Mod.
Wait... There is a fleet Hegh'ta? When did that happen?
There's going to be no Fleet Hegh'ta ATM. We'll get it when we get the Fleet Guramba :cool:
Cryptic made a Fleet Hegh'ta, and then gave it to the Feds. See the linked BoP stats on page 1.
Since launch i was playing KDF and we pwnd everything, and as i am aware KDF still do it without problem.
Those "players" that call themself starfleet can not do anything with most powerfull toys they have.
So don't be crying sissys. Punish the Fed
Many Fed ships that came out in the C-Store since the game went F2P i bet did not sell well compare to the Bortasqu and the Mogh, and as for the Sub-faction Rom's i bet sold more T'varo's, Mogai's and Scimitar's than many Fed C-store types... and with that of course we continue to see alot of new Fed ships which many will not sell well and we will still see in the future more Fed ships being revamp compare to old KDF ones which many designs needed em.
It's no doubt that a new KDF/Rom unique and stand out ship can sell just as well as the best Fed ones... mark my words if Cryptic made a Intel BoP+EBC and release on the C-Store sometime in the future (...around 2 years from now) i bet it will outsell all 3 C-store-standalone current Fed Intel Ships combined.
One can argue that since BoP's already have a BC, the Intel BoP's just like any classes of ship would get a upgrade on cloak as well to a EBC like Romulans Warbirds.. so i don't think it's a gimmick since BoP's are the first ships in STO that was built around BC's and the dev's design weak stats on BoP's for it. currently stats of the BoP's are somewhat what weak and i don't have faith with Cryptic making it better for Intel BoP's unless all BoP's have more useful and correct buff's than Cryptic gave them previously that can make BoP's what they really are in STO... Hit & Run ships... and not to mention giving the Romulans as the only faction with EBC Intel Ships would make no sense since they're already more powerful than both KDF and Feds overall in statistics when it comes to offense.
This is how i see how the arrangements of Non-Intel Ships and Intel Ships between Faction in term of Cloaking.
Fed Non-Intel Ships that can Cloak > Basic Cloak Console
Fed Intel Ships > Basic Cloak
KDF Non-Intel Raptors & Battle Cruisers > Basic Cloak
KDF Intel Raptors & Battle Cruisers > Battle Cloak
KDF Non-Intel BoP's > Battle Cloak
KDF Intel BoP's > Enahnced Battle Cloak
Rom Non-Intel Warbirds > Battle Cloak
Rom Intel Warbirds > Enhanced Battle Cloak
I do not believe of upgrading Cloaks on Intel Ships just because of their Faction,,, but, upgrading the Cloaks of Intel Ships just because of the Classes they're from.