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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I give this thing just a couple days while people rush to buy it or use it if they already have it before they drop it and/or start complaining about how it is 'too weak' and wanting it further buffed.

    On the plus side, with nothing left to give up, aside from the junkier consoles we have left (except maybe Magnetometric Overload, that one isn't bad), there's not much really.

    Time to sit back and watch the whinier Feds scramble to find things to try and take from us (and now as well the Romulans) along with making up more reasons why they feel it's justified for KDF to get nothing, claiming superiority, etc etc.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Phantom - Cloak
    Eclipse - Cloak
    Scryer - Cloak
    Qib - Battle Cloak
    Faeht - Enhanced Battle Cloak

    As for the Roms, neither the R'Mor nor Talvath even have a cloak (copypasta Temporal Sci/Destroyer stuff)...but yeah, everything else.

    The intel concept makes no sense...

    Intel Tactical Ships, Intel Cruisers and maybe future Intel Sci ships would make non-Intel ships obsolete... a poor understanding on Cryptic's part... the cloak arrangements depending on faction is just plain stupid.
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    You know what I hate? They're not giving the KDF any good consoles from the fed side, in return. Or the rom side, even. My KDF would love to have a TDS, a nadion saturation bomb, an NX-style grappler hook (aka tractor beam), a wide angle quantum, or worker bees that follow you or a friend around and heal you, a nadeon detonator console, or a sympathetic fermion transceiver, an ablative armor console.


    Instead, they take plasmonic from KDF and give us..... a tier1 recycle-fodder "have some power for a short time" battery-wannabe console?

    Blah. TRIBBLE that.

    It's not a problem of taking from the KDF. It's taking ALL and giving NOTHING in return. That's the problem.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Feds will be wanting playable Orions next and will probably get it.:rolleyes:
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The intel concept makes no sense...

    Intel Tactical Ships, Intel Cruisers and maybe future Intel Sci ships would make non-Intel ships obsolete... a poor understanding on Cryptic's part... the cloak arrangements depending on faction is just plain stupid.

    I think that's the aim ;)

    The idea is not for you to continue using whatever fancy ship you have now.

    The idea is to nudge you ever more, over time, to get you to go T6. This was immediately apparent to me when I heard of Exp2 and that the level cap was being raised. It's just like when the game raised from Lv40 cap to Lv50. Those freebie Lv40 ships everybody derides now were the top of the game back then. Many people proudly sported their default Hegh'ta BOPs, Vor'Cha & Negh'Var Retrofits, Assault Cruisers, Star Cruisers, etc. Today, nobody with any time in the game would be caught dead flying those freebie Lv40 ships (except for the Vo'Quv, a testament to a good ship).

    That same march will continue on with DR, and that's how current T5 ships are going to be treated.

    Oh, I will say this... call my cynical, but I *DO* believe that the current T5 ships will become true T6 ships later on. But they will be entirely new purchases altogether.
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Feds will be wanting playable Orions next and will probably get it.:rolleyes:

    They got Carriers from the KDF
    They got the KDF's best Consoles
    They got Battlecruisers from the KDF
    They got Cloaks. And with DR, 3 new ships with Cloaks.
    They just got a Faction Raider

    I'll leave it to you what's going to happen.
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  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    Yep: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1238751

    Right under the bit where Feds get a ship similar to a Fleet Hegh'ta, but before the bit where all uni consoles of 3 minute or longer cooldowns are reduced to 2 minutes. (which is even more frakking broken)



    The D'kyr needed some love anyway, but the problem comes when ships that need tlc don't get it and ones that don't do. which is what happens most often


    (wouldn't panic too much though it's still only on tribble)
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    astro2244 wrote: »
    The D'kyr needed some love anyway, but the problem comes when ships that need tlc don't get it and ones that don't do. which is what happens most often


    (wouldn't panic too much though it's still only on tribble)

    Have to wonder if this means they'll perhaps drop out a Fleet D'Kyr (and also the Fleet Guramba and Fleet Marauder - since these three ships are the only Zen boats without a Fleet-level variant).
  • strykewolf67strykewolf67 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I play, primarily, feds. I disagree with them getting raider and cloak.
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  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Fleet Aquarius Light Escort vs. Fleet HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey

    +0.03 Hull Mod
    +0.11 Shield Mod
    -25 Crew (yes, with the borked crew system lesser is better)
    +1 Eng Console
    -1 Sci Console
    -1 Turn
    +0.02 Impulse Mod
    +10 Inertia
    +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase)
    -Battle Cloak
    -Improved Ambush? (assumption)

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X
    X


    vs.

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X


    Fleet Aquarius Light Escort vs. Fleet Norgh Bird-of-Prey

    +0.03 Hull Mod
    +0.11 Shield Mod
    -25 Crew (yes, with the borked crew system lesser is better)
    +1 Tac Console
    +1 Eng Console
    -1 Sci Console
    -2 Turn
    +0.02 Impulse Mod
    +10 Inertia
    +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase)
    -Battle Cloak
    -Improved Ambush? (assumption)

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X
    X


    vs.

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X


    Fleet Aquarius Light Destroyer vs. Fleet B'rel Bird-of-Prey Retrofit

    +0.03 Hull Mod
    +0.11 Shield Mod
    +20 Crew (yes, with the borked crew system more is a bad thing)
    +1 Tac Console
    -1 Sci Console
    -3 Turn
    +0.02 Impulse Mod
    +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase)
    -Enhanced Battle Cloak
    -Improved Ambush? (assumption)

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X
    X


    vs.

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X


    Fleet Aquarius Light Escort vs. Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider

    -0.055 Hull Mod
    +0.11 Shield Mod
    -1 Tac Console
    +2 Eng Console
    -1 Sci Console
    +1 Turn
    +0.01 Impulse Mod
    +5 Inertia
    +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase)
    -Breen Sensor Disruption Field Console

    (same BOFF layout)

    I'd be all rawr and whatnot, but Cryptic beat me back with the T6 ship stuff...2-3 weeks back I deleted all my KDF and rolled a Fed Klingon.

    Don't forget the +1 BOff Station advantage for the Aquarius over BoP's which in turn = 1 more extra Space Trait such as Human BOff ''Leadership'' (More Hull Regen & Subsystem Repair) or Embassay Romulan BOff ''Superior Operative'' (+2% Crit Hits and 5% Crit Dmg).
  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Am I the only one who hates the Tribalism that has appeared in this game? Seriously the feds getting a raider does not effect if your BoP works or not.

    I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.

    This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.
  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Am I the only one who hates the Tribalism that has appeared in this game? Seriously the feds getting a raider does not effect if your BoP works or not.

    I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.

    This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.

    It directly affects incentive to play KDF characters. This lowers the chance of people even considering KDF characters, which they might if there were things you could only get by doing so.

    This, in turn, lowers the percentage of KDF players, which lowers the chances of further KDF content/items available ("Not enough people play that, so we aren't putting time into it").
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Am I the only one who hates the Tribalism that has appeared in this game? Seriously the feds getting a raider does not effect if your BoP works or not.

    I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.

    This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.


    i clicked quote and started to rant off on this guy. then figured why bother it not going to change his mind or others that feel the way he does.
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    well, i suppose orion race is something feddies have cried for but havent received... yet.
    and it seems they are running out of things to demand. in recent months i have seen two separate campaigns for 'feddie access to qonos', so they look to want qonos itself now.

    no doubt they will have both soon enough.
    cryptic ****ing disgust me.
  • jadz3jadz3 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Whoever said the Aquarius will be better than any BoP where Raiders are concerned stat wise... You obviously don't know how to fly a BoP. If you discount the battle cloak you really should just quit playing. Battle Cloak is what makes the BoP; that decloaking bonus damage is a HUGE deal, I just don't think you realize how much. Being able to drop a ton of damage on someone/something and then get away alive to do it again...big deal there.
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't really have a problem with cryptic fixing the aquarius since the ship was garbage as it was...BUT...why exactly does it have the ability to use a cloaking device? Bleh...disappointing.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    nikephorus wrote: »
    I don't really have a problem with cryptic fixing the aquarius since the ship was garbage as it was...BUT...why exactly does it have the ability to use a cloaking device? Bleh...disappointing.

    because clearly a group of peaceful explorers and diplomats need to sneak into an area undetected to blow things up. across several ships all of whom are arguably more powerful then the ship of a militant race bent on conquest. that makes sense right?

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    patrickngo wrote: »

    The rest comes after you decloak, in that eighteen second window and the two or three seconds before and after when you're visible, but have no shields. If you're not the fastest thing on the board, you're in trouble when the other side has someone who can run you down.

    It's why killing a JHAS with a Norgh is an accomplishment unless the Bugship driver's a total doofus.

    That 18 seconds between being able to hit the cloak button on a BOP in PVP is the longest 18 seconds you'll experience in STO. Guaranteed.

    The speed of the BOPs are average.

    The turn of the BOPs are outstanding, but in today's STO, that accounts for ****. When you have all those ships running some form of EPTE and/or A2D, that turn advantage has been greatly reduced.

    And BOP in an Arena match is nothing but a detriment to his own team. The style of play demanded of a BOP forces it to break off for long periods before returning to the fight. It has absolutely zero staying power in a fight. It never has in years and years. This is only lessened a bit by the B'Rel with its EBC. But all while the BOP is away trying to repair its heavy damage, the rest of the team is fighting a 4 vs 5 fight.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    That 18 seconds between being able to hit the cloak button on a BOP in PVP is the longest 18 seconds you'll experience in STO. Guaranteed.

    The speed of the BOPs are average.

    The turn of the BOPs are outstanding, but in today's STO, that accounts for ****. When you have all those ships running some form of EPTE and/or A2D, that turn advantage has been greatly reduced.

    And BOP in an Arena match is nothing but a detriment to his own team. The style of play demanded of a BOP forces it to break off for long periods before returning to the fight. It has absolutely zero staying power in a fight. It never has in years and years. This is only lessened a bit by the B'Rel with its EBC. But all while the BOP is away trying to repair its heavy damage, the rest of the team is fighting a 4 vs 5 fight.

    Yeah to some degree this is the same in pve too lol.

    They pretty much have put zero development into this lol. Is one reason I won't be playing deltafailing.
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I, too, hate that it got the cloak... BUT...

    Here's the thing. As mentioned, after the Plesh Brek, folks used it in droves. Then stopped. Why? It has no cloak. When you have a paper thin hull and your entire point is that you hit hard from one angle, you NEED the ability to manuever safely to GET into that angle. There are other drawbacks and balances (i.e. cloak cooldown timers, no shields when cloaking, all those things). BUT.... if you're just an escort that can't withstand even a basic voth alpha strike, or an undine spam attack? You're f***ing useless. And that's the problem with the Plesh Brek. The hull and non-cloak means you'll never get into position to BE a raider.


    So....

    I hate to say it, the Aquarius (IF we agree that it is going to be a raider) needs a cloak. It would just be an escort without it.


    (Which, IMO, it should be. Just make it the damned escort it was intended!)


    So yes, on the one hand I'm annoyed they made it take the cloaking console, but on the other, IF they're going to make it a raider, that's the only way in hell it would work. I just wish they'd give us some reciprocity. Give us a BoP with (mostly) fixed escort seating but an extra boff seat and aft weapon.
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Today marks the day when the final nail went into the coffin that is the KDF; STO devs have sold and given away nearly everything that is unique about the the klingon faction and yet, have no justification for it. Originally, the KDF was promised parity but then it was relegated to a monster faction. Now, it is no longer even a monster faction because it's pathetic even in pvp. Well done; greed and lack of originality have triumphed over creativity and faction uniqueness.

    I'm curious, how can a federation ship be considered a raider when in lore raiding is synonymous with terrorism or marauding?
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    Today marks the day when the final nail went into the coffin that is the KDF; STO devs have sold and given away nearly everything that is unique about the the klingon faction and yet, have no justification for it. Originally, the KDF was promised parity but then it was relegated to a monster faction. Now, it is no longer even a monster faction because it's pathetic even in pvp. Well done; greed and lack of originality have triumphed over creativity and faction uniqueness.

    I'm curious, how can a federation ship be considered a raider when in lore raiding is synonymous with terrorism or marauding?

    Yeah they give away everything lol.

    On the raiding it was basically because the ship had same weapons layout so all these people were QQ'ing about that it was a raider without the flanking benefit. In which when you are actually trying to hit the facing its hard to see when you are in the midst of combat spam and the facing animation is now broken. Originally they said there would be animation to clearly see the rear facing but that never happened.

    The second thing is that now the flanking was a nice touch but the idea on paper was to give it a dps edge. The missing piece is being able to utilize a battle cloak to match that where we should have something similar to infiltration that remans have but we don't and most likely never will. This though is the main reason I won't be involved with delta failing because it would make sense to use bop there for hit and run attacks since they don't have any staying around power. Unless there is some super secret thing that helps bops out they haven't released in a blog yet its just not gonna fly with me personally so it'll be one less person of the 18% lol.
  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Forgive the intrusion, but as a Federation side-only player, I see way too much hate from here. Really, on Fed side you think we're all idiots that deserve nothing? Breaking news, nearly no one hates KDF in Federation Fleets. They just don't care about these issues. Then you come here and see rant threads about changes.

    Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.

    You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.
  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I find this infuriating. My expectations concerning the introduction of new ships for DR had me prepared so I was neither disappointed or surprised. In this case I really shouldn't have been surprised but there it is.

    The justifications for the State of BoPs are for the most part invalidated by this modification to the Aquarius. What's more if there were any reason for a player who has trialed the federation and might consider the KDF for a change in their style of play they are no longer there. If the decision makers have a bias against the faction I would have at least expected some dialogue with someone in marketing that might have prevented this. By keeping players who have a general interest in STO under the aegis of the Federation and within a comfort zone there is no reasonable possibility of growth of the KDF. There is a difference between indifferent support of a faction and actively undermining it.
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  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Forgive the intrusion, but as a Federation side-only player, I see way too much hate from here. Really, on Fed side you think we're all idiots that deserve nothing? Breaking news, nearly no one hates KDF in Federation Fleets. They just don't care about these issues. Then you come here and see rant threads about changes.

    Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.

    You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.

    I can't stress enough that you're missing the point entirely.
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Forgive the intrusion, but as a Federation side-only player, I see way too much hate from here. Really, on Fed side you think we're all idiots that deserve nothing? Breaking news, nearly no one hates KDF in Federation Fleets. They just don't care about these issues. Then you come here and see rant threads about changes.

    Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.

    You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.

    oh **** off
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I'm a bit taken back with all the upgrades the Aquarius escort is being given but this move by Cryptic was to be expected.

    It's a short work high return cash grab that will have no real down side for them and the Fed BOP is going to sell like crazy until the novelty of it wears off and then it will be given a Battle Cloak ;P

    Everything that was unique to the KDF faction is pretty much now gone and been made available to the Feds in some way or another; however, this would not be so bad if the KDF got some of the better Fed goodies in return but that's far from the case.

    I'm still waiting for the KDF answer to the MVA :mad:

    oh well the bright side of things is the KDF has nothing let to take that really stands out so it will soon be the Romulans turn to see their best bits and pieces served up to the Federation in exchange for some pocket lint and some ABC gum ;)
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    oh **** off

    roflmao...

    Well we can't all be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I'm thinking of maybe a spoon? or maybe just a straw.
  • ddemlongddemlong Member Posts: 294
    edited October 2014
    KDF is shafted once again.

    Guess its time to stop playing period.
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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    oh **** off

    See? I'm always right! :P
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