Intel Tactical Ships, Intel Cruisers and maybe future Intel Sci ships would make non-Intel ships obsolete... a poor understanding on Cryptic's part... the cloak arrangements depending on faction is just plain stupid.
I think that's the aim
The idea is not for you to continue using whatever fancy ship you have now.
The idea is to nudge you ever more, over time, to get you to go T6. This was immediately apparent to me when I heard of Exp2 and that the level cap was being raised. It's just like when the game raised from Lv40 cap to Lv50. Those freebie Lv40 ships everybody derides now were the top of the game back then. Many people proudly sported their default Hegh'ta BOPs, Vor'Cha & Negh'Var Retrofits, Assault Cruisers, Star Cruisers, etc. Today, nobody with any time in the game would be caught dead flying those freebie Lv40 ships (except for the Vo'Quv, a testament to a good ship).
That same march will continue on with DR, and that's how current T5 ships are going to be treated.
Oh, I will say this... call my cynical, but I *DO* believe that the current T5 ships will become true T6 ships later on. But they will be entirely new purchases altogether.
Feds will be wanting playable Orions next and will probably get it.:rolleyes:
They got Carriers from the KDF
They got the KDF's best Consoles
They got Battlecruisers from the KDF
They got Cloaks. And with DR, 3 new ships with Cloaks.
They just got a Faction Raider
Right under the bit where Feds get a ship similar to a Fleet Hegh'ta, but before the bit where all uni consoles of 3 minute or longer cooldowns are reduced to 2 minutes. (which is even more frakking broken)
The D'kyr needed some love anyway, but the problem comes when ships that need tlc don't get it and ones that don't do. which is what happens most often
(wouldn't panic too much though it's still only on tribble)
The D'kyr needed some love anyway, but the problem comes when ships that need tlc don't get it and ones that don't do. which is what happens most often
(wouldn't panic too much though it's still only on tribble)
Have to wonder if this means they'll perhaps drop out a Fleet D'Kyr (and also the Fleet Guramba and Fleet Marauder - since these three ships are the only Zen boats without a Fleet-level variant).
Fleet Aquarius Light Escort vs. Fleet HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey
+0.03 Hull Mod +0.11 Shield Mod -25 Crew(yes, with the borked crew system lesser is better) +1 Eng Console -1 Sci Console -1 Turn +0.02 Impulse Mod +10 Inertia +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase) -Battle Cloak -Improved Ambush? (assumption)
X, X, X, X X, X, X
X, X
X, X
X
vs.
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
X, X
Fleet Aquarius Light Escort vs. Fleet Norgh Bird-of-Prey
+0.03 Hull Mod +0.11 Shield Mod -25 Crew(yes, with the borked crew system lesser is better) +1 Tac Console +1 Eng Console -1 Sci Console -2 Turn +0.02 Impulse Mod +10 Inertia +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase) -Battle Cloak -Improved Ambush? (assumption)
X, X, X, X X, X, X
X, X
X, X
X
vs.
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
Fleet Aquarius Light Destroyer vs. Fleet B'rel Bird-of-Prey Retrofit
+0.03 Hull Mod +0.11 Shield Mod +20 Crew (yes, with the borked crew system more is a bad thing) +1 Tac Console -1 Sci Console -3 Turn +0.02 Impulse Mod +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase) -Enhanced Battle Cloak -Improved Ambush? (assumption)
X, X, X, X X, X, X
X, X
X, X
X
vs.
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
X, X
Fleet Aquarius Light Escort vs. Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider
-0.055 Hull Mod +0.11 Shield Mod -1 Tac Console +2 Eng Console -1 Sci Console +1 Turn +0.01 Impulse Mod +5 Inertia +Slottable Federation Cloaking Device (uses console slot, separate purchase) -Breen Sensor Disruption Field Console
(same BOFF layout)
I'd be all rawr and whatnot, but Cryptic beat me back with the T6 ship stuff...2-3 weeks back I deleted all my KDF and rolled a Fed Klingon.
Don't forget the +1 BOff Station advantage for the Aquarius over BoP's which in turn = 1 more extra Space Trait such as Human BOff ''Leadership'' (More Hull Regen & Subsystem Repair) or Embassay Romulan BOff ''Superior Operative'' (+2% Crit Hits and 5% Crit Dmg).
Am I the only one who hates the Tribalism that has appeared in this game? Seriously the feds getting a raider does not effect if your BoP works or not.
I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.
This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.
Am I the only one who hates the Tribalism that has appeared in this game? Seriously the feds getting a raider does not effect if your BoP works or not.
I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.
This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.
It directly affects incentive to play KDF characters. This lowers the chance of people even considering KDF characters, which they might if there were things you could only get by doing so.
This, in turn, lowers the percentage of KDF players, which lowers the chances of further KDF content/items available ("Not enough people play that, so we aren't putting time into it").
Am I the only one who hates the Tribalism that has appeared in this game? Seriously the feds getting a raider does not effect if your BoP works or not.
I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.
This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.
i clicked quote and started to rant off on this guy. then figured why bother it not going to change his mind or others that feel the way he does.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
well, i suppose orion race is something feddies have cried for but havent received... yet.
and it seems they are running out of things to demand. in recent months i have seen two separate campaigns for 'feddie access to qonos', so they look to want qonos itself now.
no doubt they will have both soon enough.
cryptic ****ing disgust me.
Whoever said the Aquarius will be better than any BoP where Raiders are concerned stat wise... You obviously don't know how to fly a BoP. If you discount the battle cloak you really should just quit playing. Battle Cloak is what makes the BoP; that decloaking bonus damage is a HUGE deal, I just don't think you realize how much. Being able to drop a ton of damage on someone/something and then get away alive to do it again...big deal there.
I don't really have a problem with cryptic fixing the aquarius since the ship was garbage as it was...BUT...why exactly does it have the ability to use a cloaking device? Bleh...disappointing.
I don't really have a problem with cryptic fixing the aquarius since the ship was garbage as it was...BUT...why exactly does it have the ability to use a cloaking device? Bleh...disappointing.
because clearly a group of peaceful explorers and diplomats need to sneak into an area undetected to blow things up. across several ships all of whom are arguably more powerful then the ship of a militant race bent on conquest. that makes sense right?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
The rest comes after you decloak, in that eighteen second window and the two or three seconds before and after when you're visible, but have no shields. If you're not the fastest thing on the board, you're in trouble when the other side has someone who can run you down.
It's why killing a JHAS with a Norgh is an accomplishment unless the Bugship driver's a total doofus.
That 18 seconds between being able to hit the cloak button on a BOP in PVP is the longest 18 seconds you'll experience in STO. Guaranteed.
The speed of the BOPs are average.
The turn of the BOPs are outstanding, but in today's STO, that accounts for ****. When you have all those ships running some form of EPTE and/or A2D, that turn advantage has been greatly reduced.
And BOP in an Arena match is nothing but a detriment to his own team. The style of play demanded of a BOP forces it to break off for long periods before returning to the fight. It has absolutely zero staying power in a fight. It never has in years and years. This is only lessened a bit by the B'Rel with its EBC. But all while the BOP is away trying to repair its heavy damage, the rest of the team is fighting a 4 vs 5 fight.
That 18 seconds between being able to hit the cloak button on a BOP in PVP is the longest 18 seconds you'll experience in STO. Guaranteed.
The speed of the BOPs are average.
The turn of the BOPs are outstanding, but in today's STO, that accounts for ****. When you have all those ships running some form of EPTE and/or A2D, that turn advantage has been greatly reduced.
And BOP in an Arena match is nothing but a detriment to his own team. The style of play demanded of a BOP forces it to break off for long periods before returning to the fight. It has absolutely zero staying power in a fight. It never has in years and years. This is only lessened a bit by the B'Rel with its EBC. But all while the BOP is away trying to repair its heavy damage, the rest of the team is fighting a 4 vs 5 fight.
Yeah to some degree this is the same in pve too lol.
They pretty much have put zero development into this lol. Is one reason I won't be playing deltafailing.
Here's the thing. As mentioned, after the Plesh Brek, folks used it in droves. Then stopped. Why? It has no cloak. When you have a paper thin hull and your entire point is that you hit hard from one angle, you NEED the ability to manuever safely to GET into that angle. There are other drawbacks and balances (i.e. cloak cooldown timers, no shields when cloaking, all those things). BUT.... if you're just an escort that can't withstand even a basic voth alpha strike, or an undine spam attack? You're f***ing useless. And that's the problem with the Plesh Brek. The hull and non-cloak means you'll never get into position to BE a raider.
So....
I hate to say it, the Aquarius (IF we agree that it is going to be a raider) needs a cloak. It would just be an escort without it.
(Which, IMO, it should be. Just make it the damned escort it was intended!)
So yes, on the one hand I'm annoyed they made it take the cloaking console, but on the other, IF they're going to make it a raider, that's the only way in hell it would work. I just wish they'd give us some reciprocity. Give us a BoP with (mostly) fixed escort seating but an extra boff seat and aft weapon.
Today marks the day when the final nail went into the coffin that is the KDF; STO devs have sold and given away nearly everything that is unique about the the klingon faction and yet, have no justification for it. Originally, the KDF was promised parity but then it was relegated to a monster faction. Now, it is no longer even a monster faction because it's pathetic even in pvp. Well done; greed and lack of originality have triumphed over creativity and faction uniqueness.
I'm curious, how can a federation ship be considered a raider when in lore raiding is synonymous with terrorism or marauding?
Today marks the day when the final nail went into the coffin that is the KDF; STO devs have sold and given away nearly everything that is unique about the the klingon faction and yet, have no justification for it. Originally, the KDF was promised parity but then it was relegated to a monster faction. Now, it is no longer even a monster faction because it's pathetic even in pvp. Well done; greed and lack of originality have triumphed over creativity and faction uniqueness.
I'm curious, how can a federation ship be considered a raider when in lore raiding is synonymous with terrorism or marauding?
Yeah they give away everything lol.
On the raiding it was basically because the ship had same weapons layout so all these people were QQ'ing about that it was a raider without the flanking benefit. In which when you are actually trying to hit the facing its hard to see when you are in the midst of combat spam and the facing animation is now broken. Originally they said there would be animation to clearly see the rear facing but that never happened.
The second thing is that now the flanking was a nice touch but the idea on paper was to give it a dps edge. The missing piece is being able to utilize a battle cloak to match that where we should have something similar to infiltration that remans have but we don't and most likely never will. This though is the main reason I won't be involved with delta failing because it would make sense to use bop there for hit and run attacks since they don't have any staying around power. Unless there is some super secret thing that helps bops out they haven't released in a blog yet its just not gonna fly with me personally so it'll be one less person of the 18% lol.
Forgive the intrusion, but as a Federation side-only player, I see way too much hate from here. Really, on Fed side you think we're all idiots that deserve nothing? Breaking news, nearly no one hates KDF in Federation Fleets. They just don't care about these issues. Then you come here and see rant threads about changes.
Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.
You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.
I find this infuriating. My expectations concerning the introduction of new ships for DR had me prepared so I was neither disappointed or surprised. In this case I really shouldn't have been surprised but there it is.
The justifications for the State of BoPs are for the most part invalidated by this modification to the Aquarius. What's more if there were any reason for a player who has trialed the federation and might consider the KDF for a change in their style of play they are no longer there. If the decision makers have a bias against the faction I would have at least expected some dialogue with someone in marketing that might have prevented this. By keeping players who have a general interest in STO under the aegis of the Federation and within a comfort zone there is no reasonable possibility of growth of the KDF. There is a difference between indifferent support of a faction and actively undermining it.
Forgive the intrusion, but as a Federation side-only player, I see way too much hate from here. Really, on Fed side you think we're all idiots that deserve nothing? Breaking news, nearly no one hates KDF in Federation Fleets. They just don't care about these issues. Then you come here and see rant threads about changes.
Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.
You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.
I can't stress enough that you're missing the point entirely.
Forgive the intrusion, but as a Federation side-only player, I see way too much hate from here. Really, on Fed side you think we're all idiots that deserve nothing? Breaking news, nearly no one hates KDF in Federation Fleets. They just don't care about these issues. Then you come here and see rant threads about changes.
Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.
You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.
I'm a bit taken back with all the upgrades the Aquarius escort is being given but this move by Cryptic was to be expected.
It's a short work high return cash grab that will have no real down side for them and the Fed BOP is going to sell like crazy until the novelty of it wears off and then it will be given a Battle Cloak ;P
Everything that was unique to the KDF faction is pretty much now gone and been made available to the Feds in some way or another; however, this would not be so bad if the KDF got some of the better Fed goodies in return but that's far from the case.
I'm still waiting for the KDF answer to the MVA :mad:
oh well the bright side of things is the KDF has nothing let to take that really stands out so it will soon be the Romulans turn to see their best bits and pieces served up to the Federation in exchange for some pocket lint and some ABC gum
It directly affects incentive to play KDF characters. This lowers the chance of people even considering KDF characters, which they might if there were things you could only get by doing so.
This, in turn, lowers the percentage of KDF players, which lowers the chances of further KDF content/items available ("Not enough people play that, so we aren't putting time into it").
I play a KDF character. I have had him since before the KDF even really had any true PvE content at all. It amuses me that he is max level and still has all the intro tutorial type missions sitting there. Nothing that has come out has driven me to drop the character. Reintroducing the aquarius as a raider does not change that. I still love my b'rel retrofit, I have had it on my character since the original T5 retrofit ships were first introduced with the vice admiral level cap expansion. Back then common concensus was that it wasn't worth it over the hegh'ta. But I liked it anyways, because the B'Rel is just a damn classic. If you want to be really technical, a b'rel bird of prey is the only star trek ship to survive a direct combat engagement with God.
So yeah, anyways, I do take some issue with the statting on the new aquarius here or there. But it's nothing huge, and honestly I don't give a damn that there is a "fed raider". Just like I didn't give a damn that they threw in a fed battlecruiser. One odd man out ship design that attempts to mimic advantages employed by the enemy is natural and logical in war (even though the war is technically off now). But the imitator ships will never capture the identity of the classic klingon ships.
Exactly, BoPs are easy to deal with. A stated, spec into sensors and you can see them coming, spec into it a lot (e.g. Sci in a Nebula with both consoles, 125 Aux, EPTA, Sensor Scan...) and no BoP within 20-25km is safe. (depends on their stealth)
And once you can see them and stop them, the BoP making soggy paper look like granite part comes in - and while one alone Nebula wont have the damage, the rest of the Fedball will. (or at least should)
Cue one dead BoP, as no BoP can survive a protracted fight.
In some ways, a battle-cloak is a disadvantage, especially if your opponent uses Torp Spread and the torps catch up while you are cloaked. (due to its auto-hit component)
ahem...okay, being as you ARE a Fed-only player, your ignorance about the battlecloak can be forgiven-until someone explains to you how easy it is to keep a Bird of Prey from cloaking.
(pardon my saying so, it's not that hard.)
basically, TB1 stops it, but doesn't prevent shields from dropping-and you have 18 seconds minimum (least amount of time) to acquire target and tractor them, and the duration of the TB to finish killing them. If you do it quick, you'll do it before he can get his shields back up.
while cloaked, a BoP has zero shields. NONE. Mines see cloaked ships just fine thankyewverymuch, and all those hits go straight to hull (as well as alerting your opponents as to the general location you're in...direction of flight, etc. etc.)
EPTA and a decent score in sensors will show you a Bird of Prey out to some pretty good distances, depending on if you chose a build with a deflector that includes the (Sen) in it's description, you can get detection out to beyond weapons range.
I havent' even started on uni consoles or things that are profession specific here.
Things that knock a BoP out of cloak?
GW1, 2, and 3 knock cloaked vessels out of cloak to varying ranges.
TBR hits cloaked ships even when they weren't seen by the guy triggering it.
Photonic Shockwave. A cloaked ship bumbling across EWP will be decloaked, and take direct damage to hull...
There's more-and that's none of them profession specific or even ship-specific-except for ships with ONLY a Lt. Sci. bridge officer position.
Thanks but no thanks. As a hardcore Scimitar user I know what brings you out of cloak. What I meant to say is that the Aquarius can't escape as long as you keep it in red alert. Battle Cloak lets you do it at any moment; of course if you're facing someone able to decloak you at will it's like smashing your head on the wall.
If you run the Aquarius as a BoP, and get caught in the getaway, it won't survive.
You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.
Ah, but it's also vice-versa. There is no pure hate aimed at a certain group of players from the majority of people here, but there is a solid group of Federation only players that has been whining for years for everything KDF related. If you're objective, you have to admit that. The problem here is - the developer. When the developer succumbs and does whatever that group that's whining asks for, it irks people. Rubs them the wrong way. And it's completely justifiable.
Now put in this mix the fact that Cryptic says they make so little for the KDF because less players play the faction. Then take a look at the "Delta Operations Pack", where Fed players get more then the 2 other factions combined and 2.5 times more than each.
Like you said, we're all people playing a game including the KDF players. But then I have less chance to enjoy stuff in the game, because I get less. And I get less because less players play the faction. So you tell me, how am I to expect improvement and bringing more people in the faction when everything that's unique is being ported over to team blue and on top of that blue gets 10 times the attention and content in the game? Why would someone, apart from being a ST fan (and Cryptic has done a good job pissing and chasing off a huge portion of those already) choose KDF over Fed, when as a Fed he gets everything + he gets much much more? Let's be real, 50% of the STO playerbase are probably not hardcore Trekkies. Apart from a small number that happen to like the species, they'll chose the faction that gives them everything.
And that's why people get angry. Because the ability of the KDF players to receive enjoyable content is being undermined by the developers themselves.
We wouldn't be so pissed at Fed players if "mommy" Cryptic didn't pamper them so much. They cry a little for something and Cryptic gives that to them on a silver platter. It's infuriating at times and some people project that rage on the group asking for it, because "they took it" while on the other hand there is only one entity responsible for it - Cryptic.
Listen, I don't care if the Feds get a lot of stuff or new stuff or whatever. This does not necessarily have to include undermining the KDF's potential to retain a playerbase. Like errab here hit the nail on the head:
It's a short work high return cash grab that will have no real down side for them and the Fed BOP is going to sell like crazy until the novelty of it wears off and then it will be given a Battle Cloak ;P
It's a lazy cop-out. Just like the "Galaxy Revamp". Copy-paste work for easy cash. Cryptic could have shown some sense for the KDF and proactivity, but this is the way they do stuff. Slap something that you already have prepared for something else like a hangar bay or a cloaking device and call it a day.
They could have turned the Aquarius into something completely unique and new for the Feds, and I doubt that apart for a few "eternal complainers" anyone here would care. But that'd require some actual work on their behalf. Why do that when you can give the shaft to the KDF once again?
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I think that's the aim
The idea is not for you to continue using whatever fancy ship you have now.
The idea is to nudge you ever more, over time, to get you to go T6. This was immediately apparent to me when I heard of Exp2 and that the level cap was being raised. It's just like when the game raised from Lv40 cap to Lv50. Those freebie Lv40 ships everybody derides now were the top of the game back then. Many people proudly sported their default Hegh'ta BOPs, Vor'Cha & Negh'Var Retrofits, Assault Cruisers, Star Cruisers, etc. Today, nobody with any time in the game would be caught dead flying those freebie Lv40 ships (except for the Vo'Quv, a testament to a good ship).
That same march will continue on with DR, and that's how current T5 ships are going to be treated.
Oh, I will say this... call my cynical, but I *DO* believe that the current T5 ships will become true T6 ships later on. But they will be entirely new purchases altogether.
They got Carriers from the KDF
They got the KDF's best Consoles
They got Battlecruisers from the KDF
They got Cloaks. And with DR, 3 new ships with Cloaks.
They just got a Faction Raider
I'll leave it to you what's going to happen.
The D'kyr needed some love anyway, but the problem comes when ships that need tlc don't get it and ones that don't do. which is what happens most often
(wouldn't panic too much though it's still only on tribble)
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Have to wonder if this means they'll perhaps drop out a Fleet D'Kyr (and also the Fleet Guramba and Fleet Marauder - since these three ships are the only Zen boats without a Fleet-level variant).
Sarah Knightly - Co-leader; Frontier Explorers - U.S.S. Witchblade
Rias Gremory - Leader; Frontier Marauders - I.K.S. B'ullwinkle
Don't forget the +1 BOff Station advantage for the Aquarius over BoP's which in turn = 1 more extra Space Trait such as Human BOff ''Leadership'' (More Hull Regen & Subsystem Repair) or Embassay Romulan BOff ''Superior Operative'' (+2% Crit Hits and 5% Crit Dmg).
I mostly fly my Fleet Corsair, and if the Feds got a Federation FDC would I get bent? No, it doesn't effect me in the slightest.
This tribalism is an artifical social construct by Cryptic and people need to stop buying into it.
It directly affects incentive to play KDF characters. This lowers the chance of people even considering KDF characters, which they might if there were things you could only get by doing so.
This, in turn, lowers the percentage of KDF players, which lowers the chances of further KDF content/items available ("Not enough people play that, so we aren't putting time into it").
i clicked quote and started to rant off on this guy. then figured why bother it not going to change his mind or others that feel the way he does.
and it seems they are running out of things to demand. in recent months i have seen two separate campaigns for 'feddie access to qonos', so they look to want qonos itself now.
no doubt they will have both soon enough.
cryptic ****ing disgust me.
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because clearly a group of peaceful explorers and diplomats need to sneak into an area undetected to blow things up. across several ships all of whom are arguably more powerful then the ship of a militant race bent on conquest. that makes sense right?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
That 18 seconds between being able to hit the cloak button on a BOP in PVP is the longest 18 seconds you'll experience in STO. Guaranteed.
The speed of the BOPs are average.
The turn of the BOPs are outstanding, but in today's STO, that accounts for ****. When you have all those ships running some form of EPTE and/or A2D, that turn advantage has been greatly reduced.
And BOP in an Arena match is nothing but a detriment to his own team. The style of play demanded of a BOP forces it to break off for long periods before returning to the fight. It has absolutely zero staying power in a fight. It never has in years and years. This is only lessened a bit by the B'Rel with its EBC. But all while the BOP is away trying to repair its heavy damage, the rest of the team is fighting a 4 vs 5 fight.
Yeah to some degree this is the same in pve too lol.
They pretty much have put zero development into this lol. Is one reason I won't be playing deltafailing.
Here's the thing. As mentioned, after the Plesh Brek, folks used it in droves. Then stopped. Why? It has no cloak. When you have a paper thin hull and your entire point is that you hit hard from one angle, you NEED the ability to manuever safely to GET into that angle. There are other drawbacks and balances (i.e. cloak cooldown timers, no shields when cloaking, all those things). BUT.... if you're just an escort that can't withstand even a basic voth alpha strike, or an undine spam attack? You're f***ing useless. And that's the problem with the Plesh Brek. The hull and non-cloak means you'll never get into position to BE a raider.
So....
I hate to say it, the Aquarius (IF we agree that it is going to be a raider) needs a cloak. It would just be an escort without it.
(Which, IMO, it should be. Just make it the damned escort it was intended!)
So yes, on the one hand I'm annoyed they made it take the cloaking console, but on the other, IF they're going to make it a raider, that's the only way in hell it would work. I just wish they'd give us some reciprocity. Give us a BoP with (mostly) fixed escort seating but an extra boff seat and aft weapon.
I'm curious, how can a federation ship be considered a raider when in lore raiding is synonymous with terrorism or marauding?
Yeah they give away everything lol.
On the raiding it was basically because the ship had same weapons layout so all these people were QQ'ing about that it was a raider without the flanking benefit. In which when you are actually trying to hit the facing its hard to see when you are in the midst of combat spam and the facing animation is now broken. Originally they said there would be animation to clearly see the rear facing but that never happened.
The second thing is that now the flanking was a nice touch but the idea on paper was to give it a dps edge. The missing piece is being able to utilize a battle cloak to match that where we should have something similar to infiltration that remans have but we don't and most likely never will. This though is the main reason I won't be involved with delta failing because it would make sense to use bop there for hit and run attacks since they don't have any staying around power. Unless there is some super secret thing that helps bops out they haven't released in a blog yet its just not gonna fly with me personally so it'll be one less person of the 18% lol.
Wanna know the idea of someone who uses the Cloaking Device regularly? A BoP beats this ship, simply because of battle cloak. If you prevent the Aquarius from cloaking, it will be as good as dead, so deal with it accordingly. The need of using it with a Cloak AND an escape console are a major setback. If you take into account that Cloaking Device has to be purchased from the Defiant or the Galaxy-X, Aquarius is a lightly armed escort, not even that tanky compared to a Tempest.
You're forgetting that behind that ship, captain race, freaking faction and stuff like that, we're all humans playing a game made of many many bits.
The justifications for the State of BoPs are for the most part invalidated by this modification to the Aquarius. What's more if there were any reason for a player who has trialed the federation and might consider the KDF for a change in their style of play they are no longer there. If the decision makers have a bias against the faction I would have at least expected some dialogue with someone in marketing that might have prevented this. By keeping players who have a general interest in STO under the aegis of the Federation and within a comfort zone there is no reasonable possibility of growth of the KDF. There is a difference between indifferent support of a faction and actively undermining it.
I can't stress enough that you're missing the point entirely.
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It's a short work high return cash grab that will have no real down side for them and the Fed BOP is going to sell like crazy until the novelty of it wears off and then it will be given a Battle Cloak ;P
Everything that was unique to the KDF faction is pretty much now gone and been made available to the Feds in some way or another; however, this would not be so bad if the KDF got some of the better Fed goodies in return but that's far from the case.
I'm still waiting for the KDF answer to the MVA :mad:
oh well the bright side of things is the KDF has nothing let to take that really stands out so it will soon be the Romulans turn to see their best bits and pieces served up to the Federation in exchange for some pocket lint and some ABC gum
roflmao...
Well we can't all be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I'm thinking of maybe a spoon? or maybe just a straw.
Guess its time to stop playing period.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 242658 (243540) Kinetic Damage (Critical) to you.
See? I'm always right! :P
I play a KDF character. I have had him since before the KDF even really had any true PvE content at all. It amuses me that he is max level and still has all the intro tutorial type missions sitting there. Nothing that has come out has driven me to drop the character. Reintroducing the aquarius as a raider does not change that. I still love my b'rel retrofit, I have had it on my character since the original T5 retrofit ships were first introduced with the vice admiral level cap expansion. Back then common concensus was that it wasn't worth it over the hegh'ta. But I liked it anyways, because the B'Rel is just a damn classic. If you want to be really technical, a b'rel bird of prey is the only star trek ship to survive a direct combat engagement with God.
So yeah, anyways, I do take some issue with the statting on the new aquarius here or there. But it's nothing huge, and honestly I don't give a damn that there is a "fed raider". Just like I didn't give a damn that they threw in a fed battlecruiser. One odd man out ship design that attempts to mimic advantages employed by the enemy is natural and logical in war (even though the war is technically off now). But the imitator ships will never capture the identity of the classic klingon ships.
Exactly, BoPs are easy to deal with. A stated, spec into sensors and you can see them coming, spec into it a lot (e.g. Sci in a Nebula with both consoles, 125 Aux, EPTA, Sensor Scan...) and no BoP within 20-25km is safe. (depends on their stealth)
And once you can see them and stop them, the BoP making soggy paper look like granite part comes in - and while one alone Nebula wont have the damage, the rest of the Fedball will. (or at least should)
Cue one dead BoP, as no BoP can survive a protracted fight.
In some ways, a battle-cloak is a disadvantage, especially if your opponent uses Torp Spread and the torps catch up while you are cloaked. (due to its auto-hit component)
Thanks but no thanks. As a hardcore Scimitar user I know what brings you out of cloak. What I meant to say is that the Aquarius can't escape as long as you keep it in red alert. Battle Cloak lets you do it at any moment; of course if you're facing someone able to decloak you at will it's like smashing your head on the wall.
If you run the Aquarius as a BoP, and get caught in the getaway, it won't survive.
Ah, but it's also vice-versa. There is no pure hate aimed at a certain group of players from the majority of people here, but there is a solid group of Federation only players that has been whining for years for everything KDF related. If you're objective, you have to admit that. The problem here is - the developer. When the developer succumbs and does whatever that group that's whining asks for, it irks people. Rubs them the wrong way. And it's completely justifiable.
Now put in this mix the fact that Cryptic says they make so little for the KDF because less players play the faction. Then take a look at the "Delta Operations Pack", where Fed players get more then the 2 other factions combined and 2.5 times more than each.
Like you said, we're all people playing a game including the KDF players. But then I have less chance to enjoy stuff in the game, because I get less. And I get less because less players play the faction. So you tell me, how am I to expect improvement and bringing more people in the faction when everything that's unique is being ported over to team blue and on top of that blue gets 10 times the attention and content in the game? Why would someone, apart from being a ST fan (and Cryptic has done a good job pissing and chasing off a huge portion of those already) choose KDF over Fed, when as a Fed he gets everything + he gets much much more? Let's be real, 50% of the STO playerbase are probably not hardcore Trekkies. Apart from a small number that happen to like the species, they'll chose the faction that gives them everything.
And that's why people get angry. Because the ability of the KDF players to receive enjoyable content is being undermined by the developers themselves.
We wouldn't be so pissed at Fed players if "mommy" Cryptic didn't pamper them so much. They cry a little for something and Cryptic gives that to them on a silver platter. It's infuriating at times and some people project that rage on the group asking for it, because "they took it" while on the other hand there is only one entity responsible for it - Cryptic.
Listen, I don't care if the Feds get a lot of stuff or new stuff or whatever. This does not necessarily have to include undermining the KDF's potential to retain a playerbase. Like errab here hit the nail on the head:
It's a lazy cop-out. Just like the "Galaxy Revamp". Copy-paste work for easy cash. Cryptic could have shown some sense for the KDF and proactivity, but this is the way they do stuff. Slap something that you already have prepared for something else like a hangar bay or a cloaking device and call it a day.
They could have turned the Aquarius into something completely unique and new for the Feds, and I doubt that apart for a few "eternal complainers" anyone here would care. But that'd require some actual work on their behalf. Why do that when you can give the shaft to the KDF once again?