Personally, I didn't find the new content that difficult just different enemy tactics when testing a MU Ki'tang BOP [using Aegis set with Dual torp/DHC MkXII gear build], in the new tribble content.
i agree, and i have to wonder if that guy tried any of the content. the missions are locked in at level 50 on the standard setting. it's not any harder to do level 50 missions in delta rising then it is anywhere else in the game. if anyone's seen the youtube vids they've seen people doing the missions with ease in stock t5 ships with stock 10-12 equipment. these people weren't using 13 or 14 gear. i've even seen vids of people do advance and elite missions with regular ships and gear too.
to the topic at hand, i'll convert some stuff as i go along. most of the stuff is around 3 days of dilithium to upgrade from 12 to 13, so i can do a couple of pieces a week for free. that's good enough.
Sigh. If you don't want to use it. Don't. You are under no obligation to do so. If you keep playing higher level stuff will drop for you or you can buy new stuff from the exchange. It's just a way to keep using the stuff you have now beyond level 50. You got it? Chill out. To quote that damn disney song, "Let it go."
This. So much this.
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Oh Whaaa whaaa I have to wait to play for free. My heart bleeds for you like never. If you want priority upgrade to gold. Hell quit whining about how gold and lifers have priority. You want priority status? Stop going to Burger King one day a month and take that money and get a Gold membership.
LOL @ utterly brainless rant. What part of 'Career Officer' under my name did you miss?! All of it, it would appear.
Used the free kits from the event to upgrade my mk 11 Jem ground set, just over 30K dil and a few 100K ec is much cheaper than the old lobi upgrade was.
I don't have a problem with the cost for upgrading gear to mark 14 so much, its the obscene and extreme costs of going upgrading to Gold Quality that I find too much, so I too will not be particapting in the gear upgrading process.
And I'm not one to bad mouth cryptic all the time, I often defend it, such as over dinosaurs with laser beams, so I'm not a hater, so Cryptic should take it seriously and listen to what people are saying. Especially about the rarity upgrading.
It's not the actual costs of upgrading that annoy me. It's the high degree of randomness.
If it said you have to pay 50k dilithium and 1 mio EC to upgrade your mk xiii very rare beam array to mk xiii ultra rare I would be ok with it. But only if you could choose the additional modifier you're getting for upgrading to next rarer item class.
I'm so sick of random costs and random results. It's just a very bad system!
My friend suggested they are just getting the money now from the hardcore players who will invest money into this. After a few months, it will change because they will realize a sizeable percentage of the population will not like it. Unfortunately, I dont think I can make it that long. While the OP put it rather harshly, I agree with his basic sentiment. PWI/Cryptic want one of 2 things to happen... 1) For us to spend lots of money (duhh) 2) For us to play a long time. I have followed the latter for awhile since it was fun, but this is getting a little carried away.
My 2 cents, the crafting and upgrade process have been by far the worst inclusions into the game since release. I expect this thread to be locked and erased ofc.
My fleet just hit full T5 last week, we worked so hard for the fleet projects and upgrades and some of us spend up to 5 million dil per fleet upgrade, of course they bought this dilithium with real money. Many other players bought also various full sets of fleet and rep gear, again with aquired dilithium from real cash. Other incomes for cryptic/pw is the zen store and the lockboxes. They get enough money from us, the insane costs for the crafting and upgrade system is just pure greed, nothing else. They are a company and companys are not humans, they dont have a soul or a heart or moral, they only want the money, they dont care about the game or us. All they want is to lurk our money from our pockets. Now after 2 hard years of building up the fleet is all the work and money we have put into the fleet gone! Nobody is buying any fleet gear more, because everything is now old and outdated and we have to pay again dilithium for the same gear we already have bought to have competitive endgear. In the end we pay twice for fleet + rep gear. Did cryptic/pw ask us, if we want this? No. You can imagine how dissapointed we are now, we have the T5 fleet and they destroyed everything. This is not all, i heard rumors, they want to make T6 fleets now, T6 is like T1-T5 lol!!! And they want to add a new Delta fleet holding, this is totally insane greed. The last time i have bought zen was over 2 years ago and i think i will keep it that way. I cant honor this behavior of cryptic/pwe and how they treat us and how low respect they have towards us. We should teach them a lesson and show them, we hold the real power and lock our wallets until they start to listen us and to our wishes. I refuse to use the crafting and upgrade system, i will not waste any hard earned dilithium or other ressources for this insanity. Even if i want i cant afford to upgrade all of my ships and gear. After 2 years of playing this game you get alot of gear, i even hit the ship slot cap, my bank and all ships are fully equipped with gear. Now you can imagine how much it would cost me to upgrade all space and ground sets and the weapons. I have collected all reputation and lobi gear and weapons, it would cost me billions of dilithium to upgrade everything. I cant afford this, no way.
I will also point out that the prices on the Exchange are put there by your fellow players. They have nothing to do with Cryptic. If you are mad about a 20 million EC Doff or expensive Mats yell at your fellow players, not at Cryptic.
But the market is based on the supply available, prices being 'too high' means there is insufficient supply.
I'm also not bothering with the upgrade system, I disagree with so many aspects of it. I've always gotten by on random drop items, a lot of my stuff is MkXI rare, and I get by because I'm good at games (go me!).
Its not just the upgrade system I'm not participating in now though. For the first time I'm not buying something being released (DR pack) because the straw has been placed, and I likely won't be getting into the game again, ever, aside from going through story missions (which certainly don't need all the latest purchases)
this system is just a piece of TRIBBLE. And for now, i try to find a new funny game. I make a break from this game, and the purchases that i wanted to do, are lost in the universe (guardian, new raptor).
I play at this game since 1 year, and i'm already tired.
Before STO, i played at a game during 10 years; before to be tired of this game.
I can endure technical issues, i can endure a little bit of grinding (rep, fleet); but i can't endure this new grindfest and the same content again and again (the new campaign will be finished quickly and the only thing to do will be always these infamous stfs), unluckily the more interesting stfs will be available only for lvl 60 players with uber gears and the new ships, this is infame.
game forums are the place where people get on their soapboxes and make grand statement. then they slink off into the game and do the opposite of what they said they'd do. i'll never buy a t6; 2 months later they're in a t6. i'll never upgrade my gear; 2 months later they're using mk 14. i'll never play again; 2 days later they're in the game. game forums are full of hypocrites.
I don't have a problem with the cost for upgrading gear to mark 14 so much, its the obscene and extreme costs of going upgrading to Gold Quality that I find too much, so I too will not be particapting in the gear upgrading process.
AFAIK, you can't upgrade gear to Gold level. Only the special items (like consoles that come with a particular ship) can be Gold.
And it seems that the Borg Assimilated Module can't be upgraded at all.
I'm not interested in this new system they have put into place, i just dont play PvP and that is what it is for when the PvP system is TRIBBLE. They have done nothing to include it into the overall game itself, and instead place it into a poor mans PvP if you will. They are reaching, the community has provided so well laid out ideas on how to make the game more interesting and dynamic and deep and yet they have done ZERO with it. Each expansion has been nothing more than the same with a little changes here and there. Ill tell you what, i had access to this game i would put together a modding team that would have this game turn around until a years time.
the new upgrade system is TRIBBLE, pure and simple, its just another way for greed to ruin everything. much like player greed destroyed the exchange and now a 10k ec doff costs 20mil. I don't have time to sit and grind dilithium and mats all day like a teenage kid with no job, and I don't have hundreds of dollars to waste on something that isn't real in the first place. I like star trek but I'm starting to hate this game, thanks cryptic / pw. your destroying something I used to love with your greed. I wash my hands of this and if something isn't done about it I will walk away.
Good god people. If ya don't like it don't do it! It's that simple. Again nobody is holding a gun to your head and screaming for you to do it.
All this whining over much to do about nothing.
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That is one of the dumbest arguments on the internet since oh the web was created. Who are you to tell others what they can or cannot say. Do you work for Cryptic? Did they ask you to defend them on a forum? If you are so content, why do you even bother reading a post entitled like this one?? Man, go crawl in yer hole and let people voice their real concerns. They play the same game as you and private forum or not, nothing wrong with speaking out unless it goes overboard. Nothing can be changed for the better unless the customer's voice is heard. Do you want the game to die? You think games cant make big mistake and lose a large percent of their consumer base? Dude wake up, not everybody is from entitlement land but you already made up your mind what they are like I see.
That is one of the dumbest arguments on the internet since oh the web was created. Who are you to tell others what they can or cannot say. Do you work for Cryptic? Did they ask you to defend them on a forum? If you are so content, why do you even bother reading a post entitled like this one?? Man, go crawl in yer hole and let people voice their real concerns. They play the same game as you and private forum or not, nothing wrong with speaking out unless it goes overboard. Nothing can be changed for the better unless the customer's voice is heard. Do you want the game to die? You think games cant make big mistake and lose a large percent of their consumer base? Dude wake up, not everybody is from entitlement land but you already made up your mind what they are like I see.
There is a difference between constructive criticism and just flat out whining. Crossed into senseless whining long ago.
Again don't like a function, you can voice it but good god stop being brats about it. Acting like spoiled children and I'm willing to bet, most of the whiners, grown people.
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Here's a solution to players cornering markets on the Exchange. Let buyers see who's selling and let buyers block, or refuse to sell, to players who are doing the cornering.
A generic rule could simply prevent someone from buying anything where they're posting the same exact object. That is way overkill given the small buys people make to lift a giveaway price.
The free market would take care of it if players throwing money into the game for EC could be kept from cornering markets.
If I'm selling and see the same couple players selling the same item, I would most certainly refuse a sale to them if I thought they were artificially keeping prices up. In the real world this is done, why not STO?
I think there are improvements yet to be made and that a few C-Store offerings, a gold perk or two, modifier choice, and similar adjustments could get this system ship shape.
I'll toss another thought out:
What if they had a special upgrade slot that ran off of an event currency rather than dilithium?
Or an upgrade slot that works when an account is gold that has no slot for accelerators but basically acts like it has two purple accelerators always on. I think they need to continue to consider gold accounts (and continue to pitch gold memberships) in new systems, personally.
It's deeply imperfect in its current form. I wished they'd help off deploying it for another week.
As long as they can fix the items that are missing mods and look at how unrealistic the costs are for alting, ground, and maintaining multiple ships/builds, I think the basic idea is good... and that the IDEA of having a bit more pressure for people to pay isn't a bad thing in and of itself. The implementation doesn't seem to be fueled by a lot of empathy for or understanding of players though.
the new upgrade system is TRIBBLE, pure and simple, its just another way for greed to ruin everything. much like player greed destroyed the exchange and now a 10k ec doff costs 20mil. I don't have time to sit and grind dilithium and mats all day like a teenage kid with no job, and I don't have hundreds of dollars to waste on something that isn't real in the first place. I like star trek but I'm starting to hate this game, thanks cryptic / pw. your destroying something I used to love with your greed. I wash my hands of this and if something isn't done about it I will walk away.
Wanting a income stream to pay for the many people that make this game possible is not greed. Players that want everything right now with neither time or effort on their part, that is the definition of greed.
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This. So much this.
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LOL @ utterly brainless rant. What part of 'Career Officer' under my name did you miss?! All of it, it would appear.
I support the Star Trek Battles channel.
And I'm not one to bad mouth cryptic all the time, I often defend it, such as over dinosaurs with laser beams, so I'm not a hater, so Cryptic should take it seriously and listen to what people are saying. Especially about the rarity upgrading.
If it said you have to pay 50k dilithium and 1 mio EC to upgrade your mk xiii very rare beam array to mk xiii ultra rare I would be ok with it. But only if you could choose the additional modifier you're getting for upgrading to next rarer item class.
I'm so sick of random costs and random results. It's just a very bad system!
CaptainGeko do not be dull because the game future is in question.
My 2 cents, the crafting and upgrade process have been by far the worst inclusions into the game since release. I expect this thread to be locked and erased ofc.
But the market is based on the supply available, prices being 'too high' means there is insufficient supply.
I'm also not bothering with the upgrade system, I disagree with so many aspects of it. I've always gotten by on random drop items, a lot of my stuff is MkXI rare, and I get by because I'm good at games (go me!).
Its not just the upgrade system I'm not participating in now though. For the first time I'm not buying something being released (DR pack) because the straw has been placed, and I likely won't be getting into the game again, ever, aside from going through story missions (which certainly don't need all the latest purchases)
I play at this game since 1 year, and i'm already tired.
Before STO, i played at a game during 10 years; before to be tired of this game.
I can endure technical issues, i can endure a little bit of grinding (rep, fleet); but i can't endure this new grindfest and the same content again and again (the new campaign will be finished quickly and the only thing to do will be always these infamous stfs), unluckily the more interesting stfs will be available only for lvl 60 players with uber gears and the new ships, this is infame.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
AFAIK, you can't upgrade gear to Gold level. Only the special items (like consoles that come with a particular ship) can be Gold.
And it seems that the Borg Assimilated Module can't be upgraded at all.
Don't let the door hit you in the A...
All this whining over much to do about nothing.
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http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
There is a difference between constructive criticism and just flat out whining. Crossed into senseless whining long ago.
Again don't like a function, you can voice it but good god stop being brats about it. Acting like spoiled children and I'm willing to bet, most of the whiners, grown people.
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http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
A generic rule could simply prevent someone from buying anything where they're posting the same exact object. That is way overkill given the small buys people make to lift a giveaway price.
The free market would take care of it if players throwing money into the game for EC could be kept from cornering markets.
If I'm selling and see the same couple players selling the same item, I would most certainly refuse a sale to them if I thought they were artificially keeping prices up. In the real world this is done, why not STO?
I'll toss another thought out:
What if they had a special upgrade slot that ran off of an event currency rather than dilithium?
Or an upgrade slot that works when an account is gold that has no slot for accelerators but basically acts like it has two purple accelerators always on. I think they need to continue to consider gold accounts (and continue to pitch gold memberships) in new systems, personally.
It's deeply imperfect in its current form. I wished they'd help off deploying it for another week.
As long as they can fix the items that are missing mods and look at how unrealistic the costs are for alting, ground, and maintaining multiple ships/builds, I think the basic idea is good... and that the IDEA of having a bit more pressure for people to pay isn't a bad thing in and of itself. The implementation doesn't seem to be fueled by a lot of empathy for or understanding of players though.
The problem is, they kind of are...if you don't and everyone else does, suddenly PvP is suicide.
and we care because?