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I will NOT participate in the upgrade system

metalhead40metalhead40 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
the new upgrade system is TRIBBLE, pure and simple, its just another way for greed to ruin everything. much like player greed destroyed the exchange and now a 10k ec doff costs 20mil. I don't have time to sit and grind dilithium and mats all day like a teenage kid with no job, and I don't have hundreds of dollars to waste on something that isn't real in the first place. I like star trek but I'm starting to hate this game, thanks cryptic / pw. your destroying something I used to love with your greed. I wash my hands of this and if something isn't done about it I will walk away.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I have no plans to participate in it either. Not because I do not like it but because I do not PvP and the PvE Content does not require Mk XIII or XIV Gear to complete it. But even if I do participate I will do so over time and get the items for sweat rather then money.

    I will also point out that the prices on the Exchange are put there by your fellow players. They have nothing to do with Cryptic. If you are mad about a 20 million EC Doff or expensive Mats yell at your fellow players, not at Cryptic.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    A.g.r.e.e.d.
  • ragerblade82ragerblade82 Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    metalhead40 wrote: »
    the new upgrade system is TRIBBLE, pure and simple, its just another way for greed to ruin everything. much like greed destroyed the exchange and now a 10k ec doff costs 20mil. I don't have time to sit and grind dilithium and mats all day like a teenage kid with no job, and I don't have hundreds of dollars to waste on something that isn't real in the first place. I like star trek but I'm starting to hate this game, thanks cryptic / pw. your destroying something I used to love with your greed. I wash my hands of this and if something isn't done about it I will walk away.


    Question, do you really need the upgrades to enjoy the game? Also, MMOs have always been about time invested for rewards, since the mud days of gaming. If you can still do what you can do without the best of the best stuff... I would do it.


    If you enjoy maxing out, at a fast pace..I must ask you, how would the company who is giving you more content, get funded if they hand out stuff quickly without some type of grind? Also, taking time to at last get some thing has its own sweet rewarding feeling.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Greed would be if the upgrade system required Zen at all to be done - it does not. With enough time and patience, it can be done without a dime being used. Plus, a lot of DR content simply won't need it to be used; a fresh T5 ship with appropriate loadouts can handle the missions well enough

    Similar systems in similar MMO's take time and effort as well; this is little different
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  • fallenhawkfallenhawk Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The system is overprices and tell the price of Upgrading is lower long with a shorter time for the upgrade to finish(like 1-2 hours). That the only way I'll use this or the Crafting system .
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I have no plans to participate in it either. Not because I do not like it but because I do not PvP and the PvE Content does not require Mk XIII or XIV Gear to complete it. But even if I do participate I will do so over time and get the items for sweat rather then money.

    I will also point out that the prices on the Exchange are put there by your fellow players. They have nothing to do with Cryptic. If you are mad about a 20 million EC Doff or expensive Mats yell at your fellow players, not at Cryptic.

    This pretty much sums up how I feel about all of delta rising.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Eventually, when I run out of RnD leveling, I may get around to it, but at this point I don't need another farmwill corn-field to harvest.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • vawlkusvawlkus Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I think I'll blame Cryptic for taking things that SHOULD be fun, and making them not fun. I would enjoy crafting up widgets because I like to build stuff. HOWEVER, I refuse to shell out the ridiculous amount of resources that Cryptic is asking for to participate.
  • startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    after 1 or 2 months after DR Im just gonna buy like mk XIII blue weps/gear off exchange, granted their not insanely overpriced. They should be the new mk XI blues.
  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I just looked at the Exchange prices and it will cost a lot of DEC to get those upgrades. i hae deleted all but one charaacter now and i still am not sure that i like this sytem. First we have to grinde EC for the Tech upgrades then we have to Grind Dil. for the Upgrading Provess and while we do that we have to grind marks for the new REp. System where we also have to upgrade those Items.

    Not funny.

    Where else can i get Tech upgrades kits??
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    Where else can i get Tech upgrades kits??

    C-Store of cause
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    i thought i heard some where to upgrade a item it was like 20,000 to 30,000 dil each, if that's the case then im not even gonna upgrade anything.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    trek21 wrote: »
    Greed would be if the upgrade system required Zen at all to be done - it does not. With enough time and patience, it can be done without a dime being used. Plus, a lot of DR content simply won't need it to be used; a fresh T5 ship with appropriate loadouts can handle the missions well enough

    Similar systems in similar MMO's take time and effort as well; this is little different


    And absolute greed would be a window popping up which skips Zen altogether and simply asks for your credit card information so that you can bypass the required resources and/or timegate.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Personally, if I do decide to upgrade, then I will do it over time. I do not play PvP so upgrades are not absolutely necessary for me.
  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    then we have to Grind Dil. for the Upgrading Provess

    Well its not like you wouldn't need dilithium to outright buy mk XIII and mk XIV if it was sold.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    metalhead40 wrote: »
    the new upgrade system is TRIBBLE, pure and simple, its just another way for greed to ruin everything. much like greed destroyed the exchange and now a 10k ec doff costs 20mil. I don't have time to sit and grind dilithium and mats all day like a teenage kid with no job, and I don't have hundreds of dollars to waste on something that isn't real in the first place. I like star trek but I'm starting to hate this game, thanks cryptic / pw. your destroying something I used to love with your greed. I wash my hands of this and if something isn't done about it I will walk away.

    i demand x or else is against the fct. if you wanna walk away then do so, but i quit threads are not allowed either.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    startrek1234567 wrote: »
    i thought i heard some where to upgrade a item it was like 20,000 to 30,000 dil each, if that's the case then im not even gonna upgrade anything.

    If you use the correct upgrade kits its about 5k to go from 12-13, and a further 10k to go from 13 to 14 for most (shields and things are a bit more). the increase in power between 12 and 14 is very significant though. much more than say 10-12 so they are still relatively expensive but what you get back should be worth it.

    going up quality to ultra violet or gold on the other hand is largely luck based and can cost you an arm and a leg and in no way need and should only be attempted by hardcore players who have money to burn.
  • shandypandyshandypandy Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    captainrevo1 wrote: »
    If you use the correct upgrade kits its about 5k to go from 12-13, and a further 10k to go from 13 to 14 for most (shields and things are a bit more). the increase in power between 12 and 14 is very significant though. much more than say 10-12 so they are still relatively expensive but what you get back should be worth it.

    going up quality to ultra violet or gold on the other hand is largely luck based and can cost you an arm and a leg and in no way need and should only be attempted by hardcore players who have money to burn.

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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    So far I won't do the upgrade on my gear. Specially if the cost to do it is ridiculous. However taking a low MK 2 or something item and boosting it to MK 11-12 like my current gear is. Now that I might willing to do since it should be cheaper. Why I want to do this? I hope the looks of that gear stays and I can use some of the cooler gear from that level. Some of the rifles and pistols at that level looks really sweet. So I want them at higher levels. To me this is about what I'm thinking of the upgrading system.

    Just like my old days of WoW crafting. I used the crafting to a point, after that oh well. I can do without.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I have no plans to participate in it either. Not because I do not like it but because I do not PvP and the PvE Content does not require Mk XIII or XIV Gear to complete it. But even if I do participate I will do so over time and get the items for sweat rather then money.

    I will also point out that the prices on the Exchange are put there by your fellow players. They have nothing to do with Cryptic. If you are mad about a 20 million EC Doff or expensive Mats yell at your fellow players, not at Cryptic.

    I agree with this as well. And I will play around with upgrading as I see fit.
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  • whiterookwhiterook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    metalhead40 wrote: »
    much like player greed destroyed the exchange and now a 10k ec doff costs 20mil.

    All people have to do is stop paying inflated rates - and guess what prices will fall like a stone on the exchange! But as long as folks go along with it - the higher and higher it goes. :rolleyes:
  • borisvodikaborisvodika Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    farmallm wrote: »
    I agree with this as well. And I will play around with upgrading as I see fit.

    Same, I'm just going to continue playing and having fun as I always have.

    I do have to give the forum credit though, they are consistent with the "Cryptic is killing the game!" nonsense. Takes a very dedicated bunch of people to spew so much trash for so long consistently.
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  • borisvodikaborisvodika Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    This is the part of the new system I just don't understand. I cannot see the thinking in making higher end gear luck based, beyond "let's just milk as much as we can from it". These lottery based systems need to go.

    You can't see why there needs to be a dil sink and that sink should give the player a chance to be rewarded? Really?
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  • borisvodikaborisvodika Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    You mean all the existing Dil sinks aren't enough already? :rolleyes:

    Hell, why stop here? Let's make it so that it will cost you Dil to login with a chance of actually getting to play the game.

    Obviously not
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    "If people go along with it.."

    Exactly.

    When reputation came out they wanted you to pay dil for it.
    That would have happened if people hadn't rejected it.

    Now crafting and upgrading comes along with exactly the same gameplay right down to earning marks by any other name and they still trying to push as much as they can.

    Only difference is this time people seem to vaporized their memory with a phaser setting of 2, maybe 3.

    If you are willing to pay 5,000,000 dil to upgrade a sensor probe console, then that's what they going to charge.

    Developer apologists aka. whales that buy everything, 4 times, no questions asked trying to rationalize their own guilty conscience are really the people dragging the game down.

    We could change things if it weren't for those people
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    Hell, why stop here? Let's make it so that it will cost you Dil to login with a chance of actually getting to play the game.

    As Number Two would tell Dr. Evil: "That also already has happened." :P

    Seriously, Gold Members/Lifers get priority on the login queue.
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  • borisvodikaborisvodika Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vestereng wrote: »
    "If people go along with it.."

    Exactly.

    When reputation came out they wanted you to pay dil for it.
    That would have happened if people hadn't rejected it.

    Now crafting and upgrading comes along with exactly the same gameplay right down to earning marks by any other name and they still trying to push as much as they can.

    Only difference is this time people seem to vaporized their memory with a phaser setting of 2, maybe 3.

    If you are willing to pay 5,000,000 dil to upgrade a sensor probe console, then that's what they going to charge.

    Developer apologists aka. whales that buy everything, 4 times, no questions asked trying to rationalize their own guilty conscience are really the people dragging the game down.

    We could change things if it weren't for those people


    You mean people that want everything now for free, I agree.
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