I don't see how they can impliment a Cardassian faction due to one minor problem.
The Galor, the most iconic Cardi ship, was a lockbox ship.
Same with the Dominion ships. Three were used as cross faction ships: the JH Dread Carrier, the JH escort carrier, and JH Holy Bugship.
Making a faction that requires those ships would kinda render the novelty of having one obsolete, cause rage at having something they bought/earned/got lucky on suddenly available for nothing more than leveling a new alt, and might cut into key/DOff pack sales.
There's an idea that's been bouncing around regarding the Galor to have it renamed "True Way Galor", just like they retconned the Avenger-class star cruiser skin as the Sentinel-class after the battlecruiser came out.
Then you just make the new Galor different from the old one.
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I don't see how they can impliment a Cardassian faction due to one minor problem.
The Galor, the most iconic Cardi ship, was a lockbox ship.
Same with the Dominion ships. Three were used as cross faction ships: the JH Dread Carrier, the JH escort carrier, and JH Holy Bugship.
Making a faction that requires those ships would kinda render the novelty of having one obsolete, cause rage at having something they bought/earned/got lucky on suddenly available for nothing more than leveling a new alt, and might cut into key/DOff pack sales.
i don't see the problem for the galor itself
the galor is basically the cardassian's galaxy class, and the galaxy is a T4 ship, so a galor for any cardassian faction would be T4 as well - vastly inferior to the lockbox one we currently have
now, getting into retrofits is where problems start cropping up
as for potential rage...TR-116A, TR-116B; 'nuff said
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Why bother putting in a fourth faction just so it can be left to rot in content stagnation? Pointless to even consider. No factions until KDF and Rom have content.
What do you play on STO? I'm top level everything on all toons apart from crafting right now and I don't think it's lacking content to play every day. You sound bored with the game... don't play!
With the Klingon War coming to a close, and a joint allied move into the Delta quadrant. Is it time to add a 4th faction to STO?
Before you say NO!!!
think on these points.
1. It would fix PvP to the point where it works
No it seriously wouldn't.
The main problem with PvP has been the insane powercreep since the game went F2P and how the Devs aren't remotely concerned with balance, simply what will sell.
As such FBP and TBR builds fill the queues, Romulans with free crit boosting boffs, Scimitars shield tanking without boff tanking powers, BO always criting, etc etc etc etc.
And that's BEFORE DR gives us intel boff and ship powers.
The only thing I see a new faction doing is adding to that power creep.
2. You would get a Full Romulan faction, not the current joint allied Klingon/ Federation ones.
You add in new content, that is geared toward PvP, with any new faction that is added.
You fix other factions by..................
adding new content , that is gear toward those factions.
I don't understand why some of you out there can't see this happening.
But that has absolutely nothing to do with adding a new faction. To improve PvP, the devs need to add new PvP content, some game play changes, and maybe a PvP Reputation. To make Romulans into a full faction, the devs need to allow 3 way PvP, create Romulan Starbases, and some other things. Both changes have absolutely nothing to do with adding a new faction. These changes might come in the same Expansion as the new faction, but that would be merely coincidence.
What do you play on STO? I'm top level everything on all toons apart from crafting right now and I don't think it's lacking content to play every day. You sound bored with the game... don't play!
I play all three factions. Go take a look at their C store selection. Two outfits a piece for KDF and Roms, Rom has only one unlockable race and the KDF has two, compared to Fed's four. Fed's has more T6 ships that KDF and Rom and they have tons more T1-T5 ships and retrofits than KDF and Rom. Hell, even their opening storylines seem shorter by comparison to the Fed's.
I'm not bored with the game and I certainly do not plan to stop playing before Delta Rising drops. I want my Ocompan Boff badly.
But it's pointless to add another faction that will only get a few basic ships, items and story that feels like an afterthought compared to the Federation's massive selections. KDF and Roms need content!
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That is because since day one Cryptic has been a "Pamper the Federation" system rather than building balanced factions.
At launch the KDF was tough in PvP, then a large number of complaints resulted in down time, KDF glitches that wouldn't be repaired, and it continued. Every time a different faction gets one goody the FED community (in general) complains unless they get five goody items. That has kept the imbalance secure.
Prior to launch we had over 100 Cardassian fans active on the forums (about 40 had Cardassians as their favorite and the rest had the Cardassians number 2). Most left the moment Cryptic informed us that it would only be FED and KDF. They are too busy catering to a single group to focus enough attention on building a full fledged faction, thus the half factions.
As a die hard Cardassian fan, I have waited patiently for 6 (launch was Sept. 2010) years to get nothing. I know a few of the original fans are so wanting the Cardassians as an independent faction they'd be willing to do the KDF launch junk of flying into sectors blowing things up to pass the time just to play the Cardassians.
I am tired of people wanting the Cardassians to be a Federation whipping boy, just another puppet for the human masters. 2409 has lasted for 5 years. Remember the war was in the 2370s (an entire 40 years to recover) and it is quite plausable that Cardassia is built up enough to return to space. Maybe not a power house like the Feds, but at least a presence.
The female changeling returns to the link after "the 2800", renewing disdain for the Federation and the Alpha Quadrant upon her return. New knowledge of the Iconian threat inspires her to try and ally with them.
Odo and a group of followers separate from the great link in protest to the renewed call to action. The link divides.
Odo and his followers unite with 'the new link' on Orias III, who begin to function as a 'New Dominion' that draws the allegiance of dejected "True Way" Cardassians and Jem'hadar.
This new Dominion serves as the 4th faction, including all Dominion species as well as the Cardassians. They can be a subfaction that chooses an alliegance with the KDF or the Feds, or the red v blue divide can finally be done away with, and they can be fleshed out into a full faction along with the Romulans.
The old Dominion allys with the Iconians and can serve as a major enemy in the story content, as the second Dominion war begins.
The Founder's will not ally with the Iconians. That seems very contrary to the very idea of the Dominion.
Something tells me that the Founders would be willing to change their philosophy slightly if the price were right.
This could also be why the matter divides the link so much. One half can be heavily influenced by the distraught mindset of the Female Changeling returned from confinement, and the other with a mind on reason and order.
Something tells me that the Founders would be willing to change their philosophy
Mmm no. Not really. The Founders issue orders, not take them. Plus, Iconians are Solids. If anyone has a chance to ally with the Founders, it'd be the Undine for their access to Fluid Space.
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The Dominion trash Cardassia prime right? I don't see that working given that past event.
yes and no. the cardassians are the 4th main power player in the alha and beta quadrant, greatly reduced due to the federation led alliance treaty over what the cardassians can do. at some point the cardassians need to start fighting back against the iconian oppressors and those fools like madred who give the rest of the union a bad name. garak ftw.
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Mmm no. Not really. The Founders issue orders, not take them. Plus, Iconians are Solids. If anyone has a chance to ally with the Founders, it'd be the Undine for their access to Fluid Space.
8472 are solids as well, they use an inferior shape-shifting technology and besides 8472 would consider the founders just as much a threat as the federation anyway. some crazy ideas that dont make sense.
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Mmm no. Not really. The Founders issue orders, not take them. Plus, Iconians are Solids. If anyone has a chance to ally with the Founders, it'd be the Undine for their access to Fluid Space.
Is that why the founders were so willing to suck up to the Breen when the war wasn't going their way?
Is that why the founders were so willing to suck up to the Breen when the war wasn't going their way?
perhaps you were not paying attention to what the founder states about the breen alliance, but to its end the founder didnt care what would please the breen, as long as they fight and win is all that matters. the breen were only brought onboard as a extra expendable resources and had no actual intention of giving the breen anything.
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I wonder if they could get some of the DS9 cast to work on the game, If that happens boy am I all for a cardassian playable faction and revamp of associated areas and mission
I'd love to see and hear charactewrs like Garak, Odo and Quark again
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perhaps you were not paying attention to what the founder states about the breen alliance, but to its end the founder didnt care what would please the breen, as long as they fight and win is all that matters. the breen were only brought onboard as a extra expendable resources and had no actual intention of giving the breen anything.
Right. And the founders' hubris is so unmatched, that they could think the same of any alliance.
But then again, that line, spoken to Weyoun, was just as much (IMO, more) to appease him as the action was to appease the Breen.
If you pay attention to the non verbal communication between the female changeling and the Breen, it was unlike the relationship she had with any of the other Dominion allies. She wouldn't give the Cardassians the time of day for anything. She treated Weyoun like TRIBBLE. She scoffed at every sycophantic attempt an ally made at pleasing the founders. But when it came to the Breen, she was very genial, very courteous... almost as if there was a genuine respect... or at least that she was trying to fake it.
Ultimately, she tread very lightly with the Breen. Something she didn't do with anyone else. When the price is right, the Founders will acquiesce... at least Temporarily.
of course she was very genial and courteous with the breen...there's no quicker way to break a newly-formed alliance than being shirty with one of your new allies, especially a highly-ranked one
i'm sure hitler was very friendly and congenial with the russians and italians too - at first
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of course she was very genial and courteous with the breen...there's no quicker way to break a newly-formed alliance than being shirty with one of your new allies, especially a highly-ranked one
i'm sure hitler was very friendly and congenial with the russians and italians too - at first
Mussolini and Hitler were best friends (Hitler based his revolution off Mussolini's) until Mussolini started being the b*tch in the relationship (He started losing very badly in Africa). Hitler and Stalin never liked each other (Major differences between communists and socialists) but it was more of an alliance of convenience... until Hitler was an idiot and attacked the Russians in the Motherland.
PvP is going to be irreparably destroyed after DR. Adding a new faction =/= PvP fix even if it wasn't about to be maimed. Just saying...
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STO PvP is already 'damaged' (and has been since launch.)
Cryptic has never cared about PvP in ANY MMO they've done. PvPer's are always very vocal, but they represent such a small segment of the STO playerbase that Cryptic could remove PVP entirely, and overall, the revenue generation from STO would remain the same. For Cryptic it's all ROI (Return on Investment); and it's why PvP is neglected. No matter what they do, STO couldn't attract enough PvP minded folks to make it worthwhile for them; and they make the most money catering to both casuals, and the Whales who collect every ship put in the C Store just because.
They probably finally decided not to outright remove PvP because it would require programming time to delete the code.
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I still want some kind of mercenary faction. I will side with whoever pays the most at the moment^^
My suggestion for this was that you should get the option to resign a commision after you reach rank 10 and go freelance no matter which faction your on
Not gonna happen but I'd love it if it did
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Right. And the founders' hubris is so unmatched, that they could think the same of any alliance.
But then again, that line, spoken to Weyoun, was just as much (IMO, more) to appease him as the action was to appease the Breen.
If you pay attention to the non verbal communication between the female changeling and the Breen, it was unlike the relationship she had with any of the other Dominion allies. She wouldn't give the Cardassians the time of day for anything. She treated Weyoun like TRIBBLE. She scoffed at every sycophantic attempt an ally made at pleasing the founders. But when it came to the Breen, she was very genial, very courteous... almost as if there was a genuine respect... or at least that she was trying to fake it.
Ultimately, she tread very lightly with the Breen. Something she didn't do with anyone else. When the price is right, the Founders will acquiesce... at least Temporarily.
Probably because the Breen have freezing technologies.
If I was a liquid based lifeform and I met a guy who could turn me into a solid, I'd be very careful about him as well.
It was not about price, it was about not being frozen solid.
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There's an idea that's been bouncing around regarding the Galor to have it renamed "True Way Galor", just like they retconned the Avenger-class star cruiser skin as the Sentinel-class after the battlecruiser came out.
Then you just make the new Galor different from the old one.
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the galor is basically the cardassian's galaxy class, and the galaxy is a T4 ship, so a galor for any cardassian faction would be T4 as well - vastly inferior to the lockbox one we currently have
now, getting into retrofits is where problems start cropping up
as for potential rage...TR-116A, TR-116B; 'nuff said
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
What do you play on STO? I'm top level everything on all toons apart from crafting right now and I don't think it's lacking content to play every day. You sound bored with the game... don't play!
If you add a new faction............
The way you fix PvP ............
You add in new content, that is geared toward PvP, with any new faction that is added.
You fix other factions by..................
adding new content , that is gear toward those factions.
I don't understand why some of you out there can't see this happening.
No it seriously wouldn't.
The main problem with PvP has been the insane powercreep since the game went F2P and how the Devs aren't remotely concerned with balance, simply what will sell.
As such FBP and TBR builds fill the queues, Romulans with free crit boosting boffs, Scimitars shield tanking without boff tanking powers, BO always criting, etc etc etc etc.
And that's BEFORE DR gives us intel boff and ship powers.
The only thing I see a new faction doing is adding to that power creep.
Can't see why this would happen.
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But that has absolutely nothing to do with adding a new faction. To improve PvP, the devs need to add new PvP content, some game play changes, and maybe a PvP Reputation. To make Romulans into a full faction, the devs need to allow 3 way PvP, create Romulan Starbases, and some other things. Both changes have absolutely nothing to do with adding a new faction. These changes might come in the same Expansion as the new faction, but that would be merely coincidence.
I play all three factions. Go take a look at their C store selection. Two outfits a piece for KDF and Roms, Rom has only one unlockable race and the KDF has two, compared to Fed's four. Fed's has more T6 ships that KDF and Rom and they have tons more T1-T5 ships and retrofits than KDF and Rom. Hell, even their opening storylines seem shorter by comparison to the Fed's.
I'm not bored with the game and I certainly do not plan to stop playing before Delta Rising drops. I want my Ocompan Boff badly.
But it's pointless to add another faction that will only get a few basic ships, items and story that feels like an afterthought compared to the Federation's massive selections. KDF and Roms need content!
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At launch the KDF was tough in PvP, then a large number of complaints resulted in down time, KDF glitches that wouldn't be repaired, and it continued. Every time a different faction gets one goody the FED community (in general) complains unless they get five goody items. That has kept the imbalance secure.
Prior to launch we had over 100 Cardassian fans active on the forums (about 40 had Cardassians as their favorite and the rest had the Cardassians number 2). Most left the moment Cryptic informed us that it would only be FED and KDF. They are too busy catering to a single group to focus enough attention on building a full fledged faction, thus the half factions.
As a die hard Cardassian fan, I have waited patiently for 6 (launch was Sept. 2010) years to get nothing. I know a few of the original fans are so wanting the Cardassians as an independent faction they'd be willing to do the KDF launch junk of flying into sectors blowing things up to pass the time just to play the Cardassians.
I am tired of people wanting the Cardassians to be a Federation whipping boy, just another puppet for the human masters. 2409 has lasted for 5 years. Remember the war was in the 2370s (an entire 40 years to recover) and it is quite plausable that Cardassia is built up enough to return to space. Maybe not a power house like the Feds, but at least a presence.
Odo and a group of followers separate from the great link in protest to the renewed call to action. The link divides.
Odo and his followers unite with 'the new link' on Orias III, who begin to function as a 'New Dominion' that draws the allegiance of dejected "True Way" Cardassians and Jem'hadar.
This new Dominion serves as the 4th faction, including all Dominion species as well as the Cardassians. They can be a subfaction that chooses an alliegance with the KDF or the Feds, or the red v blue divide can finally be done away with, and they can be fleshed out into a full faction along with the Romulans.
The old Dominion allys with the Iconians and can serve as a major enemy in the story content, as the second Dominion war begins.
Something tells me that the Founders would be willing to change their philosophy slightly if the price were right.
This could also be why the matter divides the link so much. One half can be heavily influenced by the distraught mindset of the Female Changeling returned from confinement, and the other with a mind on reason and order.
Mmm no. Not really. The Founders issue orders, not take them. Plus, Iconians are Solids. If anyone has a chance to ally with the Founders, it'd be the Undine for their access to Fluid Space.
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yes and no. the cardassians are the 4th main power player in the alha and beta quadrant, greatly reduced due to the federation led alliance treaty over what the cardassians can do. at some point the cardassians need to start fighting back against the iconian oppressors and those fools like madred who give the rest of the union a bad name. garak ftw.
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8472 are solids as well, they use an inferior shape-shifting technology and besides 8472 would consider the founders just as much a threat as the federation anyway. some crazy ideas that dont make sense.
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Is that why the founders were so willing to suck up to the Breen when the war wasn't going their way?
perhaps you were not paying attention to what the founder states about the breen alliance, but to its end the founder didnt care what would please the breen, as long as they fight and win is all that matters. the breen were only brought onboard as a extra expendable resources and had no actual intention of giving the breen anything.
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I'd love to see and hear charactewrs like Garak, Odo and Quark again
Right. And the founders' hubris is so unmatched, that they could think the same of any alliance.
But then again, that line, spoken to Weyoun, was just as much (IMO, more) to appease him as the action was to appease the Breen.
If you pay attention to the non verbal communication between the female changeling and the Breen, it was unlike the relationship she had with any of the other Dominion allies. She wouldn't give the Cardassians the time of day for anything. She treated Weyoun like TRIBBLE. She scoffed at every sycophantic attempt an ally made at pleasing the founders. But when it came to the Breen, she was very genial, very courteous... almost as if there was a genuine respect... or at least that she was trying to fake it.
Ultimately, she tread very lightly with the Breen. Something she didn't do with anyone else. When the price is right, the Founders will acquiesce... at least Temporarily.
i'm sure hitler was very friendly and congenial with the russians and italians too - at first
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Mussolini and Hitler were best friends (Hitler based his revolution off Mussolini's) until Mussolini started being the b*tch in the relationship (He started losing very badly in Africa). Hitler and Stalin never liked each other (Major differences between communists and socialists) but it was more of an alliance of convenience... until Hitler was an idiot and attacked the Russians in the Motherland.
Well call them ....NPC's.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
STO PvP is already 'damaged' (and has been since launch.)
Cryptic has never cared about PvP in ANY MMO they've done. PvPer's are always very vocal, but they represent such a small segment of the STO playerbase that Cryptic could remove PVP entirely, and overall, the revenue generation from STO would remain the same. For Cryptic it's all ROI (Return on Investment); and it's why PvP is neglected. No matter what they do, STO couldn't attract enough PvP minded folks to make it worthwhile for them; and they make the most money catering to both casuals, and the Whales who collect every ship put in the C Store just because.
They probably finally decided not to outright remove PvP because it would require programming time to delete the code.
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My suggestion for this was that you should get the option to resign a commision after you reach rank 10 and go freelance no matter which faction your on
Not gonna happen but I'd love it if it did
Probably because the Breen have freezing technologies.
If I was a liquid based lifeform and I met a guy who could turn me into a solid, I'd be very careful about him as well.
It was not about price, it was about not being frozen solid.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Should not have to use Zen to get a Cardassian ship. And it would be interesting for many of us