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Janeway Court Martial
dpsloss88
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Just watched "Hope and Fear". Someone finally accuses that Sanctimonious Trollop Janeway of some of her crimes.
She violated the Prime Directive and Aided and Abedded Genocide by aiding the Borg. Execution is the only appropriate penalty.
She violated the Prime Directive and Aided and Abedded Genocide by aiding the Borg. Execution is the only appropriate penalty.
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2) The death penalty doesn't exist in the Federation.
They constantly claim the Death Penalty doesn't exist but I recall numerous references to executing people under Federation Law. Even after the Spock court martial in TOS which he was facing a death penalty.
If you have the vocabulary to define the "sexist" word in my post I would be shocked. That is a pretty obscure term unless you have memorized the Dungeon Masters Guide as I have.
Can you find any examples Post-TOS?
You're disgusting. I'm out.
are you writing from a valid point on the subject which has been flogged around as many times on this forum?
or you just looking to do a general vent by trying to look valid?
in any event other threads you just posted in, i see a pattern of someone that clearly inst happy but that isnt my concern. i just hope its a valid point on janeway then bad thoughts is all.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
There's a difference between attacking Janeway for being a psychopath and attacking her with sexist rants.
1) Agreed. Let's keep it civil.
2) The death penalty, for the record, was the punishment for violating General Order 7
That said, I don't think Janeway should have gotten the death penalty, but she should not have made admiral upon coming home.
I Believe they call it being "kicked upstairs" as an Admiral shes less of a loose cannon than in the Captains chair
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KickedUpstairs
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thats over 3 months since a last reply (dont respond in that one, dont necro for the hell of it) and confirms my own point about flogging this horse around. i really got nothing more to add on the subject of janeway as this keeps coming up if you check back through ten forward over the last 2 years.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Janeway had intelligence suggesting that the Undine would not stop at the Borg at all, and would, once finished with them, kill everyone else, too. A temporary alliance with an enemy to deal with the threat was quite reasonable. Sure, you can say that you distrust this intelligence, but Starfleet was definitely not there. And when Janeway finally made it back to Federation Space, she just had dealt a major blow to the Collective. Any doubts to her loyalities would probably be washed away by that.
Voyager may be bad, Janeway may have been a badly written Captain, with a lot of badly written episodes, but the cries for her court martial are quite ridonkolus.
*) Speaking of Sisko. He helped murder a Romulan senator. At least no one in Starfleet knows about this, so there is good reason there was no court martial or anything. And Sisko is probably my favorite Commander/Captain from my favorite Trek show. So say we all.
had that discussion before, picard had no control over himself or his body as a borg, what could he of done? essentially the borg used him as a figurehead to demoralize starfleet by the borg queen, he was a victim as much as anyone else. how could you charge picard for that? i have the perfect counter for your thinking, but it would be a bit too much for the tos and these forums so il try and generalize it a bit, i would just put it in the area of physical assault with mental aftereffects and blaming the woman for some mans control and actions, i mean how could you blame her?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Your problem here is that you're treating the Borg like they're sentients in the humanoid vein. They are not.
The Borg Collective is an omnicidal maniac, a hive mind that has the sole goal of assimilating the entire universe (except the Kazon, who are worthless in every possible way). NOTHING can be worse than that, not even a race of superpowered bigots. At least the bigots are individuals, and can be reasoned with if you approach them the right way.
Furthermore, Voyager's writing was SO bad that they literally rewrote canon for the sake of Plot and then reverted it almost immediately. Given canon as it stood in every episode BUT "Scorpion", the Borg WOULD have adapted to the Undine eventually, resulting in the two groups fighting to a stalemate.
Also, Janeway used the equivalent of bioweapons on Undine HOME SPACE in an already ethically-questionable counterattack.
Bioweapons and the equivalent (thalaron, et cetera) have universally been treated as illegal and immoral in Star Trek, both on-screen and off. Hell, in the Destiny trilogy (itself a problematic series with Moffat-style over-epicness), Picard is going to use Thalaron on the Borg and gets shut down because that's considered too nasty of a weapon.
And Janeway used the equivalent of an anthrax bomb on Undine home space. Those magic nanite warheads literally dissolved Undine and their bioships. That's a clear violation of any human/sentient rights code imaginable.
The point is that Voyager was a poorly-written series, and Janeway was a hypocritical Mary Sue.
I really loathe it when male writers try to write a Strong Female Protagonist (tm); they always end up being annoying hypocrites. Better to just write Picard and change the actor to Dame Judi Dench at the last moment. Much more realistic in terms of portraying women and female commanders.
She had no evidence the Undine would be hostile, she didn't even try to contact them.
She just went straight for one interpretation of a single statement from someone undergoing training in telepathy, when said statement had been made while her crew had boarded an Undine vessel.
When Chakotay tried to persuade her to at least consider this, she railroaded them as hostile.
There are a myriad of ways to interpret "The weak shall perish." - the Kes/Janeway version has no evidence to back it up.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
YOU are a good person, unlike someone else..
You mean this Grand Vizier?
I'm only pointing out Janeway's poor writing. Worf had just enough TRIBBLE-ups to be a believable person, and more importantly he was called out on his TRIBBLE-ups (like being something of a deadbeat dad), tried to fix said TRIBBLE-ups, and experienced real consequences for them.
Janeway could have condemned the entire Galaxy to slavery.
The very fact that no one had heard of the Undine until the Borg attacked them is extremely strong evidence that they were not hostile to everyone in normal space. It is likely that they could not even survive in normal space for long, few species can live outside their normal dimension for long.
Tuvok should also be court martialed. He fired his phaser on kill when trying to subdue the alien in "Hope and Fear" based on the phaser burn on the alien's shirt. Though he may have known somehow that the alien was resistant to phasers.
Der Gro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfphldP574g :rolleyes:
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse
I occassionally read what happens there. I hope you know that both of your minions .... around when you are not near.
Picard was court marshalled for losing the Stargazer, even though he had no way to escape the order to abandon ship.
Also, this was Starfleet's first major encounter with the Borg; Locutus was responsible for 11,000 deaths of his fellow officers, and Picard wasn't even put before an inquest until 'The Drumhead'!
Even if Picard would have been absolved, there would still have had to have been an inquest into charges of treason!
Also, the charge of treason against Janeway would require her loyalty to the Federation to be in doubt. As she destroyed the Collective, that wipes any idea of disloyalty from the situation.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Yeah, it's become a big plot arc. Captain Jade and Darth Kuntel are getting married, and the Grand Vizier wanted to throw them a titanic planet-wide megabash.
Needless to say, Jade was not happy.
hold now that to much logic for my head to process
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