Is that a leak of fleet T6 vesta? i love it cant wait for it
and will buy scryer because I love that new weird design but hate its boff and console layout well i cant have perfect ship at delta rising launch so i'll stick to something new.
I didn't realize they still used "Radar" in the 25th century! The angled and pointed meeting lines in today's stealth fighters/bombers is a method of making the planes invisible to Radar. A concept which is no longer viable in the 25th century due to advanced sensor arrays etc.
So, to me, and in my personal opinion, this design concept is 4 centuries back in the wrong direction.
I like the Klingon and Romulan designs but still really dislike the Fed designs. Sorry. Just my opinion.
Nothing personal, but I find it a little amusing that you hold this opinion while sporting a Wells Class in your sig line.
Personally, I find starships based on, or inspired by, 20th/21st Century stealth aircraft to be no more ridiculous than the Defiant Class, which Tony Meininger (a car enthusiast) designed using the sleek, fast lines of Ferrari sports/supercars as his inspiration. A very non-traditional approach to a non-traditional starship design.
from what i'm seeing, cryptic and perfect world need to scrap this new ship idea and just let us upgrade our current tier five ships to full tier six. none of the diet coke upgrade nonsense! you reading this cryptic??? they are correct for calling them tron knock-offs!
Its some posts like some on this thread, that can at times make me ashamed to be part of this community.
The developers have worked hard, you say "at least give us normal hall mats (no tron lines)" so they do, you say "fill in the scryer" so they do and so on
and some of you can still say to this hard work and responsiveness "f**k your work, its still not good enough, and it sucks"
imagine how it makes the developers sitting at their computers making theses ships feel to see these completely non-constructive comments? happy you say their work is ****? happy that their response to your requests was met with more hate? what if the people you work for suddenly came up to you out of the blue, and said "your work sucks, and there is no way to fix it"
Its some posts like some on this thread, that can at times make me ashamed to be part of this community.
The developers have worked hard, you say "at least give us normal hall mats (no tron lines)" so they do, you say "fill in the scryer" so they do and so on
and some of you can still say to this hard work and responsiveness "f**k your work, its still not good enough, and it sucks"
imagine how it makes the developers sitting at their computers making theses ships feel to see these completely non-constructive comments? happy you say their work is ****? happy that their response to your requests was met with more hate? what if the people you work for suddenly came up to you out of the blue, and said "your work sucks, and there is no way to fix it"
Your assumption is false,the devs don't work for us,they work for PWE......PWE happy,devs happy.
The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
Its some posts like some on this thread, that can at times make me ashamed to be part of this community.
The developers have worked hard, you say "at least give us normal hall mats (no tron lines)" so they do, you say "fill in the scryer" so they do and so on
and some of you can still say to this hard work and responsiveness "f**k your work, its still not good enough, and it sucks"
To be fair 'everyone' is entitled to their own opinion, and the forums are the place to
make that opinion heard. In an ideal world everyone should be able to get express thier
opinions, negative and positive alike, in a constructive, meaningful manner. That being
said, we dont live in an ideal world and there will always be things that for no particular
reason we can only define as me like or me not like. So then, there will always be a few
exceptional individuals who believe that thier anonimity makes it perfectly ok for them to
express themselves in a particular TRIBBLE fasion, they are indeed a very 'select' type of
forum user, and im confident thier comments are given the full level of attention they
deserve.
I am going to be brutally honest here. All those straight lines make those ships look like an N64 version of STO, like Starfox. A rounded saucer should never be jagged and squared.
For comparison, look at the blog image, and compare that to a beautifully-rounded version. Do you see how much better the rounded version is? The N64 graphics simply don't fit in a 2014 game.
As always, the concept art tends to be better than the final product. At least in my opinion.
Please tell me you have plans for some of those concept designs. The two resembling a sleeker Vesta class look gorgeous.
That one in the lower left is a beautiful design. Cryptic... you can do way better than you've done. You've done exceptional work on lots of your ships. This concept art is great! Why is the final product so off-the-mark?!
To be fair 'everyone' is entitled to their own opinion, and the forums are the place to
make that opinion heard. In an ideal world everyone should be able to get express thier
opinions, negative and positive alike, in a constructive, meaningful manner. That being
said, we dont live in an ideal world and there will always be things that for no particular
reason we can only define as me like or me not like. So then, there will always be a few
exceptional individuals who believe that thier anonimity makes it perfectly ok for them to
express themselves in a particular TRIBBLE fasion, they are indeed a very 'select' type of
forum user, and im confident thier comments are given the full level of attention they
deserve.
oh of course people are entitled to an opinion, its the asshats i was directing that to
Its some posts like some on this thread, that can at times make me ashamed to be part of this community.
The developers have worked hard, you say "at least give us normal hall mats (no tron lines)" so they do, you say "fill in the scryer" so they do and so on
and some of you can still say to this hard work and responsiveness "f**k your work, its still not good enough, and it sucks"
imagine how it makes the developers sitting at their computers making theses ships feel to see these completely non-constructive comments? happy you say their work is ****? happy that their response to your requests was met with more hate? what if the people you work for suddenly came up to you out of the blue, and said "your work sucks, and there is no way to fix it"
We're customers.
If we don't like the product, then you better believe some of those customers are going to be vociferous about it.
Customers can opt to buy, or not buy, the product. Right now, Cryptic's STO is the only game of its kind. Cryptic is the stewart and shepherd of the Prime timeline in the gaming world; as such, expectations are higher among the fan base for a better quality product.
When Microsoft revamped the Windows UI with Windows 8, I wasn't saying, "bless those Developers. They sure worked hard on it; they deserve some credit for their work."
It is shameful for a community to be unreasonable, or hostile, or constantly negative. You make valid points in your post; it would be very tough to sit back and read diatribes and rants about your work.
But welcome to Real Life[tm].
Customers are pointing out problems, customers are not seeing product they truly want. Cryptic is relying moreso on decisions which aren't based on field marketing with the customer base, but personal preferences... internal decisions.
Why the rant?
When I see John Eaves uncredited work, that blows.
When I see designs that align to what I want as a customer, and they're ignored, that's frustrating.
I think others feel similarly.
And with Cryptic stating on podcasts that ship sales matter -- and they IGNORE their own customers -- then there's little empathy to be given.
Yes, there should be. And yes, people should be kinder. People should be more constructive.
What does "stealthy" even mean in the vacuum of space? In a time when cloaking devices can make a ship vanish entirely and sensors can be scrambled and jammed by technology?
Why apply atmospheric rules of stealth to space ships? Why make them glow blue? I just don't buy the explanations for these designs.
If we don't like the product, then you better believe some of those customers are going to be vociferous about it.
Customers can opt to buy, or not buy, the product. Right now, Cryptic's STO is the only game of its kind. Cryptic is the stewart and shepherd of the Prime timeline in the gaming world; as such, expectations are higher among the fan base for a better quality product.
When Microsoft revamped the Windows UI with Windows 8, I wasn't saying, "bless those Developers. They sure worked hard on it; they deserve some credit for their work."
It is shameful for a community to be unreasonable, or hostile, or constantly negative. You make valid points in your post; it would be very tough to sit back and read diatribes and rants about your work.
But welcome to Real Life[tm].
Customers are pointing out problems, customers are not seeing product they truly want. Cryptic is relying moreso on decisions which aren't based on field marketing with the customer base, but personal preferences... internal decisions.
Why the rant?
When I see John Eaves uncredited work, that blows.
When I see designs that align to what I want as a customer, and they're ignored, that's frustrating.
I think others feel similarly.
And with Cryptic stating on their blog posts that ship sales matter -- and they IGNORE their own customers -- then there's little empathy to be given.
Yes, there should be. And yes, people should be kinder. People should be more constructive.
As you mentioned STO is the only trek game around and as such cryptic can do whatever they want since they have no competition in trek games.
So until there is another trek MMO that can go toe to toe with STO cryptic can just do whatever after all where else are we going to go to play a trek MMO?
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Dura? Is that you? :P
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I second this! Much better than what we actually got for the Federation in terms of designs.
Is that a leak of fleet T6 vesta? i love it
and will buy scryer because I love that new weird design but hate its boff and console layout
No different than you taking a swipe at people's religious beliefs.
Nothing personal, but I find it a little amusing that you hold this opinion while sporting a Wells Class in your sig line.
Personally, I find starships based on, or inspired by, 20th/21st Century stealth aircraft to be no more ridiculous than the Defiant Class, which Tony Meininger (a car enthusiast) designed using the sleek, fast lines of Ferrari sports/supercars as his inspiration. A very non-traditional approach to a non-traditional starship design.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I'm questioning people's decisions........and the intelligence behind those decisions.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
The developers have worked hard, you say "at least give us normal hall mats (no tron lines)" so they do, you say "fill in the scryer" so they do and so on
and some of you can still say to this hard work and responsiveness "f**k your work, its still not good enough, and it sucks"
imagine how it makes the developers sitting at their computers making theses ships feel to see these completely non-constructive comments? happy you say their work is ****? happy that their response to your requests was met with more hate? what if the people you work for suddenly came up to you out of the blue, and said "your work sucks, and there is no way to fix it"
Your assumption is false,the devs don't work for us,they work for PWE......PWE happy,devs happy.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
I really hope they come with a unique intelligence bridge. Something like the standard origin bridge but with darker lighting would be great.
so basically your saying that all the devs care about is their paycheck, not that their work is appreciated? wooooooooow
They care a lot less than you want them to....
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Unlikely, they just Haven't shown it yet.....
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
To be fair 'everyone' is entitled to their own opinion, and the forums are the place to
make that opinion heard. In an ideal world everyone should be able to get express thier
opinions, negative and positive alike, in a constructive, meaningful manner. That being
said, we dont live in an ideal world and there will always be things that for no particular
reason we can only define as me like or me not like. So then, there will always be a few
exceptional individuals who believe that thier anonimity makes it perfectly ok for them to
express themselves in a particular TRIBBLE fasion, they are indeed a very 'select' type of
forum user, and im confident thier comments are given the full level of attention they
deserve.
For comparison, look at the blog image, and compare that to a beautifully-rounded version. Do you see how much better the rounded version is? The N64 graphics simply don't fit in a 2014 game.
My Ship Builds: USS Conqueror, HMS Victorious, HMS Concord, ISS Queen Elizabeth, Black Widow III
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I'm not going to lie and say I love the Fed intel ships, but I like them more tham FRSV and DSSV.
My character Tsin'xing
Not a fan of the FRSV myself, but at least you can still clearly tell it's a Federation ship.
That one in the lower left is a beautiful design. Cryptic... you can do way better than you've done. You've done exceptional work on lots of your ships. This concept art is great! Why is the final product so off-the-mark?!
I've been repeatedly throwing my wallet at my screen for the last hour but I still can't buy that cruiser in the middle.
oh of course people are entitled to an opinion, its the asshats i was directing that to
We're customers.
If we don't like the product, then you better believe some of those customers are going to be vociferous about it.
Customers can opt to buy, or not buy, the product. Right now, Cryptic's STO is the only game of its kind. Cryptic is the stewart and shepherd of the Prime timeline in the gaming world; as such, expectations are higher among the fan base for a better quality product.
When Microsoft revamped the Windows UI with Windows 8, I wasn't saying, "bless those Developers. They sure worked hard on it; they deserve some credit for their work."
It is shameful for a community to be unreasonable, or hostile, or constantly negative. You make valid points in your post; it would be very tough to sit back and read diatribes and rants about your work.
But welcome to Real Life[tm].
Customers are pointing out problems, customers are not seeing product they truly want. Cryptic is relying moreso on decisions which aren't based on field marketing with the customer base, but personal preferences... internal decisions.
Why the rant?
When I see John Eaves uncredited work, that blows.
When I see designs that align to what I want as a customer, and they're ignored, that's frustrating.
I think others feel similarly.
And with Cryptic stating on podcasts that ship sales matter -- and they IGNORE their own customers -- then there's little empathy to be given.
Yes, there should be. And yes, people should be kinder. People should be more constructive.
Why apply atmospheric rules of stealth to space ships? Why make them glow blue? I just don't buy the explanations for these designs.
As you mentioned STO is the only trek game around and as such cryptic can do whatever they want since they have no competition in trek games.
So until there is another trek MMO that can go toe to toe with STO cryptic can just do whatever after all where else are we going to go to play a trek MMO?