No Romulan ship has cruiser commands. Is there a rule that Romulans cannot build cruisers?
Cryptic has come up with a number of excuses for that one. Not being "real" cruisers cause they are warbirds, they already have the singularity powers (which are already the compensation for the -40 in powerlevels), etc.
The real reason is probably they can't add them without completely breaking something else.
Cryptic has come up with a number of excuses for that one. Not being "real" cruisers cause they are warbirds, they already have the singularity powers (which are already the compensation for the -40 in powerlevels), etc.
The real reason is probably they can't add them without completely breaking something else.
Cryptic has come up with a number of excuses for that one. Not being "real" cruisers cause they are warbirds, they already have the singularity powers (which are already the compensation for the -40 in powerlevels), etc.
The real reason is probably they can't add them without completely breaking something else.
I imagine it's because all Romulan ships are flagged as *Warbirds*, also why the escort like Warbirds don't have the +10% evasion like Escorts do I imagine.
I would guess if they gave the T'varo, Dhelan, Mogai, and the others 10% evasion I imagine it might just go to all ships...same as the Cruiser Commands.
Just easier to ignore a faction they don't care about than put effort into making it so certain ships get certain things.
Cryptic has come up with a number of excuses for that one. Not being "real" cruisers cause they are warbirds, they already have the singularity powers (which are already the compensation for the -40 in powerlevels), etc.
The real reason is probably they can't add them without completely breaking something else.
OR maybe the real reason is that they think that singularity powers and battle cloak are good enough and giving them Cruiser Commands would be too much. Is that so difficult to accept?
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I'm still debating which of the new T6 Romulan ships I want to pick up for my Romulan Tactical Captain and I would appreciate some advice from the more experienced players out there.
I have no experience with playing the larger battle cruiser ships as I have only played with the smaller warbirds with high turn rate and dual heavy cannons. I do enjoy dropping out of cloak and unloading rapid fire cannons followed by high yield torps. I feel like I can destroy most targets in one good run, then cloak and set up for another run on the next target.
Now, in looking at the Aelahl I see that it has a battle cloak and can equip dual cannons but of course has a lower turn rate of 10 (vs. 19 on the Faeht). Is that lower turn rate still sufficient to reliably keep targets within the 45 degree arc of heavy cannons or is the Aelahl intended to be more of a "beam boat" that doesn't turn much, just firing beams at targets flying around it??
The Aelahl has both the higher hull strength and higher shield mod but the Faeht has the new active sensors and the Plasma Lance and enhanced cloak sound cool.
The Faeht has two intel boff spots but I'm not sure if that is good or not. You cant train existing boffs with intel skills so that means finding and retraining new boffs. Plus, using an intel skill means one less profession skill so I would have to give up skills I currently have and like to make room for intel skills.
I know I need to pick the ship that best matches my play style but I guess I'm not really clear what playstyle each ship is designed for.
Now, in looking at the Aelahl I see that it has a battle cloak and can equip dual cannons but of course has a lower turn rate of 10 (vs. 19 on the Faeht). Is that lower turn rate still sufficient to reliably keep targets within the 45 degree arc of heavy cannons or is the Aelahl intended to be more of a "beam boat" that doesn't turn much, just firing beams at targets flying around it??
In PvE, once you get the hang of doing things like reducing throttle to turn sharper, that's plenty of turnrate, and you can decently buff the turn rate with RCS consoles if you find it a hair slow. It sounds like your playstyle will work fine, as you actually have higher turnrate while cloaked than you do out of cloak.
In PvP you want the faster turnrate of the Faeht to line up enemy escorts if you're using cannons, as player ships can go quite a bit faster than NPCs can.
The Faeht has two intel boff spots but I'm not sure if that is good or not. You cant train existing boffs with intel skills so that means finding and retraining new boffs. Plus, using an intel skill means one less profession skill so I would have to give up skills I currently have and like to make room for intel skills.
None of us really know that yet, and it will take some experimentation after Delta Rising launches to get a feel for the things. The availability of Intel Officers with Superior Romulan Operative could be a sticking point Rom side, since that can give nice Crits that might not be worth giving up for the Intel powers.
Believe it or not, not everyone needs to try and show off their e-peen and don't need the biggest numbers to try and feel secure and meaningful inside.
This is a thread about which ship will be better, so of course the 500 ton gorilla that's not in this room because he is too big needs to be mentioned.
This is a thread about which ship will be better, so of course the 500 ton gorilla that's not in this room because he is too big needs to be mentioned.
Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. You said it yourself. The 500 ton gorilla is not in this room. There's a reason for that.
Look at the thread title again for me real quick. Do you see Scimitar in there anywhere? I see Faeht vs Aelah, telling me that this thread is about comparing the Faeht to the Aelahl in an attempt to decide which may be superior. What I don't see is Scimitar, which would imply that the Scimitar is not involved in this comparison.
Both ships are now viewable in the ship vendor on Tribble.
The Faeht has three "skins" One with 'downswept" wings similar to the Dhelan the second variant is the one we are used to seeing in all the promo's with a relatively horizontal or "flat" elevation to the wings. The third is similar to the Daeinos and T'Varo with quite noticeable "upswept" wings.
The Aelha? Well currently i only has one skin and frankly it's ... not pretty IMHO.
It's a large warbird, no doubt, and it retains it's "Romulanish" design, but it quite frankly like the Enginner's in the Romulan Shipyard had a spare D'Dex saucer (head_ laying around, and tried to "weld" it onto an Arky, except they didn't have enough metal, so they chopped some chunks out of the wings.
Both ships are now viewable in the ship vendor on Tribble.
The Faeht has three "skins" One with 'downswept" wings similar to the Dhelan the second variant is the one we are used to seeing in all the promo's with a relatively horizontal or "flat" elevation to the wings. The third is similar to the Daeinos and T'Varo with quite noticeable "upswept" wings.
The Aelha? Well currently i only has one skin and frankly it's ... not pretty IMHO.
It's a large warbird, no doubt, and it retains it's "Romulanish" design, but it quite frankly like the Enginner's in the Romulan Shipyard had a spare D'Dex saucer (head_ laying around, and tried to "weld" it onto an Arky, except they didn't have enough metal, so they chopped some chunks out of the wings.
You totally nailed it, when I saw the Faeht on tribble I started reconsidering my dislike of it, I dont fly small ships normally but I am kind of considering giving it a chance, the Aelha well lets just say from the front she looks great, from the side i'm kind of left scratching my head, it looks like a fusion of the DD, Arky, and from the back a mogai, I may fly it but it's design will have to grow on me. I always though a more streamlined DD would have been a better design to follow, kind of in keeping with the romulan dyson ship design but this just looks like romulan engineers just mated a bunch of ships and came up with this.
I'm a romulan noob, but I fully plan on getting a Faeht Intel Warbird upon release. I don't do a lot of PvP, but I'm enjoying a fast and agile tactical ships regardless...esp. with a photonic displacer. I get the feeling this ship will suit me nicely with the Intel and pilot spec mixed in.
It seems to have a balance between offence and defence in the ways I like...so why not. Besides, I don't like a lot of folk on my ship, so my fingers are crossed this is just the ticket for me in more than one respect.
:P
My theory on taking down a cruiser in this ship? Decloak, fire everything, photonic displcer, gather intel, cloak, reposition behind cruiser, decloak and fire everything...including the BEAM OF DOOM!
:rolleyes:
Make is snow Tovan...no seriously, I wanna go skiing now.
These two warbirds have been a bit of a rollercoaster between "want" and "do not want" for me.
The Faeht just looked plain cool when I first saw it it was easily the nicest looking of the intel ships as far as I was concerned (want!). Then I got a look at the console and BOff setup: Oh yay, another tactical warbird with a little bit of sci thrown in, I am overjoyed (do not want). But then I got a look at the three variants on tribble, and aside from the really downswept one that looks like someone tried to turn the ship into a boomerang I still love it.
Then there's the Aelahl. As soon as I heard the phrase "lighter more agile D'Deridex" my brain went "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" (want!!!). Then I got a good look at it, and while the BOff seating and consoles are what I want, the design only really looked good coming right at you, at least as a D'Deridex-ish design it was too front-heavy and totally lacked a tail (do not want). Then I got a better look at it on tribble and I realized something: Just because its role is similar to a lighter faster D'Deridex doesn't mean that's how it's look was achieved. As I looked closer I saw hints of the Mogai, Kumari, and (most intriguing of all) the D7. The ship looked similar to some older Romulan warbird designs I had seen (that I cannot for the life of me find now) where people tried to draw a connection between the D7s the Romulans got their hands on back in TOS and the D'Deridex, and when I looked at it that way it suddenly clicked again! The shape is a throwback, not to everyone's favorite TNG warbird (and one of my favorite ships in all of Trek-dom) but to the ships that (in-universe) led up to it. So we swing back to "want!" on this one.
Now I just need to win the lottery or something and I'll be good.
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well, now that they are out, whats the verdict? which is better? Ive yet to finish the download.
Have not got to fly either yet for an extended period of time but so far the Faeht has the edge, quicker, and way more manuverable and def favors a cannon/DBB build. Also the 5 console spots give a nice boost to firepower. The Aelah seemed a bit underwhelming at first with it only sporting 3 tac consoles, I hope to experiment with cannons or dual beams later, but so far I really like the Faeht. I wish they had given the Aelah 1 more tac console, 3 always seems a bit light for a battle cruiser. I may update this post tomorrow after testing with different weapon types.
Seeing as my Romulan is an engineer, I'll likely grab the Aelah. Got the Mogia originally because I wanted something more manuverable than the D'deridex, so this should work nicely.
well, now that they are out, whats the verdict? which is better? Ive yet to finish the download.
Depends what you want to do.
I've got my Aelahl rigged up with DBBs/Beams at the moment and the D'deridex 2-set; it does pretty much everything I was doing in my D'deridex.. better. I'd say it's like a supped up Mogai and its console does make up for the lack of Gravity Well(it does have a pull component on contact - like a gravimetric torp, but a bit stronger than actual GW).
Overall, it's a very nice, tough ship with a decent amount of control options. Damage feels a little on the light side, but you can probably make up for that with a Cannon build(with Pilot Spec and all those Eng consoles, it's more than capable of running them).
Was running alongside a Faeht in the Undine BZ yesterday and that ship certainly does seem to have the 'teeth' you'd expect from a T6 Attack Ship.
Well, I tried out the Faeht today... nice ship... my build stank though. I realized after I swapped ships that my old Mogai build wasn't recreatable so I had to cobble together a new one. Some of the new intel powers are cool. Some are situational.... and some are weaksauce... And I used the Tac intel guy without changing his skills.
The Faeht handles like a dream so far, although do be aware that E.Cloak remains incompatible with intel scanning. Quick turns, powerful engines, pathetic shields and hull until the fleet versions are out, but superb defense. Of note regarding vulnerabilities: if there's another intel ship scanning the target, you can pop an exploit-crash without disabling your cloak outright.
As usual, however, what's questionable is the gimmick console. It occasionally seems not to fire in heavy combat, simply going to cooldown, and it's no Spatial or Iso damagewise. Looks damn pretty though.
Maybe if it could fire while cloaked it would be worth it, but as is I'm considering dropping it.
Faeht i worse than my Vet ship, it lacks 10 % escrot bonus defence like all warbirds but Daeinos. Only good thing about it is turn and EBC.
Bad eng stations, bad hull, bad shields and since intel deastealth you it is useless.
The Faeht is nice because it seems like a T'varo mixed with a Ar'kif and my build transfered over pretty well to it for leveling and such. The Aelah is what I was looking for my Romulan engie before DR hit. A warbird that is like the big D but not as much of a boat to steer. It's a shame there isn't a science ship for my romulan science toon. The DR operations pack was too Fed friendly and KDF/Romulan unfriendly. Ah well I only paid $70 for it so I got a better deal out of it then most people.
EDIT: One thing I wish the Faeht had was a raptor emblem (think T'liss) for the bottom of the ship. I wish you could do that for a lot of Romulan ships but this one screams like it needs it.
Faeht vs Aelahl? This the same like compare Dhelan with doubleD , you can not play escort in same way as a cruisers. Second thing, that Aelahl can run a cannons- at least in pve very well. Faeht is new (and imo better) t'varo = new number one vaper in pvp. In addition - Faeht looks realy cool imo.
Tried out both ships yesterday and the aehal was disappointing. Im probably used to fully specced out kdf BCs with 4 tac consoles but damage was underwhelming. To top it off, even with AtB it didn't have full power in all non aux systems.
Now the Faeht was dream. Initially, I was concerned with so few eng boff powers but the alpha on this thing can drop LCDR sci powers like a Dhelan with a full alpha from CDR tac and can include the intel powers as well. It can even prep the tgt under EBC before it decloaks for an alpha. I didn't even bother to stick torps on this thing and still loved the EBC. This ship is a vapers dream. BTW the console is great for decloak --> use console --> hit defense debuff --> then unload alpha. It circumvents the lack of intel stacking while cloaked. It helps if your specced into plasma I guess. Lastly, use the intel boff powers they are awesome with this ship.
I'm seriously stuck between these two, and I can see pros and cons to both, but I'm deposit considering making the Faeht my first purchase instead of the Aelahl as I've been planning. In a way, I'm looking forward to adjusting my play style to the Faeht, even though the Aelahl would be much easier to start with..
For anyone flying a Faeht, what would you think of having two DHC, one DC, and a torp fore, with two turrets and a torp or mine aft, if not three turrets? I'm almost exclusively PVE, the only PVP I do is against friends. *The reason for the combination of DHC/DC is just for aesthetics; I hate having every main weapon fire endlessly from the same spots. I'm not playing for insane dps, or trying to have the game's most powerful ship.
The Faeht handles like a dream so far, although do be aware that E.Cloak remains incompatible with intel scanning. Quick turns, powerful engines, pathetic shields and hull until the fleet versions are out, but superb defense. Of note regarding vulnerabilities: if there's another intel ship scanning the target, you can pop an exploit-crash without disabling your cloak outright.
As usual, however, what's questionable is the gimmick console. It occasionally seems not to fire in heavy combat, simply going to cooldown, and it's no Spatial or Iso damagewise. Looks damn pretty though.
Maybe if it could fire while cloaked it would be worth it, but as is I'm considering dropping it.
with intel powers, this little guy is screaming submarine. I threw on a bunch of beam and did an faw run in undine battlezone. it was fun, but the enhanced battle cloak... god I think a new bomber build is what she is designed for
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Cryptic has come up with a number of excuses for that one. Not being "real" cruisers cause they are warbirds, they already have the singularity powers (which are already the compensation for the -40 in powerlevels), etc.
The real reason is probably they can't add them without completely breaking something else.
Thats never stopped them before:D
I was actually expecting that setup with a Rommie twist of course.... Sadly I was let down as always with Rommie stuff it seems... :rolleyes:
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I imagine it's because all Romulan ships are flagged as *Warbirds*, also why the escort like Warbirds don't have the +10% evasion like Escorts do I imagine.
I would guess if they gave the T'varo, Dhelan, Mogai, and the others 10% evasion I imagine it might just go to all ships...same as the Cruiser Commands.
Just easier to ignore a faction they don't care about than put effort into making it so certain ships get certain things.
OR maybe the real reason is that they think that singularity powers and battle cloak are good enough and giving them Cruiser Commands would be too much. Is that so difficult to accept?
I have no experience with playing the larger battle cruiser ships as I have only played with the smaller warbirds with high turn rate and dual heavy cannons. I do enjoy dropping out of cloak and unloading rapid fire cannons followed by high yield torps. I feel like I can destroy most targets in one good run, then cloak and set up for another run on the next target.
Now, in looking at the Aelahl I see that it has a battle cloak and can equip dual cannons but of course has a lower turn rate of 10 (vs. 19 on the Faeht). Is that lower turn rate still sufficient to reliably keep targets within the 45 degree arc of heavy cannons or is the Aelahl intended to be more of a "beam boat" that doesn't turn much, just firing beams at targets flying around it??
The Aelahl has both the higher hull strength and higher shield mod but the Faeht has the new active sensors and the Plasma Lance and enhanced cloak sound cool.
The Faeht has two intel boff spots but I'm not sure if that is good or not. You cant train existing boffs with intel skills so that means finding and retraining new boffs. Plus, using an intel skill means one less profession skill so I would have to give up skills I currently have and like to make room for intel skills.
I know I need to pick the ship that best matches my play style but I guess I'm not really clear what playstyle each ship is designed for.
Thanks!
In PvE, once you get the hang of doing things like reducing throttle to turn sharper, that's plenty of turnrate, and you can decently buff the turn rate with RCS consoles if you find it a hair slow. It sounds like your playstyle will work fine, as you actually have higher turnrate while cloaked than you do out of cloak.
In PvP you want the faster turnrate of the Faeht to line up enemy escorts if you're using cannons, as player ships can go quite a bit faster than NPCs can.
None of us really know that yet, and it will take some experimentation after Delta Rising launches to get a feel for the things. The availability of Intel Officers with Superior Romulan Operative could be a sticking point Rom side, since that can give nice Crits that might not be worth giving up for the Intel powers.
This is a thread about which ship will be better, so of course the 500 ton gorilla that's not in this room because he is too big needs to be mentioned.
Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. You said it yourself. The 500 ton gorilla is not in this room. There's a reason for that.
Look at the thread title again for me real quick. Do you see Scimitar in there anywhere? I see Faeht vs Aelah, telling me that this thread is about comparing the Faeht to the Aelahl in an attempt to decide which may be superior. What I don't see is Scimitar, which would imply that the Scimitar is not involved in this comparison.
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The Faeht has three "skins" One with 'downswept" wings similar to the Dhelan the second variant is the one we are used to seeing in all the promo's with a relatively horizontal or "flat" elevation to the wings. The third is similar to the Daeinos and T'Varo with quite noticeable "upswept" wings.
The Aelha? Well currently i only has one skin and frankly it's ... not pretty IMHO.
It's a large warbird, no doubt, and it retains it's "Romulanish" design, but it quite frankly like the Enginner's in the Romulan Shipyard had a spare D'Dex saucer (head_ laying around, and tried to "weld" it onto an Arky, except they didn't have enough metal, so they chopped some chunks out of the wings.
You totally nailed it, when I saw the Faeht on tribble I started reconsidering my dislike of it, I dont fly small ships normally but I am kind of considering giving it a chance, the Aelha well lets just say from the front she looks great, from the side i'm kind of left scratching my head, it looks like a fusion of the DD, Arky, and from the back a mogai, I may fly it but it's design will have to grow on me. I always though a more streamlined DD would have been a better design to follow, kind of in keeping with the romulan dyson ship design but this just looks like romulan engineers just mated a bunch of ships and came up with this.
It seems to have a balance between offence and defence in the ways I like...so why not. Besides, I don't like a lot of folk on my ship, so my fingers are crossed this is just the ticket for me in more than one respect.
:P
My theory on taking down a cruiser in this ship? Decloak, fire everything, photonic displcer, gather intel, cloak, reposition behind cruiser, decloak and fire everything...including the BEAM OF DOOM!
:rolleyes:
Make is snow Tovan...no seriously, I wanna go skiing now.
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The Faeht just looked plain cool when I first saw it it was easily the nicest looking of the intel ships as far as I was concerned (want!). Then I got a look at the console and BOff setup: Oh yay, another tactical warbird with a little bit of sci thrown in, I am overjoyed (do not want). But then I got a look at the three variants on tribble, and aside from the really downswept one that looks like someone tried to turn the ship into a boomerang I still love it.
Then there's the Aelahl. As soon as I heard the phrase "lighter more agile D'Deridex" my brain went "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" (want!!!). Then I got a good look at it, and while the BOff seating and consoles are what I want, the design only really looked good coming right at you, at least as a D'Deridex-ish design it was too front-heavy and totally lacked a tail (do not want). Then I got a better look at it on tribble and I realized something: Just because its role is similar to a lighter faster D'Deridex doesn't mean that's how it's look was achieved. As I looked closer I saw hints of the Mogai, Kumari, and (most intriguing of all) the D7. The ship looked similar to some older Romulan warbird designs I had seen (that I cannot for the life of me find now) where people tried to draw a connection between the D7s the Romulans got their hands on back in TOS and the D'Deridex, and when I looked at it that way it suddenly clicked again! The shape is a throwback, not to everyone's favorite TNG warbird (and one of my favorite ships in all of Trek-dom) but to the ships that (in-universe) led up to it. So we swing back to "want!" on this one.
Now I just need to win the lottery or something and I'll be good.
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Have not got to fly either yet for an extended period of time but so far the Faeht has the edge, quicker, and way more manuverable and def favors a cannon/DBB build. Also the 5 console spots give a nice boost to firepower. The Aelah seemed a bit underwhelming at first with it only sporting 3 tac consoles, I hope to experiment with cannons or dual beams later, but so far I really like the Faeht. I wish they had given the Aelah 1 more tac console, 3 always seems a bit light for a battle cruiser. I may update this post tomorrow after testing with different weapon types.
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Depends what you want to do.
I've got my Aelahl rigged up with DBBs/Beams at the moment and the D'deridex 2-set; it does pretty much everything I was doing in my D'deridex.. better. I'd say it's like a supped up Mogai and its console does make up for the lack of Gravity Well(it does have a pull component on contact - like a gravimetric torp, but a bit stronger than actual GW).
Overall, it's a very nice, tough ship with a decent amount of control options. Damage feels a little on the light side, but you can probably make up for that with a Cannon build(with Pilot Spec and all those Eng consoles, it's more than capable of running them).
Was running alongside a Faeht in the Undine BZ yesterday and that ship certainly does seem to have the 'teeth' you'd expect from a T6 Attack Ship.
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As usual, however, what's questionable is the gimmick console. It occasionally seems not to fire in heavy combat, simply going to cooldown, and it's no Spatial or Iso damagewise. Looks damn pretty though.
Maybe if it could fire while cloaked it would be worth it, but as is I'm considering dropping it.
Bad eng stations, bad hull, bad shields and since intel deastealth you it is useless.
Leveled it only for a trait to use on mah T5U.
EDIT: One thing I wish the Faeht had was a raptor emblem (think T'liss) for the bottom of the ship. I wish you could do that for a lot of Romulan ships but this one screams like it needs it.
Now the Faeht was dream. Initially, I was concerned with so few eng boff powers but the alpha on this thing can drop LCDR sci powers like a Dhelan with a full alpha from CDR tac and can include the intel powers as well. It can even prep the tgt under EBC before it decloaks for an alpha. I didn't even bother to stick torps on this thing and still loved the EBC. This ship is a vapers dream. BTW the console is great for decloak --> use console --> hit defense debuff --> then unload alpha. It circumvents the lack of intel stacking while cloaked. It helps if your specced into plasma I guess. Lastly, use the intel boff powers they are awesome with this ship.
For anyone flying a Faeht, what would you think of having two DHC, one DC, and a torp fore, with two turrets and a torp or mine aft, if not three turrets? I'm almost exclusively PVE, the only PVP I do is against friends. *The reason for the combination of DHC/DC is just for aesthetics; I hate having every main weapon fire endlessly from the same spots. I'm not playing for insane dps, or trying to have the game's most powerful ship.
My character Tsin'xing
with intel powers, this little guy is screaming submarine. I threw on a bunch of beam and did an faw run in undine battlezone. it was fun, but the enhanced battle cloak... god I think a new bomber build is what she is designed for