Bendalek's post is spot on! A Sci/Int ship would have been perfect.
We really don't need another Escort like ship just like the KDF doesn't need another Battlecruiser...Cryptic just loves messing with their hated factions.
They give us something that has sorta been wanted to shut us up...the RR gets a nimble Battlecruiser and the KDF gets a new Raptor...but yet give us each Intel ships of the least needed class for both of us...while Sci is neglected for both and we both are severely lacking in the Sci department.
My guess is, whoever does the ship spec designs for Romulans, is a moron, who only knows how to fly one ship and play one style, so that's what every ship except 3 is.
3 ships out of the entire range (not including the Scimi, which should never have made a playable ship) But even counting it, it's only then 4 ships ...
Then look at the BoFF seating, Console layouts and turn rates, and they are all almost identical !
Romulans need Sci Destroyer/Scout (as do the Klingons really)
And there is not one single Battlecruiser in the entire Romulan Fleet in STO ... Not 1
We 2 have whales and one Dreadnought ...
A Battlecruiser has 4 x 4 Weapons and at LEAST a 9 turn rate and with at LEAST 1 Lt Cmdr Tac seat, and at LEAST 3 Tac consoles and at LEAST 40,000 Hull.
Definitely, definitely agree with the lack of variety for Romulan ships. I play a sci captain, so the fleet certainly is a little battle heavy for my tastes. But, going on canon references, Romulan ships are almost always referred to in the shows and movies as a 'warbird' or something else that contains the word 'battle.' Sure, the RSE and now the Republic too do science stuff, but it makes sense given onscreen evidence that science is secondary to big cruisers and tac-heavy ships - it's an element, but always secondary.
That said, I do really like the Scimitar as a playable ship - in my case, a Tulwar. Given that the Remans were brought properly into Romulan society with Donatra's extended hand, it makes perfect sense that the Scimitar's design was adapted for full use. It's not like the RSE had time either post-Shinzon or post-Hobus to design brand new capital ships anyways.
Especially given it's enhanced battle cloak, the Fajita Warbird would be perfect with just a few sci-ish changes.
Commander Sci, Lt.Cmdr and Lt tac, Lt.Cmdr Engi, universal ensign.
Remove one forward weapon, give it a secondary deflector slot.
Obviously, +5 engine changed to +5 Aux.
Why no beam targeting (which I care little for) or sensor scan (which I adore)?
Because they'd be fake buffs. The former is offline while cloaked, and the latter outright shuts your cloak down till you turn it off, neither of which is too compatible with EBC gameplay. But removing a weapon needs something in exchange and it needs a sciencey buff, so deflector it is.
To be entirely honest though, it's very hard to make a strong fighting science boat when you're totalling about 42 energy behind everyone else though. EBC torp sci would pretty much be the only path for it anyhow.
Alternatively just make that heavy plasma lance (and the other faction equivalents) into an actual fused weapon or something. "nothing but the 3 minutes" consoles tend to get shoved into the bank and forgotten for a reason.
Especially given it's enhanced battle cloak, the Fajita Warbird would be perfect with just a few sci-ish changes.
Commander Sci, Lt.Cmdr and Lt tac, Lt.Cmdr Engi, universal ensign.
Remove one forward weapon, give it a secondary deflector slot.
Obviously, +5 engine changed to +5 Aux.
Why no beam targeting (which I care little for) or sensor scan (which I adore)?
Because they'd be fake buffs. The former is offline while cloaked, and the latter outright shuts your cloak down till you turn it off, neither of which is too compatible with EBC gameplay. But removing a weapon needs something in exchange and it needs a sciencey buff, so deflector it is.
To be entirely honest though, it's very hard to make a strong fighting science boat when you're totalling about 42 energy behind everyone else though. EBC torp sci would pretty much be the only path for it anyhow.
Alternatively just make that heavy plasma lance (and the other faction equivalents) into an actual fused weapon or something. "nothing but the 3 minutes" consoles tend to get shoved into the bank and forgotten for a reason.
But then it will just be a inferior Sci ship with REBC...You don't see people building torp boats out of many types of ships except Sci ships...they have decent to almost Escort like turning on some, with only 3 forward weapons they have the least punch, and SA which improves all damage...torps and sci abilities.
Believe it or not, not everyone needs to try and show off their e-peen and don't need the biggest numbers to try and feel secure and meaningful inside.
Ugh. Getting tired of waiting for the Aelah official specs.
My guess for the Aelah is more or less the Qib/Eclipse (slightly lower hull HP than either) specs with the Lt. Comm Engineer changed to Lt. Comm Sci/Intel and Lt. Sci/Intel to Lt. Eng/Intel similar to what was done with the Faeht compared to the Phantom, along with dropping the Intel from the Comm Eng since non-Intel ships can't have Commander Intel slots. Likely Singularity Abilities, but no Cruiser Communications Array, too.
I'm more of a Battle Crusier person, and rather like the secondary Sci capability of things like the D'D and mirror Negh'var so I'd lean towards the Aelah if my guess is close, but the rather low Tac capabilites make at least single Aux2Batt a near requirement, unless Intel abilities can fill in the gap slotted in the Sci or Engineering BOff. Aux2Bat makes Gravity Well usage more of a problem, with needing good timing and/or popping of Aux Batts or EPtA, though not impossible by any means.
Ugh. Getting tired of waiting for the Aelah official specs.
My guess for the Aelah is more or less the Qib/Eclipse (slightly lower hull HP than either) specs with the Lt. Comm Engineer changed to Lt. Comm Sci/Intel and Lt. Sci/Intel to Lt. Eng/Intel similar to what was done with the Faeht compared to the Phantom, along with dropping the Intel from the Comm Eng since non-Intel ships can't have Commander Intel slots. Likely Singularity Abilities, but no Cruiser Communications Array, too.
Since the Aelah is not a Intel ship I think it will be somewhat different. As for where the Intel officer can sit... I think Lt, if not an Intel ship.
I would like to think Battlecruiser style, 9 to 10 turn rate, Eng Commander, Tac & Sci Lt.Com Uni Lt & Ens. Or more likely a Eng Lt. Don't know what kind of console it would have but.
That would be a nice ship for the Cruiser captains out there, although not for my Rom.
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From that angle, it looks a lot more compact than I was expecting. Perhaps it might end up being the Romulan equivalent to the Avenger/Mogh? Atleast, that's the vibe I'm getting from it. I'm going to be disappointed if it can't run Gravity Well..
From that angle, it looks a lot more compact than I was expecting. Perhaps it might end up being the Romulan equivalent to the Avenger/Mogh? Atleast, that's the vibe I'm getting from it. I'm going to be disappointed if it can't run Gravity Well..
Fine looking ship but im still getting the other one as its consoles are close to my fleet ar'kiff it will be easy to slot them
I'd be kinda keen to see romulans steal the Andorian specs
5/2 escort with wing cannons, i just love the Thump-Thump when the wing cannons fire on the andorian.
But yea, highly disappointed with the Faeht. Its just a t'varo with a new skin and some intellligence boff.
Please please...no no
The Republic has enough Tac ships...we're finally getting a Agile Battlecruiser...maybe we can get some Science or Carrier love next. (Can be a twofer easily enough.)
From that angle, it looks a lot more compact than I was expecting. Perhaps it might end up being the Romulan equivalent to the Avenger/Mogh? Atleast, that's the vibe I'm getting from it. I'm going to be disappointed if it can't run Gravity Well..
I think it is intended to fill the same role as the Avenger/Mogh.
To that end, maybe they'll take the D'Deridex BOff layout and bump up the ensign universal to Lt., which would be the same as the Mogh/Avenger layout with the Lt. Sci bumped to Lt. Comm. That'd be a pretty fun layout, actually. You could run Aux2Batt, double up on TT and cannon abilities, or grab slightly more Sci (Photonic Bridge Officer might be more useful when combo'ed with the new Delta Rep console and the other cooldown gear already out) depending on desires.
Is it just me or does it look like the romulan version of the White Star from babylon 5 lol:D
If only it could slot the console from the Ar'kif retrofit, which mimics the White Star's main battery pretty well. I actually named my Ar'kif R.R.W. Saeihr'eisiy (literal translation, "star white", but it's close enough for me)
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I wonder if the Aelahl will be able to use the D'deridex skin, since its clearly a D'deridex inspired ship, both in look and its supposed to come with a different version of the singularity projector.
I wonder if the Aelahl will be able to use the D'deridex skin, since its clearly a D'deridex inspired ship, both in look and its supposed to come with a different version of the singularity projector.
It does sound similar, but seems to trade the (extremely powerful)gravity well for pure exotic damage. Honestly, the thing that came to mind when I read the description was a Point Singularity Projector from Andromeda.
I'd be kinda keen to see romulans steal the Andorian specs
5/2 escort with wing cannons, i just love the Thump-Thump when the wing cannons fire on the andorian..
As another postee already mentioned ... NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!
ARrrggh ... Nnnnooo ....The LAST thing we Romulans need is another b****y Escort/Raptor type ship ... Nnnooo!
We NEED another Science ship, which the TRIBBLE is ... kind of ... So now we NEED a proper Battlecruiser ... A ship with decent 4 x 4 firepower and BoFF seating, that can actually MOVE and can outrun and out turn a concrete slab!
I'd be happy to see it be either a battle cruiser or science ship. Given it's the Republic's new version of the D'deridex, I'd expect battle cruiser.
It says Battle Cruiser right on it's picture on the DR pack. Hopefully it's Mogh/Avenger or Fleet Tor'kaht decently-turning type of Battle Cruiser, not a Bortasqu' Battle Cruiser slow boat. I'd expect turnrate and consoles to be similar, if not identical, to the Eclipse and Qib with the main difference being the BOff layout, particularly what gets Intelligence sub-seating. However, that's just my guess based on the Phantom and Faeht being so similar outside of the BOff layout.
Stats are very interesting, a little disappointed they went with 3 tac consoles instead of 4 but hopefully will be resolved with the fleet variant. Turn rate is very nice, will def be getting this. Been waiting for something new and interesting (not necessarily more powerful) to pry me out of the scimi and a ship that can turn, use cannons, and doesn't take up an entire sector block will be a nice change. Not to mention not having to worry about watching me speed to avoid sliding all over the place in battle is nice too. Only thing I can say is hurry up with the fleet ship versions!:D
prior to the Aelah's stats release I was thinking of running with a fleet dhelan t5U, fleet ar'kiff T5U, An the fleet D'Deridex T5U. An the T6 intel warbird ( feaht).
Now I'm stronging considering saving the zen and not upgrade the D'deridex,fleet. Instead replace it with the Aelah. toon wise mainly have rom tac and rom sci
I was really hoping the Eh Lol would be the RR's 5/3 answer to the Avenger/Mogh, but whatever. It's still second on my list of DR ships to buy behind the Faeht.
I was really hoping the Eh Lol would be the RR's 5/3 answer to the Avenger/Mogh, but whatever. It's still second on my list of DR ships to buy behind the Faeht.
Same here. To be honest, I was hoping for just a mogh/avenger Romulan re-skin. Ah well, guess I'll just upgrade my scimitar.
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We really don't need another Escort like ship just like the KDF doesn't need another Battlecruiser...Cryptic just loves messing with their hated factions.
They give us something that has sorta been wanted to shut us up...the RR gets a nimble Battlecruiser and the KDF gets a new Raptor...but yet give us each Intel ships of the least needed class for both of us...while Sci is neglected for both and we both are severely lacking in the Sci department.
Seriously go down the list here http://sto.gamepedia.com/Romulan_playable_starship
3 ships out of the entire range (not including the Scimi, which should never have made a playable ship) But even counting it, it's only then 4 ships ...
Then look at the BoFF seating, Console layouts and turn rates, and they are all almost identical !
Romulans need Sci Destroyer/Scout (as do the Klingons really)
And there is not one single Battlecruiser in the entire Romulan Fleet in STO ... Not 1
We 2 have whales and one Dreadnought ...
A Battlecruiser has 4 x 4 Weapons and at LEAST a 9 turn rate and with at LEAST 1 Lt Cmdr Tac seat, and at LEAST 3 Tac consoles and at LEAST 40,000 Hull.
That said, I do really like the Scimitar as a playable ship - in my case, a Tulwar. Given that the Remans were brought properly into Romulan society with Donatra's extended hand, it makes perfect sense that the Scimitar's design was adapted for full use. It's not like the RSE had time either post-Shinzon or post-Hobus to design brand new capital ships anyways.
Commander Sci, Lt.Cmdr and Lt tac, Lt.Cmdr Engi, universal ensign.
Remove one forward weapon, give it a secondary deflector slot.
Obviously, +5 engine changed to +5 Aux.
Why no beam targeting (which I care little for) or sensor scan (which I adore)?
Because they'd be fake buffs. The former is offline while cloaked, and the latter outright shuts your cloak down till you turn it off, neither of which is too compatible with EBC gameplay. But removing a weapon needs something in exchange and it needs a sciencey buff, so deflector it is.
To be entirely honest though, it's very hard to make a strong fighting science boat when you're totalling about 42 energy behind everyone else though. EBC torp sci would pretty much be the only path for it anyhow.
Alternatively just make that heavy plasma lance (and the other faction equivalents) into an actual fused weapon or something. "nothing but the 3 minutes" consoles tend to get shoved into the bank and forgotten for a reason.
But then it will just be a inferior Sci ship with REBC...You don't see people building torp boats out of many types of ships except Sci ships...they have decent to almost Escort like turning on some, with only 3 forward weapons they have the least punch, and SA which improves all damage...torps and sci abilities.
The last thing the romulans (or the game in general) need is something that's even better than the 5U Scimitar.
Believe it or not, not everyone needs to try and show off their e-peen and don't need the biggest numbers to try and feel secure and meaningful inside.
My guess for the Aelah is more or less the Qib/Eclipse (slightly lower hull HP than either) specs with the Lt. Comm Engineer changed to Lt. Comm Sci/Intel and Lt. Sci/Intel to Lt. Eng/Intel similar to what was done with the Faeht compared to the Phantom, along with dropping the Intel from the Comm Eng since non-Intel ships can't have Commander Intel slots. Likely Singularity Abilities, but no Cruiser Communications Array, too.
I'm more of a Battle Crusier person, and rather like the secondary Sci capability of things like the D'D and mirror Negh'var so I'd lean towards the Aelah if my guess is close, but the rather low Tac capabilites make at least single Aux2Batt a near requirement, unless Intel abilities can fill in the gap slotted in the Sci or Engineering BOff. Aux2Bat makes Gravity Well usage more of a problem, with needing good timing and/or popping of Aux Batts or EPtA, though not impossible by any means.
5/2 escort with wing cannons, i just love the Thump-Thump when the wing cannons fire on the andorian.
But yea, highly disappointed with the Faeht. Its just a t'varo with a new skin and some intellligence boff.
Since the Aelah is not a Intel ship I think it will be somewhat different. As for where the Intel officer can sit... I think Lt, if not an Intel ship.
I would like to think Battlecruiser style, 9 to 10 turn rate, Eng Commander, Tac & Sci Lt.Com Uni Lt & Ens. Or more likely a Eng Lt. Don't know what kind of console it would have but.
That would be a nice ship for the Cruiser captains out there, although not for my Rom.
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From that angle, it looks a lot more compact than I was expecting. Perhaps it might end up being the Romulan equivalent to the Avenger/Mogh? Atleast, that's the vibe I'm getting from it. I'm going to be disappointed if it can't run Gravity Well..
Fine looking ship but im still getting the other one as its consoles are close to my fleet ar'kiff it will be easy to slot them
Please please...no no
The Republic has enough Tac ships...we're finally getting a Agile Battlecruiser...maybe we can get some Science or Carrier love next. (Can be a twofer easily enough.)
I think it is intended to fill the same role as the Avenger/Mogh.
To that end, maybe they'll take the D'Deridex BOff layout and bump up the ensign universal to Lt., which would be the same as the Mogh/Avenger layout with the Lt. Sci bumped to Lt. Comm. That'd be a pretty fun layout, actually. You could run Aux2Batt, double up on TT and cannon abilities, or grab slightly more Sci (Photonic Bridge Officer might be more useful when combo'ed with the new Delta Rep console and the other cooldown gear already out) depending on desires.
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It does sound similar, but seems to trade the (extremely powerful)gravity well for pure exotic damage. Honestly, the thing that came to mind when I read the description was a Point Singularity Projector from Andromeda.
Not seeing it. The Rom DSD, yeah, but not this. Strikes more as something from Enterprise, with how the nacelle and under-wing pods look.
As another postee already mentioned ... NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!
ARrrggh ... Nnnnooo ....The LAST thing we Romulans need is another b****y Escort/Raptor type ship ... Nnnooo!
We NEED another Science ship, which the TRIBBLE is ... kind of ... So now we NEED a proper Battlecruiser ... A ship with decent 4 x 4 firepower and BoFF seating, that can actually MOVE and can outrun and out turn a concrete slab!
It says Battle Cruiser right on it's picture on the DR pack. Hopefully it's Mogh/Avenger or Fleet Tor'kaht decently-turning type of Battle Cruiser, not a Bortasqu' Battle Cruiser slow boat. I'd expect turnrate and consoles to be similar, if not identical, to the Eclipse and Qib with the main difference being the BOff layout, particularly what gets Intelligence sub-seating. However, that's just my guess based on the Phantom and Faeht being so similar outside of the BOff layout.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7006993
Looks like it's a battlecloaking Vorcha/Torkaht that trades a tac console for a 5th eng console.
Now I'm stronging considering saving the zen and not upgrade the D'deridex,fleet. Instead replace it with the Aelah. toon wise mainly have rom tac and rom sci
True point - I guess I was more wondering what 'battle cruiser' was actually going to mean on a mini-D'deridex.
The Aelahl is a must-buy for me. Very workable BOFF layout for a lot of builds, and it looks like it can both take and dish out a beating pretty well.
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Same here. To be honest, I was hoping for just a mogh/avenger Romulan re-skin. Ah well, guess I'll just upgrade my scimitar.