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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Kinda disappointed with just 3 tact consoles but oh well, can't have everything!

    Silver lining: Fleet Qib will have 4 tactical consoles. ;)

    Truly, more or less this is what I hoped for from this ship. Strong hull, K'tinga turn rate, solid intertia and a battlecloak. Lt.Cmdr tac. mmmmm :P For someone that's been playing battlecruisers and cruisers mostly in STO, this is a chocolate cake. I'm already fantasizing on a potential build, even thugh I have no idea of the intel Boff abilities.
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  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Silver lining: Fleet Qib will have 4 tactical consoles. ;)

    Truly, more or less this is what I hoped for from this ship. Strong hull, K'tinga turn rate, solid intertia and a battlecloak. Lt.Cmdr tac. mmmmm :P For someone that's been playing battlecruisers and cruisers mostly in STO, this is a chocolate cake. I'm already fantasizing on a potential build, even thugh I have no idea of the intel Boff abilities.

    With that starship mastery trait. My plans for a cannon/torp boat went right out the window. So much for using Transport Warhead. ohh welllll. Delicious all cannon boat here i come.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    With that starship mastery trait. My plans for a cannon/torp boat went right out the window. So much for using Transport Warhead. ohh welllll. Delicious all cannon boat here i come.

    It would be such a friggin' waste not to utilize the cannons on this one. I have like a 1000 thoughts in my head now about utilizing the ship, but getting cannons on target with this is a non-issue. :)
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  • sechserpackungsechserpackung Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hm, meh. Hoped for a 5/3 (4 tac consoles will likely be fleet) and around 5 tac boff slots.

    So basically throw in all the stuff from my Fleet Vor'Cha -1 tac console, find out what I will put into the engie console and then 2 Tac team, 2 Cannon skills for tac and thinking about what I want to do with an additional two engie powers.

    Probably gonna dump EWP into them.
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  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hm, meh. Hoped for a 5/3 (4 tac consoles will likely be fleet) and around 5 tac boff slots.

    So basically throw in all the stuff from my Fleet Vor'Cha -1 tac console, find out what I will put into the engie console and then 2 Tac team, 2 Cannon skills for tac and thinking about what I want to do with an additional two engie powers.

    Probably gonna dump EWP into them.

    Well to be fair. 5/3 woulda kinda invalidated the Mogh. Unless you was min-maxing for maximum with its higher number of tact consoles. But Qib starship trait and the intel ship abilities might make up for it.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Looking at the stats of the Qib, the universal consoles, the weapon layout, the console layout... not sure what Cryptic's thinking was.

    And the Battlecrusier gets a BC and not the Raptor?
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    And the Battlecrusier gets a BC and not the Raptor?

    The battlecruiser is of the new breed of "intel" ships, that's why it gets battlecloak. They "upped" the cloaking on intel ships by 1 level, so Fed ones get cloak, KDF ones get battlecloak and Romulan ones get EBC.

    The Raptor is a standard Raptor even though it's a T6, so it's getting the standard Raptor cloak.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    The battlecruiser is of the new breed of "intel" ships, that's why it gets battlecloak. They "upped" the cloaking on intel ships by 1 level, so Fed ones get cloak, KDF ones get battlecloak and Romulan ones get EBC.

    The Raptor is a standard Raptor even though it's a T6, so it's getting the standard Raptor cloak.

    IMO they should have both had a battle cloak since references to raptors stated they moved from being the heavy ship from that enterprise era to being more of a recon type ship.

    One gripe I have though is that 1 of the fed T6 ships and the romulan t6 ship they both get 5 tact consoles out of the c-store not to mention not even a fleet one out yet. Yet we only get one and its a crappy 3 console ship it is basically a b'rel with a little bit more hull tbh. Plus the fact they have done nothing to put us on par with romulans when it comes to battle cloaks because roms have a way of extending the cloak ambush where as non-rom kdf cannot do this.

    Qib intel battlecruiser is the new bortasqu' they couldn't go long without having a new ship for us to complain about. It looks nice but it was very poorly developed. Since its stats make it worse than a fleet vorcha lol.
  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    IMO they should have both had a battle cloak since references to raptors stated they moved from being the heavy ship from that enterprise era to being more of a recon type ship.

    One gripe I have though is that 1 of the fed T6 ships and the romulan t6 ship they both get 5 tact consoles out of the c-store not to mention not even a fleet one out yet. Yet we only get one and its a crappy 3 console ship it is basically a b'rel with a little bit more hull tbh. Plus the fact they have done nothing to put us on par with romulans when it comes to battle cloaks because roms have a way of extending the cloak ambush where as non-rom kdf cannot do this.

    Qib intel battlecruiser is the new bortasqu' they couldn't go long without having a new ship for us to complain about. It looks nice but it was very poorly developed. Since its stats make it worse than a fleet vorcha lol.

    To be fair, don't forget that its a basic Z-Store model. If you look closely at the announcement page. Fleet versions will be released not too long after.

    So possibly a 4 tact console Qib.

    Personally I think it'll depend on how long you can keep the sensor effects up and active runtime wise. It might make up for it.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I have to say, I was a bit surprised to see that the Qib is superior to the Eclipse in every way. Not only does it get the battlecloak, but it also turns faster and has more hull(has the same shield mod as the Eclipse too).

    The mastery trait is a bit strange for the ship, but I might actually consider picking up the Qib if it's not too tiny in size. It looks like a pretty good workhorse.
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The Qib is pre-nerfed...and the Devs wonder why the KDF's player base is so low.

    5 TOTALLY AWSUM eng console slots and a drain ability.

    No lance like the Feddies and Rommies got, nope.
    We get the awsumness that is a weapon drain.
    At least it can be boosted to TOTAL AWSUM with all 2 sci console slots.

    Well...at least Cryptic is consistent.
    Completely out of touch with Redside.
    I bet they were high 5'ing each other thinking this was an AWSUM idea.
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  • tksmittytksmitty Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rezking wrote: »
    The Qib is pre-nerfed...and the Devs wonder why the KDF's player base is so low.

    5 TOTALLY AWSUM eng console slots and a drain ability.

    No lance like the Feddies and Rommies got, nope.
    We get the awsumness that is a weapon drain.
    At least it can be boosted to TOTAL AWSUM with all 2 sci console slots.

    Well...at least Cryptic is consistent.
    Completely out of touch with Redside.
    I bet they were high 5'ing each other thinking this was an AWSUM idea.

    I'm just disappointed it lacks a 5/3 layout.

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  • overlapooverlapo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    As I expected, the new ships are pretty basic in their layout. I will probably get it, depending on aux2bat nerfs (this ship is especially built for that) and the fleet version's console placement and availability.
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    as a kdf pvp-er I am totally disappointed. This ship is not the best for pve (better a upgraded lockbox ship) and in not enough to create a competitive kdf team for pvp (do not belive that t5u ships will be good for pvp, not after they will release fleet t6 ships).
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  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2014
    We're not going to get a Cruiser with 5 Tac Consoles. Nobody will.

    The MaHahahaha will get 5 Tac Consoles, I believe we also get an Intel Raptor with 5 Tac Consoles and the Disruptor Lance we're just not getting it at launch.

    I'd go so far as to buy a 3 pack of KDF Intel Vessels right now if they announced them and a decent release date.

    And remember once you unlock the 5th level trait you can use it on other ships.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    IMO they should have both had a battle cloak since references to raptors stated they moved from being the heavy ship from that enterprise era to being more of a recon type ship.

    Well, if you ask me every cloaking ship should have battlecloak based on lore. However, this is obviously Crypticverse where we are, so I'm just explaining their logic behind their moves. Not commenting wheather they're good or bad.
    One gripe I have though is that 1 of the fed T6 ships and the romulan t6 ship they both get 5 tact consoles out of the c-store not to mention not even a fleet one out yet. Yet we only get one and its a crappy 3 console ship it is basically a b'rel with a little bit more hull tbh. Plus the fact they have done nothing to put us on par with romulans when it comes to battle cloaks because roms have a way of extending the cloak ambush where as non-rom kdf cannot do this.

    I'm willing to bet everything that the Fleet Qib will have a 4-th tactical console. It already has 5 engineering ones, so it can get no more and they won't add a science console on the fleet version of a battlecruiser. Meanwhile, the Fed & Rom intel escorts will remain at their 5 tactical consoles because no ship will have more than 5 of each type.
    Furthermore, if you look it from a Romulan player perspective - it's not something they'd be overeally happy with. Yet another tactical ship in their lineup of 90% tactical ships. Whoopity-doo!

    And unfortuantely, the Romulan faction is not a faction but just a cash grab. It's painfully obvious after a year and some that they have no real intention of developing that faction further beyond what's been done and the aditional cash grab. They designed it for cash grab, making sure everything is overpowered so it could sell, thus painting themselves in the corner where they have Roms so spoiled with OP-ness that they now can't sell anything Romulan if it's not OP, because what people have is already OP.
    And you know how it is - when it comes to sales "OP sells", balance and fairness be damned.

    The Maha Raptor although it's not an intel ship, it's still a new T6 and I believe that it will be the one to bring the brute force the KDF has asked for. Good chance to be better that the Fed and Rom ones since they pay prices for being "intel". I hope we'll find out today.
    But notice what they're doing - they're giving a 1 intel ship per faction for the Romulans and the KDF, and notice the breed. The KDF one is a battlecruiser, arguably the most popular ship class in the KDF and something they've gone on record portraying as "native to Klingons". The Romulan one is a tactical warbird, no suprise since Cryptic's entire mantra in regards to the RR is tactical or bust. Meanwhile, they release standard (non intel class) new T6 ships for those faction that have been asked by the playerbase for a long time - the KDF has been beging for a Raptor since forever and the Romulans have been also beging for a battlecruiser that is nimble, so they're giving them those.
    Just don't put their favourite toddler and milk cow, the Feds, in the equation - ofcourse they'll do everything and make 4 ships (3 of which intel) for them.

    But this is a good ship, IMHO. The Qib. To me it feels like a continuation of the K'tinga lineage. It can take a lot of beating, has a battlecloak and excellent turn rate. I think it will be very fun and Klingon to use, especially after it receives the 4-th tactical console in the fleet variant.
    Qib intel battlecruiser is the new bortasqu' they couldn't go long without having a new ship for us to complain about. It looks nice but it was very poorly developed. Since its stats make it worse than a fleet vorcha lol.

    Hey now, I happen to love the Bortasqu'! :mad:

    That aside, yeah a Fleet Vor'cha. You need to think like Cryptic - they'll make a Fleet Qib and they want that to sell as well. I have no doubt that Fleet Qib>>>Fleet Vor'cha, although it's a pitty for the beautiful iconic designs to be left behind.
    And we still don't know what the intel Boff powers are and what they do. Knowing Cryptic, there's a good chance it's something OP as hell.
    We're not going to get a Cruiser with 5 Tac Consoles. Nobody will.

    We already have one. ;)

    And they didn't say noone will be getting a 5 tac.console cruiser, what the said was that upgrades will work like this: a ship of a certain class won't be upgraded to have more than 5 consoles of it's respective class. This was an answer to the people asking for 6 tac.consoles on bug ships and Defiants.
    The MaHahahaha will get 5 Tac Consoles, I believe we also get an Intel Raptor with 5 Tac Consoles and the Disruptor Lance we're just not getting it at launch.

    I don't think we'll see another Raptor after the MaHa in the near future. However, I do believe that the next KDF intel ship will be a new BoP. It fits the theme perfectly and it's another thing asked for a lot for a long time.
    I'd go so far as to buy a 3 pack of KDF Intel Vessels right now if they announced them and a decent release date.

    And remember once you unlock the 5th level trait you can use it on other ships.

    Yeah, I'll be buying the KDF vessels as well. Support the faction so we have better chance of getting more nice things in the future.
    They do need to make faction-specific 'Delta Rising' packs, so players of a certain faction can get what they need without the surpluss junk.
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  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2014
    Shpoks I agree on the Cloak, just make standard cloak take longer to cooldown and is slower to engage than Battle Cloak.

    I agree that the Qib will probably get it's 4th Tac Console at fleet level.

    I also think that Cryptics T6 approach is one of everything for everybody and then Fed Ships and Lock Boxes for every conceivable niche. So that means the next 2 Fed ships are T6 Escort and Sci Vessel. Which is why I'm hoping we get a Intel Raptor. I could live with getting a Intel BoP only if that Intel BoP can also work as a Standard BoP (Full Universal, with Spec Op Commander and Lt possible)

    I forgot that specific Bortasq, but I just don't see anybody flying them these days.

    I know there are exceptions to the rule but I don't see a lot of the Tac Heavy Cruisers getting a 5th Tac Console even on the Fed side.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I agree that the Qib will probably get it's 4th Tac Console at fleet level.

    With the "abilities" of the Qib, a 3rd sci console would make more sense.
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  • gulremalgulremal Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    To be honest, I'd rather see 4th tac console at start, and 5th engy or 3rd sci with fleet version. However, I bet they did it this way to ensure everyone would get fleet version just for the 4th console.
    I do not expect 5th tac console at all. But this opens possibility for 3/5/3 layout as a proverbial middle finger. That's why I'm rooting for 4th console at start.
  • terlokiterloki Member Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    LtC Tac slot, Lt sci, AND ensign universal? Finally I can run the Boff layout I want without sacrificing engy powers!
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    gulremal wrote: »
    To be honest, I'd rather see 4th tac console at start, and 5th engy or 3rd sci with fleet version. However, I bet they did it this way to ensure everyone would get fleet version just for the 4th console.

    BINGO! ;)

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  • wade79wade79 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    a bird of prey intell ship would have been better
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2014
    I don't think any Klingon player would say we don't need or don't deserve an Intel BoP.


    I think every Klingon Player would say we need and deserve a Intel BoP, a Intel Raptor, a Normal Battle Cruiser, a Normal BoP and even a new T6 Carrier.


    I would go so far as to say that every KDF player would like to also see a T6 Orion vessel, a T6 Gorn Vessel and even a T6 Nausican Vessel. There have been a lot of KDF players asking for a Ferasian vessel and to be fair I think we deserve that too.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    What's a battle cloak?
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    goodscotch wrote: »
    What's a battle cloak?

    A cloak that enables your ship to enter cloak again even if you're under 'red alert' and in the middle of a combat situation, unlike the standard cloak where you need to wait to end combat and go out of 'red alert' in order to cloak your ship again.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    A cloak that enables your ship to enter cloak again even if you're under 'red alert' and in the middle of a combat situation, unlike the standard cloak where you need to wait to end combat and go out of 'red alert' in order to cloak your ship again.

    Thanks.

    One of the end rep rewards gives you a battle cloak. I think it's the New Romulus rep.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hm, meh. Hoped for a 5/3 (4 tac consoles will likely be fleet) and around 5 tac boff slots.

    So basically throw in all the stuff from my Fleet Vor'Cha -1 tac console, find out what I will put into the engie console and then 2 Tac team, 2 Cannon skills for tac and thinking about what I want to do with an additional two engie powers.

    Probably gonna dump EWP into them.

    your actually one less tac boff ability with this ship. so your layout is fine for PvE any ship can do that but with no attack patterns. 3 tac consoles might as well run it like a Mogh even if it does turn great it is not going to pump out the damage that Your tork is capable of.

    but with 2 extra engineer ability slots you can tank a tad bit better and still use one of the new Powers at lt commander or lt ranks and not reduce survivability. so i guess that is a plus .

    but thinking about this even more if you THIS DOFF LAYOUT you could even us the universal for something else entirely and be fine with one lt commander tac with a tt1 cr2 and ATP?

    then when the fleet version comes along if they do indeed give it a 4th tac console and not another science console THEN it will be a NICE ship.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    We're not going to get a Cruiser with 5 Tac Consoles. Nobody will.

    The MaHahahaha will get 5 Tac Consoles, I believe we also get an Intel Raptor with 5 Tac Consoles and the Disruptor Lance we're just not getting it at launch.

    I'd go so far as to buy a 3 pack of KDF Intel Vessels right now if they announced them and a decent release date.

    And remember once you unlock the 5th level trait you can use it on other ships.

    Probably correct about that is for NOW. but give them time , when sales on the new ships start drying up we will get the fleet versions. ( no idea why the wait most buy the c store version for the fleet discount) but when fleet ships start declining we will get another Tier. the mold has be cast already it is only a matter of time.
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  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2014
    goodscotch wrote: »
    Thanks.

    One of the end rep rewards gives you a battle cloak. I think it's the New Romulus rep.

    No you get the ability to become cloaked for a few seconds, A Battle Cloak lasts until you drop Cloak or somebody finds you. And your never going to be found in PVE.

    Also the Klingon Honour Guard Space set has a similar Cloak although it's a Mass Mask Energy Signature.
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