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Ridiculousness: Free DSD's Upgrade but Free Bortas, Odyssey, and Ambassador don't

sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
From the dev blog, it says ships awarded as mission reward won't upgrade, but you're upgrading the Dyson Science Destroyers from the anniversary for FREE!

I'd happily pay ZEN to upgrade my freebie Odyssey, Bortas, and Ambassador T5 ships that we got from various anniversaries and such. I'll also point out it's more than a little bit ridiculous that the freaking Excelsior (like the Enterprise-B) made the list of upgradeables but the freebie Odyssey (like the Enterprise-F) does not. If anything that should have been the other way around.

Why the inconsistency here? :confused:
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sekritagent wrote: »
    Why the inconsistency here? :confused:

    This is the team that can add a whole new system of kits into the game and then not make them searchable on the exchange when they do that.

    Just saying.
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Because the dyson was not an episode reward.
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    True. There's just no real reason for this. I get that there's C-Store and Fleet versions of these ships available, my beef is the inconsistent treatment.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the DSD's upgrade free but even a conflict between the DSD T5-U and C-Store ($100) T5-U doesn't fly as the C-Store one has abilities the free one doesn't.

    I don't understand the thinking here. There's no reason not to let us pay a little bit to upgrade these ships along with the others.
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  • kazamiyukarinkazamiyukarin Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I would also happily pay zen to upgrade my Mirror ships. I'm going to fly them regardless of whether I can upgrade them or not.
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    peetapipmac wrote: »
    Because the dyson was not an episode reward.

    Yeah I guess this is it. I see the Obelisk didn't make the list either.
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kazamiyukarin wrote: »
    I would also happily pay zen to upgrade my Mirror ships. I'm going to fly them regardless of whether I can upgrade them or not.

    I probably won't. I'm even contemplating just abandoning other accounts at this point. What I might do is pick 1 ship per toon to upgrade and call it a day.
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  • sudonamisudonami Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It is plenty consistent actually. The Enterprise-F is based off of the zen store versions of the odyssey. That's why it has the Aquarius pet. Same for the Excelsior that is getting the T5U treatment. Only the zen version or fleet version can be upgraded. I understand why you would want this and bringing up the free Dyson ships makes sense for it as well. However, that isn't likely to happen because those two ships, (Free Odyssey and free Ambassador) where a one time event. the Dyson ships are likely to be open for others to get next event. Just in case they missed or couldn't finish it the first time.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm still waiting on the price, they said between $5-$10
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  • ankokunekoankokuneko Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Wheres my Upgraded tuffli and cellship ?
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ankokuneko wrote: »
    Wheres my Upgraded tuffli and cellship ?

    hauled away.

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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ankokuneko wrote: »
    Wheres my Upgraded tuffli and cellship ?

    Forget the freighters, give me T5U class-f!:P
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The "free" Dyson ship is now the Lobi Dyson ship. The Lobi Dyson ship gets a free upgrade, so the free one does, too, since I doubt the game can tell the difference once they're unboxed.

    That's not true of the free Odyssey and Bortas. Or the free Obelisk. :shrug:
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    futurepastnow wrote: »
    The "free" Dyson ship is now the Lobi Dyson ship. The Lobi Dyson ship gets a free upgrade, so the free one does, too, since I doubt the game can tell the difference once they're unboxed.

    That's not true of the free Odyssey and Bortas. Or the free Obelisk. :shrug:

    Yup, my poor old Oddy prototype will finally be going back to the shipyard for good.


    Still, imagine all the Risian and Breen ships we'll be seeing in october......
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    so my dyson ships get a free upgrade? wow...just wow.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    futurepastnow wrote: »
    The "free" Dyson ship is now the Lobi Dyson ship. The Lobi Dyson ship gets a free upgrade, so the free one does, too, since I doubt the game can tell the difference once they're unboxed.

    That's not true of the free Odyssey and Bortas. Or the free Obelisk. :shrug:
    Yeap the Dyson ship is currently lobi ship, and was originally a reward for 2-week grind which is the same category as the Breen and Risa ships.

    Meanwhile the Ambassador and Obelisk were reward drops for a single episode, and the 2-yr anniversary ships are 200k FC ships, none of which qualify.

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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    so my dyson ships get a free upgrade? wow...just wow.

    Which amusingly, since it gives them access to the new leveling-up abilities, makes the free Dyson ship superior to the standard paid-for one.
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Which amusingly, since it gives them access to the new leveling-up abilities, makes the free Dyson ship superior to the standard paid-for one.

    Unless, of course, you upgrade the paid one, in which case it's still better than the upgraded free one.
    ankokuneko wrote: »
    Wheres my Upgraded tuffli and cellship ?

    Alas, even though they're "Duty Officer promotional starships" they aren't T5 so they don't qualify. :p
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,680 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    I think the reason the Dyson Destroyers made the upgrade list is because they were moved to the Lobi store, while the Free Oddy/Bortas became Fleet Credit ships, which were listed as NOT upgradeable, and the Support Cruiser Retrofit/Kamarag Retrofit are... probably considered episode rewards even though they're not available anymore.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mightybobcnc wrote: »
    Unless, of course, you upgrade the paid one, in which case it's still better than the upgraded free one.



    Alas, even though they're "Duty Officer promotional starships" they aren't T5 so they don't qualify. :p

    Why do that when I can have one upgraded for free? Free beats having to pay.
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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    That depends on how much you value a paid 11th console slot versus 10 free ones. :P
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mightybobcnc wrote: »
    That depends on how much you value a paid 11th console slot versus 10 free ones. :P

    Free FTW. /damn 10 char
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  • ccarmichael07ccarmichael07 Member Posts: 755 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sekritagent wrote: »
    From the dev blog, it says ships awarded as mission reward won't upgrade, but you're upgrading the Dyson Science Destroyers from the anniversary for FREE!

    I'd happily pay ZEN to upgrade my freebie Odyssey, Bortas, and Ambassador T5 ships that we got from various anniversaries and such. I'll also point out it's more than a little bit ridiculous that the freaking Excelsior (like the Enterprise-B) made the list of upgradeables but the freebie Odyssey (like the Enterprise-F) does not. If anything that should have been the other way around.

    Why the inconsistency here? :confused:

    Because inconsistency is Cryptic's middle name!

    Excelsior is older than Ambassador. Therefore Excelsior gets upgraded, Ambassador doesn't.

    Excelsior is older than every other Starfleet cruiser in the game except 2 (TOS Connie, Connie Refit) yet it is the most tactically superior cruiser other than the newly built Avenger.

    Nova was originally built in the 2370s. The Excalibur was built in the 2400s. Nova has a T5 Refit, Excalibur doesn't.

    Odyssey, Avenger, Tempest classes all built in 2410...but NOT getting Tier 6 treatment.

    Alien ships (from Lockbox) get an upgrade. Mirror Universe ships (also from Lockbox) don't.

    TV Series and Movies treated the ship like a member of the crew. STO treats the ship like a disposable hand phaser.

    The list goes on and on.

    Honestly I have to believe this is going to blow up in their faces, and the end result won't be pretty.

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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ccarmichael07 wrote: »
    Because inconsistency is Cryptic's middle name!

    Excelsior is older than Ambassador. Therefore Excelsior gets upgraded, Ambassador doesn't.

    Excelsior is older than every other Starfleet cruiser in the game except 2 (TOS Connie, Connie Refit) yet it is the most tactically superior cruiser other than the newly built Avenger.

    Nova was originally built in the 2370s. The Excalibur was built in the 2400s. Nova has a T5 Refit, Excalibur doesn't.

    Odyssey, Avenger, Tempest classes all built in 2410...but NOT getting Tier 6 treatment.

    Alien ships (from Lockbox) get an upgrade. Mirror Universe ships (also from Lockbox) don't.

    TV Series and Movies treated the ship like a member of the crew. STO treats the ship like a disposable hand phaser.

    The list goes on and on.

    Honestly I have to believe this is going to blow up in their faces, and the end result won't be pretty.

    Far as the Excelsior being so strong? It's Geko's favorite ship. Ofcourse it's stronger than just about any other cruiser in the game.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ccarmichael07 wrote: »

    Odyssey, Avenger, Tempest classes all built in 2410...but NOT getting Tier 6 treatment.


    They were built in or before 2409 :D
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sekritagent wrote: »
    From the dev blog, it says ships awarded as mission reward won't upgrade, but you're upgrading the Dyson Science Destroyers from the anniversary for FREE!

    I'd happily pay ZEN to upgrade my freebie Odyssey, Bortas, and Ambassador T5 ships that we got from various anniversaries and such. I'll also point out it's more than a little bit ridiculous that the freaking Excelsior (like the Enterprise-B) made the list of upgradeables but the freebie Odyssey (like the Enterprise-F) does not. If anything that should have been the other way around.

    Why the inconsistency here? :confused:

    Odyssey is a TRIBBLE-ship anyway. Even C-store Odyssey nowadays (but with upgrade can be made good again, kinda).

    Sometimes I think peeps are just going out of their way to find fault with Cryptic. And THAT, honestly, is "more than a little bit ridiculous."
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Ambassador is not a T5 Ship.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    chiyoumiku wrote: »
    Ambassador is not a T5 Ship.

    Actually there is a tier 5, if you were there for the anniversary when you did temporal ambassador you got a tier 5 Ambassador, instead of a tier 3.

    So yes, there actually is one. And you can still get a tier 5 ambassador. Don't believe me, go to a ship vendor and look.
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  • ccarmichael07ccarmichael07 Member Posts: 755 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    They were built in or before 2409 :D

    Yeah. Even still, all 3 of those ships should get the automatic T6 treatment.

    Hell, the flagship of the Fleet is an Odyssey, or are they going to decomission the Enterprise-F in order to make the spatula with legs (T6 Cruiser) the new flagship? That would not only be utterly disgusting (An Enterprise should never look like garbage) but would be an insult to the player whose idea spawned the Odyssey.

    Heck, I think any of the ships that are from the 2400s, should have a T6 version, or at the very least a T5-U.

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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    chiyoumiku wrote: »
    Ambassador is not a T5 Ship.
    Oh really ? The ambassador is not t5. The retrofit is.
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