its bs that we have to pay more money for ship we payed money for.if the game makers want to bring it all to tier 6 its all good but dont make people that pay money to the game and to buy ships pay more money its not right and i hope people put up a big ***** about this the game makers are get over on us and we are the people that keep the game going plz people say something or the game makers will get over on all you people
Something that has struck me as odd in a few of these threads, and no doubt it could just be the way I am reading it...but it is the appearance of the expectation that everything is going to be done on day one of the expansion...that everything needs to be done on day one of the expansion.
Level 50 to 60.
Level the Starship Mastery from 1-4/5 on each ship.
Upgrade all the Mk XII gear to Mk XIV.
Deal with whatever the Captain Specialization system is.
Etc, etc, etc...
It's a big expansion - there are many facets to it. With some toons and ships, it's likely going to be months if it is even this year before they're given any thought. It's going to take time...
PWE's prerogative is our concern. Whenever a game shows a lack of profit, the shareholders will begin to clamor for "cost savings" so they get their profit, and at these times the game(s) that are showing the least profit and/or loss are either drastically remade in an attempt to turn a profit or shut down. I, for one, don't want a drastic rebuild/shutdown. Therefore, I at least attempt to consider what's decent for both us and PWE.
On that note, remember that income is posted quarterly. The "monetary sources" you intend to use to finance your T6 purchases were accounted for many quarters ago - dang close to 8 if my memory serves in the case of my Thunderchild. Whatever plan we come up with has to influence that 4th qtr 2014 income statement, not use everything from past ones...
Now, would bypassing this T5U / T6 thing potentially cut back on further losses, or maybe convince the departed to return? Perhaps. Would those who came back significantly influence the Q4 '14 report? Yep. Would it project favorably for Q1 '15 and on? Maybe, maybe not - see what I described in the instance of not needing further ships because the canon ones are doing good enough to hold up to T6 and - since the precedent would be set, T7 content...
I'm not talking "in game weapon selections". I'm talking having a "canon" - aka was on screen - ship vs these current "looks like they might have been on TV at some point" to the "completely wild mating of Fed ships and Elachi" blue-hulled, scanlined "monstrosities".
Right now, many of us Trek Gamers have both a "canon" ship, like my Gal-X, and non-canon ship(s). Some of the "around since Beta" types have multiple cruisers - say they start with an Excelsior. They bought the Oddy to try her out - and went back to the Excel cause it's "canon and useful". Regent comes out, same thing - buy, try, and either stick with her (cause it can reskin into a canon Sovvy) or go back to Excelsior. Avenger, another trial, perhaps they abandon her for the Excel because the Avenger is a KDF ship in a Fed hull and they want "Fed gameplay". Beancounter sees a $20 to $25 investment per year per player doing this. If the Excelsior or Galaxy were truly "powerful enough" to not need a more powerful version like the Oddy / Regent / Avenger, then Beancounter sees just the one investment and wonders how to get more money out of said player...
Geko has said, from day 1 and the murmurs that a new tier was coming - that the design process was being geared to give us both a "T6 equivalent" for our current stuff, and the "full on T6" with all the bells and whistles. At this second, we don't know enough to see if, financially and statistically, these claims of "T5U being competitive with T6" will hold true. As of right this second, it does somewhat seem to be on track to do so, especially with the "current 10 console T5.5 "fleet" grade ships" - they're gonna wind up with an 11th console and the "usual" fleet upgrades to hull / shields vs. a full-on T6 having a 13th BOff power and the specialist BOffs...
I know what you are talking about Dareau. But I think you missed the "1st" point. Let me outline this clear.
THIS IS STO, RUNNED BY PERFECTWORLD! IT'S A GAME! As far I am concerned Perfectworld claims they are following the "canon" of CBS's Star Trek which were the same ones that bought out "Paramount's" Star Trek and claimed it for themselves only to have Paramount come out with a "JJ Abrams" Star Trek which is an alternate universe and for all legal intensive purposes well it's one big fandango tango.
With that being said now, the actual question is, "What is canon now in STO"? I mean come on Lobi Store? In DS9 Lobi was worthless.
Let's also now argue that Akira Class and the Armitage being the Heavy Escort Carrier, and the Akira Class was intended to be originally as a Carrier.
According to most Star Trek "Canon" material for at the time which now could be argued that the Akira was just meant as: "Heavy Escort". That and the Armitage Heavy Escort Carrier was actually a design from a a contest that Perfectworld did to have players enter designs that would be considered for future STO developments. HELLO! Akira meant as a HEC? Debated there also about as "canon".
Another example:
Now the Defari,
Currently no data exist EXCEPT in STO that the Defari ever existed as a "canon" race it was only developed for STO.
But wait there's more.....................
Species 8472 named the "Undine". The only mention of Species 8472 ever existing the Undine as being "canon" is mentioned in STO.
Oh the "Omega Torpedo". The Omega Torpedo part of the "Omega Adapted Borg Set" is actually a Torpedo inspired from the "V'Ger" Torpedo used in Star Trek: The Motion Picture which clearly outlined that each Torpedo that V'ger fired was to the 10th power. Now "maybe" it might be possible in the 25th century of Star Trek they might have developed it. But as far as "canon" the only reason the "Omega Torepdo" is even considered as canon is because of the fact that "William Shatner" wrote "Star Trek: The Return" to hint the connection between V'ger and the Borg are in fact "related". A fact that is still open to debate until this very day.
So the point is.......................................
Is STO even Canon at all? Who knows? It's a game, Perfectworld runs it, CBS has the rights, and everything about Star Trek is open to debate now. BRILLIANT!
So things being canon is well as good as a possum playing dead.
It might work it might not.
So that argument is completely flawed as a whole.
Now on to the issue about what me and gameverseman was talking about which you want:
Pay per amount of zen to upgrade a starship?
OR
Would you want something better to have either grandfathered, trade in or redeem, so that you save your ships, your money, heck everything you invested that you don't have to upgrade every ship here and keep shelling money for something you already shelled for in what the "past few expansions". YES, it's investing we are talking about and reinvesting vs pay pay pay. And feel you have holes in the pockets for Perfectworld to just pick from?
Something that has struck me as odd in a few of these threads, and no doubt it could just be the way I am reading it...but it is the appearance of the expectation that everything is going to be done on day one of the expansion...that everything needs to be done on day one of the expansion.
Level 50 to 60.
Level the Starship Mastery from 1-4/5 on each ship.
Upgrade all the Mk XII gear to Mk XIV.
Deal with whatever the Captain Specialization system is.
Etc, etc, etc...
It's a big expansion - there are many facets to it. With some toons and ships, it's likely going to be months if it is even this year before they're given any thought. It's going to take time...
Well then they should tell us that, agreed? As it stands, we only know the expansion comes out in October. That's it.
its bs that we have to pay more money for ship we payed money for.if the game makers want to bring it all to tier 6 its all good but dont make people that pay money to the game and to buy ships pay more money its not right and i hope people put up a big ***** about this the game makers are get over on us and we are the people that keep the game going plz people say something or the game makers will get over on all you people
Anyone else thinks the majority of the feedback is negative?
Something that has struck me as odd in a few of these threads, and no doubt it could just be the way I am reading it...but it is the appearance of the expectation that everything is going to be done on day one of the expansion...that everything needs to be done on day one of the expansion.
Level 50 to 60.
Level the Starship Mastery from 1-4/5 on each ship.
Upgrade all the Mk XII gear to Mk XIV.
Deal with whatever the Captain Specialization system is.
Etc, etc, etc...
It's a big expansion - there are many facets to it. With some toons and ships, it's likely going to be months if it is even this year before they're given any thought. It's going to take time...
Couldn't say it better myself. All the coding, all the programming, and even the updating is mind boggling. YO VIRUS ASSIMILATE ME! Even going to need the Borg Collective to contemplate this. The matter is if we look at the "Legacy of Romulus" as a whole how long it took to get that all worked out only to later have Dyson come on. Patchs, bugs, glitchs, etc. It's Perfectworld. I am still optimistic even with "Delta Rising" that this can all be worked out in just a snap of the finger. I am only taking this with a grain of salt.
its bs that we have to pay more money for ship we payed money for.if the game makers want to bring it all to tier 6 its all good but dont make people that pay money to the game and to buy ships pay more money its not right and i hope people put up a big ***** about this the game makers are get over on us and we are the people that keep the game going plz people say something or the game makers will get over on all you people
250+ pages of mostly rage.... your wish has come true
Well then they should tell us that, agreed? As it stands, we only know the expansion comes out in October. That's it.
They have told us that. They haven't given us all the specifics, but they have told us many things in general.
50-60 will take about the time it takes to get from 1-50.
There is going to be Mk XIV gear.
There is going to be Captain Specialization as the advancement from 50-60 (which is not the Starship Mastery) and that Specialization will continue even after we reach 60.
The Starship Mastery is tied to the ship. You 1-4/5 Mastery on a Patrol Escort, you still have to 1-4/5 Mastery on the Defiant, still have to 1-4/5 Master on your Kumari...etc, etc, etc.
From STLV they mentioned quite a few things that will be coming with Delta Rising.
This isn't just S9.75 with new ships...
Don't forget the Winter Event starting not long after Delta Rising launches, the 5th Anniversary not long after the Winter Event, then getting into S10 and the possible skill revamp...
With all of it, there's going to be figuring out the new mechanics - trying to avoid catastrophic mistakes...it's going to take time.
Couldn't say it better myself. All the coding, all the programming, and even the updating is mind boggling. YO VIRUS ASSIMILATE ME! Even going to need the Borg Collective to contemplate this. The matter is if we look at the "Legacy of Romulus" as a whole how long it took to get that all worked out only to later have Dyson come on. Patchs, bugs, glitchs, etc. It's Perfectworld. I am still optimistic even with "Delta Rising" that this can all be worked out in just a snap of the finger. I am only taking this with a grain of salt.
From the UGC#166 podcast, I believe it was...it sounded like DR's going to hit like most things have - per the production schedule, not necessarily when it's ready.
It's one of the reasons they don't like to talk about things, cause things end up getting cut to meet the production schedule...
...Hell, where are those Secondary Deflectors - right?
from The Ugc#166 Podcast, I Believe It Was...it Sounded Like Dr's Going To Hit Like Most Things Have - Per The Production Schedule, Not Necessarily When It's Ready.
It's One Of The Reasons They Don't Like To Talk About Things, Cause Things End Up Getting Cut To Meet The Production Schedule...
...hell, Where Are Those Secondary Deflectors - Right?
From the UGC#166 podcast, I believe it was...it sounded like DR's going to hit like most things have - per the production schedule, not necessarily when it's ready.
It's one of the reasons they don't like to talk about things, cause things end up getting cut to meet the production schedule...
...Hell, where are those Secondary Deflectors - right?
So instead of doing the logical thing and waiting till the product is finished, they release a half made one? doesn't sound like the best plan to me.
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So instead of doing the logical thing and waiting till the product is finished, they release a half made one? doesn't sound like the best plan to me.
Wasn't one of the most famous examples of this back with the game Falcon and Wal-Mart? Because of the way Wal-Mart required products to be on their shelves on a certain date, the game ended up shipping almost like vaporware? I think it was one of the versions of Falcon. But that was 20+ years ago, my memory's fuzzy going back that far.
It's gotten worse out there, think about all the games with the after release patches that come flying in, eh? When consoles can download patches for games...yeah...it's gotten worse over the years.
I have to admit to a bias though, I'm from the side of the hall/part of the building one might consider operations (IT) and I've never really gotten along all that well with the folks from the other side of the hall - sales/marketing. They're always promising stuff that doesn't exist and needs to be jury-rigged together, always leaving operations looking like the bad guy if anything goes wrong.
All right. *Puts Ferengi ears on* Here are a few schemes for PWE to make money:
1: Make Tier 6 version upgrade for the Tier 5 ships, and make it cost as much as getting a Tier 6 ship would.
2: Make an expensive account wide T6 upgrade. Like 10k zen or such.
3: Why do Lockbox ships get a free upgrade? You can buy them for EC on the market. If anything, Zen ships should get free upgrade, not lockbox ones.... or event ones.
4: Sell account wide "item upgrade" for zen, that boosts your items up to XIV....for zen.
5: Let Subscribers/lifers upgrade one ship to Tier 6 a month. No I'm not sub/lifer.
There, some ideas how to milk it for Cryptic. *takes Ferengi ears off*
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
All right. *Puts Ferengi ears on* Here are a few schemes for PWE to make money:
1: Make Tier 6 version upgrade for the Tier 5 ships, and make it cost as much as getting a Tier 6 ship would.
2: Make an expensive account wide T6 upgrade. Like 10k zen or such.
3: Why do Lockbox ships get a free upgrade? You can buy them for EC on the market. If anything, Zen ships should get free upgrade, not lockbox ones.... or event ones.
4: Sell account wide "item upgrade" for zen, that boosts your items up to XIV....for zen.
5: Let Subscribers/lifers upgrade one ship to Tier 6 a month. No I'm not sub/lifer.
There, some ideas how to milk it for Cryptic. *takes Ferengi ears off*
Tpalelena,
That's what me and GameVerseMan have been trying to collaberate here on about. Alternatives, options, instead of flat rate pay to upgrade. Although yes, there are the differences, still the point is at least trying to get the conversation going on here so that well Perfectworld would open up their ears, and their eyes as well too so that maybe they could see the well "logic" could be argued possibly as "illogical". Besides I say we play Praeator here and have a Romulan Tal Shiar Shing Dig about the whole issue. ~Takes ears off~.
That's what me and GameVerseMan have been trying to collaberate here on about. Alternatives, options, instead of flat rate pay to upgrade. Although yes, there are the differences, still the point is at least trying to get the conversation going on here so that well Perfectworld would open up their ears, and their eyes as well too so that maybe they could see the well "logic" could be argued possibly as "illogical". Besides I say we play Praeator here and have a Romulan Tal Shiar Shing Dig about the whole issue. ~Takes ears off~.
Perfect World want to make money their way. And they don't care about what others think.
I have been telling them ideas to make money.
Like a Swimwear off Risa Zen upgrade. Non-phaser special weapon zen store upgrades.
Like Quad Antiproton cannons. Plasma Kumari Wing cannons. Disruptor Tempest Tail gun. Fleet Elite Polaron weapons unlock in the zen store.
Damn, even a Lobi store "Unlock the use of more than one pet " would be something I would get.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Right, like I said, it has no monetary value. If I'm reading it right, the money paid for zen is non-refundable. I don't see it directly saying "Zen in non-refundable". What I do see is "FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND NON REFUNDABLE".
I feel one of the things being overlooked because of the focus on the vertical progression is how this addresses their needs for horizontal expansion.
If they were not introducing the level cap increase, etc, etc, etc...and were just introducing the new ships - they'd still be introducing the new ships.
There wouldn't be the scaling HP from 50-60 obviously, but they would still be introducing ships with the hybrid BOFF seats/etc.
Folks with T5 ships still wouldn't be getting some of the stuff from the new "T5" ships.
Just like other T5 ships do not get the stuff that other T5 ships have gotten.
So you work in that vertical progression and the horizontal expansion...giving you the two tiers of T5-U ships along with the T6 ships.
Wasn't one of the most famous examples of this back with the game Falcon and Wal-Mart? Because of the way Wal-Mart required products to be on their shelves on a certain date, the game ended up shipping almost like vaporware? I think it was one of the versions of Falcon. But that was 20+ years ago, my memory's fuzzy going back that far.
It's gotten worse out there, think about all the games with the after release patches that come flying in, eh? When consoles can download patches for games...yeah...it's gotten worse over the years.
I have to admit to a bias though, I'm from the side of the hall/part of the building one might consider operations (IT) and I've never really gotten along all that well with the folks from the other side of the hall - sales/marketing. They're always promising stuff that doesn't exist and needs to be jury-rigged together, always leaving operations looking like the bad guy if anything goes wrong.
So you are Cryptic and the other side of the hall is PWE?
This sucks...as I said earlier, it just feels like I'm being corralled to play specific missions in a specific way with specific gear that is only slightly different than each other on specific ships that have these special magic powers. I feel like it's clear "playing as intended"-abuse and a blatant grab for more consistent analytics and forecasting.
Perfect World want to make money their way. And they don't care about what others think.
I have been telling them ideas to make money.
Like a Swimwear off Risa Zen upgrade. Non-phaser special weapon zen store upgrades.
Like Quad Antiproton cannons. Plasma Kumari Wing cannons. Disruptor Tempest Tail gun. Fleet Elite Polaron weapons unlock in the zen store.
Damn, even a Lobi store "Unlock the use of more than one pet " would be something I would get.
To quote Peter Griffin, "OMG, who the **** cares." Okay, enough sarcasim and jokes here. Lets look at this here.
First off Swimwear off Risa. Because all Floaters, and even Swimwear like Snowblowers and other weapons are mostly only for Winter Wonderland. Although yes some things have been somehow allowed to exist in the norm of STO gameplay itself. Still those items are made for only those events. That's how they gear it? That's how it is.
Now Quad Antiproton Cannons. While the idea is good, one thing I do note about Quad Cannons is the large massive energy consumption and the problem of Quad Weapons is keeping energy to those cannons. So would it work? Maybe, but popular? Well if only the energy consumption is worked out.
Plama Kumanri Wing Cannons. Well that might work or might not. But last I remember and I could be wrong Andorian Kumari ships used a Andorian Phaser based weapon. Which how do you think Starfleet got the Phaser Technology in the first place.
Disruptor Tempest Tail Gun. Now that one I am sure probably somewhere in the future the developers have something to counteract the Tempest Class like they did the Mogh/Avenger counterparts. Of course when you factor also now the "New Accord" backstory that the Federation and the KDF Empire finally started working out their differences to deal with the Undine and "other" possible threats like say oh..........................~Whispers~ "Iconians" for them to come out with a Tempest Counterpart for the KDF is more like a flip of the coin at this point.
Elite Polaron Weapons. Okay first off lets Elite: Plasma, Antiproton, Tetryon, and all those other Fleet Advanced Energy Weapons to Elite? Then we can talk about Elite Polaron as well. Until then well...................keep preaching the idea.
Okay with enough said, I think I have clarified some things up. Done.
So you are Cryptic and the other side of the hall is PWE?
I'm not Cryptic, but Cryptic and PWE aren't separate sides of the hall. Cryptic has both sides. PWE has both sides. PW has both sides. Cause PWE's just the US subsidiary of PW. It's a big ol' corporation...
To quote Peter Griffin, "OMG, who the **** cares." Okay, enough sarcasim and jokes here. Lets look at this here.
First off Swimwear off Risa. Because all Floaters, and even Swimwear like Snowblowers and other weapons are mostly only for Winter Wonderland. Although yes some things have been somehow allowed to exist in the norm of STO gameplay itself. Still those items are made for only those events. That's how they gear it? That's how it is.
Now Quad Antiproton Cannons. While the idea is good, one thing I do note about Quad Cannons is the large massive energy consumption and the problem of Quad Weapons is keeping energy to those cannons. So would it work? Maybe, but popular? Well if only the energy consumption is worked out.
Plama Kumanri Wing Cannons. Well that might work or might not. But last I remember and I could be wrong Andorian Kumari ships used a Andorian Phaser based weapon. Which how do you think Starfleet got the Phaser Technology in the first place.
Disruptor Tempest Tail Gun. Now that one I am sure probably somewhere in the future the developers have something to counteract the Tempest Class like they did the Mogh/Avenger counterparts. Of course when you factor also now the "New Accord" backstory that the Federation and the KDF Empire finally started working out their differences to deal with the Undine and "other" possible threats like say oh..........................~Whispers~ "Iconians" for them to come out with a Tempest Counterpart for the KDF is more like a flip of the coin at this point.
Elite Polaron Weapons. Okay first off lets Elite: Plasma, Antiproton, Tetryon, and all those other Fleet Advanced Energy Weapons to Elite? Then we can talk about Elite Polaron as well. Until then well...................keep preaching the idea.
Okay with enough said, I think I have clarified some things up. Done.
The big sigh.
No. I don't give a flying **** about lore justifications.
If you can fly Undine ships as Starfleet, you can use disruptors too.
I clearly meant all those weapons in ALL Energy types as zen store items.
Because, you know.... not everybody uses phasers. Or wants to.
So basically, you would not be FORCED to use an energy type with special ships.
Yes! I meant all factions should get all energy types for elite, not just advanced.
Same with torpedoes! Wide Angle Photons, Gravitic Quantums and Hyper-tricobalts...sounds nice.
So if I wanted to use Kumari with Antiprotons, I could buy the extra wing cannons for zen. Or if I got a Bortasque with Tetryons, I could get a tetryon autocannon console for it from the Zenstore.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I'm not Cryptic, but Cryptic and PWE aren't separate sides of the hall. Cryptic has both sides. PWE has both sides. PW has both sides. Cause PWE's just the US subsidiary of PW. It's a big ol' corporation...
*head explodes* Why can't this be straight forward? Because I don't know who to get pissed at when it comes to bad content and its really bothering me because not even smirk can give me a straight answer in-game lol.
Right, like I said, it has no monetary value. If I'm reading it right, the money paid for zen is non-refundable. I don't see it directly saying "Zen in non-refundable". What I do see is "FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND NON REFUNDABLE".
It's right before FEES.
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While the EULA, may say that Zen doesn't have a monetary value, Accounting will say different. And usually the EULA is protect the company from reprisals from customers. If they did not state Zen had no monetary value, a case could be made for customers to exchange dilithium into zen, and then into cash.
At the hospital I used to work at, we had Volunteers who performed certain duties. These duties included (but not limited to) delivering items to patients and medical units, working in the gift shop, and answering phones. For some reason, a financial report was mistakenly published for all employees to see. Even though the volunteers made zero dollars for their time, accounting had to place a dollar amount on the hours the volunteers performed their duties.
When a zen purchase is made, Accounting takes notice of the purchase and to which game the zen is sent to. That game gets the monetary amount, used to purchase the zen, as an income. That is how it has a monetary value, for them, not us.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
*head explodes* Why can't this be straight forward? Because I don't know who to get pissed at when it comes to bad content and its really bothering me because not even smirk can give me a straight answer in-game lol.
Rivera is the Lead Designer.
D'Angelo is the Executive Producer.
Emmert is still the CEO of Cryptic, no?
Chen is the CEO of PWE, right?
Xiao is the CEO of Perfect World, no?
Not sure if there's somebody between the EP and CEO of Cryptic...not sure how many folks are between the Cryptic CEO and PWE CEO and between the PWE CEO and Perfect World CEO...even there, you're going to be answering to the corporate board and the shareholders.
No. I don't give a flying **** about lore justifications.
If you can fly Undine ships as Starfleet, you can use disruptors too.
I clearly meant all those weapons in ALL Energy types as zen store items.
Because, you know.... not everybody uses phasers. Or wants to.
So basically, you would not be FORCED to use an energy type with special ships.
Yes! I meant all factions should get all energy types for elite, not just advanced.
Same with torpedoes! Wide Angle Photons, Gravitic Quantums and Hyper-tricobalts...sounds nice.
So if I wanted to use Kumari with Antiprotons, I could buy the extra wing cannons for zen. Or if I got a Bortasque with Tetryons, I could get a tetryon autocannon console for it from the Zenstore.
Tpalelena I was only jesting aka joking with you. Actually it's all good.
Rivera is the Lead Designer.
D'Angelo is the Executive Producer.
Emmert is still the CEO of Cryptic, no?
Chen is the CEO of PWE, right?
Xiao is the CEO of Perfect World, no?
Not sure if there's somebody between the EP and CEO of Cryptic...not sure how many folks are between the Cryptic CEO and PWE CEO and between the PWE CEO and Perfect World CEO...even there, you're going to be answering to the corporate board and the shareholders.
There we go, THAT'S the Ferangi Shareholders there. Now, Where's the Grand Nagus at?
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Level 50 to 60.
Level the Starship Mastery from 1-4/5 on each ship.
Upgrade all the Mk XII gear to Mk XIV.
Deal with whatever the Captain Specialization system is.
Etc, etc, etc...
It's a big expansion - there are many facets to it. With some toons and ships, it's likely going to be months if it is even this year before they're given any thought. It's going to take time...
I know what you are talking about Dareau. But I think you missed the "1st" point. Let me outline this clear.
THIS IS STO, RUNNED BY PERFECTWORLD! IT'S A GAME! As far I am concerned Perfectworld claims they are following the "canon" of CBS's Star Trek which were the same ones that bought out "Paramount's" Star Trek and claimed it for themselves only to have Paramount come out with a "JJ Abrams" Star Trek which is an alternate universe and for all legal intensive purposes well it's one big fandango tango.
With that being said now, the actual question is, "What is canon now in STO"? I mean come on Lobi Store? In DS9 Lobi was worthless.
Let's also now argue that Akira Class and the Armitage being the Heavy Escort Carrier, and the Akira Class was intended to be originally as a Carrier.
According to most Star Trek "Canon" material for at the time which now could be argued that the Akira was just meant as: "Heavy Escort". That and the Armitage Heavy Escort Carrier was actually a design from a a contest that Perfectworld did to have players enter designs that would be considered for future STO developments. HELLO! Akira meant as a HEC? Debated there also about as "canon".
Another example:
Now the Defari,
Currently no data exist EXCEPT in STO that the Defari ever existed as a "canon" race it was only developed for STO.
But wait there's more.....................
Species 8472 named the "Undine". The only mention of Species 8472 ever existing the Undine as being "canon" is mentioned in STO.
Oh the "Omega Torpedo". The Omega Torpedo part of the "Omega Adapted Borg Set" is actually a Torpedo inspired from the "V'Ger" Torpedo used in Star Trek: The Motion Picture which clearly outlined that each Torpedo that V'ger fired was to the 10th power. Now "maybe" it might be possible in the 25th century of Star Trek they might have developed it. But as far as "canon" the only reason the "Omega Torepdo" is even considered as canon is because of the fact that "William Shatner" wrote "Star Trek: The Return" to hint the connection between V'ger and the Borg are in fact "related". A fact that is still open to debate until this very day.
So the point is.......................................
Is STO even Canon at all? Who knows? It's a game, Perfectworld runs it, CBS has the rights, and everything about Star Trek is open to debate now. BRILLIANT!
So things being canon is well as good as a possum playing dead.
It might work it might not.
So that argument is completely flawed as a whole.
Now on to the issue about what me and gameverseman was talking about which you want:
Pay per amount of zen to upgrade a starship?
OR
Would you want something better to have either grandfathered, trade in or redeem, so that you save your ships, your money, heck everything you invested that you don't have to upgrade every ship here and keep shelling money for something you already shelled for in what the "past few expansions". YES, it's investing we are talking about and reinvesting vs pay pay pay. And feel you have holes in the pockets for Perfectworld to just pick from?
Well then they should tell us that, agreed? As it stands, we only know the expansion comes out in October. That's it.
Anyone else thinks the majority of the feedback is negative?
NO! *sarcasm*
Couldn't say it better myself. All the coding, all the programming, and even the updating is mind boggling. YO VIRUS ASSIMILATE ME! Even going to need the Borg Collective to contemplate this. The matter is if we look at the "Legacy of Romulus" as a whole how long it took to get that all worked out only to later have Dyson come on. Patchs, bugs, glitchs, etc. It's Perfectworld. I am still optimistic even with "Delta Rising" that this can all be worked out in just a snap of the finger. I am only taking this with a grain of salt.
250+ pages of mostly rage.... your wish has come true
They have told us that. They haven't given us all the specifics, but they have told us many things in general.
50-60 will take about the time it takes to get from 1-50.
There is going to be Mk XIV gear.
There is going to be Captain Specialization as the advancement from 50-60 (which is not the Starship Mastery) and that Specialization will continue even after we reach 60.
The Starship Mastery is tied to the ship. You 1-4/5 Mastery on a Patrol Escort, you still have to 1-4/5 Mastery on the Defiant, still have to 1-4/5 Master on your Kumari...etc, etc, etc.
From STLV they mentioned quite a few things that will be coming with Delta Rising.
This isn't just S9.75 with new ships...
Don't forget the Winter Event starting not long after Delta Rising launches, the 5th Anniversary not long after the Winter Event, then getting into S10 and the possible skill revamp...
With all of it, there's going to be figuring out the new mechanics - trying to avoid catastrophic mistakes...it's going to take time.
From the UGC#166 podcast, I believe it was...it sounded like DR's going to hit like most things have - per the production schedule, not necessarily when it's ready.
It's one of the reasons they don't like to talk about things, cause things end up getting cut to meet the production schedule...
...Hell, where are those Secondary Deflectors - right?
Exactly! XD
So instead of doing the logical thing and waiting till the product is finished, they release a half made one? doesn't sound like the best plan to me.
From PWE EULA
Wasn't one of the most famous examples of this back with the game Falcon and Wal-Mart? Because of the way Wal-Mart required products to be on their shelves on a certain date, the game ended up shipping almost like vaporware? I think it was one of the versions of Falcon. But that was 20+ years ago, my memory's fuzzy going back that far.
It's gotten worse out there, think about all the games with the after release patches that come flying in, eh? When consoles can download patches for games...yeah...it's gotten worse over the years.
I have to admit to a bias though, I'm from the side of the hall/part of the building one might consider operations (IT) and I've never really gotten along all that well with the folks from the other side of the hall - sales/marketing. They're always promising stuff that doesn't exist and needs to be jury-rigged together, always leaving operations looking like the bad guy if anything goes wrong.
1: Make Tier 6 version upgrade for the Tier 5 ships, and make it cost as much as getting a Tier 6 ship would.
2: Make an expensive account wide T6 upgrade. Like 10k zen or such.
3: Why do Lockbox ships get a free upgrade? You can buy them for EC on the market. If anything, Zen ships should get free upgrade, not lockbox ones.... or event ones.
4: Sell account wide "item upgrade" for zen, that boosts your items up to XIV....for zen.
5: Let Subscribers/lifers upgrade one ship to Tier 6 a month. No I'm not sub/lifer.
There, some ideas how to milk it for Cryptic. *takes Ferengi ears off*
Tpalelena,
That's what me and GameVerseMan have been trying to collaberate here on about. Alternatives, options, instead of flat rate pay to upgrade. Although yes, there are the differences, still the point is at least trying to get the conversation going on here so that well Perfectworld would open up their ears, and their eyes as well too so that maybe they could see the well "logic" could be argued possibly as "illogical". Besides I say we play Praeator here and have a Romulan Tal Shiar Shing Dig about the whole issue. ~Takes ears off~.
Perfect World want to make money their way. And they don't care about what others think.
I have been telling them ideas to make money.
Like a Swimwear off Risa Zen upgrade. Non-phaser special weapon zen store upgrades.
Like Quad Antiproton cannons. Plasma Kumari Wing cannons. Disruptor Tempest Tail gun. Fleet Elite Polaron weapons unlock in the zen store.
Damn, even a Lobi store "Unlock the use of more than one pet " would be something I would get.
Right, like I said, it has no monetary value. If I'm reading it right, the money paid for zen is non-refundable. I don't see it directly saying "Zen in non-refundable". What I do see is "FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND NON REFUNDABLE".
If they were not introducing the level cap increase, etc, etc, etc...and were just introducing the new ships - they'd still be introducing the new ships.
There wouldn't be the scaling HP from 50-60 obviously, but they would still be introducing ships with the hybrid BOFF seats/etc.
Folks with T5 ships still wouldn't be getting some of the stuff from the new "T5" ships.
Just like other T5 ships do not get the stuff that other T5 ships have gotten.
So you work in that vertical progression and the horizontal expansion...giving you the two tiers of T5-U ships along with the T6 ships.
So you are Cryptic and the other side of the hall is PWE?
To quote Peter Griffin, "OMG, who the **** cares." Okay, enough sarcasim and jokes here. Lets look at this here.
First off Swimwear off Risa. Because all Floaters, and even Swimwear like Snowblowers and other weapons are mostly only for Winter Wonderland. Although yes some things have been somehow allowed to exist in the norm of STO gameplay itself. Still those items are made for only those events. That's how they gear it? That's how it is.
Now Quad Antiproton Cannons. While the idea is good, one thing I do note about Quad Cannons is the large massive energy consumption and the problem of Quad Weapons is keeping energy to those cannons. So would it work? Maybe, but popular? Well if only the energy consumption is worked out.
Plama Kumanri Wing Cannons. Well that might work or might not. But last I remember and I could be wrong Andorian Kumari ships used a Andorian Phaser based weapon. Which how do you think Starfleet got the Phaser Technology in the first place.
Disruptor Tempest Tail Gun. Now that one I am sure probably somewhere in the future the developers have something to counteract the Tempest Class like they did the Mogh/Avenger counterparts. Of course when you factor also now the "New Accord" backstory that the Federation and the KDF Empire finally started working out their differences to deal with the Undine and "other" possible threats like say oh..........................~Whispers~ "Iconians" for them to come out with a Tempest Counterpart for the KDF is more like a flip of the coin at this point.
Elite Polaron Weapons. Okay first off lets Elite: Plasma, Antiproton, Tetryon, and all those other Fleet Advanced Energy Weapons to Elite? Then we can talk about Elite Polaron as well. Until then well...................keep preaching the idea.
Okay with enough said, I think I have clarified some things up. Done.
I'm not Cryptic, but Cryptic and PWE aren't separate sides of the hall. Cryptic has both sides. PWE has both sides. PW has both sides. Cause PWE's just the US subsidiary of PW. It's a big ol' corporation...
The big sigh.
No. I don't give a flying **** about lore justifications.
If you can fly Undine ships as Starfleet, you can use disruptors too.
I clearly meant all those weapons in ALL Energy types as zen store items.
Because, you know.... not everybody uses phasers. Or wants to.
So basically, you would not be FORCED to use an energy type with special ships.
Yes! I meant all factions should get all energy types for elite, not just advanced.
Same with torpedoes! Wide Angle Photons, Gravitic Quantums and Hyper-tricobalts...sounds nice.
So if I wanted to use Kumari with Antiprotons, I could buy the extra wing cannons for zen. Or if I got a Bortasque with Tetryons, I could get a tetryon autocannon console for it from the Zenstore.
*head explodes* Why can't this be straight forward? Because I don't know who to get pissed at when it comes to bad content and its really bothering me because not even smirk can give me a straight answer in-game lol.
Make a t'varo torp boat build with elite trans-cobalt torps and mines? (hybrid of transphasic and tricobalt). that would be nice
It's right before FEES.
24.2ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND NON REFUNDABLE. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. ZEN AND THE RIGHT TO USE APPLICABLE ZEN ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR PART. THE RIGHT TO USE ZEN IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE LICENSE TO USE THE SERVICE AND GAME.
While the EULA, may say that Zen doesn't have a monetary value, Accounting will say different. And usually the EULA is protect the company from reprisals from customers. If they did not state Zen had no monetary value, a case could be made for customers to exchange dilithium into zen, and then into cash.
At the hospital I used to work at, we had Volunteers who performed certain duties. These duties included (but not limited to) delivering items to patients and medical units, working in the gift shop, and answering phones. For some reason, a financial report was mistakenly published for all employees to see. Even though the volunteers made zero dollars for their time, accounting had to place a dollar amount on the hours the volunteers performed their duties.
When a zen purchase is made, Accounting takes notice of the purchase and to which game the zen is sent to. That game gets the monetary amount, used to purchase the zen, as an income. That is how it has a monetary value, for them, not us.
Rivera is the Lead Designer.
D'Angelo is the Executive Producer.
Emmert is still the CEO of Cryptic, no?
Chen is the CEO of PWE, right?
Xiao is the CEO of Perfect World, no?
Not sure if there's somebody between the EP and CEO of Cryptic...not sure how many folks are between the Cryptic CEO and PWE CEO and between the PWE CEO and Perfect World CEO...even there, you're going to be answering to the corporate board and the shareholders.
Tpalelena I was only jesting aka joking with you. Actually it's all good.
There we go, THAT'S the Ferangi Shareholders there. Now, Where's the Grand Nagus at?