It didn't say T6...it said T6 capabilities...if it said T6 it would of straight up just said T6...it maybe be a underhanded ploy what they did to sell doff packs...but it's done and now we know.
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What are the starship type divisions? Escort, Cruiser, Science Vessel, Raider, Raptor, Battlecruiser and Warbird I'm assuming, but in addition to what else? Carrier, Destroyer, Dreadnought, Freighter...?
Yes please. Can I get a Freighter mastery that gives me an EC or Dilithium discount or other perk? :P
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I understand the need for the company to make a profit on this expansion. I don't mind paying to upgrade ships, I look at it like I'm just paying for a new expansion pack for any other game. A new expansion for WoW is $50, for example. So I don't feel bad spending money here. Even though I am a LTS I still like purchasing stuff and helping to support the game cause I love it.
That said, you guys don't think it's just a _little_ hinky to make the free event ships get free upgrades and the ships people pay (for example) 5000 zen for not upgrade for free? I would say any ship you purchase from the c-store that is over X amount of zen should come with a free upgrade. Kinda like how a T5 ship purchased through the zenstore only has a 1 FSM cost to upgrade to fleet quality.
All in all I will still purchase the T6 ships and will most likely upgrade my T5 ships over time when I want to switch it up. I am kind of bummed that T5-U ships will not have the special boff seating, but I'm not super bummed because we do not know what the new boff abilities entail.
I just wish you guys could maybe throw a bone to the folks who've already spent a lot of cash in the store on sets of ships. Also I am surprised, like others, to see the three factions' flagships stuck at T5-U status.
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Woooow, X2 sure is going to be expensive. I know I shelled out for LoR, but seems like its going to be on a whole different level with this, between upgrading all of our T5 ships, upgrading all of our gear, T6 ships and god knows what else.
Thing is...lots of folks are looking at the cost as one big purchase. Did we do that before though? Weren't our purchases spread out over a period of time? We picked this up here, that up there, here and there over a period of time? Folks spent years building up their collections...shouldn't they look at it as taking years to upgrade those collections rather than raging over sticker shock as if they need to do it all the first day?
Wait so t6 ships will have extra boff ability and 10 consoles, so fleet T6 ships will have 2 extra boff abilities and 11 consoles? THAT would make T5-U obsolete then
and if you don't want to upgrade to a T5U or T6 ship you don't have to since the level 50-60 content is still playable with current ships.
I wouldnt even care if i couldnt upgrade my current T5 ships. And yes i also bought some Zen Ships.
Its normal in a MMORPG that after a while a content patch comes and your current gear is "outdated". and its kinda about time that a upgrade comes, i personaly expectet it already with the Romolus content.
So whats the difference between an upgraded ark if (t5U) and fleet ark'if (t5.5) vs. the upgraded fleet ark'if (t5U)
This is a mess, and no unique BO abilities means T5U is obsolete from the get go. Even if it isn't so at delta rising release, if t6 packs won;t sell (just as the ark if didn't at release, new opness will be slapped onto them until they do. LOL@ "Bells and whistles"
This is now the third time i'm paying to keep the nebbie current, and each and every time it hasn't been the case.
Devs. you have no problem releasing one insanely op config plus lobi set bonus after the other for lockboxes. Could you not have considered giving T5 ships the same treatment, unique abilities, new buffs n all. I'd think it does;t matter to you what we pay 30(?)$ for, but it matters to us if its a bop skin, or a cruiser. Better cash for an old model "refit retrofit fleet version U" then no cash, no?
- yes you payed real money for ships but the game is F2P
- you can upgrade your ships but a real T6 ship is supposed to be more potent
- you get basicly "free expansions" while you have to pay for them in other games ... so you saved some money now you can use some to get you a nice T6 ship. As long the prices for them is like 50% higher then T5 ships i dont care.
The game is F2P, but it also has a subscribing playerbase that is sitting in the same boat as Free Palyers.
And the expansion is not as "free" as you try to make it out.
It hits extremely hard against dedicated and loyal STO players, which pretty much end up having to pay many times MORE than it would ever cost just to pay for an expansion pack, just to upgrade all their ships, for which they have already shelled out hundreds of dollars on.
Cryptic keeps taking and taking, but gives very little in return.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification on this.
But, I agree... it just sounds like it will be T5-U for free. And we lose out on the extra BOFF power, and the new BOFF station (which won't be on all T6 ships, anyway).
It looks like all the lockbox ships and almost 5 years of other ships will be obsolete.
I'll stick with my ships...no need to buy T6...I mean unless they learned from the power creep and are making changes post 50...my ships will still be powerful enough to easily get the job done.
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Wait so t6 ships will have extra boff ability and 10 consoles, so fleet T6 ships will have 2 extra boff abilities and 11 consoles? THAT would make T5-U obsolete then
Not sure where you got that 2nd extra boff for a Fleet variant, but yeah, Fleet T6 ships which'll make everything else obsolete seems like a matter of time.
As stated earlier in the thread, it didn't say T6...it said T6 capabilities. That "capabilities" wording was brought up in several threads because of its vague nature and the wiggle room it left Cryptic. They've answered that with the recent blog and in the thread discussing that blog.
Honestly? I'm disappointed that it's lacking from an immersion standpoint. It lacks any interaction besides "Pay money, upgrade" and the least they could've called it was "Retrofit System" or something.
It's very meh to me. But it, along with T6 ships in general does provide benefits that I've been hoping for.
Good question. Here's the breakdown on Fleet ships. Right now, Fleet Ships offer +1 console slot, +10% Hull HP and +10% Shield HP over a standard T5 ship. If you were to upgrade a Fleet Ship to T5-U, it would gain all the benefits mentioned:
-Bonus scaling HP
-Starship Mastery passive abilities
-+1 Console Slot
The short answer to your question is no. They will have 10% better shield and hull than the non-fleet T5-U variant and have +1 console slot.
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so my fleet brel, which is still missing type 3 skin and c-store skin, that i got this year after my fleet finally unlock the t5 items need. To make it on pair. I know have to spend more. But it losses the bonus i paid for allready.
I say again. Fleet ship should be upgrade T5-U automatically and if not then at least should keep there fleet ship bonus.
But since it appears not I guesss the bright side is i free up 36gb for a less grindy game where they acutely appreciate there customer who have spent money in game.
I can under stand the upgrade for plan t5 ships. a veteran could gotten it for free.
So whats the difference between an upgraded ark if (t5U) and fleet ark'if (t5.5) vs. the upgraded fleet ark'if (t5U)
This is a mess, and no unique BO abilities means T5U is obsolete from the get go. Even if it isn't so at delta rising release, if t6 packs won;t sell (just as the ark if didn't at release, new opness will be slapped onto them until they do. LOL@ "Bells and whistles"
This is now the third time i'm paying to keep the nebbie current, and each and every time it hasn't been the case.
Devs. you have no problem releasing one insanely op config plus lobi set bonus after the other for lockboxes. Could you not have considered giving T5 ships the same treatment, unique abilities, new buffs n all. I'd think it does;t matter to you what we pay 30(?)$ for, but it matters to us if its a bop skin, or a cruiser. Better cash for an old model "refit retrofit fleet version U" then no cash, no?
I think the upgraded fleet Arkif will have the extra fleet bonus Health and shield boost, and +1 console if I read Gorn's post right.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Based on the blog today, the question is are the extra BOFF ability, Specialist BOFF seat and Starship Trait "Tier 6 Capabilities"? If yes, there is a problem. If not, then no foul.
Seems to me those are the capabilities that make Tier 6 unique, so it seems the confusion the OP has is understandable.
It will be getting the 11th console, more hp (whether it is hull, shields, or both who knows), and mastery levels...those are T6 capabilities I guess.
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Biggest annoyance right now? One of my toons will have to find a T5 KDF Shipyard because the new system says neither the Mirror Vo'Quv nor the normal Vo'Quv will be upgradable.
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Sounds like 5U, given how it was grouped with other lockbox and event ships. So yeah, a T6 escort out-of-the-box will be better than the Bug.
They will have to make sure that T5 ships are capable of doing the new content as they are advertising that the new DR content is not tied to a T6 ship.
People can PVP in any 10-console ship. Top-tier players have needed the best gear to keep their skill advantage :rolleyes: but it wasnt PVP that required it, it was the players
Now we reset to 11-console ship with the OP BOFF abilities and ship abilities
Of course you can pvp in any ship. I have pvped in mirror ships... still when it comes down to it if I'm going to play in a game that isn't just messing around vs pugs... or trolling some folks in kerrat. I am going to be in a lockbox ship. (your not going to see a pro sport player saying ya this cheap X or Y from wal mart is good enough... there going to get the best gear to play)
Now we are being told we are going to have to grind like mad in ONE ship. So are you really going to waste your time in something that doesn't have the new boff seats ?
I doubt it... most of us that have means are going to grab the new lockbox ships day one. Those with slightly less means are going to get a T6 ship. The only lockboxs that will be getting upgrades for the first little while will be alts for the most part as I see it.
Don't get me wrong I would much rather have seen them give lockbox ships... FREE upgrades to T5-U... or Paid upgrades to T5-U+ (aka T6).
If they wanted to charge me a reasonable amount of Zen to get a new Boff seating on my existing lockbox ships I would do it. With the free upgrade for stats and console option for those that don't care about the boff seat.
Having said that... we mostly retire our old lockbox ships anyway which was my point. You don't see people flying aorund in Tholian Orbs for example. Its an obsolete lockbox. Newer lockboxes will always have better stats. They aren't going to stop adding new lockboxes so this T6 Cstore ship bump is going to be short lived unless they are going to start doing something completely different then they have for the past 3 or so years.
Oh, and before I break for a meal... I think a lot of issues could also be resolved by replacing a Zen cost with a Dilithium cost.
You get a dilithium sink, players who are eager for a ship upgrade get one if they buy Zen, and you can actually make a ship upgrade 'earnable' just by actually playing the game itself.
First of all, your order is wrong there. If you did it in the order you suggested, you have to pay an extra upgrade cost. You'd want to go from C-Store to Fleet to Upgrade.
Secondly, if you're flying a fleet ship, then you paid more than $20 for the ship. Even if you scored your ship during a sale, you probably paid in between $20-$25 dollars MINIMUM. Max price would be $30, by my estimates (take the Tempest escort as that example... $25 ship + $5 module).
Thirdly, it is beyond silly to me that you're shocked to the point of upset over the prospect of paying the cost of 1-2 fleet modules to upgrade. This is exactly what I expected. The pay-once feature is quite welcomed... and, more importantly, these upgrade fees could be a LOT WORSE.
There is no order, dude. We don't even know what the upgrade costs are, more or less if the Fleet T5U upgrade cost is more or less than a regular T5U upgrade cost.
Secondly, most people (especially newcomers) isn't going to wait on a ship sale that's twice a year.
How would you like to pay for EVERY SHIP UPGRADE on EVERY TOON, regardless if you paid it before?
How would you like to pay for specialty ships to be upgraded?
How would you like to grind for "upgrade marks" ON TOP of paying ZEN?
How would you like to NOT GET AN UPGRADE AT ALL?
Any of these could have happened. But they didn't. Not thrilled with having to pay... but, this ain't THAT bad. And my investment in Lobi/Lock Box ships is gonna pay off a little.
How you like getting ripped off by a company who claims to be fair?
How you like paying for upgrades that's inferior?
How you being a Star Trek fan and ripped off because you like a particular canonical ship?
I wouldnt even care if i couldnt upgrade my current T5 ships. And yes i also bought some Zen Ships.
Its normal in a MMORPG that after a while a content patch comes and your current gear is "outdated". and its kinda about time that a upgrade comes, i personaly expectet it already with the Romolus content.
exactly. I've played quite a few MMO's and when there is an advancement of level cap there is always a new bit of gear that makes the old uber stuff weak.
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Based on the blog today, the question is are the extra BOFF ability, Specialist BOFF seat and Starship Trait "Tier 6 Capabilities"? If yes, there is a problem. If not, then no foul.
Seems to me those are the capabilities that make Tier 6 unique, so it seems the confusion the OP has is understandable.
All T6 ships will have the extra BOFF power.
Not all T6 ships will have the new BOFF station.
"Ship Traits" are going to be unlockable, without having to purchase a T6 ship. The fifth "Starship Mastery" level on T6 ships just unlocks a trait for the captain. So, you can either go the free route (yes, probably means GRIND), or buy a T6 ship.
Once a ship trait is unlocked, it will go with you to other ships.
1) Let me get this straight Cryptic... Odyssey, Vesta, Andorian Escort, Bortasqu', Scimitar Dreadnought. We paid anywhere from $25 to $75 per ship or all three for the $50 price tag. Now we have to pay MORE to upgrade them, but *not* upgrade them. Not good enough to keep people buying your expensive packages. Also, wtf. So much for your new 'flagships' being top of the line with this message.
2) So you will upgrade the lockbox ships for free... Oh that is *great* news, are you going to start upgrading everyone to gold accounts for free too and give silver accounts a free 500 Zen a month too?
3) (My solution) Maybe (since you want to make money off of them) you should charge an equal amount on ALL ships outside the bundles I have mentioned earlier, or, (for an idea) allow for the cost of say 100k to 300k Dilithium, to put the ships under a 24 hour upgrade in which you cannot use the ship for the 24 hours, but it refits fleet + Lockbox + Bundle ships to a T6. You get people more happy, they grind, have their ships, or will buy the Dilithium, helping your paychecks. They would be T6, and the T6 ones you no doubt have ready to sell from the C-Store, will be equivalent to the upgraded - Not superior.
If Cryptic had half a brain (this is in dispute) they would offer an upgrade package where you pay a single fee to upgrade all of your ships. Or they would discount for paying players.
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Yes please. Can I get a Freighter mastery that gives me an EC or Dilithium discount or other perk? :P
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I understand the need for the company to make a profit on this expansion. I don't mind paying to upgrade ships, I look at it like I'm just paying for a new expansion pack for any other game. A new expansion for WoW is $50, for example. So I don't feel bad spending money here. Even though I am a LTS I still like purchasing stuff and helping to support the game cause I love it.
That said, you guys don't think it's just a _little_ hinky to make the free event ships get free upgrades and the ships people pay (for example) 5000 zen for not upgrade for free? I would say any ship you purchase from the c-store that is over X amount of zen should come with a free upgrade. Kinda like how a T5 ship purchased through the zenstore only has a 1 FSM cost to upgrade to fleet quality.
All in all I will still purchase the T6 ships and will most likely upgrade my T5 ships over time when I want to switch it up. I am kind of bummed that T5-U ships will not have the special boff seating, but I'm not super bummed because we do not know what the new boff abilities entail.
I just wish you guys could maybe throw a bone to the folks who've already spent a lot of cash in the store on sets of ships. Also I am surprised, like others, to see the three factions' flagships stuck at T5-U status.
Thing is...lots of folks are looking at the cost as one big purchase. Did we do that before though? Weren't our purchases spread out over a period of time? We picked this up here, that up there, here and there over a period of time? Folks spent years building up their collections...shouldn't they look at it as taking years to upgrade those collections rather than raging over sticker shock as if they need to do it all the first day?
It looks like all the lockbox ships and almost 5 years of other ships will be obsolete.
I wouldnt even care if i couldnt upgrade my current T5 ships. And yes i also bought some Zen Ships.
Its normal in a MMORPG that after a while a content patch comes and your current gear is "outdated". and its kinda about time that a upgrade comes, i personaly expectet it already with the Romolus content.
This is a mess, and no unique BO abilities means T5U is obsolete from the get go. Even if it isn't so at delta rising release, if t6 packs won;t sell (just as the ark if didn't at release, new opness will be slapped onto them until they do. LOL@ "Bells and whistles"
This is now the third time i'm paying to keep the nebbie current, and each and every time it hasn't been the case.
Devs. you have no problem releasing one insanely op config plus lobi set bonus after the other for lockboxes. Could you not have considered giving T5 ships the same treatment, unique abilities, new buffs n all. I'd think it does;t matter to you what we pay 30(?)$ for, but it matters to us if its a bop skin, or a cruiser. Better cash for an old model "refit retrofit fleet version U" then no cash, no?
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The game is F2P, but it also has a subscribing playerbase that is sitting in the same boat as Free Palyers.
And the expansion is not as "free" as you try to make it out.
It hits extremely hard against dedicated and loyal STO players, which pretty much end up having to pay many times MORE than it would ever cost just to pay for an expansion pack, just to upgrade all their ships, for which they have already shelled out hundreds of dollars on.
Cryptic keeps taking and taking, but gives very little in return.
But, I agree... it just sounds like it will be T5-U for free. And we lose out on the extra BOFF power, and the new BOFF station (which won't be on all T6 ships, anyway).
I'll stick with my ships...no need to buy T6...I mean unless they learned from the power creep and are making changes post 50...my ships will still be powerful enough to easily get the job done.
T5-U11 not T6-10.
It's very meh to me. But it, along with T6 ships in general does provide benefits that I've been hoping for.
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so my fleet brel, which is still missing type 3 skin and c-store skin, that i got this year after my fleet finally unlock the t5 items need. To make it on pair. I know have to spend more. But it losses the bonus i paid for allready.
I say again. Fleet ship should be upgrade T5-U automatically and if not then at least should keep there fleet ship bonus.
But since it appears not I guesss the bright side is i free up 36gb for a less grindy game where they acutely appreciate there customer who have spent money in game.
I can under stand the upgrade for plan t5 ships. a veteran could gotten it for free.
I think the upgraded fleet Arkif will have the extra fleet bonus Health and shield boost, and +1 console if I read Gorn's post right.
It will be getting the 11th console, more hp (whether it is hull, shields, or both who knows), and mastery levels...those are T6 capabilities I guess.
They will have to make sure that T5 ships are capable of doing the new content as they are advertising that the new DR content is not tied to a T6 ship.
Of course you can pvp in any ship. I have pvped in mirror ships... still when it comes down to it if I'm going to play in a game that isn't just messing around vs pugs... or trolling some folks in kerrat. I am going to be in a lockbox ship. (your not going to see a pro sport player saying ya this cheap X or Y from wal mart is good enough... there going to get the best gear to play)
Now we are being told we are going to have to grind like mad in ONE ship. So are you really going to waste your time in something that doesn't have the new boff seats ?
I doubt it... most of us that have means are going to grab the new lockbox ships day one. Those with slightly less means are going to get a T6 ship. The only lockboxs that will be getting upgrades for the first little while will be alts for the most part as I see it.
Don't get me wrong I would much rather have seen them give lockbox ships... FREE upgrades to T5-U... or Paid upgrades to T5-U+ (aka T6).
If they wanted to charge me a reasonable amount of Zen to get a new Boff seating on my existing lockbox ships I would do it. With the free upgrade for stats and console option for those that don't care about the boff seat.
Having said that... we mostly retire our old lockbox ships anyway which was my point. You don't see people flying aorund in Tholian Orbs for example. Its an obsolete lockbox. Newer lockboxes will always have better stats. They aren't going to stop adding new lockboxes so this T6 Cstore ship bump is going to be short lived unless they are going to start doing something completely different then they have for the past 3 or so years.
You get a dilithium sink, players who are eager for a ship upgrade get one if they buy Zen, and you can actually make a ship upgrade 'earnable' just by actually playing the game itself.
Have to keep in mind there are T5-U10 and T5-U11, as you have both T5 9 and T5 10 console upgrades...
There is no order, dude. We don't even know what the upgrade costs are, more or less if the Fleet T5U upgrade cost is more or less than a regular T5U upgrade cost.
Secondly, most people (especially newcomers) isn't going to wait on a ship sale that's twice a year.
Third, good for you.
How you like getting ripped off by a company who claims to be fair?
How you like paying for upgrades that's inferior?
How you being a Star Trek fan and ripped off because you like a particular canonical ship?
And guess what, they are happening!
exactly. I've played quite a few MMO's and when there is an advancement of level cap there is always a new bit of gear that makes the old uber stuff weak.
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All T6 ships will have the extra BOFF power.
Not all T6 ships will have the new BOFF station.
"Ship Traits" are going to be unlockable, without having to purchase a T6 ship. The fifth "Starship Mastery" level on T6 ships just unlocks a trait for the captain. So, you can either go the free route (yes, probably means GRIND), or buy a T6 ship.
Once a ship trait is unlocked, it will go with you to other ships.
That's what we know.
1) Let me get this straight Cryptic... Odyssey, Vesta, Andorian Escort, Bortasqu', Scimitar Dreadnought. We paid anywhere from $25 to $75 per ship or all three for the $50 price tag. Now we have to pay MORE to upgrade them, but *not* upgrade them. Not good enough to keep people buying your expensive packages. Also, wtf. So much for your new 'flagships' being top of the line with this message.
2) So you will upgrade the lockbox ships for free... Oh that is *great* news, are you going to start upgrading everyone to gold accounts for free too and give silver accounts a free 500 Zen a month too?
3) (My solution) Maybe (since you want to make money off of them) you should charge an equal amount on ALL ships outside the bundles I have mentioned earlier, or, (for an idea) allow for the cost of say 100k to 300k Dilithium, to put the ships under a 24 hour upgrade in which you cannot use the ship for the 24 hours, but it refits fleet + Lockbox + Bundle ships to a T6. You get people more happy, they grind, have their ships, or will buy the Dilithium, helping your paychecks. They would be T6, and the T6 ones you no doubt have ready to sell from the C-Store, will be equivalent to the upgraded - Not superior.