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i have two things to say first being this quote the solanea is at the edge of the Delta Quadrant the scotty sphere is further into the delta quadrant.
second is to the whineing about the T6 and T5 and T5.5 get over urselves u spent money knowing SOONER or LATEr there well be a lvl cap raise and new stuff i have a %$^%$^&$$^ ton of cstore ships and fleet and lockbox/lobi ships does this expansion mean i am gonna stop playing them nope well i spend money on the new ships idk right now i am farming dilithium for any ship i want so if u got time to cry like a baby u got time to farm dilithium.
Why are you having ago at people who have a genuine concern? Why does it effect you that people are unhappy that "their" iconic ship may not be available at T6 (and most likely won't be) and being told "we got you covered" doesn't alliterate any of the concern.
So I guess that anyone who is not happy and has given reasons as to why, is whining?
Once again these forums are only for Cryptic yes men and CDFers.
If you all love the game like you purport to do, why are you on these forums so much defending Cryptic in everything they do? Do you get anything from it? Why not just go and play the game and leave the forum "whiners" to themselves?
So of these forum "whiners" have a reason to be upset or concerned. Want to know what that is? They have paid money to this game or have put countless hours into it. Simple. That gives them a right to "whine" as long as it doesn't break any forum rules. Those who do, it's down to the Mods to sort out, not the forum police.
If these same "whiners" decide to leave and not spend any money (and from what stats say, only a small amount of people actually pay money in a F2P game), then what happens to your precious STO then?
I think you CDFers are all drinking the same Kool aid that Al is drinking and that is belittle anyone who has an problem or issue, or clump everyone into the same bracket if they are not happy as whiners.
Cryptic doesn't care about you, you do realise that don't ya?
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Then please, please pass along this piece of feedback: Without any information on how upgraded Tier 5.x ships will compare to Tier 6 a lot of players, myself included, are very nervous about our current ships and if buying new ships (C-Store, keys for lockboxs, spending lobi) is even a safe thing to do right now. Without the ability to make an informed decision regarding purchases as a consumer it is certainly better to err on the side of caution. Please release the information that will put our minds at ease so that we can finally focus on the awesome parts of the expansion.
Here is my thinking about the T5 ships that are c-store and the new T-6 ships.
I bought a T5 ship knowing it was called a Tier 5 ship and that at some probable time down the road they'd raise the level cap like almost every mmo in existence has done. Now if you are new to MMO's and didn't expect that to happen, they've obviously given an upgrade route that hasn't had much info released about yet to allow T5 to be a bit up to standard with T6 ships (though apparently T6 ships will be super top of the line for the time being).
Sorry to be the downer but this isn't shocking and shouldn't be to anyone that's played MMO's. When a level cap raise happens, your stuff is obsolete and you need to get new gear. That's how it is. Yes, you paid money for it, but thems the breaks.
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And that's why you don't buy ZEN but you play abit I try to get it from dil
Well, after getting a Regent for 2500 zen, and then getting the fleet version for an additional ship module only through saving ingame , I actually feel that paying would have hurt much less. Would have been much less time involved that way...
(I hope that at the very least the devs will appreciate people's intention who bought the C-store versions AND the extra fleet module for 1000 more zen, with the sole purpose of having a long-lasting investment...)
Sorry to be the downer but this isn't shocking and shouldn't be to anyone that's played MMO's. When a level cap raise happens, your stuff is obsolete and you need to get new gear. That's how it is. Yes, you paid money for it, but thems the breaks.
Indeed. Which is why I didn't believe the "not making them obsolete" spiel. "Competitive" does not equal equal.
Seriously, What about out T5 and brand new ships? What about T5 fleet ships?
Did I open a garbage scow worth of lock boxes to get my Xindi dreadnought just to see it become obsolete a few WEEKS later? Or buy a Dyson Sphere Science ship for the same thing? And the voth ships I got a month ago are those going to get short changed too?
They have said that T5 ships will be able to be upgraded (and not through the crafting system) to be competitive with the new T6 ships (which will have UNIQUE things to them and them only).
One thing you've forgotten - right now in STO, you can take a team of ships gotten for free at level 40, put WHITE MK X gear on them, and with some smart players piloting them, EASILY take down all the elite content currently in STO (short of No Win Scenario perhaps).
And there's just -slightly- better items/ships/weapons available for us to get as of this point.
The new content will be playable (and no doubt easily) with the 'uber' ships we have right now with the 'uber' MK XII items gained from Fleets/Reputations/whatever. T6 ships will be entirely optional and only if you want the New Unique Stuff that they'll offer.
Here is my thinking about the T5 ships that are c-store and the new T-6 ships.
I bought a T5 ship knowing it was called a Tier 5 ship and that at some probable time down the road they'd raise the level cap like almost every mmo in existence has done. Now if you are new to MMO's and didn't expect that to happen, they've obviously given an upgrade route that hasn't had much info released about yet to allow T5 to be a bit up to standard with T6 ships (though apparently T6 ships will be super top of the line for the time being).
Sorry to be the downer but this isn't shocking and shouldn't be to anyone that's played MMO's. When a level cap raise happens, your stuff is obsolete and you need to get new gear. That's how it is. Yes, you paid money for it, but thems the breaks.
Everything you said I understand as I have seen it any everyone MMo I have played.
That said, if this is the way they're going, doesn't it mean that people will be less likely now to buy the new ships or buy lock boxes knowing that T7 could be out at any time?
A lot of people still cling to Dan the Man's words about no T6 and promptly spent money on the their T5 and T5.5, so doesn't it mean that unless their upgrade to T5.9 isn't a con and the difference between T5.9 and T6 is negligible, then some people simply won't buy any ships.
That said, if T6 isn't "a lot" better than T5.9, why spend money on a T6?
These are the questions that Cryptic "should" have had out the day of the announcement so people have the answers they need.
My opinion is that T6 will be substantially better than T5.
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Here is my thinking about the T5 ships that are c-store and the new T-6 ships.
I bought a T5 ship knowing it was called a Tier 5 ship and that at some probable time down the road they'd raise the level cap like almost every mmo in existence has done. Now if you are new to MMO's and didn't expect that to happen, they've obviously given an upgrade route that hasn't had much info released about yet to allow T5 to be a bit up to standard with T6 ships (though apparently T6 ships will be super top of the line for the time being).
Sorry to be the downer but this isn't shocking and shouldn't be to anyone that's played MMO's. When a level cap raise happens, your stuff is obsolete and you need to get new gear. That's how it is. Yes, you paid money for it, but thems the breaks.
I agree with everything you said, askray. No one should have been shocked when they heard that Tier 6 was incoming.
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really?!?!?!?!??!
come on, every current lockbox ship all the current rep items and everything will be useless??? that is not funny! it will make the bug ship promo useless lol all the people who have 1 and all lockbox ships! will they be upgraded? i think not
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Here is my thinking about the T5 ships that are c-store and the new T-6 ships.
I bought a T5 ship knowing it was called a Tier 5 ship and that at some probable time down the road they'd raise the level cap like almost every mmo in existence has done...
Everyone, or most long-term players, expected and wanted more end game content and ships. Most also probably expected additions (at cost) to improve their existing tier 5 ships. These things are expected in keeping a MMO current and entertaining; but no good MMO would just say that all you bought is now useless and now fork over more money. No one, with. common sense buys a new car when the older one is still just fine or they cannot use it for trade in on a new one. I expect STO to be equitable in how tier 5 ships will be brought up to a "competitive" level compared to tier 6. Still, the players have good reasons to asks for details and expect their monetary and/or time investment in tied 5 ships and associated Mk XII gear to be protected.
So, how are sales of today's Jem'Hadar Garbage Scow promotion doing? Not seeing very many "Someone's a winner!" messages.
Edit: They've since announced that the JHAS will get a free upgrade to T6 stats when the time comes. Planned ahead or damage control? You be the judge. And what about all the other lockbox ships and C-Store ships that real money has changed hands for?
come on, every current lockbox ship all the current rep items and everything will be useless??? that is not funny! it will make the bug ship promo useless lol all the people who have 1 and all lockbox ships! will they be upgraded? i think not
Worst Idea in STOs HISTORY!!!!!
Reputation items, Tier 5 and Fleet (Tier 5.5) ships and lockbox ships are not going to be left behind. This is what I believe will happen:
-Reputation sets will receive the ability to be upgraded to Mark XIII and XIV.
-Existing Tier 5 and Fleet ships will upgradable almost to the extent of Tier 6. They have said that they didn't want to invalidate people's ships and there will be a means to upgrade them. Same as the lockbox and promotional ships most likely.
Reputation items, Tier 5 and Fleet (Tier 5.5) ships and lockbox ships are not going to be left behind. This is what I believe will happen:
-Reputation sets will receive the ability to be upgraded to Mark XIII and XIV.
-Existing Tier 5 and Fleet ships will upgradable almost to the extent of Tier 6. They have said that they didn't want to invalidate people's ships and there will be a means to upgrade them. Same as the lockbox and promotional ships most likely.
sweet thank you soo much :-)
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Here is my thinking about the T5 ships that are c-store and the new T-6 ships.
(snip)
Sorry to be the downer but this isn't shocking and shouldn't be to anyone that's played MMO's.
I know this will come as a shocker but :
a) There are Trek fans here who do not play other games or other MMO's .
The amount of simplistic questions in the help forum as well as some new guildies should confirm this . And you should know this BTW , being in the position you hold and all .
b) How many other MMO's have your guild grind for a year or more for a single mount/ship (like we did , when we built the damn starbases for those T.5 ships) ?
See , I don't mind my weapons or shields becoming obsolete , but the starships , especially those we go for a crazy amount of time / grind / cash (or all 3) , be they starbase based or lockbox based -- those are a different ballgame ... , especially in an MMO that markets itself as "casual" .
So according to Al Rivera this is the biggest expnsion since Legacy of Romulus, making it the biggest expansion since the last expansion.
Well, is this an inclusive since? If so, it would mean it'S bigger than LOR.
Also, while only LOR has been officially called an expansion - featured episode releases or season updates would probably be also be called expansions outside of STO specifically.
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Probably the easiest way for them to go is have an upgrade (refit^2) that adds some hull and a universal console slot (put whatever you want into it!) to increase the stats of existing ships to make them in line with the new ones.
I suspect that the first generation of the new ships will be fairly generic, so the T6 Fed science ship won't have the Vesta's aux cannon or hanger for example. So the new ships will have the new mechanic/boff, but could be otherwise lackluster compared to existing ships.
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Look at poor Harry's track record, it wouldn't take much to make him happy. Janeway used him as her personal whipping boy Always felt bad for him on the show.
You know I do have to say I've played a lot of free to play games, and I think by far this one is one of the better ones. One of the only F2P games I've played that I can get pretty much everything in the game that a subscriber can get if I just put a little extra work into it.
While I have some issues with the game as it currently stands I do like it, I'm excited for the expansion and I think you guys are doing an awesome job!
What I see before the annoying redirect is him saying "Unlikely" which is not a flat out no, and then he goes on to say that they wouldn't want to do it and make older ships obsolete, a concern they have already said is being addressed.
I have the majority of the lockbox ships and plenty of c-store ships and I'm thrilled about this new expansion. I've got a few toons that will actively play with T6 ships, but from the statements I've heard, I'm expecting to be able to keep the majority right where I want them, in their RP ships.
I am excited but also nervous. Simply put, I -like- my ships and Cryptic's design are a lot of hit and miss. Besides if there's only non-ip, cryptic designed ships going around , it won't feel a lot like Trek anymore.
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Finally! Someone actually brings proof! Thank you.
Btw, no need to be snarky
Why are you having ago at people who have a genuine concern? Why does it effect you that people are unhappy that "their" iconic ship may not be available at T6 (and most likely won't be) and being told "we got you covered" doesn't alliterate any of the concern.
So I guess that anyone who is not happy and has given reasons as to why, is whining?
Once again these forums are only for Cryptic yes men and CDFers.
If you all love the game like you purport to do, why are you on these forums so much defending Cryptic in everything they do? Do you get anything from it? Why not just go and play the game and leave the forum "whiners" to themselves?
So of these forum "whiners" have a reason to be upset or concerned. Want to know what that is? They have paid money to this game or have put countless hours into it. Simple. That gives them a right to "whine" as long as it doesn't break any forum rules. Those who do, it's down to the Mods to sort out, not the forum police.
If these same "whiners" decide to leave and not spend any money (and from what stats say, only a small amount of people actually pay money in a F2P game), then what happens to your precious STO then?
I think you CDFers are all drinking the same Kool aid that Al is drinking and that is belittle anyone who has an problem or issue, or clump everyone into the same bracket if they are not happy as whiners.
Cryptic doesn't care about you, you do realise that don't ya?
Then please, please pass along this piece of feedback: Without any information on how upgraded Tier 5.x ships will compare to Tier 6 a lot of players, myself included, are very nervous about our current ships and if buying new ships (C-Store, keys for lockboxs, spending lobi) is even a safe thing to do right now. Without the ability to make an informed decision regarding purchases as a consumer it is certainly better to err on the side of caution. Please release the information that will put our minds at ease so that we can finally focus on the awesome parts of the expansion.
I bought a T5 ship knowing it was called a Tier 5 ship and that at some probable time down the road they'd raise the level cap like almost every mmo in existence has done. Now if you are new to MMO's and didn't expect that to happen, they've obviously given an upgrade route that hasn't had much info released about yet to allow T5 to be a bit up to standard with T6 ships (though apparently T6 ships will be super top of the line for the time being).
Sorry to be the downer but this isn't shocking and shouldn't be to anyone that's played MMO's. When a level cap raise happens, your stuff is obsolete and you need to get new gear. That's how it is. Yes, you paid money for it, but thems the breaks.
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Well, after getting a Regent for 2500 zen, and then getting the fleet version for an additional ship module only through saving ingame , I actually feel that paying would have hurt much less. Would have been much less time involved that way...
(I hope that at the very least the devs will appreciate people's intention who bought the C-store versions AND the extra fleet module for 1000 more zen, with the sole purpose of having a long-lasting investment...)
Indeed. Which is why I didn't believe the "not making them obsolete" spiel. "Competitive" does not equal equal.
One thing you've forgotten - right now in STO, you can take a team of ships gotten for free at level 40, put WHITE MK X gear on them, and with some smart players piloting them, EASILY take down all the elite content currently in STO (short of No Win Scenario perhaps).
And there's just -slightly- better items/ships/weapons available for us to get as of this point.
The new content will be playable (and no doubt easily) with the 'uber' ships we have right now with the 'uber' MK XII items gained from Fleets/Reputations/whatever. T6 ships will be entirely optional and only if you want the New Unique Stuff that they'll offer.
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Everything you said I understand as I have seen it any everyone MMo I have played.
That said, if this is the way they're going, doesn't it mean that people will be less likely now to buy the new ships or buy lock boxes knowing that T7 could be out at any time?
A lot of people still cling to Dan the Man's words about no T6 and promptly spent money on the their T5 and T5.5, so doesn't it mean that unless their upgrade to T5.9 isn't a con and the difference between T5.9 and T6 is negligible, then some people simply won't buy any ships.
That said, if T6 isn't "a lot" better than T5.9, why spend money on a T6?
These are the questions that Cryptic "should" have had out the day of the announcement so people have the answers they need.
My opinion is that T6 will be substantially better than T5.
Thank you very much!
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really?!?!?!?!??!
come on, every current lockbox ship all the current rep items and everything will be useless??? that is not funny! it will make the bug ship promo useless lol all the people who have 1 and all lockbox ships! will they be upgraded? i think not
Worst Idea in STOs HISTORY!!!!!
wanted to beat the Delta Meme n00bs LOL
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^^^ This. ^^^
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Everyone, or most long-term players, expected and wanted more end game content and ships. Most also probably expected additions (at cost) to improve their existing tier 5 ships. These things are expected in keeping a MMO current and entertaining; but no good MMO would just say that all you bought is now useless and now fork over more money. No one, with. common sense buys a new car when the older one is still just fine or they cannot use it for trade in on a new one. I expect STO to be equitable in how tier 5 ships will be brought up to a "competitive" level compared to tier 6. Still, the players have good reasons to asks for details and expect their monetary and/or time investment in tied 5 ships and associated Mk XII gear to be protected.
Edit: They've since announced that the JHAS will get a free upgrade to T6 stats when the time comes. Planned ahead or damage control? You be the judge. And what about all the other lockbox ships and C-Store ships that real money has changed hands for?
Reputation items, Tier 5 and Fleet (Tier 5.5) ships and lockbox ships are not going to be left behind. This is what I believe will happen:
-Reputation sets will receive the ability to be upgraded to Mark XIII and XIV.
-Existing Tier 5 and Fleet ships will upgradable almost to the extent of Tier 6. They have said that they didn't want to invalidate people's ships and there will be a means to upgrade them. Same as the lockbox and promotional ships most likely.
sweet thank you soo much :-)
wanted to beat the Delta Meme n00bs LOL
Join Date a player made up is NOT correct!
I know this will come as a shocker but :
a) There are Trek fans here who do not play other games or other MMO's .
The amount of simplistic questions in the help forum as well as some new guildies should confirm this . And you should know this BTW , being in the position you hold and all .
b) How many other MMO's have your guild grind for a year or more for a single mount/ship (like we did , when we built the damn starbases for those T.5 ships) ?
See , I don't mind my weapons or shields becoming obsolete , but the starships , especially those we go for a crazy amount of time / grind / cash (or all 3) , be they starbase based or lockbox based -- those are a different ballgame ... , especially in an MMO that markets itself as "casual" .
Also, while only LOR has been officially called an expansion - featured episode releases or season updates would probably be also be called expansions outside of STO specifically.
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I suspect that the first generation of the new ships will be fairly generic, so the T6 Fed science ship won't have the Vesta's aux cannon or hanger for example. So the new ships will have the new mechanic/boff, but could be otherwise lackluster compared to existing ships.
Look at poor Harry's track record, it wouldn't take much to make him happy. Janeway used him as her personal whipping boy
While I have some issues with the game as it currently stands I do like it, I'm excited for the expansion and I think you guys are doing an awesome job!
What I see before the annoying redirect is him saying "Unlikely" which is not a flat out no, and then he goes on to say that they wouldn't want to do it and make older ships obsolete, a concern they have already said is being addressed.
I have the majority of the lockbox ships and plenty of c-store ships and I'm thrilled about this new expansion. I've got a few toons that will actively play with T6 ships, but from the statements I've heard, I'm expecting to be able to keep the majority right where I want them, in their RP ships.