Right now, I got the feeling Cryptic is going to hose us with the Interiors again. People might remember when the Belfast came out, Cryptic gave the finger to players who bought the Defiant Interior Bridge Pack (which supposed to be a canonical interior, but wasn't). And instead of retroacting the Interior with the Bellerophon, they likely are going to create a new Bundle or a Tier 6 Intrepid that's going to have the interior. So those who bought the Bellerophon, the Tier 5 Intrepid Refit, and the Intrepid Interior bridge pack, will be getting a double middle finger.
This is exactly what I'm personally expecting. We've been asking for interiors for a very very long time now, now that their expansions are putting some real cash back into the company the least they could do is fix this.
I predict Cryptic will be pleasantly surprised how well this sells. Hopefully it will encourage them to not go wild on interiors but maybe make one or two more to sell that compliment a Cruiser and Escort as well.
Wait. . . you don't want this Intrepid class, properly scaled interior. . . because there are OTHER interiors that are not properly scaled?
Ignore that, Taco. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm very grateful to you guys for going through the trouble. Or whomever of the team did. Attention to detail like that is pretty awesome.
Now if you'll only find a way to give us missions that take place in Nova interiors, Phalanx interiors, Vigilant interiors, Dhael interiors... (aka reasons to get to other ship interiors)
Wait. . . you don't want this Intrepid class, properly scaled interior. . . because there are OTHER interiors that are not properly scaled?
I think people just want smaller interiors (Mainly bridges). Like the shuttle interior / "bridge" is awesome.
Obviously this goes to non-ship things like Starbases too.
DS9 would do it right with exception of the Exchange / Shipyard Pylons which aren't anything like DS9.
People like ship interiors? well, weird people are everywhere
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The new Origin interior is one of the best steps forward and I loved the Belfast interior. I am chomping at the bit for the Voyager interior as I expect to spend a great deal of time simply drooling over astrometrics.
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Judging from the picture, the new Intrepid Bridge does look rather accurate. Except one very notable flaw.............. there is no Intrepid MSD in the center of the screens. :P
Judging from the picture, the new Intrepid Bridge does look rather accurate. Except one very notable flaw.............. there is no Intrepid MSD in the center of the screens. :P
Even the faux Intrepid bridge had it. :rolleyes:
They're not making new LCARS for the interior, not enough time apparently.
Not like they couldn't pull the MSD from the faux and reuse it for the real. :P
agreed. the MSD is a very important part of the look of a starfleet bridge, so if they don't have time to make one that matches the new LCARS, then just use the one from the wanna-be bridge. im sure it could be blended in well enough, and it would be much better that having there just be no MSD.
i'm also hoping the viewscreen is more than just a 2d starfield. i have no problem with a starfield, but the one on the defiant is terribly disappointing. a 3d starfield would be great, but the classic warping doppler star effect would be better.
I asked about the old MSD on twitter. To quote "Its old and ugly." Touche. Most of the art elements from that time were. Plus I plan to use it on my Ambassador. Doesn't quite match.
As far as the viewscreen goes. Well, its kinda hard to do a 3D stars effect w/out being unneedly taxing on the system. I believe the Origin Bridge's window viewscreen is the only way you could get that work. And I remember the complaints about that. It'll probably be a reuse of existing textures and animations to save costs. Sucks, but hey, they have to skimp somewhere and the viewscreen is the least relevent part of the bridge in-game imo.
Plus what if someone wanted to run this bridge on a ship other then an intrepid? I've seen those complaints for the default bridges having MSDs.
And I can easily turn that around in saying, "I can't have the MSD because someone wants that as another ship's interior?" We are paying for an accurate "Intrepid" bridge, which the Intrepid interior always had the MSD in the background.
If they can give us an option between the kitchen or not, then surely we should have an option to have the display or not.
i'm also hoping the viewscreen is more than just a 2d starfield. i have no problem with a starfield, but the one on the defiant is terribly disappointing. a 3d starfield would be great, but the classic warping doppler star effect would be better.
I agree. They seemed to make progress with that with the newer bridges. Since its a flat panel, they could easily faux it by turning into a window and have the warp streaks outside. Giving it a feeling of real 3-D.
Why am I not surprised. "Well it's close enough, we'll run with it".
Not like they couldn't pull the MSD from the faux and reuse it for the real. :P
Yeesh. . .
We're working on it. The old one is old. And busted. We're going to try and make up a new MSD that fits the current 2410 LCARS colors and styling. It's not even on tribble yet, give us some time.
i'm also hoping the viewscreen is more than just a 2d starfield. i have no problem with a starfield, but the one on the defiant is terribly disappointing. a 3d starfield would be great, but the classic warping doppler star effect would be better.
What, exactly, is a "3d Starfield"? This will be a standard viewscreen like all the rest. It is not a window into space.
We're working on it. The old one is old. And busted. We're going to try and make up a new MSD that fits the current 2410 LCARS colors and styling. It's not even on tribble yet, give us some time.
I think you just made a lot of people reeeeeeallllllly happy.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
On the topic of interiors...any chance of Fed hallways and rooms getting fixed like the ones in the Academy Intro mission (you know smaller ceilings, rounded hallways, etc. After all the designs do exist...is it really that hard to make them that way for at least all the Fed ships?
Thanks in advance...
Also, just gonna shoot this one out there hehe...any chance of buying the new Intreped interior but keeping my awesome Odyssey bridge
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We're working on it. The old one is old. And busted. We're going to try and make up a new MSD that fits the current 2410 LCARS colors and styling. It's not even on tribble yet, give us some time.
So you guys are working on the MSD. Guess it contradicts the reddit post.
What, exactly, is a "3d Starfield"? This will be a standard viewscreen like all the rest. It is not a window into space.
Technically........ it is.
I mean if you put a camera on the opposite side of the wall (with no windows), and display the video on a screen on the opposite end, doesn't that make it a window?
With fan recreations you can't, but you can with screenshots directly from the show. Not actually saying reuse that exact picture, just use it as a template to speed up the recreation.
Besides, you ask Doug Drexler for a copy of his Intrepid MSD that he provided Memory Alpha?
We're working on it. The old one is old. And busted. We're going to try and make up a new MSD that fits the current 2410 LCARS colors and styling. It's not even on tribble yet, give us some time.
What, exactly, is a "3d Starfield"? This will be a standard viewscreen like all the rest. It is not a window into space.
a 3d starfield has depth. it changes according to your perspective. walk to the left and you see more stars beyond the right edge of the screen. i'm sure some would say that it cant happen like that because it's just a flat viewscreen, but in fact, the viewscreen on voyager, and probably most newer ships is actually a holographic grid capable of displaing 3d views generated by the ships sensors.
the defiant bridge has just a flat picture of white dots. it feels like a picture on the wall and not a live display of space.
on the other hand, the runabout bridge has a real view that acts as i described. it even has a bit of a doppler effect, with the closer stars elongated and moving, though not color shifted.
i havent been on any other bridge lately, but i feel like i've seen others that have the good version.
On the topic of interiors...any chance of Fed hallways and rooms getting fixed like the ones in the Academy Intro mission (you know smaller ceilings, rounded hallways, etc.
thats also a very good point. since taco said that they're going for a canon interior with this one, i do hope it will be sized properly. the defiant is close, but still too big. the corridors are a bit too wide, and the celings are much too tall. there's actually a line above the doorways on the defiant where the celing should be, but instead it goes up another 2 feet past that line, making it still feel very large.
Have you seen the Defiant, Romulan and TOS interiors? Those are exactly what you're asking for.
¿? What game are you playing lol? or you mean, again bridges and not interiors? my romulan interiors are always the same in every ship, my defiant interior is the same as my other federation ships, ETC. Of course, the bridges are different in some cases, but the rest...
¿? What game are you playing lol? or you mean, again bridges and not interiors? my romulan interiors are always the same in every ship, my defiant interior is the same as my other federation ships, ETC. Of course, the bridges are different in some cases, but the rest...
if you're defiant interior is the same as every other ship, then you aren't using the right one. make sure your bridge is set to "belfast". i think the interior gets automatically set when you select belfast.
edit: if you don't have the option for belfast, then you didn't buy the ds9 pack. if you love the defiant, buy the ds9 pack, use the bridge, and you'll be much happier.
if you're defiant interior i the same as every other ship, then you aren't using the right one. make sure your bridge is set to "belfast". i think the interior gets automatically set when you select belfast.
It's worth pointing out that this fellow may not have purchased the Deep Space Nine or TOS bundles, and therefore may not own those interiors. Which are awesome.
But yeah, the Romulan interior is great, and well-scaled. Sorry if the fact that there's only one of them is upsetting to you, but at least it's one great interior.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
But yeah, the Romulan interior is great, and well-scaled. Sorry if the fact that there's only one of them is upsetting to you, but at least it's one great interior.
LOL. Romulan interior well-scaled?! My tiny Fleet T'Varo Refit has an engine room the size of a flight deck carrier! :P It's very pretty, though.
LOL. Romulan interior well-scaled?! My tiny Fleet T'Varo Refit has an engine room the size of a flight deck carrier! :P It's very pretty, though.
I was referring to interior scaling - height and width of the hallways, stuff like that. Your point about fitting that interior into that ship is well-taken.
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This is exactly what I'm personally expecting. We've been asking for interiors for a very very long time now, now that their expansions are putting some real cash back into the company the least they could do is fix this.
What are you smoking?
Interiors are one of the best things in STO.
And slowly but surely we're getting canon interiors added, so calm your horse.
Wait. . . you don't want this Intrepid class, properly scaled interior. . . because there are OTHER interiors that are not properly scaled?
Now if you'll only find a way to give us missions that take place in Nova interiors, Phalanx interiors, Vigilant interiors, Dhael interiors... (aka reasons to get to other ship interiors)
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I think people just want smaller interiors (Mainly bridges). Like the shuttle interior / "bridge" is awesome.
Obviously this goes to non-ship things like Starbases too.
DS9 would do it right with exception of the Exchange / Shipyard Pylons which aren't anything like DS9.
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The new Origin interior is one of the best steps forward and I loved the Belfast interior. I am chomping at the bit for the Voyager interior as I expect to spend a great deal of time simply drooling over astrometrics.
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Even the faux Intrepid bridge had it. :rolleyes:
Have you seen the Defiant, Romulan and TOS interiors? Those are exactly what you're asking for.
They're not making new LCARS for the interior, not enough time apparently.
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Correction, not enough time for a FULL set.. So who knows.
They're still working on it, see those lights on the floor next to the conn in yesterday's dev blog? They were not there in the last shot released, this one here http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/VOY_Bridge.jpg
Why am I not surprised. "Well it's close enough, we'll run with it".
Not like they couldn't pull the MSD from the faux and reuse it for the real. :P
It wouldn't match the other LCARS. Also I edited my post with a couple more things./
Plus what if someone wanted to run this bridge on a ship other then an intrepid? I've seen those complaints for the default bridges having MSDs.
agreed. the MSD is a very important part of the look of a starfleet bridge, so if they don't have time to make one that matches the new LCARS, then just use the one from the wanna-be bridge. im sure it could be blended in well enough, and it would be much better that having there just be no MSD.
i'm also hoping the viewscreen is more than just a 2d starfield. i have no problem with a starfield, but the one on the defiant is terribly disappointing. a 3d starfield would be great, but the classic warping doppler star effect would be better.
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As far as the viewscreen goes. Well, its kinda hard to do a 3D stars effect w/out being unneedly taxing on the system. I believe the Origin Bridge's window viewscreen is the only way you could get that work. And I remember the complaints about that. It'll probably be a reuse of existing textures and animations to save costs. Sucks, but hey, they have to skimp somewhere and the viewscreen is the least relevent part of the bridge in-game imo.
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I didn't say the entire LCARs, just the Voyager MSD. Heck, they could even Google "Voyager MSD" and get the picture off internet to save time.
And I can easily turn that around in saying, "I can't have the MSD because someone wants that as another ship's interior?" We are paying for an accurate "Intrepid" bridge, which the Intrepid interior always had the MSD in the background.
If they can give us an option between the kitchen or not, then surely we should have an option to have the display or not.
I agree. They seemed to make progress with that with the newer bridges. Since its a flat panel, they could easily faux it by turning into a window and have the warp streaks outside. Giving it a feeling of real 3-D.
Yeesh. . .
We're working on it. The old one is old. And busted. We're going to try and make up a new MSD that fits the current 2410 LCARS colors and styling. It's not even on tribble yet, give us some time.
What, exactly, is a "3d Starfield"? This will be a standard viewscreen like all the rest. It is not a window into space.
No, legally we cannot.
I think you just made a lot of people reeeeeeallllllly happy.
Note that "We're going to try. . ." is in no way a promise of completion in time. It is a promise that we will attempt to make it happen.
My main point is, you're looking at screenshots of a work in progress. The thing isn't even on tribble yet. It is clearly not complete.
Thanks in advance...
Also, just gonna shoot this one out there hehe...any chance of buying the new Intreped interior but keeping my awesome Odyssey bridge
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Probably not, you cannot do that with any other bridge.
im sure i heard it mentioned that the intro mission to Delta Rising is on voyager, this may be what The Taco is referring too... maybe
So you guys are working on the MSD. Guess it contradicts the reddit post.
Technically........ it is.
I mean if you put a camera on the opposite side of the wall (with no windows), and display the video on a screen on the opposite end, doesn't that make it a window?
With fan recreations you can't, but you can with screenshots directly from the show. Not actually saying reuse that exact picture, just use it as a template to speed up the recreation.
Besides, you ask Doug Drexler for a copy of his Intrepid MSD that he provided Memory Alpha?
excellent
a 3d starfield has depth. it changes according to your perspective. walk to the left and you see more stars beyond the right edge of the screen. i'm sure some would say that it cant happen like that because it's just a flat viewscreen, but in fact, the viewscreen on voyager, and probably most newer ships is actually a holographic grid capable of displaing 3d views generated by the ships sensors.
the defiant bridge has just a flat picture of white dots. it feels like a picture on the wall and not a live display of space.
on the other hand, the runabout bridge has a real view that acts as i described. it even has a bit of a doppler effect, with the closer stars elongated and moving, though not color shifted.
i havent been on any other bridge lately, but i feel like i've seen others that have the good version.
well at least we have hope now, as opposed to thinking that it's just not part of the plan.
thats also a very good point. since taco said that they're going for a canon interior with this one, i do hope it will be sized properly. the defiant is close, but still too big. the corridors are a bit too wide, and the celings are much too tall. there's actually a line above the doorways on the defiant where the celing should be, but instead it goes up another 2 feet past that line, making it still feel very large.
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¿? What game are you playing lol? or you mean, again bridges and not interiors? my romulan interiors are always the same in every ship, my defiant interior is the same as my other federation ships, ETC. Of course, the bridges are different in some cases, but the rest...
if you're defiant interior is the same as every other ship, then you aren't using the right one. make sure your bridge is set to "belfast". i think the interior gets automatically set when you select belfast.
edit: if you don't have the option for belfast, then you didn't buy the ds9 pack. if you love the defiant, buy the ds9 pack, use the bridge, and you'll be much happier.
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It's worth pointing out that this fellow may not have purchased the Deep Space Nine or TOS bundles, and therefore may not own those interiors. Which are awesome.
But yeah, the Romulan interior is great, and well-scaled. Sorry if the fact that there's only one of them is upsetting to you, but at least it's one great interior.
LOL. Romulan interior well-scaled?! My tiny Fleet T'Varo Refit has an engine room the size of a flight deck carrier! :P It's very pretty, though.
I was referring to interior scaling - height and width of the hallways, stuff like that. Your point about fitting that interior into that ship is well-taken.