I have two questions. 1st. Whats going to happen to the oddy class its suppose to be the advance ship if u go canon since it is the new enterprise if not the new ships out rank the flagship then.
2nd. This would be the best time to bring back topic of the typhoon and jupiter class ships which said was to be added are we going to see them released soon here.
The new ships are supposed to be a new class. Captain Geko has said in the past that they are working on giving us control of multiple ships. Maybe the new ships are Command ships with +1 console +10% shields/hull. They could have tac, eng, and sci variants, but the t6 ships would be command ships meaning they would have "powers" that would let us control other ships on our fleet.
Just speculation until we get some more dev blogs. I am perpaired to be 100% wrong.
Captain Geko has said in the past that they are working on giving us control of multiple ships. .
Thats the problem, you believe everything they say. I dont think this is going to happen EVER. And i dont care what captain geko said lol. I just look at the facts.
The new ships are supposed to be a new class. Captain Geko has said in the past that they are working on giving us control of multiple ships. Maybe the new ships are Command ships with +1 console +10% shields/hull. They could have tac, eng, and sci variants, but the t6 ships would be command ships meaning they would have "powers" that would let us control other ships on our fleet.
Just speculation until we get some more dev blogs. I am perpaired to be 100% wrong.
Thats the problem, you believe everything they say. I dont think this is going to happen EVER. And i dont care what captain geko said lol. I just look at the facts.
First - Is this where I get to start pining for a T6 Connie?
Second - "Competitive" and "Obsolete" are subjective terms. I flew for the longest time in my T5 straight-up L40 Luna, even though there were the +1s and the .5s (fleet grade) birds and felt that the 10% hull and shield weren't, at the time, worth $25 or $50. And yet, I never lost an E-STF because of lacking that "fleet grade" kit...
However, for the average PvPer, that 10/10% is one volley's worth of damage, and in an dead-equal in every other aspect match, the difference. Therefore, any ship that does not have those levels of tolerance is suddenly "obsolete"...
Details necessary as to how this is gonna pan out...
Also, how does these "new BOffs" fit into the universal BOff slotting scheme? Recluse comes out of mothballs if (as the description implies), I can slot a new style BOff into the slot... And my son's Tal'Shiar Adapted might get it's Cmdr Uni re-examined...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Well, my hope at any rate is that the new awesome abilities/powers are tied to universal consoles that can be equipped on T5.5/T5 ships. It would be a welcome way to make T5 ships competitive without allowing them to get the benefits of T6 ships without purchasing said T6 ships.
As my fleeties and I have discussed, this expansion will be a make or break moment for STO. And while story content, leveling experience, etc. will play a role in deciding which of those two sides STO heads towards, the real determining factor will be how the devs handle stuff players have purchased with large sums of dil and/or Zen. If those items remain truly competitive, this expansion might just make STO great. If those items are "competitive" but don't really hold up (meaning all that dil and Zen just went down the drain), then this expansion could very well be STO's death knell.
It's a delicate balancing act raising the level cap at this point. So many Mk XII and T5 items have come out that cost lots of dil and Zen. It will all be about striking the right cord with people who have invested heavily in the current system.
Well, my hope at any rate is that the new awesome abilities/powers are tied to universal consoles that can be equipped on T5.5/T5 ships. It would be a welcome way to make T5 ships competitive without allowing them to get the benefits of T6 ships without purchasing said T6 ships.
As my fleeties and I have discussed, this expansion will be a make or break moment for STO. And while story content, leveling experience, etc. will play a role in deciding which of those two sides STO heads towards, the real determining factor will be how the devs handle stuff players have purchased with large sums of dil and/or Zen. If those items remain truly competitive, this expansion might just make STO great. If those items are "competitive" but don't really hold up (meaning all that dil and Zen just went down the drain), then this expansion could very well be STO's death knell.
It's a delicate balancing act raising the level cap at this point. So many Mk XII and T5 items have come out that cost lots of dil and Zen. It will all be about striking the right cord with people who have invested heavily in the current system.
I keep coming back to the Apple Iphone example as it is widely known.
Soon Apple will release the Iphone 6 - for another $500 to $800 US
Will it be better/faster/more features than the Iphone 5 from last year - yes
So now lets use some of the Dev's terms when talking about the older ships:
Will the Iphone 5 still be "viable" for all content that it encounters - yes
Will the Iphone 5 still be "competitive" with the Iphone 6 in the content available - yes but slightly less competitive.
Will the Iphone 5 still be "useful" when the Iphone 6 is released - yes
Will the Iphone 5 be "Obsolete" by the new Iphone 6 - no - it will still be fast and overpowered for most people's everyday use.
So the Iphone 5 won't have all the extra 5-7% power upgrade of the Iphone 6 - the screen maybe smaller, and it may have a lower quality camera - by all reasonable standards the Iphone 5 will still be viable/competitive/useful
Yet you will see MILLIONS of people line up to spend another $500-$800 US only 1 year after spending $500 - $800 US for a phone which is only marginal better than the one they have.
So how is releasing a more powerful class of ship any different then what apple does? It's strange that when Apple does this every few months people are not that upset that their $800 phone just became "obsolete"
I am not supporting Cryptic's plan - just making an observation.
I am not supporting Cryptic's plan - just making an observation.
RA 9 Console
2000 ZEN 9 Console
2500 ZEN 10 Console
Fleet 10 Console
Lock Box 10 Console
Lobi 10 Console
They're all T5 boats.
So T6 boats come out...which T5 boats are Cryptic comparing the T6 boats to while saying they will still be useful/competitive? Cause some would say that the RA 9 Console and even the 2000 ZEN 9 Console are not useful/competitive to the various 10 Console boats.
There's 6 tiers of "power" there at T5. Each a little one, if one looks at it in terms of the incremental increase...but much different when one compares the Lobi to the RA boat.
What kind of step will going to T6 involve...that little incremental step as seen with the T5 boats? Or more along the lines of where some folks think there already are T6 boats compared to T5 boats in the T5 group?
Why can't we upgrade our T5/5.5 ships to Tier 6 AND get the special abilities? Those who want to suffer the new designs can get them. Those of us who still want to play our iconic vessels can do the same.
Since Geko's spearheading this, there will likely be a T6 EXCELSIOR available.
But everything else? Well it will go like this:
1- Posters will make threads.
2- Geko will ignore the threads.
3- Geko will toss out some offhand remark in a podcast about how it's all just posters whining and complaining.
4- The T6 SHIP threads will be frowned upon by Geko so he'll mention it to Trendy or Smirk.
5- They'll then send out emails to the mods who will add it to the FCT list and then the issue will finally be resolved by essentially deleting any and all further discussion on the topic.
RA 9 Console
2000 ZEN 9 Console
2500 ZEN 10 Console
Fleet 10 Console
Lock Box 10 Console
Lobi 10 Console
They're all T5 boats.
So T6 boats come out...which T5 boats are Cryptic comparing the T6 boats to while saying they will still be useful/competitive? Cause some would say that the RA 9 Console and even the 2000 ZEN 9 Console are not useful/competitive to the various 10 Console boats.
There's 6 tiers of "power" there at T5. Each a little one, if one looks at it in terms of the incremental increase...but much different when one compares the Lobi to the RA boat.
What kind of step will going to T6 involve...that little incremental step as seen with the T5 boats? Or more along the lines of where some folks think there already are T6 boats compared to T5 boats in the T5 group?
Well if you follow the business plan like apple - you make the next line just a bit better than the one before - so that people feel they need to "upgrade" to the new level.
I know my example takes a real world "Physical" item and compares it to a "virtual" item - but they do the same thing - small increases in power/features in each generation.
I would argue that Apple is much worse - they seem to only do tiny changes every year simply so they can keep coming out with a newer/better phone like clockwork. At least this change by Cryptic has not been as drastic since the move to the 10 console Mark 11/12 from 2 1/2 years ago.
Like I said - I have a LOT of ships - some people are talking about their one of 2 Oddys - well this is what I have in T5:
Fed:
Oddy 3 pack
Vesta 3 pack
Nebula retrofit (plus 2 toons with Fleet)
Excel Retrofit (plus 2 toons with fleet)
Defiant Retrofit (plus 1 toon with Fleet)
Avenger (plus 1 toon with Fleet)
MVAM (plus 1 toon with Fleet)
Intrepid Retrofit
So this topic does effect me a little. But in the end - it's not unexpected.
I can't remember if I actually posted it in one of the threads or if I got ticked off, went to smoke, and forgot about it or not.
A new tier isn't what bothers me...not so much. This isn't my first MMO...this isn't even my 20th MMO in the past almost 17 years of playing them.
I'm very much used to the 1-2 years of spending $200-400+ only to have to do that again and again...er...and again, etc, etc, etc.
Somebody that bought a T4 Mogai for 1500 ZEN still had to pay 2000 ZEN for their T5 Mogai and if they wanted the 10th console they dropped out another 500 ZEN...so if there is a T6 Mogai; there's no reason they shouldn't expect to pay for it as well.
My issue is that there's a bunch of things along those lines that I've been waiting for as KDF ships...and well, if they finally introduce them at the T5 level while there is T6 out there...it's just kind of an epic /facepalm scenario.
Yeah bout what 125 bucks right out the window. Well not surprised. Way of the world.
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Most of the playerbase is dumb. I'm okay with them not going with the playerbase's ideas on the matter.
FYI this is the second time in the last 24 hours that you've used that same generic dregatory toward your fellow players .
Take a note that this is one reason that you are not only viewed as being on a tall horse, but rather as someone who is perminantly strapped onto one .
Arrogance is not something you can whitewash.
Like Geko's indiscriminate dislike for the STO playrtbase shines through, so does yours.
In the end it will come down to marketing. STO is, after all, a product produced by a for-profit private company. The playerbase are customers. I don't think the devs can really afford to dislike the playerbase as a whole. There might be certain segments of it they don't but they would not be a terribly good company if they all hated their customers. We all get worked up because we are passionate about the game and so are the devs. But we often lose sight of the fact that this is a product designed to make a profit.
We don't have the numbers. My guess is that Tribble might be used as a testing ground to get metrics on how many people would switch to T6 and what the gut reaction will be to the upgrades/conversions that occur. I imagine like most companies, Cryptic uses a data driven approach when making decisions that affect the consumers and could adversely affect earnings. It is worth bearing in mind that the forum community only makes up a fraction of the playerbase.
Bottom line: It really doesn't matter terribly what the devs initial thoughts might be; if the data shows that an idea is going to be a money loser then they'll probably tweak it. Anyone who thinks the devs aren't monitoring these feedback and reaction threads should think again. This might not be representative of the entire playerbase, but getting a feel for how a decision might impact consumer spending habits in the game is of great import for PWE/Cryptic.
Second - "Competitive" and "Obsolete" are subjective terms. I flew for the longest time in my T5 straight-up L40 Luna, even though there were the +1s and the .5s (fleet grade) birds and felt that the 10% hull and shield weren't, at the time, worth $25 or $50. And yet, I never lost an E-STF because of lacking that "fleet grade" kit...
However, for the average PvPer, that 10/10% is one volley's worth of damage, and in an dead-equal in every other aspect match, the difference. Therefore, any ship that does not have those levels of tolerance is suddenly "obsolete"...
Exactly. People have beaten the Borg Elite PvE content with the level 40 gained ships and white Mk X equipment. With the optionals. Those ships are still completely 'competitive' in PvE content.
No doubt our current ships decked out with Mk XII gear and/or Fleet/Reputation stuff will be MORE than fine for the new PvE content.
PvP...well, Cryptic has never really cared for the PvP crowd and as such, yeah, you're going to want the absolute brand new/best stuff or else.
Long story short - stop worrying. Your current ships will be JUST FINE for the new PvE stuffs. Cryptic would be absolutely insane to make our current ships just not work anymore.
IMO they should elevate all the faction flagships to native Tier 6 ships, with the full suite of powers and perks.
Why?
They are supposed to be the brand spanking new top-of-the-line flagships of the fleet, with the most advanced tech to date.
I mean the ol NCC-1701-E was not made obsolete or dated a year after its launch, and by STO's calendar the new flagships were introduced in 2409, and the game is now in 2410.
FYI this is the second time in the last 24 hours that you've used that same generic dregatory toward your fellow players .
Take a note that this is one reason that you are not only viewed as being on a tall horse, but rather as someone who is perminantly strapped onto one .
Arrogance is not something you can whitewash.
Like Geko's indiscriminate dislike for the STO playrtbase shines through, so does yours.
For once I agree with you. The playerbase isn't dumb. It's conflicting. Everyone wants different things, everyone wants to do things other players don't want, one mans trash is another's treasure yadda yadda yadda. Cryptics job is pleasing as many people as they possibly can.
I can't remember if I actually posted it in one of the threads or if I got ticked off, went to smoke, and forgot about it or not.
A new tier isn't what bothers me...not so much. This isn't my first MMO...this isn't even my 20th MMO in the past almost 17 years of playing them.
I'm very much used to the 1-2 years of spending $200-400+ only to have to do that again and again...er...and again, etc, etc, etc.
Somebody that bought a T4 Mogai for 1500 ZEN still had to pay 2000 ZEN for their T5 Mogai and if they wanted the 10th console they dropped out another 500 ZEN...so if there is a T6 Mogai; there's no reason they shouldn't expect to pay for it as well.
My issue is that there's a bunch of things along those lines that I've been waiting for as KDF ships...and well, if they finally introduce them at the T5 level while there is T6 out there...it's just kind of an epic /facepalm scenario.
There is only one reason that my KDF T5 ship lineup is not bigger - there are no good ships!! I love the B'rel but it is outclassed now by the T'Varo - so I created a KDF/rommie to fly the Fleet T'Varo (I can still use the Fleet B'rel quite well on a sci toon - but that's about it) I have been eyeing the Guramba for 2 years - it used to be popular in PvP until it was outclassed - with the fleet version I may take another look.
I wonder just how many KDF ships there will be - a new Negh 'var variant would be nice. Maybe a Tier 6 K'Vort class Heavy Bop:eek::P:D
I sincerely hope that if they're going to make us spend zen for new ships that they add diversity and customization back into the formula. Every ship that's come after the Scimitar has been sorely lacking in appearance customization. The pinnacle of this being the Dyson ships. They all look virtually identical. I know many of us were hoping to at least be able to use our Veteran material on them but we didn't even get that... I myself haven't purchased a new ship since the Scimitar, mostly due to the lack of customization.
ISo how is releasing a more powerful class of ship any different then what apple does? It's strange that when Apple does this every few months people are not that upset that their $800 phone just became "obsolete"
Well, for one thing, you can sell your old iPhone to offset the cost of the new one. Because that iPhone you paid money for, you actually OWN.
They're not really gone, as long as we remember them
We all knew level increase was coming. They've been talking about it for years. We also knew that with the increase we would certainly be pushed to get new ships. They did it the last time they increased the level cap.
The problem comes with things like Fleet Ships... Many of us spent A LOT of time and resources to get our Fleet Ships because they were the "top of the line". Another appeal of the Fleet Ships was that we could get ANY model we wanted. It was a GREAT way to get the ship you loved with the top of the line stats. Now they'll be obsolete.
The problem also translates to "Flag Ships". Some of us are extremely attached to our Odyssey, Scimitar and Bortasqu'. Now we're being told we'll have to let them go if we want to stay competitive.. That doesn't settle well with me personally.
We all knew level increase was coming. They've been talking about it for years. We also knew that with the increase we would certainly be pushed to get new ships. They did it the last time they increased the level cap.
The problem comes with things like Fleet Ships... Many of us spent A LOT of time and resources to get our Fleet Ships because they were the "top of the line". Another appeal of the Fleet Ships was that we could get ANY model we wanted. It was a GREAT way to get the ship you loved with the top of the line stats. Now they'll be obsolete.
The problem also translates to "Flag Ships". Some of us are extremely attached to our Odyssey, Scimitar and Bortasqu'. Now we're being told we'll have to let them go if we want to stay competitive.. That doesn't settle well with me personally.
There are some serious concerns - fleet ships being one - but a even bigger issue it the extremely costly Lock - box and Lobi ships - how will they be treated considering a new lock box is sure to come out at the same time as the Expansion. So will the new lock box ship be Tier 6 and the old ones t.5++ something?
There are some serious concerns - fleet ships being one - but a even bigger issue it the extremely costly Lock - box and Lobi ships - how will they be treated considering a new lock box is sure to come out at the same time as the Expansion. So will the new lock box ship be Tier 6 and the old ones t.5++ something?
Excellent point, especially considering that some people, like my husband, spent well over $200 to get their ONE LB ship...
Excellent point, especially considering that some people, like my husband, spent well over $200 to get their ONE LB ship...
And that's the type of thing that will kill them. Absolutely kill Cryptic.
They instituted this lottery lockbox thing years ago with Free to Play. And have used to generate profits.
But if they essentially downgrade all of those purchases with their new tier of ships, they will severely damage their loyal customers. Not their ranting raving forum whiners that they dismiss in podcasts. Their bread and butter customers who loyally hand money over to play their luck at their lottery.
Because no one's going to pay those prices for something that runs the risk of becoming obsolete like that.
It's a bad business model. People will stop paying money for those things.
And that's the type of thing that will kill them. Absolutely kill Cryptic.
They instituted this lottery lockbox thing years ago with Free to Play. And have used to generate profits.
But if they essentially downgrade all of those purchases with their new tier of ships, they will severely damage their loyal customers. Not their ranting raving forum whiners that they dismiss in podcasts. Their bread and butter customers who loyally hand money over to play their luck at their lottery.
Because no one's going to pay those prices for something that runs the risk of becoming obsolete like that.
It's a bad business model. People will stop paying money for those things.
The well will start to run dry.
One thing I've learned from experience is that the team does listen to our feedback. A perfect example was when they upgraded the Galaxy X and brought it in line w/ other ships of it's type. Sp while I'm obviously concerned my hope is that they do the same w/ Fleet Ships, Flagships and LB ships.
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2nd. This would be the best time to bring back topic of the typhoon and jupiter class ships which said was to be added are we going to see them released soon here.
The new ships are supposed to be a new class. Captain Geko has said in the past that they are working on giving us control of multiple ships. Maybe the new ships are Command ships with +1 console +10% shields/hull. They could have tac, eng, and sci variants, but the t6 ships would be command ships meaning they would have "powers" that would let us control other ships on our fleet.
Just speculation until we get some more dev blogs. I am perpaired to be 100% wrong.
Thats the problem, you believe everything they say. I dont think this is going to happen EVER. And i dont care what captain geko said lol. I just look at the facts.
They already nixed that in the one thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1185191
OMG dude, can you ever read a full post...
aww see thanks for the info
I still wonder what the new "class" will be?
Second - "Competitive" and "Obsolete" are subjective terms. I flew for the longest time in my T5 straight-up L40 Luna, even though there were the +1s and the .5s (fleet grade) birds and felt that the 10% hull and shield weren't, at the time, worth $25 or $50. And yet, I never lost an E-STF because of lacking that "fleet grade" kit...
However, for the average PvPer, that 10/10% is one volley's worth of damage, and in an dead-equal in every other aspect match, the difference. Therefore, any ship that does not have those levels of tolerance is suddenly "obsolete"...
Details necessary as to how this is gonna pan out...
Also, how does these "new BOffs" fit into the universal BOff slotting scheme? Recluse comes out of mothballs if (as the description implies), I can slot a new style BOff into the slot... And my son's Tal'Shiar Adapted might get it's Cmdr Uni re-examined...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
As my fleeties and I have discussed, this expansion will be a make or break moment for STO. And while story content, leveling experience, etc. will play a role in deciding which of those two sides STO heads towards, the real determining factor will be how the devs handle stuff players have purchased with large sums of dil and/or Zen. If those items remain truly competitive, this expansion might just make STO great. If those items are "competitive" but don't really hold up (meaning all that dil and Zen just went down the drain), then this expansion could very well be STO's death knell.
It's a delicate balancing act raising the level cap at this point. So many Mk XII and T5 items have come out that cost lots of dil and Zen. It will all be about striking the right cord with people who have invested heavily in the current system.
I keep coming back to the Apple Iphone example as it is widely known.
Soon Apple will release the Iphone 6 - for another $500 to $800 US
Will it be better/faster/more features than the Iphone 5 from last year - yes
So now lets use some of the Dev's terms when talking about the older ships:
Will the Iphone 5 still be "viable" for all content that it encounters - yes
Will the Iphone 5 still be "competitive" with the Iphone 6 in the content available - yes but slightly less competitive.
Will the Iphone 5 still be "useful" when the Iphone 6 is released - yes
Will the Iphone 5 be "Obsolete" by the new Iphone 6 - no - it will still be fast and overpowered for most people's everyday use.
So the Iphone 5 won't have all the extra 5-7% power upgrade of the Iphone 6 - the screen maybe smaller, and it may have a lower quality camera - by all reasonable standards the Iphone 5 will still be viable/competitive/useful
Yet you will see MILLIONS of people line up to spend another $500-$800 US only 1 year after spending $500 - $800 US for a phone which is only marginal better than the one they have.
So how is releasing a more powerful class of ship any different then what apple does? It's strange that when Apple does this every few months people are not that upset that their $800 phone just became "obsolete"
I am not supporting Cryptic's plan - just making an observation.
RA 9 Console
2000 ZEN 9 Console
2500 ZEN 10 Console
Fleet 10 Console
Lock Box 10 Console
Lobi 10 Console
They're all T5 boats.
So T6 boats come out...which T5 boats are Cryptic comparing the T6 boats to while saying they will still be useful/competitive? Cause some would say that the RA 9 Console and even the 2000 ZEN 9 Console are not useful/competitive to the various 10 Console boats.
There's 6 tiers of "power" there at T5. Each a little one, if one looks at it in terms of the incremental increase...but much different when one compares the Lobi to the RA boat.
What kind of step will going to T6 involve...that little incremental step as seen with the T5 boats? Or more along the lines of where some folks think there already are T6 boats compared to T5 boats in the T5 group?
Since Geko's spearheading this, there will likely be a T6 EXCELSIOR available.
But everything else? Well it will go like this:
1- Posters will make threads.
2- Geko will ignore the threads.
3- Geko will toss out some offhand remark in a podcast about how it's all just posters whining and complaining.
4- The T6 SHIP threads will be frowned upon by Geko so he'll mention it to Trendy or Smirk.
5- They'll then send out emails to the mods who will add it to the FCT list and then the issue will finally be resolved by essentially deleting any and all further discussion on the topic.
Five easy steps.
Well if you follow the business plan like apple - you make the next line just a bit better than the one before - so that people feel they need to "upgrade" to the new level.
I know my example takes a real world "Physical" item and compares it to a "virtual" item - but they do the same thing - small increases in power/features in each generation.
I would argue that Apple is much worse - they seem to only do tiny changes every year simply so they can keep coming out with a newer/better phone like clockwork. At least this change by Cryptic has not been as drastic since the move to the 10 console Mark 11/12 from 2 1/2 years ago.
Like I said - I have a LOT of ships - some people are talking about their one of 2 Oddys - well this is what I have in T5:
Fed:
Oddy 3 pack
Vesta 3 pack
Nebula retrofit (plus 2 toons with Fleet)
Excel Retrofit (plus 2 toons with fleet)
Defiant Retrofit (plus 1 toon with Fleet)
Avenger (plus 1 toon with Fleet)
MVAM (plus 1 toon with Fleet)
Intrepid Retrofit
Total Fed T5 : 12 + 7 fleet
KDF:
Mogh (plus 1 toon Fleet)
B'rel Refit (plus 3 toons fleet)
Total KDF T5 - 2 + 4 fleet
Romulan:
Scimitar 3 pack
D'Deridex (plus 2 toons fleet)
Mogai Retrofit (plus 1 toon fleet)
T'Varo Retrofit (plus 2 toons Fleet)
Total Romulan T5 - 6 + 5 fleet
Total T5 ships - 20 - plus total fleet ships 16 (and I am sure I am missing a few)
And I have 15 Lock box ships that are un-opened - but rapidly losing value.
So this topic does effect me a little. But in the end - it's not unexpected.
I can't remember if I actually posted it in one of the threads or if I got ticked off, went to smoke, and forgot about it or not.
A new tier isn't what bothers me...not so much. This isn't my first MMO...this isn't even my 20th MMO in the past almost 17 years of playing them.
I'm very much used to the 1-2 years of spending $200-400+ only to have to do that again and again...er...and again, etc, etc, etc.
Somebody that bought a T4 Mogai for 1500 ZEN still had to pay 2000 ZEN for their T5 Mogai and if they wanted the 10th console they dropped out another 500 ZEN...so if there is a T6 Mogai; there's no reason they shouldn't expect to pay for it as well.
My issue is that there's a bunch of things along those lines that I've been waiting for as KDF ships...and well, if they finally introduce them at the T5 level while there is T6 out there...it's just kind of an epic /facepalm scenario.
Avenger, Gal-X, Mogh, Dyson Destroyers, Freebie Oddy, Vesta science, Mogai and Ak'rif.
Yeah bout what 125 bucks right out the window. Well not surprised. Way of the world.
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FYI this is the second time in the last 24 hours that you've used that same generic dregatory toward your fellow players .
Take a note that this is one reason that you are not only viewed as being on a tall horse, but rather as someone who is perminantly strapped onto one .
Arrogance is not something you can whitewash.
Like Geko's indiscriminate dislike for the STO playrtbase shines through, so does yours.
We don't have the numbers. My guess is that Tribble might be used as a testing ground to get metrics on how many people would switch to T6 and what the gut reaction will be to the upgrades/conversions that occur. I imagine like most companies, Cryptic uses a data driven approach when making decisions that affect the consumers and could adversely affect earnings. It is worth bearing in mind that the forum community only makes up a fraction of the playerbase.
Bottom line: It really doesn't matter terribly what the devs initial thoughts might be; if the data shows that an idea is going to be a money loser then they'll probably tweak it. Anyone who thinks the devs aren't monitoring these feedback and reaction threads should think again. This might not be representative of the entire playerbase, but getting a feel for how a decision might impact consumer spending habits in the game is of great import for PWE/Cryptic.
Exactly. People have beaten the Borg Elite PvE content with the level 40 gained ships and white Mk X equipment. With the optionals. Those ships are still completely 'competitive' in PvE content.
No doubt our current ships decked out with Mk XII gear and/or Fleet/Reputation stuff will be MORE than fine for the new PvE content.
PvP...well, Cryptic has never really cared for the PvP crowd and as such, yeah, you're going to want the absolute brand new/best stuff or else.
Long story short - stop worrying. Your current ships will be JUST FINE for the new PvE stuffs. Cryptic would be absolutely insane to make our current ships just not work anymore.
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Why?
They are supposed to be the brand spanking new top-of-the-line flagships of the fleet, with the most advanced tech to date.
I mean the ol NCC-1701-E was not made obsolete or dated a year after its launch, and by STO's calendar the new flagships were introduced in 2409, and the game is now in 2410.
For once I agree with you. The playerbase isn't dumb. It's conflicting. Everyone wants different things, everyone wants to do things other players don't want, one mans trash is another's treasure yadda yadda yadda. Cryptics job is pleasing as many people as they possibly can.
So far, they haven't been.
Creating more powerful ships without creating more powerful enemies creates a dull game.
I'd rather see my T5 ship become obsolete.
There is only one reason that my KDF T5 ship lineup is not bigger - there are no good ships!! I love the B'rel but it is outclassed now by the T'Varo - so I created a KDF/rommie to fly the Fleet T'Varo (I can still use the Fleet B'rel quite well on a sci toon - but that's about it) I have been eyeing the Guramba for 2 years - it used to be popular in PvP until it was outclassed - with the fleet version I may take another look.
I wonder just how many KDF ships there will be - a new Negh 'var variant would be nice. Maybe a Tier 6 K'Vort class Heavy Bop:eek::P:D
Well, for one thing, you can sell your old iPhone to offset the cost of the new one. Because that iPhone you paid money for, you actually OWN.
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The problem comes with things like Fleet Ships... Many of us spent A LOT of time and resources to get our Fleet Ships because they were the "top of the line". Another appeal of the Fleet Ships was that we could get ANY model we wanted. It was a GREAT way to get the ship you loved with the top of the line stats. Now they'll be obsolete.
The problem also translates to "Flag Ships". Some of us are extremely attached to our Odyssey, Scimitar and Bortasqu'. Now we're being told we'll have to let them go if we want to stay competitive.. That doesn't settle well with me personally.
There are some serious concerns - fleet ships being one - but a even bigger issue it the extremely costly Lock - box and Lobi ships - how will they be treated considering a new lock box is sure to come out at the same time as the Expansion. So will the new lock box ship be Tier 6 and the old ones t.5++ something?
Excellent point, especially considering that some people, like my husband, spent well over $200 to get their ONE LB ship...
And that's the type of thing that will kill them. Absolutely kill Cryptic.
They instituted this lottery lockbox thing years ago with Free to Play. And have used to generate profits.
But if they essentially downgrade all of those purchases with their new tier of ships, they will severely damage their loyal customers. Not their ranting raving forum whiners that they dismiss in podcasts. Their bread and butter customers who loyally hand money over to play their luck at their lottery.
Because no one's going to pay those prices for something that runs the risk of becoming obsolete like that.
It's a bad business model. People will stop paying money for those things.
The well will start to run dry.
*raises hand*
One thing I've learned from experience is that the team does listen to our feedback. A perfect example was when they upgraded the Galaxy X and brought it in line w/ other ships of it's type. Sp while I'm obviously concerned my hope is that they do the same w/ Fleet Ships, Flagships and LB ships.