I understand that, which brings me to my first question - what the frak do people do with all those ships? I mean, currently I'm bored out of my mind. What could possibly motivate me to spend more $ on yet another ship to do the same boring content with?
Is it that the players of STO are really that shallow and the vast majority will just buy ships for the sake of it, even if they don't use them, or is it because that Cryptic has pretty much completely stopped producing anything else besides ships to buy?
Well, most people are shallow, not just most STO players. That's the market that this game is catered towards.
I don't buy every new ship that comes out because most of the time, I'm happy with the ships I've got already. But I'm not the market Cryptic is catering for. I know some guys who open up a ton of lock boxes to get the new shiny. Part of it is psychology, they have to keep up with the Jones next door (or solar system, in STO I guess). Someone flies these lock box ships after all. Some of it is 'I gotta have them all' too. It's not just one ship they want but as many as they can have and swap between them to keep things 'fresh'.
I understand that, which brings me to my first question - what the frak do people do with all those ships? I mean, currently I'm bored out of my mind. What could possibly motivate me to spend more $ on yet another ship to do the same boring content with?
Is it that the players of STO are really that shallow and the vast majority will just buy ships for the sake of it, even if they don't use them, or is it because that Cryptic has pretty much completely stopped producing anything else besides ships to buy?
Well if you listen to the link I posted for a few minutes in and do this a couple of times, you will get the distinct impression that they are doing something with all the old ships. He talks about updating old ships, converting them from one "branch" to another and several other things to lead one to believe there is a major overhaul being done.
The question is - what are they doing with the old ships? Are they launching a T6 level and bumping all the old ships up? Are they adding a way to use the crafting system to "upgrade" your old ships? Or is this the often talked about way to "Command" all your ships currently sitting in space dock?
The more you listen to what he says - the more you will get the feeling they are doing something massive to the ship line-up.
I really suspect we are getting a upgrade to T6 and all the old ships are being fitted for this move up. I also would like to believe the reason they are doing this is to add in the adm ship commanding mechanic - so you will be able to "use" a lot more of the ships that you bought.
Since I have about 40 C-store ships -this would be a nice thing
Highly doubt there will be a new faction... X2 is going to the Delta Quadrant, so adding a Cardassian faction would be odd timing (seems more likely for the Gamma Quadrant). I doubt even more that they would EVER add a Lib-Borg faction, since this is a large draw for LTS-ers.
As for T6 ships, I say no... it's possible, but a ton of people on here say it won't happen (plus, I believe the T6 ship idea was shot down by the devs, at one point).
So, what ships will be available? My guesses:
Kazon ships (my hope for KDFers... fighter, cruiser, shuttle... maybe just a lock box)
Krenim ships (my bet for the next lock box!)
Vidian ships (rolled into Rom faction?)
Dauntless-class
Constellation-class
Admiral Janeway's shuttle
remastered Vesta
remastered Intrepid
remastered Nebula
remastered Negh'Var
And, my hope is that all factions will each get a few new 2410 ships. The Roms want a carrier, so that would make sense.
Don't forget the remastered Galaxy! The lone tactical boff will probably be upgraded to a universal. Still three engineering boffs though :P
I understand that, which brings me to my first question - what the frak do people do with all those ships? I mean, currently I'm bored out of my mind. What could possibly motivate me to spend more $ on yet another ship to do the same boring content with?
The B'rel and the Bortasqu' are totally different, dont you agree? And they have to be used differently in different kinds of content as well--a B'rel has to be handled differently in Cure than it is used in Crystaline. So having different ships provides access to different playstyles, and (to me) it keeps the game interesting.
The way I see it there are 5 distinguishable ship categories, which are fast attack ships, escort defender, heavy destroyer/battlecruiser, aoe cruiser, carrier/command ship. There are different flavors of those, such as science destroyer, or battlecloaking command ship. Lot of squares on the grid when you get into it, you dont have to fill every box but there are a lot of different ways to play that you can choose from without being vain or having some kind of mental disorder.
F*ck Al Rivera. I lost any respect I had for him when he waved away everybody and his second cousin telling him in gory detail why the Doff UI was TRIBBLE as "rants with no specific feedback". Anything he has to say officially has zero merit anymore.
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F*ck Al Rivera. I lost any respect I had for him when he waved away everybody and his second cousin telling him in gory detail why he was full of TRIBBLE as "rants with no specific feedback". Anything he has to say officially has zero merit anymore.
Well you might be happy to know that he hints that the Galaxy is one ship which is being "updated/changed" again in the upcoming expansion. He says that they decided to hold off on the Fleet Guramba when they finished the Galaxy and realized they would have to do it "twice" for the expansion. So that Galaxy is getting another change - whatever this super update to the ship line-up is.
F*ck Al Rivera. I lost any respect I had for him when he waved away everybody and his second cousin telling him in gory detail why the Doff UI was TRIBBLE as "rants with no specific feedback". Anything he has to say officially has zero merit anymore.
Well put!
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F*ck Al Rivera. I lost any respect I had for him when he waved away everybody and his second cousin telling him in gory detail why the Doff UI was TRIBBLE as "rants with no specific feedback". Anything he has to say officially has zero merit anymore.
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I remember a interveiw along time ago in a galaxy far far away when one of the dev said if they do T6 ships they would probably do it so u can up grade T5 ships though crafting so i expect u hace to buy something from the C-store then do some time gated TRIBBLE of a grind.
I remember a interveiw along time ago in a galaxy far far away when one of the dev said if they do T6 ships they would probably do it so u can up grade T5 ships though crafting so i expect u hace to buy something from the C-store then do some time gated TRIBBLE of a grind.
That would be the worst case scenario.
If they make me use the crafting system to upgrade my ship to T6 that'd be the last straw. I am waiting for Cryptic to redeem themselves. They have to come up with something great to convince me again this game is worth it.
I would say its more than likely new npc ships (rumor is we are going to get a whole slew of new delta quadrant races)...
that and he was saying they were going to work on getting more canon ships into game (ie, the comments about the constellation, the dauntless, the wolf 359 ships and what not)..
also, they will probably roll another lock box out when the x pac hits..
and with an xpac, they probably want to add some new veriety into the ship pool..
in all respects we will probably not see a new teir of ship.. since it has been said we wouldn't see one.. when they talked about crafting upgrading t5's to 6's it was more them brain storming how to make it work.. but it has been said by al, stahl, and a few other devs that t6 wasn't in the cards for multiple reasons..
and the comment about power creep soon being axed, well, adding more consoles and weapons and hull and shields just doesn't seem like it would help that all that much..
and we already know they said x pac two will not have another faction... that was tweeted by a dev a while back..
And what exactly are we going to do with all these ships? Play the same old queued missions. No thanks. Unless Geko revamps Intrepid and Galaxy the right way, I am not interested in some unholy Cryptic creation!
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F*ck Al Rivera. I lost any respect I had for him when he waved away everybody and his second cousin telling him in gory detail why the Doff UI was TRIBBLE as "rants with no specific feedback". Anything he has to say officially has zero merit anymore.
For everybody commenting about Mr. Rivera - please keep it civil - if you want to bash him -go do it somewhere else.
I am not saying that his comments didn't seem a little out of touch with what was going on, but these types of comments only re-enforce his feeling of not bothering to come to the forums at all and are not helpful.
For everybody commenting about Mr. Rivera - please keep it civil - if you want to bash him -go do it somewhere else.
Thx
This is about as civil as it gets considering the content of Mr. Rivera's feedback:
I lost any respect I had for him when he waved away everybody and his second cousin telling him in gory detail why the Doff UI was TRIBBLE as "rants with no specific feedback". Anything he has to say officially has zero merit anymore.
That work for you?
I am not saying that his comments didn't seem a little out of touch with what was going on, but these types of comments only re-enforce his feeling of not bothering to come to the forums at all and are not helpful.
I wouldn't worry. He never came to the fourms much at all to begin with. This feedback to his feedback is really about his rather unprofessional tactic of running to podcasts to provide feedback in an unofficial and off the record manner that really only builds the kind of animosity that we're already seeing.
In short, Mr. Rivera's PR tactics have pretty much been a wild success. They're doing exactly what that kind of behavior is supposed to do.
Hey ship artists stop designing ships and fix them bugs.
Hmmm...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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This is about as civil as it gets considering the content of Mr. Rivera's feedback:
That work for you?
I wouldn't worry. He never came to the fourms much at all to begin with. This feedback to his feedback is really about his rather unprofessional tactic of running to podcasts to provide feedback in an unofficial and off the record manner that really only builds the kind of animosity that we're already seeing.
In short, Mr. Rivera's PR tactics have pretty much been a wild success. They're doing exactly what that kind of behavior is supposed to do.
Well fine - I just would have left out the profanity. That issue aside, this thread is about what they could be doing with the ship line-up/future ships and not his comments about the crafting/doff UI.
Even though Al is not the EP - this game is for all intents and purposes "Al Rivera's Star Trek Online" - He runs most of the show. So if he says that a lot of ships are coming, then it is probably true.
Despite what anyone thinks of his "tactics", one thing he rarely does is say stuff that he does not believe or is total BS - which Stahl used to do all the time.
Sure he is not like a smooth operating politician telling people what they want to hear - he tells you things the way they are/or are going to be- even if players don't like it. So in that regard, his comments about lots of new ships coming and lots of changes happening to the existing ships - bares particular attention.
So that is what this thread is about - what are they doing with the existing ships and what new stuff might be coming.
Metric ton of new ships...
I think Kazon, Molon, Vaadwaur, the Hierarchy and other junk collectors which you can destroy in DQ4
At least Cpt.Geko confirmed 5fore weapon raptor and fleet guramba for KDF, if it was not his usual trolling.
I'd rather pay $20 for a new featured episode series. I'd rather pay $40 or more for an expansion pack with a ton of new episodes and an exploration revamp. But they don't think about 'content' in those terms.
No, they think about it terms of "$0 for a ton of new episodes (LoR), $$$ for the tangential stuff."
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The B'rel and the Bortasqu' are totally different, dont you agree? And they have to be used differently in different kinds of content as well--a B'rel has to be handled differently in Cure than it is used in Crystaline. So having different ships provides access to different playstyles, and (to me) it keeps the game interesting.
The way I see it there are 5 distinguishable ship categories, which are fast attack ships, escort defender, heavy destroyer/battlecruiser, aoe cruiser, carrier/command ship. There are different flavors of those, such as science destroyer, or battlecloaking command ship. Lot of squares on the grid when you get into it, you dont have to fill every box but there are a lot of different ways to play that you can choose from without being vain or having some kind of mental disorder.
Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those people that has quite a lot of ships. I completely understand what you're saying about the different playsyles and such. However, it comes to a point where you're covered (at least I feel I am) and don't really have any necessity in terms of varying playstyles and such to purchase more ships.
Which brings me to my previous point - besides the need to fill a few gaps in the KDF and RR lineup, there are already a crapload of ships in the game. Ships have been like half of the content provided since STO went F2P. And now, what could be probably another crapload or a "metric ton" :rolleyes: has been prodly announced. So it obviously sells.
And I wonder, to what point? They keep telling us that the STO playerbase is 'casual', I really can't see a casual player be so interested in owning every single ship in the game. To really feel the need of such vast amount of ships and still keep asking for more, one needs to either live in STO or have at least a minor case of OCD. Note that I'm really not trying to insult anyone here, I'm just genuinely suprised that the demand for more and more ships just keeps going stronger, to the extent of them feeling the need and profitability to release another "metric ton", while much other stuff gets neglected.
Well fine - I just would have left out the profanity.
Me too. And I understand that. But I guess my point that I was trying to make was after the profanity the poster gave some meaningful feedback. And that speaks to the larger point about Rivera ignoring feedback. He'd see the profanity, his feelings would be hurt and he'd ignore the rest of it.
Which speaks more to him than it does to the customer.
Ignore the profanity. And look at the rest of the criticism. It's what I was taught waaaaaaay back in school when my art teacher had me pin up my pictures for group critique.
People will say mean and harsh things. But professionals cut past that and get to the heart of the feedback process.
I find it rather surprising that professional game developers have thinner skin than professional illustrators.
So I don't know. I guess I get tired of the whole "Leave Britney Alone" vibe that comes out of Cryptic when it comes to their thin skin in the entire feedback process.
Even though Al is not the EP - this game is for all intents and purposes "Al Rivera's Star Trek Online" - He runs most of the show. So if he says that a lot of ships are coming, then it is probably true.
Eh, he's had a stranglehold on ship layout design since the beginning. And his track record is specious when it comes to this kind of thing. The Andorian ship is a prime example. He said it was coming. And it took quite a bit of time for it to come. So people are hesitant to trust what he says about what is coming and when it is coming.
In any event, I gave up on him ages ago. His work speaks for itself. It's not that good.
This is why I think Al was not exaggerating or talking about "npc" ships in the "a lot of ships" link that I posted in the OP.
Ships make them a LOT of money. The LoR expansion had a LOT of ships and made them a LOT of money. I am sure that they are under pressure to do a repeat of LoR's success. So I suspect that Mr Rivera is not exaggerating when he says they are working on a "LOT" of (playable) ships.
The problem with releasing a ton of ships in one big release could be that the market will be satiated. You can't play more than one ship at a time per character - it's a bit pointless to buy 3 at once for the same char. But if you lose the initial excitement and attention of a new ship, you risk that people won't actually buy as many per ship as they used to with a staggered release.
So it seems it could be another gamble, and I see a potential for it backfiring. I could be wrong, of course.
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Well you might be happy to know that he hints that the Galaxy is one ship which is being "updated/changed" again in the upcoming expansion. He says that they decided to hold off on the Fleet Guramba when they finished the Galaxy and realized they would have to do it "twice" for the expansion. So that Galaxy is getting another change - whatever this super update to the ship line-up is.
You may be overestimating the meaning of what he said. It sounded to me as their problem is more like that they can't simply import ship data from one branch to another. Whatever process they have for creating or adjusting a ship (and testing these changes), they would have to do it twice. That doesn't necessarily mean the ship actually changes.
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I'd like to see more Orion Ships, inclusing the Slaver, Interceptor, and Maurading Force Shuttle converted into playable small craft.
Absolutely. It's a real shame about all the npc Orion, Nausicaan, and Gorn ships and shuttles that Cryptic have not made useable by the KDF. The fact that there's only one Gorn/Nausicann/Orion ship flyable at fleet level is pretty unfortunate too.
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I don't buy every new ship that comes out because most of the time, I'm happy with the ships I've got already. But I'm not the market Cryptic is catering for. I know some guys who open up a ton of lock boxes to get the new shiny. Part of it is psychology, they have to keep up with the Jones next door (or solar system, in STO I guess). Someone flies these lock box ships after all. Some of it is 'I gotta have them all' too. It's not just one ship they want but as many as they can have and swap between them to keep things 'fresh'.
Well if you listen to the link I posted for a few minutes in and do this a couple of times, you will get the distinct impression that they are doing something with all the old ships. He talks about updating old ships, converting them from one "branch" to another and several other things to lead one to believe there is a major overhaul being done.
The question is - what are they doing with the old ships? Are they launching a T6 level and bumping all the old ships up? Are they adding a way to use the crafting system to "upgrade" your old ships? Or is this the often talked about way to "Command" all your ships currently sitting in space dock?
The more you listen to what he says - the more you will get the feeling they are doing something massive to the ship line-up.
I really suspect we are getting a upgrade to T6 and all the old ships are being fitted for this move up. I also would like to believe the reason they are doing this is to add in the adm ship commanding mechanic - so you will be able to "use" a lot more of the ships that you bought.
Since I have about 40 C-store ships -this would be a nice thing
Don't forget the remastered Galaxy! The lone tactical boff will probably be upgraded to a universal. Still three engineering boffs though :P
The way I see it there are 5 distinguishable ship categories, which are fast attack ships, escort defender, heavy destroyer/battlecruiser, aoe cruiser, carrier/command ship. There are different flavors of those, such as science destroyer, or battlecloaking command ship. Lot of squares on the grid when you get into it, you dont have to fill every box but there are a lot of different ways to play that you can choose from without being vain or having some kind of mental disorder.
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Well you might be happy to know that he hints that the Galaxy is one ship which is being "updated/changed" again in the upcoming expansion. He says that they decided to hold off on the Fleet Guramba when they finished the Galaxy and realized they would have to do it "twice" for the expansion. So that Galaxy is getting another change - whatever this super update to the ship line-up is.
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That would be the worst case scenario.
If they make me use the crafting system to upgrade my ship to T6 that'd be the last straw. I am waiting for Cryptic to redeem themselves. They have to come up with something great to convince me again this game is worth it.
Because all devs can do any job.... Perhaps the correct people are working on the bugs?
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that and he was saying they were going to work on getting more canon ships into game (ie, the comments about the constellation, the dauntless, the wolf 359 ships and what not)..
also, they will probably roll another lock box out when the x pac hits..
and with an xpac, they probably want to add some new veriety into the ship pool..
in all respects we will probably not see a new teir of ship.. since it has been said we wouldn't see one.. when they talked about crafting upgrading t5's to 6's it was more them brain storming how to make it work.. but it has been said by al, stahl, and a few other devs that t6 wasn't in the cards for multiple reasons..
and the comment about power creep soon being axed, well, adding more consoles and weapons and hull and shields just doesn't seem like it would help that all that much..
and we already know they said x pac two will not have another faction... that was tweeted by a dev a while back..
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For everybody commenting about Mr. Rivera - please keep it civil - if you want to bash him -go do it somewhere else.
I am not saying that his comments didn't seem a little out of touch with what was going on, but these types of comments only re-enforce his feeling of not bothering to come to the forums at all and are not helpful.
Thx
This is about as civil as it gets considering the content of Mr. Rivera's feedback:
That work for you?
I wouldn't worry. He never came to the fourms much at all to begin with. This feedback to his feedback is really about his rather unprofessional tactic of running to podcasts to provide feedback in an unofficial and off the record manner that really only builds the kind of animosity that we're already seeing.
In short, Mr. Rivera's PR tactics have pretty much been a wild success. They're doing exactly what that kind of behavior is supposed to do.
Hmmm...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Well fine - I just would have left out the profanity. That issue aside, this thread is about what they could be doing with the ship line-up/future ships and not his comments about the crafting/doff UI.
Even though Al is not the EP - this game is for all intents and purposes "Al Rivera's Star Trek Online" - He runs most of the show. So if he says that a lot of ships are coming, then it is probably true.
Despite what anyone thinks of his "tactics", one thing he rarely does is say stuff that he does not believe or is total BS - which Stahl used to do all the time.
Sure he is not like a smooth operating politician telling people what they want to hear - he tells you things the way they are/or are going to be- even if players don't like it. So in that regard, his comments about lots of new ships coming and lots of changes happening to the existing ships - bares particular attention.
So that is what this thread is about - what are they doing with the existing ships and what new stuff might be coming.
I think Kazon, Molon, Vaadwaur, the Hierarchy and other junk collectors which you can destroy in DQ4
At least Cpt.Geko confirmed 5fore weapon raptor and fleet guramba for KDF, if it was not his usual trolling.
No, they think about it terms of "$0 for a ton of new episodes (LoR), $$$ for the tangential stuff."
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Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those people that has quite a lot of ships. I completely understand what you're saying about the different playsyles and such. However, it comes to a point where you're covered (at least I feel I am) and don't really have any necessity in terms of varying playstyles and such to purchase more ships.
Which brings me to my previous point - besides the need to fill a few gaps in the KDF and RR lineup, there are already a crapload of ships in the game. Ships have been like half of the content provided since STO went F2P. And now, what could be probably another crapload or a "metric ton" :rolleyes: has been prodly announced. So it obviously sells.
And I wonder, to what point? They keep telling us that the STO playerbase is 'casual', I really can't see a casual player be so interested in owning every single ship in the game. To really feel the need of such vast amount of ships and still keep asking for more, one needs to either live in STO or have at least a minor case of OCD. Note that I'm really not trying to insult anyone here, I'm just genuinely suprised that the demand for more and more ships just keeps going stronger, to the extent of them feeling the need and profitability to release another "metric ton", while much other stuff gets neglected.
possibly a romulan ship (sci?)
very slim chance of an engi-focused kdf cruiser.
i will take that bet.
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Me too. And I understand that. But I guess my point that I was trying to make was after the profanity the poster gave some meaningful feedback. And that speaks to the larger point about Rivera ignoring feedback. He'd see the profanity, his feelings would be hurt and he'd ignore the rest of it.
Which speaks more to him than it does to the customer.
Ignore the profanity. And look at the rest of the criticism. It's what I was taught waaaaaaay back in school when my art teacher had me pin up my pictures for group critique.
People will say mean and harsh things. But professionals cut past that and get to the heart of the feedback process.
I find it rather surprising that professional game developers have thinner skin than professional illustrators.
So I don't know. I guess I get tired of the whole "Leave Britney Alone" vibe that comes out of Cryptic when it comes to their thin skin in the entire feedback process.
Eh, he's had a stranglehold on ship layout design since the beginning. And his track record is specious when it comes to this kind of thing. The Andorian ship is a prime example. He said it was coming. And it took quite a bit of time for it to come. So people are hesitant to trust what he says about what is coming and when it is coming.
In any event, I gave up on him ages ago. His work speaks for itself. It's not that good.
The problem with releasing a ton of ships in one big release could be that the market will be satiated. You can't play more than one ship at a time per character - it's a bit pointless to buy 3 at once for the same char. But if you lose the initial excitement and attention of a new ship, you risk that people won't actually buy as many per ship as they used to with a staggered release.
So it seems it could be another gamble, and I see a potential for it backfiring. I could be wrong, of course.
You may be overestimating the meaning of what he said. It sounded to me as their problem is more like that they can't simply import ship data from one branch to another. Whatever process they have for creating or adjusting a ship (and testing these changes), they would have to do it twice. That doesn't necessarily mean the ship actually changes.