Starships: Model errors and feedback, 2410 edition

whatinblueblazes

In the vein of Lord Havelock's outstanding tailor and costume issues thread, I humbly offer to compile and curate a similar list of ship costume issues. In this post, and the posts below, let's list and document all bugs, glitches, and problems pertaining to ship costumes and models. This includes models from launch that aren't quite up to par with the present level of model quality.

As our ship artist friend crypticquack said of such a list,

crypticquack wrote: »

Yes it would help a ton! Our list is hobbled together from posts or years time, and has been touched by many people, so it isn't the best organized. In fact one of my current priorities is to find time to organize our ship bugs into an easy to read list...The sticky thread of ship errors is a great start.

Unfortunately the awesome (formerly) sticky thread in question is nearly four years old, and has been archived. It therefore cannot be updated in a concise way. Full credit goes to all those who worked on the original thread. It was created by Angelsilhouette, and its predecessor was created by Jes. This thread stands on the shoulders of giants, as this work would be impossible without them. I will port relevant information over from that thread as efficiently as possible.

And as Lord Havelock himself asked in his great thread, let's abide by a few simple rules in this thread:

lordhavelock wrote: »

Please keep it civil and above all, on topic. This is not a complaint thread, it's about working with the Devs to get things fixed. Also, please DO NOT include the pictures directly in the thread, just post links to your photos. Too many photos makes the thread hard to read (especially when people start quoting/re-posting the pix).

So here we go, with the 2410 edition. I'll update this post, and the posts that follow, with information that comes in. FULL CREDIT GOES TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS:

Great visual reference materials from amosov78: Physical Models 1, 2 Drex Files archives 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Federation Ship Model Feedback

Tier 1:

Classic Constitution (appearance in game and on screen) (CGI Reference) (Physical Reference)

• BUG? Ventral, dorsal, and aft sensor domes are not illuminated as shown here
• Windows on model do not align with canon model
• Hull material does not match canon vessel

Miranda and variants (Reference shots: Miranda, Centaur

• Outer nacelle grilles are lit in-game, but not consistently in canon. Add an option, like the Excelsior?

NX Replica

• BUG Escape pods are too bright or lack textures
• MODEL ERROR: Asymmetrical and missing floodlights on dorsal hull
• MODEL ERROR: Ventral saucer registry overlaps navigational beacons

Steamrunner

Tier 2:

Cruiser (Constitution refit and variants. CGI Reference , Filming Model Reference)

• MODEL ERROR: Nacelle Pylons are asymmetrical
• Nacelles should not have inboard aft fins
• Saucer has two window lines on side, not one. Missing recreation deck on right back of saucer rim as well
• Arboretum windows on sides of engineering hull missing
• Saucer should only have windows on 1st tier of bridge superstructure, ventral windows are wrong
• Strongback paint missing on all materials: 1 2
• Missing VIP lounge aft of bridge superstructure
• Shuttle Bay Doors are dome shaped like TOS, not cone shaped like TMP Canon. Red upper lights missing.
• Outer nacelle grilles are supposed to be unlit. Maybe add an option?
• Remove phaser strips and replace with standard emitter banks

Science Vessel (Nova and variants) (References: Nova, Rhode Island)

• BUG? Rhode Island class does not have access to Type 6 hull material
• The Aurora, Quasar, Nova, and Rhode Island are sorely in need of model and texture work
• Nova is missing a number of windows that appear on the canon model
• Various aft details could use tweaking
• Overall low model quality does not reflect the sleek lines of the canon ship
• Deflector dishes should reflect the Intrepid style: a rust-colored plate with the deflector glow around that

Escort (Saber and variants)

• BUG Impulse glow errors: 1, 2
• BUG Impulse engines glow through the hull
• MODEL ERROR: Rapier hull: windows obscured by bulky and nonsensical weapon hardpoints
• The Gladius hull has M.C. Escher inspired aft-facing slanted windows on the wings that make no sense

Tier 3:

Heavy Cruiser (Cheyenne and variants) (Cheyenne model reference)

• Stargazer and Dakota do not have properly mirrored lower nacelles; should they be flipped vertically?
• Cheyenne nacelles are a bit longer than on the canon model
• As with most game launch models, these could use some love

Research Science Vessel (Olympus and variants) (Reference shot), great gallery of reference shots at Trekcore

• Olympic in-game doesn't resemble canon Olympic aside from very rough shape
• Side-by-side Comparison reveals the extent of the differences between the two
• Nacelles need to be shortened and reshaped to have a rounded rectangle cross-section
• Warp pylons should be slimmer and more angular, attaching to the secondary hull only
• Secondary hull needs to be entirely reshaped to be simpler and more planar, with a less jagged profile
• Primary hull shape needs to be smoothed, with the lower bank of forward windows added
• Optional medical insignia and fleet pennants would be a great touch

Heavy Escort (Akira and variants)

• MODEL ERROR: Oslo pylon does not attach to Zephyr nacelle, causing clipping issues
• MODEL ERROR Thunderchild phaser arrays overlap escape pods
• BUG Oslo: all rear turrets fire from port hardpoint
• Oslo and Zephyr are missing shuttlebays and phaser strips are incorrect or missing
• STATUS: Akira model fully updated! Looks awesome!!! Thank you!

Tier 4:

Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy and variants) (References: in game, canon 1 2)

• HIDEOUS Envoy Class model is an unholy abomination of twisted style and low-poly modeling
• MODEL ERROR Celestial name and registry obscure windows on the primary hull
• MODEL ERRORS The Venture's saucer is misaligned, among other issues
• BUG The Venture is missing windows from an arc of the starboard aft ventral section of the saucer.
• BUG The Galaxy hull and Monarch Neck (and presumably vice versa) leave gaps when combined
• The Venture saucer's dorsal surface has many windows that do not correctly match the ellipse of the hull
• STATUS: Galaxy model fully updated! Looks GREAT!!! Thank you!

Long Range Science Vessel (Intrepid and variants) (Model References)

• BUG Extra impulse engines on Bellerophon saucer have no trails
• BUG Extra impulse engines on Bellerophon saucer are used as weapons hardpoints
• BUG Discovery hull cuts off long ship names, has model issues 1, 2
• BUG Discovery and Cochrane class ships are missing impulse trails for saucer-mounted impulse engines
• MODEL ERROR Window texture on the upper aft saucer is too dense. Tiny windows are tiny.
• Discovery and Cochrane torpedo launchers are an accident waiting to happen
• Cochrane has no visible shuttle bay
• STATUS: Intrepid model fully updated! as shown here and discussed here

Tactical Escort (Defiant and variants)

• MODEL ERROR Defiant: texture error on Defiant-type port nacelle
• Shape of in-game model is fairly different from canon model (comparisons 1 2)
• Nacelles and forward nose section should be realigned to be less angled from hull
• In-game model lacks a name/registry spotlight
• Highly distorted/laughably tiny ship name and registry on Sao Paulo
• Status: Upgrade Complete to Gallant and Vigilant classes. Looks great!

Tier 5:

Assault Cruiser (Sovereign and variants) (Sovereign Filming Model Reference, Nemesis CGI Model Reference)

• BUG The Regent port nacelle will sometimes be stuck with the Type 6 hull material
• MODEL ERROR The underside of the Sovereign saucer displays window errors with Type 6 material
• The Sovereign, Imperial, Noble, and Majestic models could all use considerable smoothing/facelifting
• Poorly placed beam hardpoints clip through the hull frequently, do not use all arrays properly
• Regent components do not play well with non-Regent components: 1, 2, 3
• Regent name and registry are way too small, and hence look silly
• The Sovereign's ship name and registry occupies the wrong part of the saucer section
• The Sovereign's deflector could use some tweaking
• The Noble saucer's name and registry is awkwardly placed over a raised hull section, and looks sloppy
• The Noble name and registry are also reversed; the name should appear above the registry
• The Noble and Majestic models are particularly coarse, even blocky. The Sovereign is not much better
• The Noble's aft-firing beam hardpoints all emit from the shuttlebay area, which looks silly

Star Cruiser (Vanguard and variants)

• MODEL ERROR The ship's name and registry are sometimes distorted, sometimes obscured 1 2
• MODEL ERROR Ship's name, registry, and spotlight float kind of high off the hull
• BUG Forward impulse exhausts leave no trails
• Models could use some serious smoothing, particularly in the forward sections

Excelsior (Filming Model Reference)

• A compilation of lighting and texture issues
• MODEL ERROR The nacelles should not have windows, and the aft windows are misaligned
• MODEL ERROR Name obscured by hull material features

Ambassador

• Looks great, but lacks a costume for Andy Probert's gorgeous original Ambassador concept. Drool.

Deep Space Science Vessel (Destiny and variants)

• MODEL ERROR Trident "saucer" windows obscured by destiny hull strips. All "hulls" have crazy looking conning superstructure window textures when using Type 2 windows

Reconnaissance Science Vessel (Luna and variants) (Commentary by Luna class designer) (Reference Images)

• A couple of CGI beauty shots approved by the designer: 1, 2
• In-game sensor pod has an extraneous secondary deflector that shouldn't be there
• The hull texture directly beneath the sensor pod is a rather jarring blank area
• Numerous other small details differ from Tourangeau's original design
• BUG Using the Polaris hull with any non-Polaris pylons reveals a gap between the hull and pylons

Nebula (CGI Reference)

• The in-game model differs from the TNG physical filming model in several details: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
• The in-game model is a pretty faithful recreation of the DS9 Galaxy kitbash version of the Nebula
• The canon Nebula had at least two different pod variants; it would be cool to see more pod options
• b][COLOR="Purple"]OUTDATED[/COLOR][/b The old Galaxy parts are still in use -- any chance of using the new ones?

Advanced Escort (Prometheus and variants) (CGI Reference: on screen, Alpha, Beta, Gamma)

• No warp core ejection ports
• BUG Hull / saucer pattern mismatches
• Missing registry / name on Beta and Gamma sections
• BUG Cerberus: No origin for bow registry light and floating Starfleet pennant
• BUG Hephaestus: Levitating escape pods 1, 2 and missing textures on Gamma section
• BUG The saucer-mounted nacelle behind the bridge seems to be permanently raised now
• BUG There is a mysterious impulse glow at the rear of the primary hull that has no obvious source
• Beta hull missing impulse engines and numerous other details: deflector, torpedo launchers, bridge
• Gamma hull torpedo hardpoint is misplaced, should be in "chin" beneath deflector
• Primary hull torpedo launchers misplaced, aft torpedo launcher misplaced

Patrol Escort (Gryphon and variants)

• BUG When using the Maelstrom hull, the fleet escort's nacelles clip with the saucer
• Maelstrom's mission pod obstructs all escape pods. Do they not have OSHA in the 25th century?
• MODEL ERROR Deflector texture not large enough, gaps showing around the sides
• MODEL ERROR Hermes: Uneven nacelle registries 1 2 and floating registry

whatinblueblazes

Reserved for more Federation model feedback. Aside from the latest and greatest ships, most Federation ships could use a facelift. New models, such as the Command Cruisers and the Yamato, have nice touches such as Starfleet pennants and insignia, as well as overall much higher model and texture quality.

General Federation Ship Issues

Small Craft
Type-8
Type-10
Class F

• Suffers from the same hull material issue as the TOS Constitution -- none of them quite fit properly
• Lacks the prominent single rear impulse engine of the canon shuttle, among other details

Delta
Tal'Kyr Support Craft
Aeon Timeship
Danube

• There is no option to remove the rollbar from the runabout, though the model exists
• Status: Addressed by developers here.

Yellowstone
Captain's Yacht
Peregrine [References: in-game, in canon]

• Low-poly model looks outdated in contrast to newer small craft

Stalker

Endgame Ships
Avenger/Arbiter

• BUG Some saucer windows near the bridge don't de-armor when out of combat
• BUG Misplaced beam hardpoint emits from ship's center, clips hull
• Forward torpedo hardpoints oddly placed in a section with no obvious torpedo structure
• BUG The port-side nacelle doesn't deploy armor properly on the Avenger nacelle.

Odyssey

• BUG When separated, the forward escape pods on the secondary hull (aft of the deflector) get cut off
• When separated, there is no visible battle bridge assembly -- possibly intentional, though
• Not an issue per se, but adding more costume options would be amazing

Chimera/Manticore

• FIXED Warp mode is now fully operational!

Dreadnought Cruiser

• MODEL ERROR The Venture is missing windows from the saucer.
• UPGRADE COMPLETE Looks great! Thank you so much!

Vesta Line (Original Render) (In-Game Render)(Designer's Album)

• Bussard collectors should be red rather than orange and should have frontal caps
• Nacelles should not have registries; replace with tech greeblies and add RCS thrusters
• The grille atop the saucer superstructure should be black with grey outlines, not grey with black outlines

Command Cruisers

• BUG Some nacelles illuminate incorrectly for warp out

Pilot Escorts

Aquarius

• BUG When outside of 6 km - the low LOD model doesn't load, leaving it a white blob
• This occurs with the Aquarius, the Aquarius pet, and the docked Aquarius attached to the Odyssey

Constellation

• MODEL ERROR Impulse engine trails emit from the wrong locations on the model
• FIXED Bussard collectors now come in illuminated and non-illuminated flavors!

Mobius/Wells

Dyson Science Destroyers

D'Kyr

• BUG The ship's warp trails are asymmetrical and therefore illogical

Atrox
Andorian Escorts

whatinblueblazes

Reserved for Klingon model feedback. Many of these, particularly those available at launch, are in very sorry shape. More recent additions, such as the Kamarag, Mogh, and Bortas'qu, look great.

Raiders

B'rel

• BUG Fleet B'rel is missing the Type 3 material and D'Gavama costume, while the retrofit has them
• This is perhaps THE quintessential icon of Klingon ship design. The in-game model doesn't reflect the beauty and deadly grace of the canon version.
• The model lacks many details, including the intricate warp engines of the filming model
• BUG Players who own the B'rotlh cannot use the B'rotlh skin on the new T6 Kor, Fleet T6 Kor, or Fleet T5 B'rel.
• BUG The B'rel engine glow is currently set behind the actual engine housing.

B'rotlh
QulDun
Qaw'Dun
Norgh

• BUG Currently missing all window options, while it used to have them

Ning'tao
Ki'tang
Ch'Tang
Hegh'ta

• BUG Deflector hardpoint is behind the ship's head, when it should be on the nose
• MODEL ERROR Wings are not symmetrical; one is set slightly further into the hull

Hoh'SuS

Raptors
Somraw Raptor
Quorgh Raptor
SuQob
Pach Raptor
Puyjaq
Qin Raptor

Battle Cruisers
K'Tanco
K't'inga (For more detail visit this thread) (Studio Model Reference)

• BUG LOD bug displays low-detail model at close range
• Overall poor model and texture quality, lacking many canon details
• BUG Nacelle glow does not display
• Status: Addressed by developers here

D-7

• Missing a large number of potential costume options

Koro't'inga
Kamarag

• MODEL ERROR Has an errant starboard torpedo launcher, as shown here
• MODEL ERROR Has asymmetrical glow patterns on the neck

Vor'cha Battle Cruiser (Side-by-side Comparison)

• Missing logo on base of wings
• Texture on nacelle plasma vents is poorly implemented
• Angle of logo on the top of wings is facing the wrong direction
• Hull plating does not have the right "feathered" pattern as the studio model does
• The triangular pod on the secondary hull is too rounded; it needs to be more aggressive
• The wings are too straight on the aft side and curve at too shallow of an angle on the fore side.
• The wings should also place the nacelles lower than they currently do

Vor'Kang
Negh'Var (DS9 Model Side-by-side Comparison) (Detailed References)

• BUG Starfleet style escape pods line the keel. No Klingon would flee from battle like a cowardly PetaQ
• BUG When using Qu'Daj wings with Negh'var hull, wing windows are left floating in space
• Missing ENORMOUS WEAPONS PODS on the keel -- these would make a great option
• Hull is not thick enough - the entire vessel should be much taller overall, giving it a far greater height
• Curve of the wings is wrong, it should be straighter at the front
• Wings need to be about twice as thick, see above
• The vertical curve of the wing should be a little less steep -- the studio model is quite planar
• There are three indented squarish-sections (impulse intakes) missing on the front of the wings
• The bulge on the underside of the head section should be thicker and more rounded
• There is an additional box missing from the bulge on the underside of the head
• There is a fore-firing torpedo launcher at the front of each missing weapon pod-- the weapon mount point for the existing forward torpedo launcher should be moved, and should be replaced by one on each of the new weapon pods - the hardpoint currently being used as the launcher is either the main disruptor or a docking probe
• The triangular mission pod at the top-rear of the ship needs to be about twice as big
• Another great side-by-side comparison, with the TNG Model

Tor'Kaht

• MODEL ERROR Mission pod is detached from the hull
• MODEL ERROR Various window errors

Mogh

• BUG Armor plating textures do not load their textures and display as white sometimes
• BUG Turret fire emits from the center of the model, rather than a proper hardpoint

Bortasqu'

• The bridge, as seen from the inside, is located in an area that existed on the Bortas but not on Bortasqu'
• This area was replaced by the bird-of-prey pet on the Bortasqu'

Carriers
Vo'Quv

• BUG Scanning graphic is emitted from the center of the model
• BUG Window styles are not correctly applied; one section is stuck with Type 1 windows no matter what

Kar'Fi

Destroyers
Vandal

• Inappropriate window additions

Scourge

• BUG Currently cannot be customized due to a bug
• BUG Third/upper warp nacelle only produces a warp trail when at slipstream

Guramba

Krenn
Peghqu'

• BUG All veteran ships do not properly appear in warp mode in sector space

Support Vessels
Phalanx
Draguas
Varanus

• MODEL ERROR Windows keep going past the hull on the aft end of the ship
• BUG Windows along the ship's midline do not change in the tailor, as shown here

Nov (Dyson)

• MODEL ERROR There is a gap in the starboard rear section of the hull model

Flight Deck Cruisers
Dacoit
Corsair
Marauder

• MODEL ERROR Window clipping on the ship's port side

Small Craft
Kivra
Toron
DujHod Chariot
To'Duj Fighter
Rozhenko Timeship

whatinblueblazes

Reserved for Romulan model feedback and Non-Aligned model feedback. As these are generally quite new models, they're usually of great quality. This post will also contain General Ship Costume feedback.

Warbirds

T'liss
T'Varo

Dhelan
Dhael

• BUG Angle of ship and engines causes the ship to buggily tilt/flip on warp-out
• Dhael wing aft torpedo launchers are oddly, and unsafely, placed

Mogai

• BUG When defeated, the fleet version does not have a proper death animation. It simply spins until respawn.

Valdore

Ar'Kif/Ar'Kala

• MODEL ERROR When using the Ar'Kala wings with the Ar'Kif hull, you can see through the ship
• BUG Fleet Ar'Kif is missing its fleet skin once modified in the tailor

D'Deridex (Filming Model Reference)

• The area behind the warbird's "chin" is missing a stair step-like feature: 1, 2, 3, 4 (In-game model)
• Beam arrays don't use the hemispherical beam hardpoints from the canon model
• Impulse engines should be in aft structure
• Missing shuttle bay on aft dorsal surface

D'ridthau

Haakona

Scimitar and variants

• Scaled substantially too large 1, 2, 3

Daeinos Heavy Destroyer

• BUG All veteran ships do not properly show their warp mode in sector space

Ha'feh
Ha'apax
Ha'nom

R'Mor
Talvath

Dyson Science Destroyers

Small Craft
Tiercel
Kestrel
Commander's Gig
Scorpion Fighter

Non-Aligned Ships
Breen: Chel Grett, Plesh Brek
Cardassian: Galor
Elachi: Monbosh, S'golth
Hirogen: Apex, Hunter
Ferengi: D'Kora, Na'Far shuttle
Jem'Hadar: Attack Ship, Heavy Escort Carrier, Dreadnought Carrier
Risian: Corvette, Luxury Cruiser
Suliban: Cell Ship
Tal Shiar: Adapted Battle Cruiser, Adapted Destroyer
Tholian: Orb Weaver, Recluse, Widow Fighter
Tuffli Freighter
Undine: Dromias, Nicor
Voth Ships: Bulwark, Bastion, Palisade, Heavy Fighter
Xindi Ships: Aquatic, Reptillian

• BUG Reptillian escort's engine trails are misaligned
• STATUS: Addressed by developers here
• BUG Aquatic frigate pets make no sound when launched from the Aquatic carrier

General Ship Costume Feedback

• BUG Opening a customized ship in the ship tailor, particularly one with Fleet components, can cause the ship to reset to a default template in the tailor.
• An excellent visual guide to bugs with ship costumes, by neok182
• BUG Ship color selection does not properly apply.
• WORKAROUND: Use the randomize button or select a template

valiant797

Since "archived post" doesn't give it away. Angelsilhouette was responsible for the original thread, with Jes creating the one before that.

/end shoutout

p.s. The Research Science Vessel has bugged me since launch. http://i.imgur.com/uXSov.jpg

reximuz

• The Ar'kif/Ar'kala has an error when Using the Ar'kala wings with the Ar'kif hull, there is a spot along the neck that you can see through the ship:

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg487/maximusrex45/arfiferror_zps50c858b3.png~original

• The Fleet Mogai when defeated does not implode into a singularity collapse, nor does it self destruct like a Fed/KDF ship, instead it just rotates in space until you can respawn.

amosov78

To add to the Nebula-class bit, I wouldn't seeing the studio model secondary hull and saucer section added as a variant:

Nebula #1
Nebula #2
Nebula #3
Nebula #4
Nebula #5
Nebula #6

The differences between the studio model Nebula and Galaxy-class saucer section and secondary hull were significant, as seen here:

Galaxy-class references #1
Galaxy-class references #2

Incidentally, updates to the whole Galaxy-class in-game model would be good too.

nikkojt

The Noble-class saucer for the Assault Cruiser has the topside name and registry on the raised section at the front of the hull, which causes it to run off the sides and down the "step" which doesn't look right at all.

Suggested fixes: resize text, or move the name over to one side and the registry to the other.

The Discovery and Cochrane-class saucers for the LRSV are missing engine trails for the saucer-mounted impulse engines.

Opening a customized ship in the ship tailor, particularly ones with Fleet components, can cause the ship to reset to a default template in the tailor.

A specific combination of hull and pylon choices on the Recon SV causes a gap between the hull and the pylons.

I can't remember which, but I did bugrep this, and the report specifies the combination.

Edit: the Peregrine fighter's model is low-poly and looks outdated.

whatinblueblazes

Great additions so far. Thank you all for contributing.

I've been adding your feedback in as I receive it, and I'm working on transferring material from the old Angelsilhouette thread (props to Jes as well). I am also on the lookout for any great photo reference material, such as that offered by amosov78.

Appreciate it, guys! Keep it coming.

crypticquack

Amazing effort so far everyone! I wasn't expecting this, and this is fantastic. I can't express how grateful I am.

Thanks for any effort anyone puts into this!

theparanoid

Fleet B'rel is missing the type 3 skin and D'Gavma parts. The B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit has these opitions but not the Fleet B'rel.

mandoknight89

Vo'Quv error: the window styles aren't applied correctly, so one section is stuck with Type 1 windows.

neok182

@CrypticQuack: i just really hope some of these can be fixed relatively soon. two of the 4 bugs i'm reporting right here are probably 5 minute fixes if that.

Visual evidence of all bugs: http://imgur.com/a/V7QJG/layout/blog

Fleet Ar'Kif is missing fleet skin. It comes with the fleet skin but it's missing in the tailor so you can't access it once you modify the ship.

Fleet B'rel missing D'Gavma parts. Retrofit has it but fleet is missing.

Mogh/Fleet Mogh has a bug where all of the armor pieces do not load their textures and display as white, This but does not affect all ships but once it affects yours it affects it everywhere as i have tested on 5 computers and 8 installs and every time the white textures were there. And i can be right next to a mogh with fully working textures.

ALL FED SHIPS: When clicking RANDOMIZE the emblem can lose it's colors and turn white. This can be fixed on some ships by choosing a template but on ships like the Avenger with no template once this bug happens your emblem is bugged forever.

amosov78

whatinblueblazes wrote: »

Great additions so far. Thank you all for contributing.

I've been adding your feedback in as I receive it, and I'm working on transferring material from the old Angelsilhouette thread (props to Jes as well). I am also on the lookout for any great photo reference material, such as that offered by amosov78.

Appreciate it, guys! Keep it coming.

Though they're not big pictures, there's quite a few references of some of the studio models on this website as well, most notably Kronos One from Star Trek VI:

http://starshipmodeler.com/trek/movietech.htm

Ships and stations that appeared in DS9 can also be seen here, with some good shots of the Defiant model: http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/ds9tech.htm

dontdrunkimshoot

oh cool, my old kamarang pics made it in.

the heavy cruiser costumes stargazer and Dakota do not have mirrored nacelles, like the prometheus and its variants do. basically, the bottom 2 should be flipped upside down.

Cheyenne nacelles are a bit long too, but i like the creative license taken with the rest of it. unfortunately its a game launch model and pretty low end.

amosov78

There's also a number of references that can be found in the web archive of the now defunct "Drexfiles" blog. Some images and stuff aren't working, but there's still a gold mine of pictures there:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130116083935/http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/category/tos/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130116084516/http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/category/tmp/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130116083825/http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/category/tng/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130116084145/http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/category/ds9/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130116083927/http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/category/voy/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130116083906/http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/category/ent/

jer5488

The fore and aft windows on the Avenger saucer don't 'de-armor'. The armor is always online in front of the bridge, behind the bridge, and on the little platform the bridge sits on.

startrek1wars

These are just art issues, not really bugs.

Vesta class:

Original Render:http://www.starbase400.org/avalon/vesta.jpg

In game: http://i.imgur.com/Uvil66M.jpg

First of all, great job on the secondary deflector. It looks just like the original renders!

Bussard collectors should be red, not orange. They should also have caps at their fronts.

NCC-##### should not be on the nacelle; replace with some tech stuff.

The nacelles should also have some RCS thrusters at their rear.

The grill at the top of the saucer "hump," near the rear, should be black with grey outlines, not grey with black outlines. EDIT: This is a non-issue, as other pics of the Vesta have the grey with black outlines. However, making these lines more detailed would be nice.

If these issues were fixed, it would really be appreciated. Thanks!

artan42

The D7 is missing a whole bunch of colours, logos, and markings.

jer5488

Actually - one more. This one is a 'cross ship one'. it effects the Odyssey and the Aquarius. When outside of 6 km - the long range, low res textures on the Aquarius don't load leaving it a white blob. This occurs with the Aquarius, the Aquarius pet, and the docked Aquarius attached to the Odyssey.

It popped up when they updated with the last season - something about the Aquarius 'run' from the Enterprise F probably just made the Aquarius link to a lower res texture that isn't there for long distance shots.

drreverend

To add to the Advanced Escort/Fleet Advanced Escort bit, the saucer nacelle behind the bridge that normally raises up in MVAS mode is now raised all the time and won't go away even in normal combined mode.

nikkojt

Not graphics related, but the link in the OP allegedly leading to an image of the Star Cruiser's missing impulse engine trails actually leads to one of the registry distortion examples.

The gap between pylons and hull on the Recon SV is visible when using the Polaris-class hull and any pylons other than the Polaris-class ones.

Screenshot showing extended saucer nacelle on Advanced Escort, along with mysterious impulse engine glows on the rear of the saucer - possibly caused by one of the vectors' impulse engines being visually active even when combined?

overlapo

Bortasqu': The bridge, as seen from inside, is located in an area that existed in the Bortas but does not exist in the Bortasqu' because the bridge module was replaced by the BOP pet.

whatinblueblazes

nikkojt wrote: »

Not graphics related, but the link in the OP allegedly leading to an image of the Star Cruiser's missing impulse engine trails actually leads to one of the registry distortion examples.

The gap between pylons and hull on the Recon SV is visible when using the Polaris-class hull and any pylons other than the Polaris-class ones.

Screenshot showing extended saucer nacelle on Advanced Escort, along with mysterious impulse engine glows on the rear of the saucer - possibly caused by one of the vectors' impulse engines being visually active even when combined?

Good catch! I'll be sure to fix that link. I definitely welcome constructive criticism, so if you guys see anything wrong or unclear, be sure to point it out!

And thanks again for the added visual documentation. Super helpful.

More generally, could people who are more familiar with the Defiant than I am take a look at the in-game model for me? Scour it for errors, inconsistencies, and such? It's not a ship I fly much, so I'd prefer to crowdsource the errors with that one.

crypticquack

neok182 wrote: »

@CrypticQuack: i just really hope some of these can be fixed relatively soon. two of the 4 bugs i'm reporting right here are probably 5 minute fixes if that.

There is no such thing as a 5 minute fix. The easiest fix for a ship takes at least 2 hours. From fetching the files, to investigating the issue, to problem solving the issue, to fixing the issue, to testing to make sure you didn't break 50 things, to checking in the issue, to writing up what the issue was and what you fixed.

There is a reason that seemingly simple things still exist. Making games is much more complicated then most want to accept.

jer5488

This one is really minor, but I forgot to mention it. On the Odyssey - the forward pair of escape pods on the engineering hull (just aft of the deflector) get cut in half. This one is really hard to see unless you're looking or taking beauty shots, though. It's more noticeable with the triangular escape pod hatches.

Also - none of the saucer sep ships - Galaxy, Galaxy X, Odyssey (this one can be forgiven as no screen footage) show a battle bridge when separated - just a smooth neck assembly.

As to Defiant issues, it's a little low res/texture compared to new ships - but it's in fairly good shape. Though the Port nacelle does have a strange... 'scar' where the textures patterns end right above the registry number. It's something easy to pretend is just battle damage, though.

whatinblueblazes

crypticquack wrote: »

There is no such thing as a 5 minute fix. The easiest fix for a ship takes at least 2 hours. From fetching the files, to investigating the issue, to problem solving the issue, to fixing the issue, to testing to make sure you didn't break 50 things, to checking in the issue, to writing up what the issue was and what you fixed.

There is a reason that seemingly simple things still exist. Making games is much more complicated then most want to accept.

I definitely can appreciate that fact, and I understand that is particularly true of extremely detail-intensive work... like remodeling and texturing an iconic ship like the Galaxy or the B'rel. All the more reason that I (and others) are very grateful to you for encouraging threads such as this.

Thanks for dropping by and fighting the good fight for improving the look of some of the launch-era ships, crypticquack. If there's any way that we can make this feedback more useful/usable by the ship art team, please let us know.

whatinblueblazes

jer5488 wrote: »

As to Defiant issues, it's a little low res/texture compared to new ships - but it's in fairly good shape. Though the Port nacelle does have a strange... 'scar' where the textures patterns end right above the registry number. It's something easy to pretend is just battle damage, though.

I agree, the model is a bit coarse, but it's in great shape compared to some (looking at you, Envoy). About that "scar"... any chance you (or another enterprising poster) could grab a screenshot of that?

EDIT: Thanks, jer5488! I've added that to the feedback. I took the liberty of combining your screenshots and adding a bit of text, as shown here.

jer5488

It's the strange orange/black line/smear beneath the texture pattern. Looks like that on every Defiant nacelle, every paint scheme. (Just Defiant, not Sao Paulo, etc)

psycoticvulcan

whatinblueblazes wrote: »

Cruiser (Constitution refit and variants.

• Outer nacelle grills are supposed to be unlit

They changed that on purpose, like the DS9 team did to the Miranda. Original, modernized.

amosov78

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

They changed that on purpose, like the DS9 team did to the Miranda. Original, modernized.

It would be good to have options for both lit and unlit nacelles, like the Excelsior-class currently has in-game.