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Anything positive about 9.5?

yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
edited June 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
If seen many negative reactions about the upcoming Crafting and DOFFing overhaul.
What do you guys think are the positive sides of it?
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited June 2014
    yreodred wrote: »
    If seen many negative reactions about the upcoming Crafting and DOFFing overhaul.
    What do you guys think are the positive sides of it?

    Won't be installed until Tuesday ... Err July.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    yreodred wrote: »
    If seen many negative reactions about the upcoming Crafting and DOFFing overhaul.
    What do you guys think are the positive sides of it?

    In the end, some people like cake and some people do not like cake. It's up to you to decide if you like cake.
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I don't really know enough to say yet. I'm keen to learn about the new procs the crafting system is introducing; but we don't know what they are yet (or at least I don't). Personally, I'm hoping for hybrid phasers of some kind.
    My old (and now mostly obsolete) exploration suggestions thread. Give it a read. :)
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    yreodred wrote: »
    If seen many negative reactions about the upcoming Crafting and DOFFing overhaul.
    What do you guys think are the positive sides of it?

    There aren't any positive sides of the doffing overhaul. Cryptic's decided they want to fix what ain't broken there.

    Can't speak to the crafting thing.
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  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    yreodred wrote: »
    If seen many negative reactions about the upcoming Crafting and DOFFing overhaul.
    What do you guys think are the positive sides of it?

    Since I have not looked at it I can pull only one thing out of it prior to it's release.

    They are still working on the game. The server shall remain up.

    I think that qualifies as a positive.

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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    We only saw a part of the new release. The rest hadn't been brought into the light yet.

    This is from what I saw so far. Which is the crafting. Its got pros and cons. I will see when its live to make a choice to make use of it. Or not even bother with it. There is still a few weeks to go, so I'm sure there is more yet to come on news releases.
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  • solemkofsolemkof Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    yreodred wrote: »
    If seen many negative reactions about the upcoming Crafting and DOFFing overhaul.
    What do you guys think are the positive sides of it?
    They might have enough time to fix their fubar 'updated' UI before it's released to Holodeck.
  • anyone#9933 anyone
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    edited June 2014
    As long as the game won't force me to participate in the "time wasting money sinks" called crafting in order to get the gear I want, it's fine.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    money-grab over gameplay, whats to like

    best I can say about it is that I wont be required to use it [AFAIK]
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    To quote Tuvok - "This does not bode well".
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    There aren't any positive sides of the doffing overhaul.

    Outside of...

    Being able to see rewards and requirements at a glance without having to click each assignment to see what they are. No need to scroll down to see all the required DOFFs.

    Heck, even having the DOFFs preslotted so you don't have to assign them unless you want to change which DOFFs have been assigned.

    The at a glance ability to see how long each assignment will take. That at a glance ability to see the rarity of the assignment.

    The easy recognition of the icons on the left to the type of DOFF mission - what Commendation XP category/etc.

    Not having to zone for certain DOFF chains - the chains are available right there in sector space as long as you're near the cluster/nebula.

    There's a bunch of such QoL improvements there...
  • grayfoxjamesgrayfoxjames Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Mmm...let's see...20,000 Dilithium for a chance at Very Rare item, plus it looks like Exploration Sectors are being taken out so the accolades will probably just hang there for awhile...

    Was excited at first but once the news started coming out of Tribble the excitement died. Don't like the sound of me spending my hard earned Dil (whether through grinding or real money for a chance at something)...not a big fan of Lock Boxes either...if I wanted to gamble I'd go to the casino and play poker :/
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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    capnmanx wrote: »
    I don't really know enough to say yet. I'm keen to learn about the new procs the crafting system is introducing; but we don't know what they are yet (or at least I don't). Personally, I'm hoping for hybrid phasers of some kind.

    Where did you hear about new procs?
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    In the end, some people like cake and some people do not like cake. It's up to you to decide if you like cake.

    since the cake is a lie then clearly the crafting system doesnt exist in a few peoples minds i would imagine.

    whats positive? i dont know if there is anything beyond just the crafting stuff, like another feature mission and what not, if its entirely about the crafting then it will just be a loser to those who wanted a good crafting revamp and got this dud instead. the only positive is that it cant come and go soon enough and that season 10 - expansion 2 is right around the corner :P.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rekurzion wrote: »
    Where did you hear about new procs?

    There was the following post...
    adjudicatorhawk wrote: »
    Oh, there's definitely something different about craftable gear. But today we're only supposed to be talking about materials!

    Craftable gear has unique procs that can only be found via the crafting system.

    ...yet, the released system on Tribble is nowhere near the complete system - so we haven't seen anything like this yet. S9.5 is launching at the end of July. It's only June 22nd. They even popped out Redshirt because they'll be dropping patches to Holo as we test this stuff for a month or so on Tribble. Folks are acting like we're going to get this on Holo this Thursday...there's a month or more to go.
  • dgdolphdgdolph Member Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Outside of...

    Being able to see rewards and requirements at a glance without having to click each assignment to see what they are. No need to scroll down to see all the required DOFFs.

    Heck, even having the DOFFs preslotted so you don't have to assign them unless you want to change which DOFFs have been assigned.

    The at a glance ability to see how long each assignment will take. That at a glance ability to see the rarity of the assignment.

    The easy recognition of the icons on the left to the type of DOFF mission - what Commendation XP category/etc.

    Not having to zone for certain DOFF chains - the chains are available right there in sector space as long as you're near the cluster/nebula.

    There's a bunch of such QoL improvements there...


    All that aren't an improvements to me. I totaly prefer a small icon list that needs to be right-clicked to see the deatails over a list that makes me scroll for ages cuz there's just 3 assignments fitting on my screen.

    imho, cryptic messed up something that was fine before. I really hope it won't stay this way.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Being able to see rewards and requirements at a glance without having to click each assignment to see what they are. No need to scroll down to see all the required DOFFs.
    Because pushing a mouse button is so hard. :rolleyes:
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Heck, even having the DOFFs preslotted so you don't have to assign them unless you want to change which DOFFs have been assigned.
    I always want to change which doffs have been assigned. The game's idea of which doffs are "best" for a given assignment only rarely matches up to what actually is.
    virusdancer wrote: »
    The at a glance ability to see how long each assignment will take. That at a glance ability to see the rarity of the assignment.
    Rarity is already clearly visible (it says "uncommon", "very rare" etc. right on the mission list). Seeing the length of time it takes requires you to click a button.
    virusdancer wrote: »
    The easy recognition of the icons on the left to the type of DOFF mission - what Commendation XP category/etc.
    They're already segregated by department; what more do you want? Maybe they could just change the icons so they're all the same per race but it doesn't take that long to memorize.
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Not having to zone for certain DOFF chains - the chains are available right there in sector space as long as you're near the cluster/nebula.
    Not being able to zone means you can't invite others to your bridge so they can take advantage of your proximity. They have also removed most of the exploration cluster side missions, many of which paid very well in CXP and goodies (I lost count of the number of times I ran and reran "Neutralize Klingon Expansion" to raise my military and colonial XP). And now they've made the slots for the missions much bigger as well meaning it's harder to see what's available.
    virusdancer wrote: »
    There's a bunch of such QoL improvements there...
    If that's what you call QoL improvements, I'd hate to see what you consider mistakes.

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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dgdolph wrote: »
    All that aren't an improvements to me. I totaly prefer a small icon list that needs to be right-clicked to see the deatails over a list that makes me scroll for ages cuz there's just 3 assignments fitting on my screen.

    imho, cryptic messed up something that was fine before. I really hope it won't stay this way.

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  • dgdolphdgdolph Member Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    This is what I see on Holodeck: http://i.imgur.com/pStFQBZ.png
    This is what I see on Tribble: http://i.imgur.com/La6w9g0.png

    You better compare both at the same screen resolution ;)


    http://s1.directupload.net/images/140622/3884w2xq.png

    +you still have to view the details to see success and crit rates, which makes this face lift's intention a fail anyway
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dgdolph wrote: »
    You better compare both at the same screen resolution ;)


    http://s1.directupload.net/images/140622/3884w2xq.png

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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dgdolph wrote: »
    You better compare both at the same screen resolution ;)


    http://s1.directupload.net/images/140622/3884w2xq.png

    Both were taken at 1440x900.

    The Holodeck image is 1,135px
  • dgdolphdgdolph Member Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Both were taken at 1440x900.

    The Holodeck image is 1,135px
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I don't think its awful, just needs some adjustment here and there. It's still a month away I guess so with a few changes which I don't even think need to be that big and it might be just fine. I'll reserve judgment until it hits.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    This is what I see on Holodeck: http://i.imgur.com/pStFQBZ.png
    This is what I see on Tribble: http://i.imgur.com/La6w9g0.png
    Are you trying to prove you are wrong or something ?
    The at a glance ability to see how long each assignment will take. That at a glance ability to see the rarity of the assignment.
    It's clearly written. Like "time to complete..." and "uncommon". I mean seriously, you just took those screenshots ! You must have seen it !

    The easy recognition of the icons on the left to the type of DOFF mission - what Commendation XP category/etc.
    It's clearly written : "marauding..." AND you have a picture. In the new system all you have is a small picture, good luck with that. It's clearly obvious marauding assignment reward.... marauding XP.

    Honestly, are you trolling, or simply proving you are wrong ?

    virusdancer wrote: »
    Heck, even having the DOFFs preslotted so you don't have to assign them unless you want to change which DOFFs have been assigned.
    Anyone who do a bit of doffing, and knows how it works will likely remove those DOFF, because they likely decrease crit in favor of success. So you slot anyone else but the ones with the appropriate job.
    With the new system, good luck figuring which one have which perks and jobs. Which is the most important, not the pre-slotted doff.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
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  • dgdolphdgdolph Member Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek

    There's absolutely no problem with you liking the new face lift! I don't care if you like your cake or not...

    It's just that some of your arguements are more likely speaking against your point of view.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    captainrevo1 wrote: »
    I don't think its awful, just needs some adjustment here and there. It's still a month away I guess so with a few changes which I don't even think need to be that big and it might be just fine. I'll reserve judgment until it hits.

    The DOFFing changes are going to cause some issues for folks running 1024x768, no doubt. They'll have to mess about with scaling which could be highly problematic for some.

    The width of it can get pretty annoying if you want to see everything - depending on how many rewards and requirements exist for the particular assignment. They may need to take a look at scaling some of those images. Course, that could lead to visibility issues for folks running higher resolutions as things become tiny.

    Some sort of sorting option would be nifty, imho - so folks could sort based on preference.

    Something to keep in mind with much of it - is are they still looking to drop it out on Gateway somewhere down the line, eh? Can't remember what they last said about that.
  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It is shaping up to be an absolutely disastrous update.

    Would love to be proved wrong.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    captainrevo1 wrote: »
    I don't think its awful, just needs some adjustment here and there. It's still a month away I guess so with a few changes which I don't even think need to be that big and it might be just fine. I'll reserve judgment until it hits.

    It doesn't need adjustment. It needs to be reverted to its original state altogether.

    They're trying to fix what isn't broken, and breaking it.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    artfulmerkage wrote: »
    It is shaping up to be an absolutely disastrous update.

    Would love to be proved wrong.

    season 8 was the bomb that sank to the bottom without exploding and no one noticed. dinosaurs with freaking lazors on their heads.. pah! it was quickly buried by the devs and community alike.

    i doubt 9.5 will be such a massive disaster as season 8 was tbh.
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