Case in point, Galaxy class Enterprise was taken down by a BoP in Generations ... And everyone found it believable.
Excuse me? The destruction of the Enterprise-D required a frankly ludicrous level of plot-induced stupidity on the part of the command crew and the Starfleet Corps of Engineers.
The one believable part in the whole mess: The Duras sisters get the shield frequency of the Ent-D so they can fire through the shields.
Worf, the tactical officer, gets the first black mark for not immediately figuring out that the most common method of shooting through shields with conventional weapons is to match frequencies. The solution that should have been obvious is to set the shields into anti-Borg mode, i.e. random remodulation.
Picard clearly stated earlier that the Duras' D-12 BoP is no match for a GCS. Therefore Riker, as acting captain, gets the second black mark for not immediately ordering Worf to open fire with everything he had. Not like the BoP was cloaked or anything; in fact it was sitting stock-still right in the path of the forward torpedo tube. Instead he fires one shot from the fore ventral phaser and then slowly runs away. And yet despite Riker's concerted effort to get everyone aboard killed the Enterprise still hull-tanked the Klingons for a good five minutes or so.
Leah Brahms' and the GCS engineering team also deserve a general court-martial for unbelievable levels of incompetence in the design of basic safety features such as, hey, the warp core ejection system. It has never worked on the Enterprise, so Geordi, now reasonably genre savvy about this, gets a commendation for not wasting time in ordering an evacuation once the Duras sisters miraculously score a fatal hit.
Does that level of utter incompetence seem remotely believable to you?
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you also have to look what the galaxy ws designed for Exploration not combat the Excelsior and OCnstellation Classes where built during a time when the federation needed warships more than exploration. The in ship design the Exploration was a role done when peace was good.
multiple tzenkethy hot wars, a tholion war that resulted in a space dock style starebase being destroyed, and a constant hot and cold war with the cardasians that lasted from about 2350 to 2368, all took place during the galaxy class's creation. their hadn't been a war in the tos days since 2245, into the 24th century there was little more then postureing and the orgainians preventing conflicts. so please, stow this BS already, im so tired of hearing it.
for an explorer that's alone and far from any backup, that's got a 50/50 chance or worse for first contact to go south, theres would have to be little difference between a battlecruiser and an exploer to just send off alone into the void.
I didn't read how a thread on the Constellation-class devolved into Galaxy vs Bird of Prey argument
But I attribute the Ent-D's loss to the fickle Lady Luck / a.k.a. Plot Armor, and it being part of a horrible movie.
To be on topic: Why the hell the Constellation-class has not been implemented yet is beyond me. Esp. since the saucer section assets were already leaked to us long ago.
To be on topic: Why the hell the Constellation-class has not been implemented yet is beyond me. Esp. since the saucer section assets were already leaked to us long ago.
I'm going to chalk it up to timing. We are at the mercy of Cryptic's planned production schedule. When it rolls out, it'll roll out with the usual fanfare.
... Or it'll get clumped with the unused assets in the game like the bamboo cannon (the one Kirk used to fight the Gorn in that TOS episode).
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As to why the Constellation Class hasn't been done in I do not now either be nice if they added it soon it is only 1 of 3 Canon ship not added the other 2 being the Challenger and the Niagara Class (hope I spelled that right).
Excuse me? The destruction of the Enterprise-D required a frankly ludicrous level of plot-induced stupidity on the part of the command crew and the Starfleet Corps of Engineers.
The one believable part in the whole mess: The Duras sisters get the shield frequency of the Ent-D so they can fire through the shields.
Worf, the tactical officer, gets the first black mark for not immediately figuring out that the most common method of shooting through shields with conventional weapons is to match frequencies. The solution that should have been obvious is to set the shields into anti-Borg mode, i.e. random remodulation.
Picard clearly stated earlier that the Duras' D-12 BoP is no match for a GCS. Therefore Riker, as acting captain, gets the second black mark for not immediately ordering Worf to open fire with everything he had. Not like the BoP was cloaked or anything; in fact it was sitting stock-still right in the path of the forward torpedo tube. Instead he fires one shot from the fore ventral phaser and then slowly runs away. And yet despite Riker's concerted effort to get everyone aboard killed the Enterprise still hull-tanked the Klingons for a good five minutes or so.
Leah Brahms' and the GCS engineering team also deserve a general court-martial for unbelievable levels of incompetence in the design of basic safety features such as, hey, the warp core ejection system. It has never worked on the Enterprise, so Geordi, now reasonably genre savvy about this, gets a commendation for not wasting time in ordering an evacuation once the Duras sisters miraculously score a fatal hit.
Does that level of utter incompetence seem remotely believable to you?
It's simply this, E-D had to die in the movie so they Koybiashi Maru it and broke the rules. We all know Riker and Work are better officers then that. With without shields you fire like hell at the BOP till it dies but the writers wanted the ship to die so she did.
What would make sense for Consrtellation is a say 3.5 zen ship and Skin unlock for Heavy Cruiser and the retro and of course Picard manuver console.
The thing of it is that the Constellation Class itself was a class of it own so why not have it stay as that instead fo reskining another ship to look it. I think it needs be its own Class that simple.
The Miranda and Centaur are seperate classes but in the game they are alt skins of your first ship. Thus the same applies for the Constellation. Heck with some work you can get the current skins look like a modernized Constellation. I don't want the ship to be like oberth. i ship only diehard fans will by but useless in high tier.
As to why the Constellation Class hasn't been done in I do not now either be nice if they added it soon it is only 1 of 3 Canon ship not added the other 2 being the Challenger and the Niagara Class (hope I spelled that right).
Also, Norway, 5 versions of the Nebula, Venture type Galaxy, two other Miranda types, the Nemasis refit Sovereign, the Soyuz and Antares Miranda types, the Sydney, the Yeager, the Curry, the Daedalus, the Freedom, the Ptolemy, and the Saladin.
:P
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Also, Norway, 5 versions of the Nebula, Venture type Galaxy, two other Miranda types, the Nemasis refit Sovereign, the Soyuz and Antares Miranda types, the Sydney, the Yeager, the Curry, the Daedalus, the Freedom, the Ptolemy, and the Saladin.
:P
Some of those are TOS era ships so will not be in. Yeager HELL NO aweful ship. Curry can be a flight deck cruiser. and there's only 3 known varients of Nebula and norway is already in as the Oslo.
I am not saying the Galaxy has no combat ability it does but when you look at casualtiy reports and such many where destroyed. No there was no majot war during re TOS time during the Movie or TMP you had the Klingons on there throats the many races conspiring against the Federation. By the way I do no tolerate bulling or cursing in my posts.
From the beginning of the Galaxy Class Development Project in the 2350s, to end of the Dominion War, sources have the Galaxy's losses standing at four ships.
The pre-refit Constitution class lost close to that just over the course of a five year period, between 2265-2270. And that was considered acceptable attrition.
So, four Galaxy class starships lost over the course of roughly twenty years, is actually a pretty damned good service record.
and there's only 3 known varients of Nebula and norway is already in as the Oslo.
Nebula class, Bonchune variant, Phoenix variant, Melbourne variant (Nebula prototype I), Nebula prototype II, and Nebula prototype III.
Steamrunner was in as the Zephyr, they the Steamrunner was added, so the Norway should be as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
From the beginning of the Galaxy Class Development Project in the 2350s, to end of the Dominion War, sources have the Galaxy's losses standing at four ships.
The pre-refit Constitution class lost close to that just over the course of a five year period, between 2265-2270. And that was considered acceptable attrition.
So, four Galaxy class starships lost over the course of roughly twenty years, is actually a pretty damned good service record.
But the connie first run was 12 ships. the Galaxy was 6 and all of the four known deaths were that first run of ships
Steamrunner was only added was because Steam was hosting the game now and only steam players can have it.
It's still part of the game.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Looks like Monday came and no Constellation Class. So whoever said it would come out then lied to a lot of people and such. Unless soemmone nows how to get it in game.
Cryptics devs surely know how to dissappoint ppl.
Some rumor here, some little puzzeling statement there, but in the end nothing of substance.
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Looks like Monday came and no Constellation Class. So whoever said it would come out then lied to a lot of people and such. Unless soemmone nows how to get it in game.
Nobody's been lying about anything. It's just forum speculation based on the fact that 'Captain Picard Day' would be an appropriate time for such a release.
If Cryptic had done a "Captain Picard Day" it just would have been another grind-fest anyways, so it's probably just as well.
Gecko suggested in a podcast that they will finish the "accidentally" released Constellation-class skin.
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Excuse me? The destruction of the Enterprise-D required a frankly ludicrous level of plot-induced stupidity on the part of the command crew and the Starfleet Corps of Engineers.
Does that level of utter incompetence seem remotely believable to you?
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multiple tzenkethy hot wars, a tholion war that resulted in a space dock style starebase being destroyed, and a constant hot and cold war with the cardasians that lasted from about 2350 to 2368, all took place during the galaxy class's creation. their hadn't been a war in the tos days since 2245, into the 24th century there was little more then postureing and the orgainians preventing conflicts. so please, stow this BS already, im so tired of hearing it.
for an explorer that's alone and far from any backup, that's got a 50/50 chance or worse for first contact to go south, theres would have to be little difference between a battlecruiser and an exploer to just send off alone into the void.
But I attribute the Ent-D's loss to the fickle Lady Luck / a.k.a. Plot Armor, and it being part of a horrible movie.
To be on topic: Why the hell the Constellation-class has not been implemented yet is beyond me. Esp. since the saucer section assets were already leaked to us long ago.
I'm going to chalk it up to timing. We are at the mercy of Cryptic's planned production schedule. When it rolls out, it'll roll out with the usual fanfare.
... Or it'll get clumped with the unused assets in the game like the bamboo cannon (the one Kirk used to fight the Gorn in that TOS episode).
(UFP) Ragnar
Actually one more ... New Orleans-class.
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It's simply this, E-D had to die in the movie so they Koybiashi Maru it and broke the rules. We all know Riker and Work are better officers then that. With without shields you fire like hell at the BOP till it dies but the writers wanted the ship to die so she did.
What would make sense for Consrtellation is a say 3.5 zen ship and Skin unlock for Heavy Cruiser and the retro and of course Picard manuver console.
The Miranda and Centaur are seperate classes but in the game they are alt skins of your first ship. Thus the same applies for the Constellation. Heck with some work you can get the current skins look like a modernized Constellation. I don't want the ship to be like oberth. i ship only diehard fans will by but useless in high tier.
Also, Norway, 5 versions of the Nebula, Venture type Galaxy, two other Miranda types, the Nemasis refit Sovereign, the Soyuz and Antares Miranda types, the Sydney, the Yeager, the Curry, the Daedalus, the Freedom, the Ptolemy, and the Saladin.
:P
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Some of those are TOS era ships so will not be in. Yeager HELL NO aweful ship. Curry can be a flight deck cruiser. and there's only 3 known varients of Nebula and norway is already in as the Oslo.
From the beginning of the Galaxy Class Development Project in the 2350s, to end of the Dominion War, sources have the Galaxy's losses standing at four ships.
The pre-refit Constitution class lost close to that just over the course of a five year period, between 2265-2270. And that was considered acceptable attrition.
So, four Galaxy class starships lost over the course of roughly twenty years, is actually a pretty damned good service record.
Nebula class, Bonchune variant, Phoenix variant, Melbourne variant (Nebula prototype I), Nebula prototype II, and Nebula prototype III.
Steamrunner was in as the Zephyr, they the Steamrunner was added, so the Norway should be as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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But the connie first run was 12 ships. the Galaxy was 6 and all of the four known deaths were that first run of ships
Steamrunner was only added was because Steam was hosting the game now and only steam players can have it.
It's barely after 8 AM Pacific...
Why do folks forget timezones?
It's still part of the game.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Cryptics devs surely know how to dissappoint ppl.
Some rumor here, some little puzzeling statement there, but in the end nothing of substance.
- So there is still some time!
Nobody's been lying about anything. It's just forum speculation based on the fact that 'Captain Picard Day' would be an appropriate time for such a release.
Besides... Monday ain't over yet. :P
Gecko suggested in a podcast that they will finish the "accidentally" released Constellation-class skin.
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