most likely to be another tier 3 refit, and only useable at end game because the fleet and mirror heavy exists. that would mean any ship can slot the picard maneuver console. seeing as nether of those ship are powerhouses what so ever, its a perfectly reasonable place for a playable constellation to be.
though if it turns out to be its own tier 5 thing, that would be cool too. call it a survey cruiser or something, and let it use all the heavy cruiser costumes, and vice versa on the heavy.
I agree with dontdrunkimshoot on this.
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no miltaires don't but in times of need they do think of it, you are fighting a war on 90 percent border here you cant keep up production what s cheaper designing a new class or taking and old class and reworking it with modern proven equipment. I can name many nations that do that to this day America is an example. So mi,itaries do do it but not for looks but as we need it now. Example the Ticonderoga Class Cruiser a unpowered overworked Destoryer, IE example it was based of the Kidd class destroyer as a design. SO don't give emt he militaires don't dot hat they do the Ticonderoga Class is a prime example. The COnstellations where underpowered but that was od the techonolgy of the time not the design of the ship. the ships itself in its day was extremely powerful Picard was comparing the COnsrellation to Galaxy Class of ship. a ship that was nearly 70 years newer in technology. Also the Constealltins mission was "During the early 24th century, the Constellation-class was noted for performing both deep-space exploration and defensive patrol duties." according to Memeory Alpha. The Galaxy was an exploration Cruiser a completely different mission, a mission for exploration in unkown territory not combat. When you are at war beggers cant be chosers. You get what you can and make do with what you have. So if you are goin to compare that it is a piece of TRIBBLE ship make sure you compare to ships of its time not 70 year difference Excelsior excluded.
Also considered the mothball fleet. If the US wanted to they could reactivate the Iowa Class battle ships. And look at the federation. the three most prominent clases for ages were Excel, Miranda, and oberth. Heck if really desperate they could bring out the Connie again.
Should be a heavy destroyer with an engineering cmdr, tac lt cmdr, lt and ensign universal and lt science. I think something between a cruiser and escort in terms of turn rate / hull. That's my idea ... not a must though. However, must be playable at end game and must come with Picard Manv Console!
If it is a tier III ship then the Cheyenne stats need buffing and make it so I can use the skin instead of Cheyenne. If it is just a tier III selling Picard console ... I will be extremely disappointed and won't get it!
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Just like the Excelsior's transwarp engine, there is a 10%-ish chance that it would fail. Except in this case, instead of a "klonking" noise and no transwarp it is your Constellation-class ship exploding spectacularly.
Will it also spray your opponent in ship bits from your ship as it falls apart?
ever so true my firend so true. The Mothball FLeet was made for that reason. In case of a major war and they are needed they will reactivate you have a very good point.
But unlike the Constellation, Connie and Miranda classes, the Iowas actually have a unique functionality that has been lost since their decommissioning. Hence they are kept on standby for reactivation. The old Fed ships have been completely eclipsed in all aspects of performance.
Also considered the mothball fleet. If the US wanted to they could reactivate the Iowa Class battle ships. And look at the federation. the three most prominent clases for ages were Excel, Miranda, and oberth. Heck if really desperate they could bring out the Connie again.
The US Navy could reactivate the Iowa class but it would not be very useful. During the Gulf war the Iowa´s already were a part of the reserve fleet and mothballed after the war. THey have been modernized several times but finally were outdated because there is no use for cannons anymore when you have missiles,and drones.
Same goes for the Connie, Constellation and Excelsior. Lok at the interior of the Stargazer or the Hathaway. Compare that to a Sovereign or intrepid class ship. Also compare the firepower and durability of the miranda class ships and Excelsior class ships we know to more modern ships like the Galaxy (which is also more than 40 years old in STO). It would be cheaper to build a new ship than to refit a Constellation with state of the art technology
We saw so many Mirandas and Excelsiors go BOOM during the Dominion war and even the modernized Lakota (being an Excelsior class ship she should be mor powerful than any Miranda)was no real match for the Defiant.
So using them 30-40 years later when we got so modrn ships like the REgent in the meantime would make them kamikaze-kruisers in canon ST.
Also we have so consider that there were no major wars duringthe events of TNG. THe cardassian-fed war was already over andconsidering that and that the cardassian ships were not as powerful as federation ships i assume Constellation and Excelsior class ships were still a match for Cardassian ships back then. And during the Dominion war we saw so many new ship classes that replaced the older ones. (Norway, Akira, Intrepid, first refit of the Galaxy class, Sovereign, Defiant, Prometheus ...)
STO is a game and, of course, the old classes are iconic (it was so grreat to fly the constittution class, even with the added phaser arrays) but imagine playing Battlefield 4 with a Baker-rifle just because they are iconic. So basically if we have those older ships, they should be very weak. Since no one would use them if hey are weak they have to be at least as strong as the other Tier 5 and fleet ships like the Assault cruiser or fleet qassault cruiser. I dont think that i saw lot of fleet cruisers (cheyenne) in STFs. I dont think i saw them at all. the fleet cruser is a fleet ship thats not really better than the normal free Tier 5 ship i get.. I still prefer a Constellation that i seperate from the cruiser. A own shipclass, with a fleet version 42900 Hull, 4/4 or 4/3 weapons, Turnrate about 8-9.
Will it also spray your opponent in ship bits from your ship as it falls apart?
I think it would be a 5 km range cone, just like Cannon Scatter Volley but kinetic damage like the Kinetic Cutting Beam. Only good against hull, not against shields.
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The US Navy could reactivate the Iowa class but it would not be very useful. During the Gulf war the Iowa´s already were a part of the reserve fleet and mothballed after the war. THey have been modernized several times but finally were outdated because there is no use for cannons anymore when you have missiles,and drones.
Same goes for the Connie, Constellation and Excelsior. Lok at the interior of the Stargazer or the Hathaway. Compare that to a Sovereign or intrepid class ship. Also compare the firepower and durability of the miranda class ships and Excelsior class ships we know to more modern ships like the Galaxy (which is also more than 40 years old in STO). It would be cheaper to build a new ship than to refit a Constellation with state of the art technology
We saw so many Mirandas and Excelsiors go BOOM during the Dominion war and even the modernized Lakota (being an Excelsior class ship she should be mor powerful than any Miranda)was no real match for the Defiant.
So using them 30-40 years later when we got so modrn ships like the REgent in the meantime would make them kamikaze-kruisers in canon ST.
Also we have so consider that there were no major wars duringthe events of TNG. THe cardassian-fed war was already over andconsidering that and that the cardassian ships were not as powerful as federation ships i assume Constellation and Excelsior class ships were still a match for Cardassian ships back then. And during the Dominion war we saw so many new ship classes that replaced the older ones. (Norway, Akira, Intrepid, first refit of the Galaxy class, Sovereign, Defiant, Prometheus ...)
STO is a game and, of course, the old classes are iconic (it was so grreat to fly the constittution class, even with the added phaser arrays) but imagine playing Battlefield 4 with a Baker-rifle just because they are iconic. So basically if we have those older ships, they should be very weak. Since no one would use them if hey are weak they have to be at least as strong as the other Tier 5 and fleet ships like the Assault cruiser or fleet qassault cruiser. I dont think that i saw lot of fleet cruisers (cheyenne) in STFs. I dont think i saw them at all. the fleet cruser is a fleet ship thats not really better than the normal free Tier 5 ship i get.. I still prefer a Constellation that i seperate from the cruiser. A own shipclass, with a fleet version 42900 Hull, 4/4 or 4/3 weapons, Turnrate about 8-9.
Iowa class use maybe be limited but if desperate they can be brought back out. That's the who;e point of a mothball fleet, in desperate times they can be reactivated for that time. Yes the connie is obsolete for many other ships do it's function better but if the federation got really strap fopr ships those connies can be reactiivated as a placeholders till new ships can be built.
Also the Lakota Defiant battle had only a slight edge for Defiant. they both pounded eachother hard. So the fact a nearly 75 year old design ship (Note Lakota was Enterprise refit) could be modified to pack a punch to got toe to toe with a ship design SOLEY for combat shows the ships adaptablility. And the fact the in thegame Starfleet is desperate enough to promote a cadet to a captian so quickly shows that Starfleet was in dire straights.
Both of you have a valed point but that doesn't mean it cant be in the game it is a game after. It also doesn't mena you cant be refitted and brought up to modern Star Trek cabailioty either. Even Mothball Fleets go threw a process that does the same thing as best they can. Again you are still limited by the frame of the ship. But it is a game and I still think the Sonstellation Class needs be added it is one of three Canon ships not in the game from apromise that all would eb added if requested.
I agree that it should be added and the Constellation-class will probably be added soon. Just that, in my opinion, we shouldn't expect any special treatment out of the Constellation-class other than a skin and/or the Picard Maneuver console.
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Also the Lakota Defiant battle had only a slight edge for Defiant. they both pounded eachother hard. So the fact a nearly 75 year old design ship (Note Lakota was Enterprise refit) could be modified to pack a punch to got toe to toe with a ship design SOLEY for combat shows the ships adaptablility. And the fact the in thegame Starfleet is desperate enough to promote a cadet to a captian so quickly shows that Starfleet was in dire straights.
You shouldn't forget that outside MMO mechanic, the Defiant wasn't as strong an powerful as a full sized battleship/Explorer at that time. The Defiant was extraordinary powerful for its SIZE, but no match for a Nebula or Galaxy class (that was even stated by Chief O'Brien somewhen).
I know Cryptics and MMO brainwashing make many ppl think the Defiant was the peak of Starfleet Battleship design, but in fact it was only intended as the first ship of many to form a rapid deployment force to counter a borg attack. But that doesn't mean it stands toe on toe with a Nebula or Ambassador Class, that's only wishful thinking IMO.
Of course a Excelsior has more power resources and would have had ultimately won the fight if they would have used their torpedoes.
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You shouldn't forget that outside MMO mechanic, the Defiant wasn't as strong an powerful as a full sized battleship/Explorer at that time. The Defiant was extraordinary powerful for its SIZE, but no match for a Nebula or Galaxy class (that was even stated by Chief O'Brien somewhen).
I know Cryptics and MMO brainwashing make many ppl think the Defiant was the peak of Starfleet Battleship design, but in fact it was only intended as the first ship of many to form a rapid deployment force to counter a borg attack. But that doesn't mean it stands toe on toe with a Nebula or Ambassador Class, that's only wishful thinking IMO.
Of course a Excelsior has more power resources and would have had ultimately won the fight if they would have used their torpedoes.
Respectfully, I call bullox on this post. The defiant was shown to kick TRIBBLE thoroughly. Let's review:
1. Survived being attacked under cloak without shields and killed a bug while crippled ... The Search
2. Killed several bug ships and escaped without much damage .. The Die Is Cast
3. Survived a firefight with several Klingon BoP and even being hit point blank by Vor'cha ... Way of the Warrior
4. Kicked Cardy TRIBBLE ... Defiant
5. Countless incursions during the Dominion War ... and was disabled only by Breen Energy Dissapator only
6. Survived battle with Borg ... First contact
I am a fan of the Galaxy too but it's battle record can't compare.
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I'm suspecting that people are getting a little too excited over the appearance of the Constellation saucer; the more I think about it, the more I feel like it has appeared before (I'm talking several years ago here). I'll freely admit that my memory could be playing tricks on me; but it accidentally appearing in the ship tailor for a spell really feels familiar.
I'm not convinced that saucer is new, or that it showing up means the Constellation is presently being worked on.
I'm suspecting that people are getting a little too excited over the appearance of the Constellation saucer; the more I think about it, the more I feel like it has appeared before (I'm talking several years ago here). I'll freely admit that my memory could be playing tricks on me; but it accidentally appearing in the ship tailor for a spell really feels familiar.
I'm not convinced that saucer is new, or that it showing up means the Constellation is presently being worked on.
if i recall correctly, in a pod cast gecko mentioned the creation of the constellation model was the intro learning project for the newest model guy they hired, and eventually it would get released.
Respectfully, I call bullox on this post. The defiant was shown to kick TRIBBLE thoroughly. Let's review:
1. Survived being attacked under cloak without shields and killed a bug while crippled ... The Search
2. Killed several bug ships and escaped without much damage .. The Die Is Cast
3. Survived a firefight with several Klingon BoP and even being hit point blank by Vor'cha ... Way of the Warrior
4. Kicked Cardy TRIBBLE ... Defiant
5. Countless incursions during the Dominion War ... and was disabled only by Breen Energy Dissapator only
6. Survived battle with Borg ... First contact
I am a fan of the Galaxy too but it's battle record can't compare.
1. the galaxy hull tanked multiple bugs for like 10 minutes
2. because the bugs were in a d'deridex feeding frenzy, and the starfleet vessel was rescuing a founder.
3. didn't even bother engaging the vorcha directly, it was no match for it in a strait fight.
4. everything did.
5. never got an on screen kill of anything larger then a bup, bop or breen chel
6. ya, its purpose built to be thrown at a cube, a large ship of the line is a sitting duck, none can tank a cube, evasion is the best defense.
its pretty absurd to think that just because its a match for the defiant, the Lakota is some super tactical ship. do we really think an excelsior upgraded to the maximum possible level is as tactically powerful as a brand new akira? or even intrepid? let alone something enormousness like a galaxy or nebula? well gecko seems too, would explain the excelsior retrofit. the correct answer is no, that 70 year old design isn't within a stones throw of any of those modern designs. its still impressive that a heavy corvette is a match for a tarded up old style light cruiser though, that's firepower way outside something like that's usual weight class.
Respectfully, I call bullox on this post. The defiant was shown to kick TRIBBLE thoroughly. Let's review:
1. Survived being attacked under cloak without shields and killed a bug while crippled ... The Search
2. Killed several bug ships and escaped without much damage .. The Die Is Cast
3. Survived a firefight with several Klingon BoP and even being hit point blank by Vor'cha ... Way of the Warrior
4. Kicked Cardy TRIBBLE ... Defiant
5. Countless incursions during the Dominion War ... and was disabled only by Breen Energy Dissapator only
6. Survived battle with Borg ... First contact
I am a fan of the Galaxy too but it's battle record can't compare.
I'd say that STO is influencing your view on the Bugship in the Trek universe. While an 'apex' predator for a long time in STO for some weird reason, the bugship is nothing more than the Dominion's own lolMiranda in Star Trek.
In fact, in DS9 a Centaur Class went chasing after Sisko's Bugship fully expecting to blow the bug into oblivion. So in a way, killing bugships is not much of a battle record.
Furthermore I think you missed yreodred's point, which was that the Defiant is a warship designed with the intention to work in swarms and can't endure much in 1 on 1 combat with a 'ship of the line', which is completely true.
I'd say that STO is influencing your view on the Bugship in the Trek universe. While an 'apex' predator for a long time in STO for some weird reason, the bugship is nothing more than the Dominion's own lolMiranda in Star Trek.
In fact, in DS9 a Centaur Class went chasing after Sisko's Bugship fully expecting to blow the bug into oblivion. So in a way, killing bugships is not much of a battle record.
Furthermore I think you missed yreodred's point, which was that the Defiant is a warship designed with the intention to work in swarms and can't endure much in 1 on 1 combat with a 'ship of the line', which is completely true.
STO bug ship has nothing to do with it. I don't see any evidence that any other ship has anything close to the burst firepower or combat record of the Defiant. Case in point, Galaxy class Enterprise was taken down by a BoP in Generations ... And everyone found it believable. Defiant survived several battles with minimal or no shields.
Remember, Defiant is a warship ... Officially an escort ... The only Fed ship designed to be a warship. It was designed to fight and defeat the Borg. No other ship can claim that. Ducat calls it the most powerful warship in the quadrant. I can keep going.
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STO bug ship has nothing to do with it. I don't see any evidence that any other ship has anything close to the burst firepower or combat record of the Defiant. Case in point, Galaxy class Enterprise was taken down by a BoP in Generations ... And everyone found it believable. Defiant survived several battles with minimal or no shields.
Remember, Defiant is a warship ... Officially an escort ... The only Fed ship designed to be a warship. It was designed to fight and defeat the Borg. No other ship can claim that. Ducat calls it the most powerful warship in the quadrant. I can keep going.
Have you actually watched with paying attention to what you're talking about?
Tell me, how was the Galaxy taken down by a B'rel in Generations? Sheer firepower? :rolleyes: Or because the Duras sisters had the shield frequency rotation thanks to Geordi's visor?
The Galaxy was shown to blow up chunks the size of it's saucer off a Borg Cube. The Defiant engaged the Borg Cube with an entire fleet and barely survived just enough time for the Sovereign to save their crew.
Case in point, in Star Trek there's a rule - bigger is better. The Defiant is a warship, but not in terms of being more powerfull than ships ten times it's size, but in terms of role - being a bare boned ship that is basically engines attached on weapons, without starndard Starfleet comfort or science facilities and minimal crew in order to minimize casualties because like ddis said - nothing can tank a Borg Cube anyway. They were intended to work in swarms of multiple Defiants stationed around planets and space facilities and deliver a considerable punch for their size as a swarm, while trying to minimize life loss.
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Tell me, how was the Galaxy taken down by a B'rel in Generations? Sheer firepower? :rolleyes: Or because the Duras sisters had the shield frequency rotation thanks to Geordi's visor?
and its not like the bop overpowered the enterprise, though it got hit a lot, the damage was mostly superficial. 'that last torpedo' magically caused the warp core to blow it self up, that's what killed the ship, because plot. also, the enterprise returned fire only once, because plot. instead of blowing that bop away in about a second, with an attack similar to this one
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I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I think this is one of those arguments that can continue endlessly (and diverts from the original topic). I have plenty of canon quotes and evidence showing the Defiant as the pinnacle of a warship and plenty of evidence that Galaxy was not nearly as powerful as people believe (Certainly it is firepower wasn't very bursty).
Anyways ... the Constellation seems to be one of those things that they keep dangling out there but hasn't materialized. Kind of like crafting and PvP revamp ... enhanced Foundry ...
I have hope that when they need some quick cash they will stick a console on tier III ship and maybe ... buff the Cheyenne with the option to wear Constellation skin. Kind of sad how low my expectations are!
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lame, if we were going to get a blog for a picard day release we would have gotten it by now.
I agree 100% with this post though! Can't see them just springing this one on us a surprise. I am sure they would want to exploit it for publicity by having 1 or 2 blogs ahead of time.
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I agree with dontdrunkimshoot on this.
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Also considered the mothball fleet. If the US wanted to they could reactivate the Iowa Class battle ships. And look at the federation. the three most prominent clases for ages were Excel, Miranda, and oberth. Heck if really desperate they could bring out the Connie again.
If it is a tier III ship then the Cheyenne stats need buffing and make it so I can use the skin instead of Cheyenne. If it is just a tier III selling Picard console ... I will be extremely disappointed and won't get it!
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But unlike the Constellation, Connie and Miranda classes, the Iowas actually have a unique functionality that has been lost since their decommissioning. Hence they are kept on standby for reactivation. The old Fed ships have been completely eclipsed in all aspects of performance.
The US Navy could reactivate the Iowa class but it would not be very useful. During the Gulf war the Iowa´s already were a part of the reserve fleet and mothballed after the war. THey have been modernized several times but finally were outdated because there is no use for cannons anymore when you have missiles,and drones.
Same goes for the Connie, Constellation and Excelsior. Lok at the interior of the Stargazer or the Hathaway. Compare that to a Sovereign or intrepid class ship. Also compare the firepower and durability of the miranda class ships and Excelsior class ships we know to more modern ships like the Galaxy (which is also more than 40 years old in STO). It would be cheaper to build a new ship than to refit a Constellation with state of the art technology
We saw so many Mirandas and Excelsiors go BOOM during the Dominion war and even the modernized Lakota (being an Excelsior class ship she should be mor powerful than any Miranda)was no real match for the Defiant.
So using them 30-40 years later when we got so modrn ships like the REgent in the meantime would make them kamikaze-kruisers in canon ST.
Also we have so consider that there were no major wars duringthe events of TNG. THe cardassian-fed war was already over andconsidering that and that the cardassian ships were not as powerful as federation ships i assume Constellation and Excelsior class ships were still a match for Cardassian ships back then. And during the Dominion war we saw so many new ship classes that replaced the older ones. (Norway, Akira, Intrepid, first refit of the Galaxy class, Sovereign, Defiant, Prometheus ...)
STO is a game and, of course, the old classes are iconic (it was so grreat to fly the constittution class, even with the added phaser arrays) but imagine playing Battlefield 4 with a Baker-rifle just because they are iconic. So basically if we have those older ships, they should be very weak. Since no one would use them if hey are weak they have to be at least as strong as the other Tier 5 and fleet ships like the Assault cruiser or fleet qassault cruiser. I dont think that i saw lot of fleet cruisers (cheyenne) in STFs. I dont think i saw them at all. the fleet cruser is a fleet ship thats not really better than the normal free Tier 5 ship i get.. I still prefer a Constellation that i seperate from the cruiser. A own shipclass, with a fleet version 42900 Hull, 4/4 or 4/3 weapons, Turnrate about 8-9.
I think it would be a 5 km range cone, just like Cannon Scatter Volley but kinetic damage like the Kinetic Cutting Beam. Only good against hull, not against shields.
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Iowa class use maybe be limited but if desperate they can be brought back out. That's the who;e point of a mothball fleet, in desperate times they can be reactivated for that time. Yes the connie is obsolete for many other ships do it's function better but if the federation got really strap fopr ships those connies can be reactiivated as a placeholders till new ships can be built.
Also the Lakota Defiant battle had only a slight edge for Defiant. they both pounded eachother hard. So the fact a nearly 75 year old design ship (Note Lakota was Enterprise refit) could be modified to pack a punch to got toe to toe with a ship design SOLEY for combat shows the ships adaptablility. And the fact the in thegame Starfleet is desperate enough to promote a cadet to a captian so quickly shows that Starfleet was in dire straights.
I agree that it should be added and the Constellation-class will probably be added soon. Just that, in my opinion, we shouldn't expect any special treatment out of the Constellation-class other than a skin and/or the Picard Maneuver console.
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I know Cryptics and MMO brainwashing make many ppl think the Defiant was the peak of Starfleet Battleship design, but in fact it was only intended as the first ship of many to form a rapid deployment force to counter a borg attack. But that doesn't mean it stands toe on toe with a Nebula or Ambassador Class, that's only wishful thinking IMO.
Of course a Excelsior has more power resources and would have had ultimately won the fight if they would have used their torpedoes.
Respectfully, I call bullox on this post. The defiant was shown to kick TRIBBLE thoroughly. Let's review:
1. Survived being attacked under cloak without shields and killed a bug while crippled ... The Search
2. Killed several bug ships and escaped without much damage .. The Die Is Cast
3. Survived a firefight with several Klingon BoP and even being hit point blank by Vor'cha ... Way of the Warrior
4. Kicked Cardy TRIBBLE ... Defiant
5. Countless incursions during the Dominion War ... and was disabled only by Breen Energy Dissapator only
6. Survived battle with Borg ... First contact
I am a fan of the Galaxy too but it's battle record can't compare.
- Judge Aaron Satie
I'm not convinced that saucer is new, or that it showing up means the Constellation is presently being worked on.
if i recall correctly, in a pod cast gecko mentioned the creation of the constellation model was the intro learning project for the newest model guy they hired, and eventually it would get released.
1. the galaxy hull tanked multiple bugs for like 10 minutes
2. because the bugs were in a d'deridex feeding frenzy, and the starfleet vessel was rescuing a founder.
3. didn't even bother engaging the vorcha directly, it was no match for it in a strait fight.
4. everything did.
5. never got an on screen kill of anything larger then a bup, bop or breen chel
6. ya, its purpose built to be thrown at a cube, a large ship of the line is a sitting duck, none can tank a cube, evasion is the best defense.
its pretty absurd to think that just because its a match for the defiant, the Lakota is some super tactical ship. do we really think an excelsior upgraded to the maximum possible level is as tactically powerful as a brand new akira? or even intrepid? let alone something enormousness like a galaxy or nebula? well gecko seems too, would explain the excelsior retrofit. the correct answer is no, that 70 year old design isn't within a stones throw of any of those modern designs. its still impressive that a heavy corvette is a match for a tarded up old style light cruiser though, that's firepower way outside something like that's usual weight class.
I'd say that STO is influencing your view on the Bugship in the Trek universe. While an 'apex' predator for a long time in STO for some weird reason, the bugship is nothing more than the Dominion's own lolMiranda in Star Trek.
In fact, in DS9 a Centaur Class went chasing after Sisko's Bugship fully expecting to blow the bug into oblivion. So in a way, killing bugships is not much of a battle record.
Furthermore I think you missed yreodred's point, which was that the Defiant is a warship designed with the intention to work in swarms and can't endure much in 1 on 1 combat with a 'ship of the line', which is completely true.
STO bug ship has nothing to do with it. I don't see any evidence that any other ship has anything close to the burst firepower or combat record of the Defiant. Case in point, Galaxy class Enterprise was taken down by a BoP in Generations ... And everyone found it believable. Defiant survived several battles with minimal or no shields.
Remember, Defiant is a warship ... Officially an escort ... The only Fed ship designed to be a warship. It was designed to fight and defeat the Borg. No other ship can claim that. Ducat calls it the most powerful warship in the quadrant. I can keep going.
- Judge Aaron Satie
said by no one, ever
Have you actually watched with paying attention to what you're talking about?
Tell me, how was the Galaxy taken down by a B'rel in Generations? Sheer firepower? :rolleyes: Or because the Duras sisters had the shield frequency rotation thanks to Geordi's visor?
The Galaxy was shown to blow up chunks the size of it's saucer off a Borg Cube. The Defiant engaged the Borg Cube with an entire fleet and barely survived just enough time for the Sovereign to save their crew.
Case in point, in Star Trek there's a rule - bigger is better. The Defiant is a warship, but not in terms of being more powerfull than ships ten times it's size, but in terms of role - being a bare boned ship that is basically engines attached on weapons, without starndard Starfleet comfort or science facilities and minimal crew in order to minimize casualties because like ddis said - nothing can tank a Borg Cube anyway. They were intended to work in swarms of multiple Defiants stationed around planets and space facilities and deliver a considerable punch for their size as a swarm, while trying to minimize life loss.
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and its not like the bop overpowered the enterprise, though it got hit a lot, the damage was mostly superficial. 'that last torpedo' magically caused the warp core to blow it self up, that's what killed the ship, because plot. also, the enterprise returned fire only once, because plot. instead of blowing that bop away in about a second, with an attack similar to this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=H_XbWq49vUM
.......Dangit
YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME ALIVE COPPER!!
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
There's still a chance they mean to surprise us with something on the day I guess.
Anyways ... the Constellation seems to be one of those things that they keep dangling out there but hasn't materialized. Kind of like crafting and PvP revamp ... enhanced Foundry ...
I have hope that when they need some quick cash they will stick a console on tier III ship and maybe ... buff the Cheyenne with the option to wear Constellation skin. Kind of sad how low my expectations are!
- Judge Aaron Satie
I agree 100% with this post though! Can't see them just springing this one on us a surprise. I am sure they would want to exploit it for publicity by having 1 or 2 blogs ahead of time.
- Judge Aaron Satie