It's a known bug by now that has been mentioned in other threads as well. It seems only some people are getting it or are using some kind of exploit (I don't know), but I'd reckon by now the devs. are well aware and I supose it will be fixed in the next patch on Thursday.
It's funny people need to keep debating what is and what isn't immersion breaking. Could be different for everyone and some don't find it important and some do. What if my justification for the OP was just that I plain old don't like it? I don't like people walking around in swim wear on a space station.
Are you going to tell me that I should like it? These debates which go back and forth ad nauseum in this forum are an utter waste of time and are incredibly tedious.
So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?
No, my preference is for Cryptic to put out bug free programming, but they don't. I don't see how wearing a bikini anywhere you want is a bug that gives you an advantage over anyone- it does not affect gameplay, it's just a costume. When the rechargeable shield battery was around, it also did not give you a gameplay advantage, It only allowed you to save some energy credits. It performed just like a regular battery only you did not have to go out & buy more. Also, it was not a bug- you could just do the mission & pocket the battery as a bonus reward if you chose to. The fact that you had to be KDF to get the battery, angered the hard core Feds that did not want to create a Klingon, so they complained & everyone got the shaft because of it. So no, not all bugs should be reported.
No, my preference is for Cryptic to put out bug free programming, but they don't. I don't see how wearing a bikini anywhere you want is a bug that gives you an advantage over anyone- it does not affect gameplay, it's just a costume. When the rechargeable shield battery was around, it also did not give you a gameplay advantage, It only allowed you to save some energy credits. It performed just like a regular battery only you did not have to go out & buy more. Also, it was not a bug- you could just do the mission & pocket the battery as a bonus reward if you chose to. The fact that you had to be KDF to get the battery, angered the hard core Feds that did not want to create a Klingon, so they complained & everyone got the shaft because of it. So no, not all bugs should be reported.
So again...
"So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?"
...it's what you keep saying. I guess it's kind of pointless for me to keep asking are you sure that's what you're saying, when you keep saying it over and over.
So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?
How on earth is a purely 100% cosmetic bug any kind of advantage?
Its not like its going to make you win or loose a match or get better rewards, it has absolutely ZERO impact beyond aesthetics!
"So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?"
...it's what you keep saying. I guess it's kind of pointless for me to keep asking are you sure that's what you're saying, when you keep saying it over and over.
Perhaps English is not your native language... explain to me how wearing a bikini anywhere I want exploits anything or gives me an advantage over anything or anybody? I believe you're just looking for an argument & I am done with you.
"So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?"
...it's what you keep saying. I guess it's kind of pointless for me to keep asking are you sure that's what you're saying, when you keep saying it over and over.
So your preference is to not read and understand whats in front of you?
...it's what you keep doing. I guess it's kind of pointless for me to even acknowledge your argument, when you keep failing over and over.
There's a really old bug where non-standard uniforms (off-duty, omega force, etc) forget what type of uniform they are. The outfits work fine, but if you go back to edit it, it will default to a normal uniform, and you'll have to select the category and re-make or re-load it. This bug also happens to make your floater invisible if you use it on an affected outfit.
I like that I can pose my Orion next to the Risian emissary on Qo'noS in her swimsuit, but honestly, if they finally fix this bug, I might not mind losing that ability too much. But I bet that even if they fix the problem, already affected uniforms will still be usable anywhere.
Take a look at my Foundry missions! Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
I really don't get the people who claim there is any sense of immersion as thing are.
You can either have customization, or you can have immersion. You can't have both in this kind of game.
The very fact that some players are like 12 and/or are just weird, means that you're going to see garish, immersion breaking costumes. Swimsuits do NOTHING to change that.
And really, we see Orions running around in bikinis all the time. I can walk around barefoot in a borg cube wearing my beachcomber shorts. I can have a head so big that no amount of musculature on my slenderman-esq body could maintain balance, yet combat anyone on equal ground.
Immersion broke at launch. And that's fine. This game went the way of customization. And that has consequences as well as benefits.
I'm not going to delete or edit my original post. I don't mind being "that guy" in this case because it's really immersion breaking for me to see people walking around space stations in swim trunks.
What I really can't stand is all the people that continue to take advantage of bugged stuff and exploits in this game. They should be perma-banned.
But dino's with lasers are ok...........
Didn't they defeted you 70 years ago ????
Fact is, people walking around in swimwear is a thousand times more believable than starfleet officers flying around in bioships and voth/breen/dominion/cardassian ships. :rolleyes:
Canonicly this never happened.
And while starfleet could utilize non-starfleet ships for special covert missions, no captain was ever given a non-federation ship as a permanent command.
What did happen canonicly is that starfleet officers would walk around in swim and casual wear between holodecks or recreational facilities on ships and starbases.
Now obviously they would not beam down into combat situtations in such clothing, but the exact same principle applies to formal wear which is not restricted in any way whatsoever.
I didn't even notice there's a thread about this already going since 6/5 in another sub-forum with screen shots of the gorn I mentioned and many many pages of pointless debates...since this thread is going nowhere fast, mods why not close it or merge it with that one?
im always told if i do not wont to be teamed with afkers leeches i should not pug should not same be said here if you dont like my sexy romulan with borg eye implant in her white bikini? i mean i put a lot of thought in to that color
Sorry to say it, but I am rather hoping that the devs decide that threads pertaining to the whole 'where swim wear can and can't be worn' issue become insta-lock; it's clear that it's one of those issues that some will never see eye-to-eye on.
Yup, it needs to be treated like T5 connie threads.
I am jealous. There is no other way to describe it. If only EVERYONE'S life could be so wonderful and problem-free that a small number of animated non-people walking around a fictional area in a game that's free to play would be the BIGGEST disaster they have. In the OP's town, there is no crime, pollution, hunger, strife, hate, or poverty, since this trivial non-issue of a non-problem has him foaming at the mouth. Maybe he should channel some this outrage in a better direction?
I am jealous. There is no other way to describe it. If only EVERYONE'S life could be so wonderful and problem-free that a small number of animated non-people walking around a fictional area in a game that's free to play would be the BIGGEST disaster they have. In the OP's town, there is no crime, pollution, hunger, strife, hate, or poverty, since this trivial non-issue of a non-problem has him foaming at the mouth. Maybe he should channel some this outrage in a better direction?
lol aren't you the Gorn dude in question? funny guy. anyway, yes, my town. It's called never never land. we think happy thoughts so we can fly and shout "bang-arang Rufio! and laugh and play. ahhhhh. nice.
In the OP's town, there is no crime, pollution, hunger, strife, hate, or poverty, since this trivial non-issue of a non-problem has him foaming at the mouth. Maybe he should channel some this outrage in a better direction?
And I'm sure by pointing out how wrong the op is on the videogame forum, you are actively working toward a better world ? Right ?
I'm not going to delete or edit my original post. I don't mind being "that guy" in this case because it's really immersion breaking for me to see people walking around space stations in swim trunks.
What I really can't stand is all the people that continue to take advantage of bugged stuff and exploits in this game. They should be perma-banned.
That ship has sailed the day Cryptic let each player name their own ship, captain and customize their own toon.
This game has gone sOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO far off star trek that it should be called:
imminsion went out the door the minute i seen my caitian toon on risa in a skirt useign a floater..only to look up the skirt and see she nolonger has panties on <_< >_> lol
Now, a large part of it is from reading the Skyrim forums, but..... wow, am I tired of the phrase "immersion breaking". Talk about an overused buzzword.
(And yeah, one of the big problems is how open to interpretation it is, with every person/playerbase defining it a different way. Based on the crazy dudes on the Skyrim forums - for whom the rare time that the game switches their view to third person just destroys their immersion :rolleyes: - I can't imagine that any MMO could ever be "immersive" - what with the chat boxes, the other players, the names & labels above characters/NPCs/enemies, etc. But on an MMO forum, there's different standards for "immersion". Ditto on the forums for other game genres. Such a pain....)
As mentioned, it's hard to take arguments about immersion and canon seriously, when the universe is full of people flying Breen/Voth/Undine/etc ships with obvious Borg parts hanging off of them.
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Meanwhile, I've been having fun sorting out my newly-purchased cards for the old Star Trek CCG - between the Mirror Mirror, Trouble With Tribbles, and Holodeck sets, I'm looking forward to having Captain Proton, James T. Kirk, and The Intendant flying around in a Pakled ship exploring strange new worlds...... Star Trek games frequently end up pretty wacky, honestly. :P
Now, a large part of it is from reading the Skyrim forums, but..... wow, am I tired of the phrase "immersion breaking". Talk about an overused buzzword.
(And yeah, one of the big problems is how open to interpretation it is, with every person/playerbase defining it a different way. Based on the crazy dudes on the Skyrim forums - for whom the rare time that the game switches their view to third person just destroys their immersion :rolleyes: - I can't imagine that any MMO could ever be "immersive" - what with the chat boxes, the other players, the names & labels above characters/NPCs/enemies, etc. But on an MMO forum, there's different standards for "immersion". Ditto on the forums for other game genres. Such a pain....)
As mentioned, it's hard to take arguments about immersion and canon seriously, when the universe is full of people flying Breen/Voth/Undine/etc ships with obvious Borg parts hanging off of them.
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Meanwhile, I've been having fun sorting out my newly-purchased cards for the old Star Trek CCG - between the Mirror Mirror, Trouble With Tribbles, and Holodeck sets, I'm looking forward to having Captain Proton, James T. Kirk, and The Intendant flying around in a Pakled ship exploring strange new worlds...... Star Trek games frequently end up pretty wacky, honestly. :P
Star Trek CCG is pretty much my standard for how you do wild stuff and keep it Trek.
What it always came down to for me with STCCG was that objects had effects, characters had personalities, and goals/challenges were true to Trek.
You might have a classroom full of children piloting Balok's sphere through the Delta Quadrant, kidnapping and interrogating a crew of Nausicaans flying the Future Enterprise.
But the basic structure was spot on there. Factions were governed by rulesets rather than content/ships. People were exploring. Personalities and skills solved problems. The problems were very authentic like jammed doors, matriachal natives, time anomalies, Q, transporter mishaps, fused conduits, etc. When you wanted an item, an event, a ship, or a crew member, you wanted them there to do what they did on the shows.
Even on the wacky end... It'd be something like distracting your enemies by having Quark-in-drag do a fan dance for them while Thomas Riker ambushed them with a Varon-T disruptor and an Edo drone.
It wasn't at all immersive in terms of the mixes of things you saw but its mechanics were incredibly immersive because everything symbolically represented what it should represent in an episode.
As mentioned, it's hard to take arguments about immersion and canon seriously, when the universe is full of people flying Breen/Voth/Undine/etc ships with obvious Borg parts hanging off of them.
It's a matter of degree.
You're right, there have been and are still divergences in STO from what some think canon.
However, that doesn't mean that we should throw the concept of canon out of the window.
A near miss is better than not even trying to hit the target.
I suppose, in principle, I'm in favour of people wearing whatever they like. I refuse to be straitjacketed by "canon" - it's a big galaxy, full of all sorts of different people with all sorts of different customs, styles, and clothing. The Federation is a free society where people can wear what they like. The Klingon Empire is arguably a less free society, but it sure as heck doesn't have a dress code.
However....
If you see my Orion toon, or my Fed character's Orion boff, around the place, you will almost certainly see them fully dressed. The reason being that, in my mind at least, they spend their time going into potentially hazardous situations - alien ecosystems, unfamiliar atmospheres, inclement weather, and above all people shooting at them - where showing lots of bare skin is unwise, not just inappropriate.
So, y'know... feel free to show up in the Voth battlezone, or in a ground STF, wearing a bikini (at least until the devs knock this exploit on the head). But don't expect me to take you seriously if you do. And don't come crying to me when you get plasma or antiproton burns all over your bare midriff!
I suppose, in principle, I'm in favour of people wearing whatever they like. I refuse to be straitjacketed by "canon" - it's a big galaxy, full of all sorts of different people with all sorts of different customs, styles, and clothing. The Federation is a free society where people can wear what they like. The Klingon Empire is arguably a less free society, but it sure as heck doesn't have a dress code.
However....
If you see my Orion toon, or my Fed character's Orion boff, around the place, you will almost certainly see them fully dressed. The reason being that, in my mind at least, they spend their time going into potentially hazardous situations - alien ecosystems, unfamiliar atmospheres, inclement weather, and above all people shooting at them - where showing lots of bare skin is unwise, not just inappropriate.
So, y'know... feel free to show up in the Voth battlezone, or in a ground STF, wearing a bikini (at least until the devs knock this exploit on the head). But don't expect me to take you seriously if you do. And don't come crying to me when you get plasma or antiproton burns all over your bare midriff!
Agreed as well with my Orion toon, she's known to dress skimiply to "events" such as parties and other get-togethers, and in normal wordribe may be in a pair of pants wearing the orion armored bra deal.... but definitely in combat she's typically decked out in some sort of armor (usually the Adapted HG, though maybe not the helmet). But when stopping by Qo'nos, DS9, or Drozana.... not wearing armor usually, just her "normal" outfit. which consists of pants, boots, and the orion top-armor pieces.
That being said, I love having swimsuits for wearing at Risa now.
"Immersion" is not defined by anyone except CBS Studios and to a lesser extent, Cryptic Studios.
The fans of Star Trek and the players of Star Trek Online do not define what counts as "Immersion". They can have their own various opinions on what "immersion" is and is not, but just like the phrase "Real Star Trek", it is a definition that is not universally agreed-upon by all.
The only definition is the one that the owners of the Star Trek IP and Cryptic Studios says it is. No matter how illogical it might be, it comes down to the simple fact it is a property owned by someone and they decide how it is licensed. Not you, not me, not 'us'.
Clearly this is a bug and must be fixed, and as noted in the dev blogs and elsewhere, the swimwear is not intended to be worn outside of Risa.
Unless anyone here represents the legal owner of the Star Trek intellectual property, it does not matter what your opinion is in regards to the swimwear restrictions in STO. CBS Studios and Cryptic Studios made up their mind on this.
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So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?
If they were to look up, just a little, they might.
Are you going to tell me that I should like it? These debates which go back and forth ad nauseum in this forum are an utter waste of time and are incredibly tedious.
No, my preference is for Cryptic to put out bug free programming, but they don't. I don't see how wearing a bikini anywhere you want is a bug that gives you an advantage over anyone- it does not affect gameplay, it's just a costume. When the rechargeable shield battery was around, it also did not give you a gameplay advantage, It only allowed you to save some energy credits. It performed just like a regular battery only you did not have to go out & buy more. Also, it was not a bug- you could just do the mission & pocket the battery as a bonus reward if you chose to. The fact that you had to be KDF to get the battery, angered the hard core Feds that did not want to create a Klingon, so they complained & everyone got the shaft because of it. So no, not all bugs should be reported.
So again...
"So your preference is to have bugs that you can exploit to your advantage in the game?"
...it's what you keep saying. I guess it's kind of pointless for me to keep asking are you sure that's what you're saying, when you keep saying it over and over.
How on earth is a purely 100% cosmetic bug any kind of advantage?
Its not like its going to make you win or loose a match or get better rewards, it has absolutely ZERO impact beyond aesthetics!
Its harmless fun, nothing more.
Perhaps English is not your native language... explain to me how wearing a bikini anywhere I want exploits anything or gives me an advantage over anything or anybody? I believe you're just looking for an argument & I am done with you.
Ummmm, if you don't want to hear debates on what is and is not immersion breaking, then do not raise immersion breaking as a point.
...it's what you keep doing. I guess it's kind of pointless for me to even acknowledge your argument, when you keep failing over and over.
I like that I can pose my Orion next to the Risian emissary on Qo'noS in her swimsuit, but honestly, if they finally fix this bug, I might not mind losing that ability too much. But I bet that even if they fix the problem, already affected uniforms will still be usable anywhere.
Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
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You can either have customization, or you can have immersion. You can't have both in this kind of game.
The very fact that some players are like 12 and/or are just weird, means that you're going to see garish, immersion breaking costumes. Swimsuits do NOTHING to change that.
And really, we see Orions running around in bikinis all the time. I can walk around barefoot in a borg cube wearing my beachcomber shorts. I can have a head so big that no amount of musculature on my slenderman-esq body could maintain balance, yet combat anyone on equal ground.
Immersion broke at launch. And that's fine. This game went the way of customization. And that has consequences as well as benefits.
But dino's with lasers are ok...........
Didn't they defeted you 70 years ago ????
Canonicly this never happened.
And while starfleet could utilize non-starfleet ships for special covert missions, no captain was ever given a non-federation ship as a permanent command.
What did happen canonicly is that starfleet officers would walk around in swim and casual wear between holodecks or recreational facilities on ships and starbases.
Now obviously they would not beam down into combat situtations in such clothing, but the exact same principle applies to formal wear which is not restricted in any way whatsoever.
system Lord Baal is dead
Yup, it needs to be treated like T5 connie threads.
lol aren't you the Gorn dude in question? funny guy. anyway, yes, my town. It's called never never land. we think happy thoughts so we can fly and shout "bang-arang Rufio! and laugh and play. ahhhhh. nice.
That ship has sailed the day Cryptic let each player name their own ship, captain and customize their own toon.
This game has gone sOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO far off star trek that it should be called:
A Star Trek parody
/immersion!!11! realisms!!!11!1!
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
ya i want the betazoid wedding outfit!!!!
system Lord Baal is dead
(And yeah, one of the big problems is how open to interpretation it is, with every person/playerbase defining it a different way. Based on the crazy dudes on the Skyrim forums - for whom the rare time that the game switches their view to third person just destroys their immersion :rolleyes: - I can't imagine that any MMO could ever be "immersive" - what with the chat boxes, the other players, the names & labels above characters/NPCs/enemies, etc. But on an MMO forum, there's different standards for "immersion". Ditto on the forums for other game genres. Such a pain....)
As mentioned, it's hard to take arguments about immersion and canon seriously, when the universe is full of people flying Breen/Voth/Undine/etc ships with obvious Borg parts hanging off of them.
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Meanwhile, I've been having fun sorting out my newly-purchased cards for the old Star Trek CCG - between the Mirror Mirror, Trouble With Tribbles, and Holodeck sets, I'm looking forward to having Captain Proton, James T. Kirk, and The Intendant flying around in a Pakled ship exploring strange new worlds...... Star Trek games frequently end up pretty wacky, honestly. :P
Star Trek CCG is pretty much my standard for how you do wild stuff and keep it Trek.
What it always came down to for me with STCCG was that objects had effects, characters had personalities, and goals/challenges were true to Trek.
You might have a classroom full of children piloting Balok's sphere through the Delta Quadrant, kidnapping and interrogating a crew of Nausicaans flying the Future Enterprise.
But the basic structure was spot on there. Factions were governed by rulesets rather than content/ships. People were exploring. Personalities and skills solved problems. The problems were very authentic like jammed doors, matriachal natives, time anomalies, Q, transporter mishaps, fused conduits, etc. When you wanted an item, an event, a ship, or a crew member, you wanted them there to do what they did on the shows.
Even on the wacky end... It'd be something like distracting your enemies by having Quark-in-drag do a fan dance for them while Thomas Riker ambushed them with a Varon-T disruptor and an Edo drone.
It wasn't at all immersive in terms of the mixes of things you saw but its mechanics were incredibly immersive because everything symbolically represented what it should represent in an episode.
It's a matter of degree.
You're right, there have been and are still divergences in STO from what some think canon.
However, that doesn't mean that we should throw the concept of canon out of the window.
A near miss is better than not even trying to hit the target.
However....
If you see my Orion toon, or my Fed character's Orion boff, around the place, you will almost certainly see them fully dressed. The reason being that, in my mind at least, they spend their time going into potentially hazardous situations - alien ecosystems, unfamiliar atmospheres, inclement weather, and above all people shooting at them - where showing lots of bare skin is unwise, not just inappropriate.
So, y'know... feel free to show up in the Voth battlezone, or in a ground STF, wearing a bikini (at least until the devs knock this exploit on the head). But don't expect me to take you seriously if you do. And don't come crying to me when you get plasma or antiproton burns all over your bare midriff!
Agreed as well with my Orion toon, she's known to dress skimiply to "events" such as parties and other get-togethers, and in normal wordribe may be in a pair of pants wearing the orion armored bra deal.... but definitely in combat she's typically decked out in some sort of armor (usually the Adapted HG, though maybe not the helmet). But when stopping by Qo'nos, DS9, or Drozana.... not wearing armor usually, just her "normal" outfit. which consists of pants, boots, and the orion top-armor pieces.
That being said, I love having swimsuits for wearing at Risa now.
The fans of Star Trek and the players of Star Trek Online do not define what counts as "Immersion". They can have their own various opinions on what "immersion" is and is not, but just like the phrase "Real Star Trek", it is a definition that is not universally agreed-upon by all.
The only definition is the one that the owners of the Star Trek IP and Cryptic Studios says it is. No matter how illogical it might be, it comes down to the simple fact it is a property owned by someone and they decide how it is licensed. Not you, not me, not 'us'.
Clearly this is a bug and must be fixed, and as noted in the dev blogs and elsewhere, the swimwear is not intended to be worn outside of Risa.
Unless anyone here represents the legal owner of the Star Trek intellectual property, it does not matter what your opinion is in regards to the swimwear restrictions in STO. CBS Studios and Cryptic Studios made up their mind on this.
Get over it.