You'd be surprised at how many people out there don't have half a brain. Go check out the stories on "not always right".
The average people out there are so dumb they couldn't find their way thru a revolving door without a note pinned to their chests and someone along to read them the note and explain each step.
The most people i know who open boxes do it because they can sell the insides of it to make ingame cash...
when i do like 20 STFs im maybe lucky i can get my hands on 1-2 purples... i can sell them for like 500k to 1 million...
based on that math i would still need like 200-100 days to make 100 million EC and only if i am lucky and people buy my stuff.
that said i can understand people trying their luck o gambling ...
(( P.S. dont tell me about dilithium grind with multiple characters, A.) not everyone has multiple characters .. B.) you need dilithium for almost everything ingame...reputation stuff , fleet stuff and so on... and C.) the refine limit is nuts.... ))
The most people i know who open boxes do it because they can sell the insides of it to make ingame cash...
Opening Boxes for selling Items sounds like a really really bad Strategy ... the only thing worth more than 2,5 Million EC is probably the Ship (and maybe Fluidic Antiproton Beam Arrays)
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My point is, anyone with half a brain before just pissing off money at least would do some research.
And my point is, look around at the world we live in and tell me how many people you really believe have that much brain to work with based on their actions?
Haunt trading channels/the forums and learn. Flipping things works...I went looking for a Mirror Mogai, they'd been selling at 800k each for a bit. Found 3 at 400k, bought all 3, put 2 up for sale at 799k. When all was said and done I had my Mogai and more EC than I'd started with.
same guy who has a system for winning at black jack lol
Blackjack and poker by extension is nothing but mathematics at it's best and playing probability.
Slots on the other hand which is a random number generator telling you if you will win or not.
Slots and lock boxes, basically luck RNG smiles upon you.
So this was an Apples and Oranges argument.
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And my point is, look around at the world we live in and tell me how many people you really believe have that much brain to work with based on their actions?
I myself can only say "nothing in a game is worth that i spend more than 20 bucks in a month on" ....
dont get me wrong i pay cash in games...sometime si buy a ship (( guramba siege destroyer i.e )) and most fo the time i buy services... BOFF slots , EC increase , Account bank... outfit slots , Costumes .. and so on....
but before i buy something worth more than 20 bucks in one month i rather hang myself...
where i live you can buy food for 2 days for 20 bucks...so if i spend this in game okay... but more than that? no...
but it seems the average of players is extremely rich when i see single people obtaining 50 ships a day through that advertisement message...or people selling 300 Master keys...
based on that i ask myself how all the economy statistics show that so many peopel in the US or Europe are poor.. if they can buy so much stuff in games including lifetime /monthly and bundles...
The likelyhood of not getting a box after 200 tries with a probability of 0.5% is 99.5%.
It's pr. box, not overall stats.
This. I was not that good in math back at school, and I positively hated statistics. But I remember it doesn't add up. If you have 0.5% chance to "win", then you have 0.5% everytime you open a box, and it's not rising, even if you open a thousand box, you'll always have 0.5% chance.
I personally opened about 200-300 boxes since they were first released, and I'm still waiting on opening a ship. I'm not trying it for the ship anyway, I know I will not have it. I want the lobis, and I have a lot of dil/ec anyway.
Ahh, the old 1:70 scam, 1:200 still a scam, odds are not real, if you soend at least $2000.00 per month and are a gold member then you can get a lock box ship every 200 boxes... the account is "augmented" any argument counter to this is either misinformed or a lie.
Want the fun of the gamble? open lock boxes, want the gear/ship/whatever, sell keys on exchange PERIOD.
The Devs have obscured the actual odds and chances for lock box ships from the start, atari and PWE did this, so I cant complain about PWE's non BBB status on this one with ya, luck has very little to do with it however, mommies credit card and being an idiot however does...
The likelyhood of not getting a box after 200 tries with a probability of 0.5% is 99.5%.
It's pr. box, not overall stats.
No, he's right. The probability of not getting a ship 200 times in a row is 36.7%. Now, while you are right that the probability of not getting a ship on the 200th box is 99.5%, just like any other box, the likelihood that ALL of the 200 boxes would be not-grand-prizes is only 36.7%. It's just like getting two heads in a row is 25% probability, while the probability of getting that second heads is 50%.
And actually, you have slightly better odds at getting one ship in 200 boxes at .5% chance than no ships: 37.1%.
Oh, and the probability of winning 200 ships in 200 boxes (or even 199) is so small that my calculator rounds it to 0%
Honestly I've got no sympathy for people who gamble, lose and then complain.
Nobody forced you to open lockboxes or spend your money, you went into knowing full well that it is not a surefire way of obtaining a ship.
Plenty of people take the risk and have a bit of a gamble, I have myself, but don't embarrass yourself by coming here and complaining you didn't win.
As you say - and rightly so - "it's not a surefire way of obtaining a ship" and "Plenty of people take the risk and have a bit of a gamble".
It's all in three of those words "risk" & "gamble". Acknowledging this would be the first step for those players who visit the forum to complain that they didn't get what they wanted.
So OP, you opened 200 boxes and didn't get the ship you wanted. Fine - but don't imply that you received NOTHING. At the very least, you've got a health balance of lobi in your inventory.
hell with the odds of getting higher lobi than 4 multiple times in those 200 tries, he should have enough lobi just to buy the damn ship outright.
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No, he's right. The probability of not getting a ship 200 times in a row is 36.7%. Now, while you are right that the probability of not getting a ship on the 200th box is 99.5%, just like any other box, the likelihood that ALL of the 200 boxes would be not-grand-prizes is only 36.7%. It's just like getting two heads in a row is 25% probability, while the probability of getting that second heads is 50%.
And actually, you have slightly better odds at getting one ship in 200 boxes at .5% chance than no ships: 37.1%.
Oh, and the probability of winning 200 ships in 200 boxes (or even 199) is so small that my calculator rounds it to 0%
I agree that the odds are a lot lower in 200 boxes. I suspect I have opened over that amount in 2 years, and never saw a special ship. But then as I said upthread, I don't go into it considering the ships the only prize useful or interesting to me. I also see it as paying to reduce the amount of work it takes to make dilithium, EC, CXP, fleet credits, marks, build up my DOFF system etc. depending on how I put the other items that come out of the boxes to use. (And I have also kitted out two ships on energy weapons entirely from the boxes as a quick way to get the job done.)
I watch how much I spend on it, of course. But taking that mindset to it is very useful to curbing excess because it takes a more realistic look at what my dollar or my dil-to-zen is really worth: shortcutting grind work. Generally no more, always no less.
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Yeah, I've heard it all too. But i just can not fathom why people do no not do more research into what what they are investing in. I'm sure you've heard the old term about a fool and his money and how they are soon departed. Can you imagine these such folks working on wall street? My point in all of this, take a few min, ask some ppl, do a bit of research. it could save you hundreds of dollars, and when you do get your ship you don't have to whine to the whole world about how much of a sucker you are. Yes i know this is Cryptics/PWE's bread and butter, but with a little common logic and just maybe 10-20 min of research it is "WAY" preventable. So i will never shed a tear for these folks.
The Lockbox game heavily hits the newer players or those that don't know the in's & out's of it. How many times on these boards have we seen players complain about paying a lot of money trying to get a Lockbox ship, and you see their registration date, low post count, etc. and you realize, most of these guys are newbies. And they've been had and now they're pissed off.
But that's okay.
Cryptic got the big money anyways and it's all good regardless if that player sticks around or leaves in anger for his major losses.
The Lockbox game heavily hits the newer players or those that don't know the in's & out's of it. How many times on these boards have we seen players complain about paying a lot of money trying to get a Lockbox ship, and you see their registration date, low post count, etc. and you realize, most of these guys are newbies. And they've been had and now they're pissed off.
But that's okay.
Cryptic got the big money anyways and it's all good regardless if that player sticks around or leaves in anger for his major losses.
If someone is about to gamble a lot of money, they should do some research first. That is just being sensible.
I saved 781 Lobi for a Jem Dread. Two keys left. Box #1; Jem Heavy Escort and 20 Lobi. My last key, "TRIBBLE it" I thought and opened an Undine lockbox, and there was a Nicor. No real world money, dil-zen-key conversions. 3 shiny and high EC valued ships, all in a matter on minutes (relatively speaking). Sometimes you are dealt a busted straight, other times you get a royal flush.
You know what the moral is? Don't waste real world money, save it for food and rent. The keys can be gotten via farming and exchanges.
Time is a funny thing; There is always too much of it. Except when you need it the most, then there is never enough.
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There is only one winner with lockboxes......
:rolleyes:
*laughing all the way to the bank everyday*
dunno if they are hacking or something.
well how do you make like 100 million EC ???
The most people i know who open boxes do it because they can sell the insides of it to make ingame cash...
when i do like 20 STFs im maybe lucky i can get my hands on 1-2 purples... i can sell them for like 500k to 1 million...
based on that math i would still need like 200-100 days to make 100 million EC and only if i am lucky and people buy my stuff.
that said i can understand people trying their luck o gambling ...
(( P.S. dont tell me about dilithium grind with multiple characters, A.) not everyone has multiple characters .. B.) you need dilithium for almost everything ingame...reputation stuff , fleet stuff and so on... and C.) the refine limit is nuts.... ))
Buying Keys with Zen (what he did) but sell them on the Exchange instead of opening Boxes (1 Key = 2,6 Million EC)
=> absolutely no reason to try your luck, if you "just" wan't the Ship
PS : like others have said the Keys he bought, were worth ~500 Million EC
Opening Boxes for selling Items sounds like a really really bad Strategy ... the only thing worth more than 2,5 Million EC is probably the Ship (and maybe Fluidic Antiproton Beam Arrays)
And my point is, look around at the world we live in and tell me how many people you really believe have that much brain to work with based on their actions?
Haunt trading channels/the forums and learn. Flipping things works...I went looking for a Mirror Mogai, they'd been selling at 800k each for a bit. Found 3 at 400k, bought all 3, put 2 up for sale at 799k. When all was said and done I had my Mogai and more EC than I'd started with.
Blackjack and poker by extension is nothing but mathematics at it's best and playing probability.
Slots on the other hand which is a random number generator telling you if you will win or not.
Slots and lock boxes, basically luck RNG smiles upon you.
So this was an Apples and Oranges argument.
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not to many would be my first guess :P
dont get me wrong i pay cash in games...sometime si buy a ship (( guramba siege destroyer i.e )) and most fo the time i buy services... BOFF slots , EC increase , Account bank... outfit slots , Costumes .. and so on....
but before i buy something worth more than 20 bucks in one month i rather hang myself...
where i live you can buy food for 2 days for 20 bucks...so if i spend this in game okay... but more than that? no...
but it seems the average of players is extremely rich when i see single people obtaining 50 ships a day through that advertisement message...or people selling 300 Master keys...
based on that i ask myself how all the economy statistics show that so many peopel in the US or Europe are poor.. if they can buy so much stuff in games including lifetime /monthly and bundles...
Thank you for the explanation, I really need every snarky comment disected by Rain Man.
*gets you some undies at K-Mart*
No?
The likelyhood of not getting a box after 200 tries with a probability of 0.5% is 99.5%.
It's pr. box, not overall stats.
I personally opened about 200-300 boxes since they were first released, and I'm still waiting on opening a ship. I'm not trying it for the ship anyway, I know I will not have it. I want the lobis, and I have a lot of dil/ec anyway.
Want the fun of the gamble? open lock boxes, want the gear/ship/whatever, sell keys on exchange PERIOD.
The Devs have obscured the actual odds and chances for lock box ships from the start, atari and PWE did this, so I cant complain about PWE's non BBB status on this one with ya, luck has very little to do with it however, mommies credit card and being an idiot however does...
No, he's right. The probability of not getting a ship 200 times in a row is 36.7%. Now, while you are right that the probability of not getting a ship on the 200th box is 99.5%, just like any other box, the likelihood that ALL of the 200 boxes would be not-grand-prizes is only 36.7%. It's just like getting two heads in a row is 25% probability, while the probability of getting that second heads is 50%.
And actually, you have slightly better odds at getting one ship in 200 boxes at .5% chance than no ships: 37.1%.
Oh, and the probability of winning 200 ships in 200 boxes (or even 199) is so small that my calculator rounds it to 0%
Nobody forced you to open lockboxes or spend your money, you went into knowing full well that it is not a surefire way of obtaining a ship.
Plenty of people take the risk and have a bit of a gamble, I have myself, but don't embarrass yourself by coming here and complaining you didn't win.
hell with the odds of getting higher lobi than 4 multiple times in those 200 tries, he should have enough lobi just to buy the damn ship outright.
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I agree that the odds are a lot lower in 200 boxes. I suspect I have opened over that amount in 2 years, and never saw a special ship. But then as I said upthread, I don't go into it considering the ships the only prize useful or interesting to me. I also see it as paying to reduce the amount of work it takes to make dilithium, EC, CXP, fleet credits, marks, build up my DOFF system etc. depending on how I put the other items that come out of the boxes to use. (And I have also kitted out two ships on energy weapons entirely from the boxes as a quick way to get the job done.)
I watch how much I spend on it, of course. But taking that mindset to it is very useful to curbing excess because it takes a more realistic look at what my dollar or my dil-to-zen is really worth: shortcutting grind work. Generally no more, always no less.
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The Lockbox game heavily hits the newer players or those that don't know the in's & out's of it. How many times on these boards have we seen players complain about paying a lot of money trying to get a Lockbox ship, and you see their registration date, low post count, etc. and you realize, most of these guys are newbies. And they've been had and now they're pissed off.
But that's okay.
Cryptic got the big money anyways and it's all good regardless if that player sticks around or leaves in anger for his major losses.
If someone is about to gamble a lot of money, they should do some research first. That is just being sensible.
If they cant be bothered to do that...
You know what the moral is? Don't waste real world money, save it for food and rent. The keys can be gotten via farming and exchanges.