What people will find more patethic here is that you cannot accept being wrong about many things and are going to lead beginners in a wall realy fast.
I admit some here have been rude from start but hey ! you wanna go public, teach some stuff ? be ready for it sir & accept it
if you cannot admit when you are wrong, imagine if everyone you try to teach anything is doing like you... I'm not clairvoyant but I can already predict you a big mess around !
have fun anyway
wrong about what ?...have any of you been in my class and heard what i teach......no you havent ..not one of you
I see the Gibbs group pointing out lot of things that have nothing to do with teaching a new player the basics...as i have pointed out
When Mr Gibbs was in our teamspeak and if he had listened more and talked less he would understand a lot more than he does
Frankley someone who cant top 5k DPS in a jem Hadar attack ship doesnt impress me a lot when my cruiser tank is pushing much more than that
Mr Gibbs wanst considered seasoned enough to teach new players the basics...his posts clearly point that out time and again as well..............His performance in the sTFs we conducted showed it as well.
any builds posted on the web site arnt even used in the class.......wow didnt know that huh
Because every student has a differnt ship Race and needs dependent on his current equipment and ship as well as his skills.....which usuallay are a total mess
not to mention lack of dilithium/zen/EC
you can offer broad advice but each student has differnt needs and the instructor has to be able to adapt to his students needs for that student to benifit from the class
imo Mr gibbs did not have this requirement to be a instructor ( Adaptability )
And that and that alone is what this smear campaign is all about................
and point out anything I am wrong about in the context of this class....especially because you havent attended the class..I will find your conclusions most interesting based on your totlal lack of knowledge of what your talking about
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
And as Oricolawle linked above. Porchsong has the 5th highest DPS ever recorded, and he is one of the Admins of the DPS channels.
Akkkkk. . .. .I've been outed!!!
But, you should have realized that with my last sentence that I was trolling.
Now back to reality. . . .
First, I did 16k with my avenger with what came on the ship when unboxed with simple "fill-in's" of TRIBBLE white/green gear--just to show people you can. So yes, you can do significant dps without ubergear.
Now for the builds offered here, they are "anti" dps builds focused entirely on the wrong things. You see, if you are going to be a dps'r, then be the best dps'r you can be and be pure dps. Same with sci, same with eng. When you try to be "all around" you end up being mediocre. Hyperfocus. Your best defense as a dps'r is overwhelming offense--kill them before they can shoot back.
As for teaching, we have been doing "boot-camps" for well over a year. I have done whiteboards with Teamspeak explanations numerous times. Just taking one of our builds and jumping into an stf without understanding what you are doing, and how things work in synergy is foolish. What we do has taken time, massive testing, tons of practice. That is how we did ISE in 61 seconds, start to finish.
But, it is disturbing to see threads that teach people the wrong things. Although I appreciate the thread for making the attempt--so kuddos. But, spreading ignorance only makes for massive re-training in the dps channels--and it gets old.
We are not and have never been elitist in our channels--in fact we kick people we see that are. Our ethos has always been to help others--not just give them builds (which we freely do), but help them understand why we built them the way we do. Then they have a base from which they themselves can build off of.
But, I wouldn't listen to me. . . .I'm just a troll. . . .
The first problem here is that there is no such ability as A2B. Written out, that's Aux Two Battery. Unless you think the ability is Auxiliary Power to the Number Two Emergency Battery? Either way, you're wrong. It's ATB. Get it right or pay the price.
That last part killed me! "Pay the price", trololololol, hilarious.
If we're going to your level of stupid crazy nit-picking, shouldn't we say you're an idiot? In general, acronyms drop words like the, of, at, and, to, etc. all the time. Therefore wouldn't it be AB? Oh noes, now you must pay the price!
But me, I like A2B, it has a nice look and feel to it. Now, what's this price I'm supposed to pay?
Anyway, DPS e-peen comparison is not necessary. There are so many ways to manipulate DPS even I could break 30k+ with the right team. I tend to agree with this fleet's policy of "dps parsers being for personal use only".
What matters is that there are competent people giving good advice. I haven't been impressed by those on the defending side...
what you arnt mentioning is your space duty officers
marion
battery officer
helmsman
and a few more that increse your defenses and damage
all of which cost hundreds of millions
lets not forget your most likely maxed out in all of the rep systems
lets not forget the defensive and offensive powers your maxed out damage and defense accolaydes give you
A new level 50 has none of this and to put a new level 50 into a strait dps build isnt teaching
Its Trolling
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
also.... look at that build..... Cannon Rapid Fire 1 with no cannons on the build.
I wasn't going to say anything, but I looked at the ship builds they recommend. I can see why their leader hates parsers. He'd perform no better than a common pug with ships like those.
I'm sorry to the people who have enrolled in these classes... knowing you need help is the first step. The game doesn't explain much, and doesn't help by showing you terribad ships like the Enterprise-E.
But there are resources for getting help that don't involve crazy people with weird, wrong ideas about how to play.
But, you should have realized that with my last sentence that I was trolling.
Now back to reality. . . .
First, I did 16k with my avenger with what came on the ship when unboxed with simple "fill-in's" of TRIBBLE white/green gear--just to show people you can. So yes, you can do significant dps without ubergear.
Now for the builds offered here, they are "anti" dps builds focused entirely on the wrong things. You see, if you are going to be a dps'r, then be the best dps'r you can be and be pure dps. Same with sci, same with eng. When you try to be "all around" you end up being mediocre. Hyperfocus. Your best defense as a dps'r is overwhelming offense--kill them before they can shoot back.
As for teaching, we have been doing "boot-camps" for well over a year. I have done whiteboards with Teamspeak explanations numerous times. Just taking one of our builds and jumping into an stf without understanding what you are doing, and how things work in synergy is foolish. What we do has taken time, massive testing, tons of practice. That is how we did ISE in 61 seconds, start to finish.
But, it is disturbing to see threads that teach people the wrong things. Although I appreciate the thread for making the attempt--so kuddos. But, spreading ignorance only makes for massive re-training in the dps channels--and it gets old.
We are not and have never been elitist in our channels--in fact we kick people we see that are. Our ethos has always been to help others--not just give them builds (which we freely do), but help them understand why we built them the way we do. Then they have a base from which they themselves can build off of.
But, I wouldn't listen to me. . . .I'm just a troll. . . .
Sry
You and your fellow DPS admins are great at helping out players. Back when I first joined the DPS channels, I was having some issues with timing on my scimi, managed to get that worked out thanks to you guys, and worked myself upto DPS-30k. I've taken what I learned in there and what I've read online over the years and tested to see what and what doesn't work to help quite a few out within my fleet, and help them get up in your channels aswell.
This is a wiki that some of us at /r/stobuilds have been working on for a bit. it's still a work in progress with new guides and builds being added everyday.
But me, I like A2B, it has a nice look and feel to it.
That's awesome and all - except for the fact that there's no number two in the ability. So it isn't A2B. It's ATB. Which, I assure you, is far easier to type than A2B is - and much more accurate! It's win-win.
The weapons are FREE from the Fluid Dynamics missions.
The deflector, engines and shields are FREE from the Cardassian Struggle missions. (yes it does a flat polaron boost, yet it does have many other benefits that are not that. You can always replay for the mk XI dominion polaron beam arrays. FOR FREE.
The antiproton Mag Regulators are 20k a piece,
the Engineering consoles are FREE from Secret Orders.
The Subspace Field Modulator is from the mission Skirmish.... for free.
The Mk XI Shield Emitter Amplifiers are FREE from Tear of the Prophets in the Cardassian Struggle episode.
oh.... whats that? Not Aux to Bat? Yup! Perfectly legitimate!
Lets see here. The toatal investment for the build: 1.26 Million EC
a majority of this will come from loot drops while running the missions
No reputation. Career specific traits
DPS estimate: 6k in ISE
Build listed, no reputation gear, no fancy traits, only career specifics.
CombatLogReaderInfected Space[7:44] Dmg(DPS)
Nick 5 376 956(12 681)
Vein 3 469 163(7 993) Gibbs 2 526 596(6 207)
Skull 1 154 410(4 008)
Dave 993 473(3 461)
So since you went and pulled your name from your fleet webpage because you know those builds are not good, and people are realizing that this is a joke how about you own up to your shortcomings.
I listened plenty in your teamspeak, and I heard enough to know that you guys have no idea what you're doing. You told me exactly what you guys are teaching, and you have the builds on your page. It was you guys who called me combative if my views conflicted with yours, and got all up in arms when what I said proved to be better
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
for some reason when i made tht it wouldnt let me correct the cannon ability with a second bfaw................. !
I dont use those in my class so i havent been back to correct it...perhps i will try to fix it later
I dont use those in the class anyway and pretty much gave up on making any more builds there because they take so long
But seriously is a typo all you got ?
?
Weak
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
This isn't about typos, rather its about the shoddy, terribly put together, jokes of builds you are telling 'fresh level 50's' to use. If you claim to not use those builds, why are they still there? you clearly had the time to hide your name from those misanthropes. Why not fix them instead? These aren't typos on the builds, Its poor workmanship, and bad gameplay.
On my build I put there, it's cheaper than any builds you have, more DPS capable, and is attainable for all players. It's already higher than the minimum DPS requirements for any of the queues, and double or even triple of the majority of your fleet.
Sounds like you're quite butthurt
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
But he's not telling people to use them, he says he does not teach that particular one in his class because it is a broken entry he can't fix.
Its not hard to fix any of that. Anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of HTML or PHP can fix that. Its not about one build, but its about every single build on the page, every idea they bring up. Furthermore, if you gateway their builds, you see them using mixed energy types, outdated weapons, overall stricken with Mad Nooberish Disease.
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
Being a person who was there and who heard everything I would say.
1. Mr G is a PVPer, his friends, and Fleet are all Elite PvPers according to him. So why does a PVPer want to teach people how spec for PVP when the focus is PVE .
2 A Debuff DOff (never saw the need in STFs for one)over a CON officer is a PVP option.
Science Team over a Transfer Shield is a PVP option.
Running with No hazards is ok for PVP but not the STFs.
Maxing out your Torpedoes not even sure if thats good for PVP or PVE.
3.
What DPS has to do with teaching people to survive in the STFs, you got me.3.
However this all started with Mr G who posted in reply several post ago his DPS is 10K .
With that said I like the ACT parser, I was the one who did the parse and it was 4.5K.
However with the new feel good parser that counts shield damage that would equal to 10K.
If I had a JHAS I would not be using phasers on it.
I would also be sure my DPS was 10K or higher with ACT and 20k or higher with the new parser, prior to throwing stones.
3. Beginners need options beside knowing what you learned in the stories.
I dont see any suggestion that are valid by the PVP group trying to do PVP in the forums.
Saying that stinks doesn't mean you have the answer.
Saying as a new player I suggest using a power insulator instead of a field generator.
That would helpful from getting your shields drain.
Its easy to bash others, the true worth comes from contributions that have value and help people.
4. Just think all this is all because someone told Mr G this was for PvE and not a PVP class.
That he could observe until he could do a practice class that was focused on PvE and not PVP builds.
Getting angry threatening others just because all you really wanted and did not want to wait for a title is not cool.
This isn't about typos, rather its about the shoddy, terribly put together, jokes of builds you are telling 'fresh level 50's' to use. If you claim to not use those builds, why are they still there? you clearly had the time to hide your name from those misanthropes. Why not fix them instead? These aren't typos on the builds, Its poor workmanship, and bad gameplay.
On my build I put there, it's cheaper than any builds you have, more DPS capable, and is attainable for all players. It's already higher than the minimum DPS requirements for any of the queues, and double or even triple of the majority of your fleet.
Sounds like you're quite butthurt
builds i dont use......you got me there..........joke ? except for the typo its good build and very cheep with ec to make up ...check the prices on the exchange verses there effectiviness
your build has terrible power issues broadside 3 dual beam banks up front might help you out
your build requires a level 50 to do how many dog gone hours of repet missions to put together ?...A lot... i dont even wnt to count it up
you space set does not complimet your weapon choices
The exchange space set is much better and costs 150k ec to buy your space set requires 3 missions
and benifits polarons................. not APB's
my build a new player can put together with about 4 foundry Ec missions depending on the alignment of the moon on the exchange..prices change a lot....so 40 minutes ..10 minutes each over 4 days
and another thing...a new level 50 will hardly ever get crit...so the 20% bonus from the APB's really isnt a great benifit
another thing that build is on a very advanced character...with traits thats cost millions...that means you have the accolade passives a new player doesnt have
just remember the people we teach are brand new or in trouble from many differnt parts of the game
and most of them are in level 40 ships across 3 races of ships...thats why i gave up making builds ...and do one on one with each student
but seriously are these builds the only thing you got ?
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
what you arnt mentioning is your space duty officers
marion
battery officer
helmsman
and a few more that increse your defenses and damage
all of which cost hundreds of millions
lets not forget your most likely maxed out in all of the rep systems
lets not forget the defensive and offensive powers your maxed out damage and defense accolaydes give you
A new level 50 has none of this and to put a new level 50 into a strait dps build isnt teaching
Its Trolling
If we talk about a new char and if around 20k max-potential at some point in the future, all you need are 3 Damage control engineers, not more. A warpcore engineer can help too. Those are all not too pricy and can also be obtained via the Doff-System.
What you said are the Doffs you use too really get every last drop of dps, the last 3-5%. The 90% before, as i said, 3 DCE.
To believe Marion is a must-have and 8 beams cant be sustained by a new char, is just wrong. Just recently leveled one char on a Gal-X with no help from my other chars, didnt have any problems with such things.
Seeing the whole builds just let me hope you want to troll, because if not, its just a very,very sad story.
Just going by everything on the site linked, me, as someone who has played a bit, would not tell me as a new player, to go to this boot camp. If even half the things said in this thread are true I wouldn't go to this either. But I haven't been to the classes, so my opinion.
You know what, to any new guys reading this thread go to this camp or not, your choice, but here is what you need to know.
That lists off every piece of gear you can get from replaying episodes at level 50. Worth it, until you get good enough that you don't need the gear, or get into the reputations. Also, the rest of this wiki is good information as well.
Not everyone will agree with that guide as being the best (in fact the author says it isn't), but its good enough for you to survive. Cruisers can pretty much adapt the escort build linked here, in particular the assault cruiser, or you can take some stuff from the PvP build there. Use your brain matter, and ask for help if you need it.
Check the budget builds this guy has. An alternate view from Hilbert up above. May be a bit dated, but it should all still work.
For science ships, honestly, I would not fly a science ship as a new player, they are not a straight ahead experience in general, and require more thought than target and kill in general. Please note I said science ship, not science captain. But science ships, might want to find someone to apprentice to.
I was going to write this out, but the link above covers it pretty well. I will add that in Infected, The Cure and Khitomer space, gravity wells are well worth it if you can fit them. They can save your team if you blow a nanite generator early or if you don't quite have enough
DPS, and anyone doing probe duty in Khitomer space should probably have it as a fresh lvl 50.
Hopefully this helps someone out. Bottom line, you don't need anything fancy to win at PvE in this game. Just practice a bit and learn the stuff above and you'll be fine.
Being a person who was there and who heard everything I would say.
1. Mr Gibbs is a PVPer, his friends, and Fleet are all Elite PvPers according to him. So why does a PVPer want to teach people how spec for PVP when the focus is PVE .
Tis true that a few of us PvP, but we still do quite a bit of PvE.
2 A Debuff DOff (never saw the need in STFs for one)over a CON officer is a PVP option.
Science Team over a Transfer Shield is a PVP option.
Running with No hazards is ok for PVP but not the STFs.
Maxing out your Torpedoes not even sure if thats good for PVP or PVE.
-A Warp Core Engineer for debuff removal or power boost over a Conn Officer is quite logical when you already have two tac teams (or 1 with Aux2Bat). +10 to Attack Patterns isn't enough to warrant the boost either Warp Core Engineer can provide.
-Science team provides a mediocre shield heal, but clears off quite a few debuffs, and it doesn't require Aux power. Transfer Shield Strength requires Aux power, so when you run an Aux2Bat boat, it does very little compared to Science Team.
-Running without Hazard Emitters is something we never do. That's one of the core things we put on any build.
-Once again, something that we would almost never do. The only times Gibbs would even max out torps would be on his wells control build for PvP. He'd never do that in PvE.
3.
What DPS has to do with teaching people to survive in the STFs, you got me.3.
However this all started with Mr Gibbs who posted in reply several post ago his DPS is 10K .
With that said I like the ACT parser, I was the one who did the parse and it was 4.5K.
However with the new feel good parser that counts shield damage that would equal to 10K.
If I had a JHAS I would not be using phasers on it.
I would also be sure my DPS was 10K or higher with ACT and 20k or higher with the new parser, prior to throwing stones.
-The Combatlog Reader provides a very accurate measure for STO. With how you guys feel about parsing, I imagine you don't like it because it has a leaderboard option, which could be "embarrassing" as you put on your site.
-He users phasers on there typically for PvP, phasers can still do decent in PvE, any dmg type can.
3. Beginners need options beside knowing what you learned in the stories.
I dont see any suggestion that are valid by the PVP group trying to do PVP in the forums.
Saying that stinks doesn't mean you have the answer.
Many of those replying to you in here mainly do PvE, yes a few of us do PvP, but we know how to build ships for either side.
Its easy to bash others, the true worth comes from contributions that have value and help people.
4. Just think all this is all because someone told Mr Gibbs this was for PvE and not a PVP class.
That he could observe until he could do a practice class that was focused on PvE and not PVP builds.
Getting angry threatening others just because all you really wanted and did not want to wait for title is not cool.
Gibbs is well aware of what is needed for PvE builds. After looking through everything, and personally having knowledge of what Gibbs knows / doesn't know, I feel he knows a fair bit more than your fleet does. Gibbs doesn't really care about a title. A title that says "PvE Bootcamp Coach" would be considered a joke by many.
your build has terrible power issues broadside 3 dual beam banks up front might help you out
If you think that a lvl 50 can't sustain power for that, you may need to evaluate how you setup your power levels and skill tree.
A lvl 50 can sustain that with a proper skill tree.
Gibbs tested the build to see, and parsed 6.2k, which is quite a bit higher than some of your fleeties that I've ran with that are using better gear on their ships. Better gear doesn't always make a player better.
If you put a crappy player in a well setup scimitar, they're not going to do so well, a fair bit relies the player's skill level.
There are so many falsehoods here. First of all, the polaron bonus is 1 thing out of many other benefits of the set. Yes it does buff polaron, but it also adds to weapon stats, and a plethora of other things. If you bothered to read the post, I mentioned you could grind out the Dominion Polaron Mk XI from a mission. So yes, it DOES benefit Antiproton. There were NO power issues on the build. none whatsoever. Do you know what's even better? that ship build I ran is A LEVEL 40 SHIP! Built properly, does more than most people in your fleet. No reputation. no lobi. no zen. So if you could teach a class right, that build I took 10 minutes on could benefit everyone else. Take that build as a gift from me to you.
Now on another hand, ACT parser is way out of date, and highly inaccurate. I would like you to know that where they were "parsing" me was in KSE, on the other side of the map. So that makes the only place where they could get my numbers on Donatra. So lets add together here distance inaccuracy, distance mis-measurement, outdated program and the fact that I was only parsed on a tenth of the mission. I wold like the jury to consider that I do PvP, and PvE. I don't set up one way or another. Yes I do favor Science team over Transfer shield strength because the cooldown will KILL you literaly. Furthermore I don't spec for torpedoes. I don't use them. I did experiment with a control build, and respec'd back for my standard builds. I never said to spec for torpedoes. Yes, you do need hazard emitters for PvP and PvE. I don't know where you're getting your faulty information, but it is ALL FALSE. I understand that you decided to attack me since I pointed out all the failures in your builds, and made them public, as well as having nearly every high-DPS'er in the game call you guys out, and many others point out that your fleet has no idea what it is doing. Oh, shall we bring up the testimonies of the students who gained nothing, those who are disappointed in the classes?
Titles are meaningless to me, and nothing threatening was spoken.... except for the truth. It was you who got mad at me because I asked a team if they wanted their parsing results. Which brings up another point, why should anyone trust the DPS measurments of a fleet who is so DPS-phobic? Point exactly. no one would. Never once did I say that a field generator is a good idea. Look at my build http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=cheapbeginnerassultcruiserbuild_4854 for beginners. let me repeat. FOR BEGINNERS. where are the power insulators? this build is strictly PvE. no PvP intent. whats that? Hazard emitters as well as Science team? THATS RIGHT! I use them for PvE!
Here is the 10k proof, and the fact that my placement is 920 places higher than Jellico http://i.imgur.com/13nTU0y.png
So yes, I can do more than 10k in my bugship.
I know that it is a PvE class, and there are quite a few truths that are viable for PvP and PvE. So lets get some facts straight.
It makes sense to attack the person who is, in essence, bringing out The Fault in Your Builds. Okay? okay.
Shall we continue? Of course! I remember that Omega Primary was all set to have me joint-teach one of the escort classes, and when my views and build ideas varied in the slightest, all hell ensued! Yes I believe that for ships its better to use science team, on the sole fact that the cooldown is much lower than transfer shield strength. What about when I mentioned parsing? That was too much fun! (and apparently the final draw for Cally) Yes I parse every run of ISE, there is no damage to anyone on a parse post. Either, its the new player who doesn't know what it means, and is an avenue for help, the player who knows its lower but isn't discouraged because they're working on it or its the player who has no interest in improving their build. Its the last that always get hurt, which explains why you guys are scared of it, because its a constant reminder of your shortcomings an unwillingness to improve. Whenever I offered input on a better way to go about something, it was like I was summoning a devil! Yes, there are other ways to go about to an issue, and your way isn't the only way like you guys bring up.
Just a friendly note, before you attack me, look at my builds, skills, and placement on the leaderboards before you falsely accuse me and make yourselves look like the behind of a donkey..... oh wait. its too late for that last bit.
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
Those are Jellico's builds. And yes, they are that bad. Another point of irony is that the builds they are exampling are of ships that are either super expensive or limited. The fleet ships for example, while common place to us, will take a long time for a new level 50 to get.
Monbosh: 150 million
Sgolth: 69 million
Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught carrier: 140 million
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship: 500+ million
Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort: 90 million
Fleet Avenger: 20k fleet credits, 4 modules (if you want fleet weapons add 180k fleet credits 68k Dilithium, spire consoles too? an additional 200k fleet credits and 40k dilithium)
So lets be realistic here
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
Many people view a parser as a learning tool to help achieve a goal.
Are your saying its a requirement to play STO one must DPS PVP via the DPS league.
It is a learning tool, but you guys don't even use it as such. Not once did anyone say that it is a requirement, which obviously is not. Since you cannot use even the basic learning tools, it makes sense that you cannot use a DPS parser properly to help better ones self, much less others.
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
Many people view a parser as a learning tool to help achieve a goal.
Are your saying its a requirement to play STO one must DPS PVP via the DPS league.
A parser is a great tool for players to use. They can set a goal for 10k, get there, then set another for 15k and on.
It is not required for everyone, only those that actually care about their builds and want to improve. With the DPS league, players can compare themselves to other players, and set goals to get to a place on the leaderboard. They can even ask those above them on the leaderboard what they can do to improve themselves.
By blocking people from being able to get involved with that is quite pathetic. It is intentionally blocking people from improving as a player. The last time I saw a fleet doing that to their own members was back when I was in Section 08, and things didn't go so well for them after the members finally realized it. T5 Fleet that had 500 members that now has <130.
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wrong about what ?...have any of you been in my class and heard what i teach......no you havent ..not one of you
I see the Gibbs group pointing out lot of things that have nothing to do with teaching a new player the basics...as i have pointed out
When Mr Gibbs was in our teamspeak and if he had listened more and talked less he would understand a lot more than he does
Frankley someone who cant top 5k DPS in a jem Hadar attack ship doesnt impress me a lot when my cruiser tank is pushing much more than that
Mr Gibbs wanst considered seasoned enough to teach new players the basics...his posts clearly point that out time and again as well..............His performance in the sTFs we conducted showed it as well.
any builds posted on the web site arnt even used in the class.......wow didnt know that huh
Because every student has a differnt ship Race and needs dependent on his current equipment and ship as well as his skills.....which usuallay are a total mess
not to mention lack of dilithium/zen/EC
you can offer broad advice but each student has differnt needs and the instructor has to be able to adapt to his students needs for that student to benifit from the class
imo Mr gibbs did not have this requirement to be a instructor ( Adaptability )
And that and that alone is what this smear campaign is all about................
and point out anything I am wrong about in the context of this class....especially because you havent attended the class..I will find your conclusions most interesting based on your totlal lack of knowledge of what your talking about
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Akkkkk. . .. .I've been outed!!!
But, you should have realized that with my last sentence that I was trolling.
Now back to reality. . . .
First, I did 16k with my avenger with what came on the ship when unboxed with simple "fill-in's" of TRIBBLE white/green gear--just to show people you can. So yes, you can do significant dps without ubergear.
Now for the builds offered here, they are "anti" dps builds focused entirely on the wrong things. You see, if you are going to be a dps'r, then be the best dps'r you can be and be pure dps. Same with sci, same with eng. When you try to be "all around" you end up being mediocre. Hyperfocus. Your best defense as a dps'r is overwhelming offense--kill them before they can shoot back.
As for teaching, we have been doing "boot-camps" for well over a year. I have done whiteboards with Teamspeak explanations numerous times. Just taking one of our builds and jumping into an stf without understanding what you are doing, and how things work in synergy is foolish. What we do has taken time, massive testing, tons of practice. That is how we did ISE in 61 seconds, start to finish.
But, it is disturbing to see threads that teach people the wrong things. Although I appreciate the thread for making the attempt--so kuddos. But, spreading ignorance only makes for massive re-training in the dps channels--and it gets old.
We are not and have never been elitist in our channels--in fact we kick people we see that are. Our ethos has always been to help others--not just give them builds (which we freely do), but help them understand why we built them the way we do. Then they have a base from which they themselves can build off of.
But, I wouldn't listen to me. . . .I'm just a troll. . . .
DPS Channels / League Info (STO Forums)
That last part killed me! "Pay the price", trololololol, hilarious.
If we're going to your level of stupid crazy nit-picking, shouldn't we say you're an idiot? In general, acronyms drop words like the, of, at, and, to, etc. all the time. Therefore wouldn't it be AB? Oh noes, now you must pay the price!
But me, I like A2B, it has a nice look and feel to it. Now, what's this price I'm supposed to pay?
Anyway, DPS e-peen comparison is not necessary. There are so many ways to manipulate DPS even I could break 30k+ with the right team. I tend to agree with this fleet's policy of "dps parsers being for personal use only".
What matters is that there are competent people giving good advice. I haven't been impressed by those on the defending side...
marion
battery officer
helmsman
and a few more that increse your defenses and damage
all of which cost hundreds of millions
lets not forget your most likely maxed out in all of the rep systems
lets not forget the defensive and offensive powers your maxed out damage and defense accolaydes give you
A new level 50 has none of this and to put a new level 50 into a strait dps build isnt teaching
Its Trolling
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I wasn't going to say anything, but I looked at the ship builds they recommend. I can see why their leader hates parsers. He'd perform no better than a common pug with ships like those.
I'm sorry to the people who have enrolled in these classes... knowing you need help is the first step. The game doesn't explain much, and doesn't help by showing you terribad ships like the Enterprise-E.
But there are resources for getting help that don't involve crazy people with weird, wrong ideas about how to play.
Sry
You and your fellow DPS admins are great at helping out players. Back when I first joined the DPS channels, I was having some issues with timing on my scimi, managed to get that worked out thanks to you guys, and worked myself upto DPS-30k. I've taken what I learned in there and what I've read online over the years and tested to see what and what doesn't work to help quite a few out within my fleet, and help them get up in your channels aswell.
This is a wiki that some of us at /r/stobuilds have been working on for a bit. it's still a work in progress with new guides and builds being added everyday.
http://www.reddit.com/r/stobuilds is a great resource for everyone from beginner to expert pilots.
also join channel dps-public for top notch coaching and assitance getting to 10k, 20k, 30k and beyond.
That's awesome and all - except for the fact that there's no number two in the ability. So it isn't A2B. It's ATB. Which, I assure you, is far easier to type than A2B is - and much more accurate! It's win-win.
just stop posting.
Leader of Quantum Mechanics
Member of DPS-30000
http://i.imgur.com/jSnHLA3.png is a pic of that page the other day, where it still says "General Builds by Jellico".
Google Cache of the page from the other day. Hover over "Builds" at the top to see the list.
The weapons are FREE from the Fluid Dynamics missions.
The deflector, engines and shields are FREE from the Cardassian Struggle missions. (yes it does a flat polaron boost, yet it does have many other benefits that are not that. You can always replay for the mk XI dominion polaron beam arrays. FOR FREE.
The antiproton Mag Regulators are 20k a piece,
the Engineering consoles are FREE from Secret Orders.
The Subspace Field Modulator is from the mission Skirmish.... for free.
The Mk XI Shield Emitter Amplifiers are FREE from Tear of the Prophets in the Cardassian Struggle episode.
oh.... whats that? Not Aux to Bat? Yup! Perfectly legitimate!
Lets see here. The toatal investment for the build: 1.26 Million EC
a majority of this will come from loot drops while running the missions
No reputation. Career specific traits
DPS estimate: 6k in ISE
Build listed, no reputation gear, no fancy traits, only career specifics.
CombatLogReaderInfected Space[7:44] Dmg(DPS)
Nick 5 376 956(12 681)
Vein 3 469 163(7 993)
Gibbs 2 526 596(6 207)
Skull 1 154 410(4 008)
Dave 993 473(3 461)
So since you went and pulled your name from your fleet webpage because you know those builds are not good, and people are realizing that this is a joke how about you own up to your shortcomings.
I listened plenty in your teamspeak, and I heard enough to know that you guys have no idea what you're doing. You told me exactly what you guys are teaching, and you have the builds on your page. It was you guys who called me combative if my views conflicted with yours, and got all up in arms when what I said proved to be better
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Kirks Prot
for some reason when i made tht it wouldnt let me correct the cannon ability with a second bfaw................. !
I dont use those in my class so i havent been back to correct it...perhps i will try to fix it later
I dont use those in the class anyway and pretty much gave up on making any more builds there because they take so long
But seriously is a typo all you got ?
?
Weak
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
On my build I put there, it's cheaper than any builds you have, more DPS capable, and is attainable for all players. It's already higher than the minimum DPS requirements for any of the queues, and double or even triple of the majority of your fleet.
Sounds like you're quite butthurt
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Kirks Prot
Its not hard to fix any of that. Anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of HTML or PHP can fix that. Its not about one build, but its about every single build on the page, every idea they bring up. Furthermore, if you gateway their builds, you see them using mixed energy types, outdated weapons, overall stricken with Mad Nooberish Disease.
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Kirks Prot
1. Mr G is a PVPer, his friends, and Fleet are all Elite PvPers according to him.
So why does a PVPer want to teach people how spec for PVP when the focus is PVE .
2 A Debuff DOff (never saw the need in STFs for one)over a CON officer is a PVP option.
Science Team over a Transfer Shield is a PVP option.
Running with No hazards is ok for PVP but not the STFs.
Maxing out your Torpedoes not even sure if thats good for PVP or PVE.
3.
What DPS has to do with teaching people to survive in the STFs, you got me.3.
However this all started with Mr G who posted in reply several post ago his DPS is 10K .
With that said I like the ACT parser, I was the one who did the parse and it was 4.5K.
However with the new feel good parser that counts shield damage that would equal to 10K.
If I had a JHAS I would not be using phasers on it.
I would also be sure my DPS was 10K or higher with ACT and 20k or higher with the new parser, prior to throwing stones.
3. Beginners need options beside knowing what you learned in the stories.
I dont see any suggestion that are valid by the PVP group trying to do PVP in the forums.
Saying that stinks doesn't mean you have the answer.
Saying as a new player I suggest using a power insulator instead of a field generator.
That would helpful from getting your shields drain.
Its easy to bash others, the true worth comes from contributions that have value and help people.
4. Just think all this is all because someone told Mr G this was for PvE and not a PVP class.
That he could observe until he could do a practice class that was focused on PvE and not PVP builds.
Getting angry threatening others just because all you really wanted and did not want to wait for a title is not cool.
builds i dont use......you got me there..........joke ? except for the typo its good build and very cheep with ec to make up ...check the prices on the exchange verses there effectiviness
your build has terrible power issues broadside 3 dual beam banks up front might help you out
your build requires a level 50 to do how many dog gone hours of repet missions to put together ?...A lot... i dont even wnt to count it up
you space set does not complimet your weapon choices
The exchange space set is much better and costs 150k ec to buy your space set requires 3 missions
and benifits polarons................. not APB's
my build a new player can put together with about 4 foundry Ec missions depending on the alignment of the moon on the exchange..prices change a lot....so 40 minutes ..10 minutes each over 4 days
and another thing...a new level 50 will hardly ever get crit...so the 20% bonus from the APB's really isnt a great benifit
another thing that build is on a very advanced character...with traits thats cost millions...that means you have the accolade passives a new player doesnt have
just remember the people we teach are brand new or in trouble from many differnt parts of the game
and most of them are in level 40 ships across 3 races of ships...thats why i gave up making builds ...and do one on one with each student
but seriously are these builds the only thing you got ?
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
ground out from missions, as well as the deflector, core, engine, and shield) and it should do
much better than the basic build you have given them. It does not need doffs, (although DCE's
would help a lot) and can easily be upgraded console wise.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=avengercheap_0
ps, the risian cruiser is probably even better for you're average new player, but because its only
available for a short while I did not make a build for it.
If we talk about a new char and if around 20k max-potential at some point in the future, all you need are 3 Damage control engineers, not more. A warpcore engineer can help too. Those are all not too pricy and can also be obtained via the Doff-System.
What you said are the Doffs you use too really get every last drop of dps, the last 3-5%. The 90% before, as i said, 3 DCE.
To believe Marion is a must-have and 8 beams cant be sustained by a new char, is just wrong. Just recently leveled one char on a Gal-X with no help from my other chars, didnt have any problems with such things.
Seeing the whole builds just let me hope you want to troll, because if not, its just a very,very sad story.
You know what, to any new guys reading this thread go to this camp or not, your choice, but here is what you need to know.
For gear, look here: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Episode_replay
That lists off every piece of gear you can get from replaying episodes at level 50. Worth it, until you get good enough that you don't need the gear, or get into the reputations. Also, the rest of this wiki is good information as well.
For something simple and easy on how to run your ship, go here: http://hilbertguide.com/
That is for mostly PvP, but there is a PvE section here: http://hilbertguide.com/#PvEscort
Not everyone will agree with that guide as being the best (in fact the author says it isn't), but its good enough for you to survive. Cruisers can pretty much adapt the escort build linked here, in particular the assault cruiser, or you can take some stuff from the PvP build there. Use your brain matter, and ask for help if you need it.
Another source: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAAgaD-zbotq2By_2-8qqIg/videos
Check the budget builds this guy has. An alternate view from Hilbert up above. May be a bit dated, but it should all still work.
For science ships, honestly, I would not fly a science ship as a new player, they are not a straight ahead experience in general, and require more thought than target and kill in general. Please note I said science ship, not science captain. But science ships, might want to find someone to apprentice to.
Guides for Borg STFs: http://www.stoacademy.com/walkthrough/stf/
I was going to write this out, but the link above covers it pretty well. I will add that in Infected, The Cure and Khitomer space, gravity wells are well worth it if you can fit them. They can save your team if you blow a nanite generator early or if you don't quite have enough
DPS, and anyone doing probe duty in Khitomer space should probably have it as a fresh lvl 50.
Hopefully this helps someone out. Bottom line, you don't need anything fancy to win at PvE in this game. Just practice a bit and learn the stuff above and you'll be fine.
Nouveau riche LTS member
-A Warp Core Engineer for debuff removal or power boost over a Conn Officer is quite logical when you already have two tac teams (or 1 with Aux2Bat). +10 to Attack Patterns isn't enough to warrant the boost either Warp Core Engineer can provide.
-Science team provides a mediocre shield heal, but clears off quite a few debuffs, and it doesn't require Aux power. Transfer Shield Strength requires Aux power, so when you run an Aux2Bat boat, it does very little compared to Science Team.
-Running without Hazard Emitters is something we never do. That's one of the core things we put on any build.
-Once again, something that we would almost never do. The only times Gibbs would even max out torps would be on his wells control build for PvP. He'd never do that in PvE. -The Combatlog Reader provides a very accurate measure for STO. With how you guys feel about parsing, I imagine you don't like it because it has a leaderboard option, which could be "embarrassing" as you put on your site.
-He users phasers on there typically for PvP, phasers can still do decent in PvE, any dmg type can.
Many of those replying to you in here mainly do PvE, yes a few of us do PvP, but we know how to build ships for either side.
Gibbs is well aware of what is needed for PvE builds. After looking through everything, and personally having knowledge of what Gibbs knows / doesn't know, I feel he knows a fair bit more than your fleet does. Gibbs doesn't really care about a title. A title that says "PvE Bootcamp Coach" would be considered a joke by many.
If you think that a lvl 50 can't sustain power for that, you may need to evaluate how you setup your power levels and skill tree.
A lvl 50 can sustain that with a proper skill tree.
Gibbs tested the build to see, and parsed 6.2k, which is quite a bit higher than some of your fleeties that I've ran with that are using better gear on their ships. Better gear doesn't always make a player better.
If you put a crappy player in a well setup scimitar, they're not going to do so well, a fair bit relies the player's skill level.
Now on another hand, ACT parser is way out of date, and highly inaccurate. I would like you to know that where they were "parsing" me was in KSE, on the other side of the map. So that makes the only place where they could get my numbers on Donatra. So lets add together here distance inaccuracy, distance mis-measurement, outdated program and the fact that I was only parsed on a tenth of the mission. I wold like the jury to consider that I do PvP, and PvE. I don't set up one way or another. Yes I do favor Science team over Transfer shield strength because the cooldown will KILL you literaly. Furthermore I don't spec for torpedoes. I don't use them. I did experiment with a control build, and respec'd back for my standard builds. I never said to spec for torpedoes. Yes, you do need hazard emitters for PvP and PvE. I don't know where you're getting your faulty information, but it is ALL FALSE. I understand that you decided to attack me since I pointed out all the failures in your builds, and made them public, as well as having nearly every high-DPS'er in the game call you guys out, and many others point out that your fleet has no idea what it is doing. Oh, shall we bring up the testimonies of the students who gained nothing, those who are disappointed in the classes?
Titles are meaningless to me, and nothing threatening was spoken.... except for the truth. It was you who got mad at me because I asked a team if they wanted their parsing results. Which brings up another point, why should anyone trust the DPS measurments of a fleet who is so DPS-phobic? Point exactly. no one would. Never once did I say that a field generator is a good idea. Look at my build http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=cheapbeginnerassultcruiserbuild_4854 for beginners. let me repeat. FOR BEGINNERS. where are the power insulators? this build is strictly PvE. no PvP intent. whats that? Hazard emitters as well as Science team? THATS RIGHT! I use them for PvE!
Here is the 10k proof, and the fact that my placement is 920 places higher than Jellico
http://i.imgur.com/13nTU0y.png
So yes, I can do more than 10k in my bugship.
I know that it is a PvE class, and there are quite a few truths that are viable for PvP and PvE. So lets get some facts straight.
It makes sense to attack the person who is, in essence, bringing out The Fault in Your Builds. Okay? okay.
Shall we continue? Of course! I remember that Omega Primary was all set to have me joint-teach one of the escort classes, and when my views and build ideas varied in the slightest, all hell ensued! Yes I believe that for ships its better to use science team, on the sole fact that the cooldown is much lower than transfer shield strength. What about when I mentioned parsing? That was too much fun! (and apparently the final draw for Cally) Yes I parse every run of ISE, there is no damage to anyone on a parse post. Either, its the new player who doesn't know what it means, and is an avenue for help, the player who knows its lower but isn't discouraged because they're working on it or its the player who has no interest in improving their build. Its the last that always get hurt, which explains why you guys are scared of it, because its a constant reminder of your shortcomings an unwillingness to improve. Whenever I offered input on a better way to go about something, it was like I was summoning a devil! Yes, there are other ways to go about to an issue, and your way isn't the only way like you guys bring up.
Just a friendly note, before you attack me, look at my builds, skills, and placement on the leaderboards before you falsely accuse me and make yourselves look like the behind of a donkey..... oh wait. its too late for that last bit.
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Kirks Prot
A fair warning to all new players; there are a lot of guides and good information available to you from a lot of different sources.
Unfortunately this PvE Boot Camp has the worst possible advice. Buyers Beware!!!
Monbosh: 150 million
Sgolth: 69 million
Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught carrier: 140 million
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship: 500+ million
Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort: 90 million
Fleet Avenger: 20k fleet credits, 4 modules (if you want fleet weapons add 180k fleet credits 68k Dilithium, spire consoles too? an additional 200k fleet credits and 40k dilithium)
So lets be realistic here
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Kirks Prot
I propose a new RoA: #315
"If someone offers PvE Boot Camp and isn't in the DPS League, take a look at Rule of Acquisition #59."
Leader of Quantum Mechanics
Member of DPS-30000
Many people view a parser as a learning tool to help achieve a goal.
Are your saying its a requirement to play STO one must DPS PVP via the DPS league.
It is a learning tool, but you guys don't even use it as such. Not once did anyone say that it is a requirement, which obviously is not. Since you cannot use even the basic learning tools, it makes sense that you cannot use a DPS parser properly to help better ones self, much less others.
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Kirks Prot
A parser is a great tool for players to use. They can set a goal for 10k, get there, then set another for 15k and on.
It is not required for everyone, only those that actually care about their builds and want to improve. With the DPS league, players can compare themselves to other players, and set goals to get to a place on the leaderboard. They can even ask those above them on the leaderboard what they can do to improve themselves.
By blocking people from being able to get involved with that is quite pathetic. It is intentionally blocking people from improving as a player. The last time I saw a fleet doing that to their own members was back when I was in Section 08, and things didn't go so well for them after the members finally realized it. T5 Fleet that had 500 members that now has <130.
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Kirks Prot