I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
PvE. You need guides to do PvE. Bootcamp. Oh my...
I wish I had Q like powers to smash close this thread.
My thoughts exactly. PvP Bootcamp is useful but "learning and educating" yourself on how to destroy AIs effectively is beyond me... Seriously??? :eek: It's a fricking AI how hard can it be! Just look up a good ship build for 10 mins and read a few guides on STO Wiki and you're done... :rolleyes:
P.S. I can understand people need help for ground combat since it's a different area.
things like this to help new people are great but the team speak requirement stinks. personally I know allot of people where team speak is not a valid option and it has nothing to do with internet connection. many people have families. and with kids running around making noise a mic is not an option.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
My thoughts exactly. PvP Bootcamp is useful but "learning and educating" yourself on how to destroy AIs effectively is beyond me... Seriously??? :eek: It's a fricking AI how hard can it be! Just look up a good ship build for 10 mins and read a few guides on STO Wiki and you're done... :rolleyes:
P.S. I can understand people need help for ground combat since it's a different area.
no idea how long you have been playing, but this isn't a bad thing for new people . how many times have you gone into a STF and had the optional botched because some body had no clue what they were doing? this sort of thing ( if it didn't require team speak) could help allot of new people get a decent start and keep some of us long time players from blowing a gasket.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Every other build Cryptic's put out hasn't been "bad" - notice every build has the "traditional" fore and aft projectile, highlights the occasional other useful console than the Mk XII damage booster - even if it means that a tactical slot doesn't get it's damage booster, and shows people that there's more to tactical slots than BO/BFaW or CRF/CSV, TT & AP-B / -O.
Except that by cramming the slots in random powers, they render the ship unable to actually effectively fire any of the weapons it has. Filling the ship in a random assortment of mismatched weapons that do not provide effective arc coverage anywhere results in the ship having no pointy end despite the pointy-ended appearance of the ship...and to make it worse, none of the guns will actually fire properly because they did not install the skills to do so! That was sort of what the OP Story Boff powers are meant to resolve, except they sort of forgot to include the corresponding detail, rendering the ship an inert brick half the time.
The shields won't stay up, because they failed to include the mandatory shield systems, yet did not rig the ship for full DPS to make this unnecessary. In short, the ship is disaster and does nothing to convince the player that the ship is a good buy. It can't even escape from the mass of Undine Fluidic Poo that gets rained on you during the mission, so you can't even move...something APO would have made clear!
That Dyson sci-royer they built is interestingly useful for highlighting alternate builds, nothing like boosting the player(s) probably-lacking particle generators with a pile of consoles, slapping FBP III, and encourage the player to go to town on those lovely frigate swarms that lead the major fights... :P
FBP. In PvE. That was an utter waste of a SciCdr slot, pretty much forcing you to put the ship into Escort mode so you could actually get the guns to fire, seeing as your Sci slot was utterly worthless.
If someone didn't know this, they'd try uselessly to use that power, which would, of course, do no real damage, as NPCs cannot effectively hurt themselves, especially on a ship which probably doesn't have the spec needed to even effectively use FBP.
In short, that ship was a disaster, and it is far from the only one of its kind. That Temporal Ambassador ship is pretty much a trainwreck, but at least it was justified by not having an actual crew. The Dyson ship was allegedly crewed by its regulars, all of which were incompetent at their jobs.
That first contact bortasq was terrible. And the way they setup the flagships, dsd and obelisk probably made people NOT want to buy them because of how terrible the setup was
What about Jiaruk's Scimitar? Still recovering since then ...
Date: Saturday June 21st
Time:
United Kingdom Time Zone = 11:00 PM / UTC
US Eastern Time Zone = 6:00 PM / - 5 UTC
US Central Time Zone = 5:00 PM / -6 UTC
US Pacific Time Zone = 3:00 PM / -8 UTC
Thanks everyone for the support and to the instructors its great to see a success with the new PVE Boit Camps.
We are finding huge gaps coming from levels 1-49 game play people think the success to DPS is torpedoes.
The biggest area of concern is with bridge officers abilities, no TAC teams, attack patterns, hazards and no transfer shields. ( Something gameplay does not teach you)
So it's great to help others and to see people double there survivablity and DPS.
Big thanks to everyone who helped and looking forward to the next class Escort Builds.
Just so you guys know, the fleet hosting this has no interest in improving DPS, and as any experienced player knows, DPS is the point behind PvE. Lets put it this way, they don't allow anyone to post the DPS from a parser into the chat.
They claim this so they are protecting the 'fun' in the game by disallowing posting of DPS results. In my experience, and the experience of every player in my fleet, and those whom I've helped out of the good will of my heart have found one thing that is higher amongst all else: fun is directly proportional to DPS. Let me ask you guys this, what's more fun? Blowing up one cube as a team taking 5 minutes, or soloing 10 cubes and melting them all within seconds? I'm pretty sure blowing everything up is much more fun than not caring about damage.
This fleet was enlisting my help for the PvE boot camp escort class, builds which I have a great deal of expertise. I was running an STF with these guys, and I could not believe how slow ISE took! I've seen the Starfleet Battles Channels (note that the forum post about this is called 'Not for High DPS'ers) did ISE faster than this crew.
What is the trouble here? The trouble is that Cryptic is entrusting to a fleet who concerns themselves not with DPS to run a boot camp on how to run STF's whose basis and measurement of difficulty is the amount of DPS needed to win.
Lets approach this from another angle: Its widely known and proven that in order to successfully defend probes in Khitomer Elite and the Borg BoP's in Cure Elite is approx. 4,500 DPS. Running STF's with the fleet, I was able to get their numbers. The fleet who is teaching how to run these PvE's properly (so you assume that they have enough DPS, right? wrong.) don't even enough DPS themselves. I've run multiple queues with this hosting fleet and every single time they were 3,500 or less on the DPS. Blakes_7 does have a somewhat respectable DPS level; however every other member in the fleet doesn't have enough DPS to run most STF's to get the optional. What does this mean? This means one thing here, a question which everyone should ask themselves before committing: Would you be willing to trust your DPS to someone who won't help their own people first?
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
Just so you guys know, the fleet hosting this has no interest in improving DPS, and as any experienced player knows, DPS is the point behind PvE. Lets put it this way, they don't allow anyone to post the DPS from a parser into the chat.
They claim this so they are protecting the 'fun' in the game by disallowing posting of DPS results. In my experience, and the experience of every player in my fleet, and those whom I've helped out of the good will of my heart have found one thing that is higher amongst all else: fun is directly proportional to DPS. Let me ask you guys this, what's more fun? Blowing up one cube as a team taking 5 minutes, or soloing 10 cubes and melting them all within seconds? I'm pretty sure blowing everything up is much more fun than not caring about damage.
This fleet was enlisting my help for the PvE boot camp escort class, builds which I have a great deal of expertise. I was running an STF with these guys, and I could not believe how slow ISE took! I've seen the Starfleet Battles Channels (note that the forum post about this is called 'Not for High DPS'ers) did ISE faster than this crew.
What is the trouble here? The trouble is that Cryptic is entrusting to a fleet who concerns themselves not with DPS to run a boot camp on how to run STF's whose basis and measurement of difficulty is the amount of DPS needed to win.
Lets approach this from another angle: Its widely known and proven that in order to successfully defend probes in Khitomer Elite and the Borg BoP's in Cure Elite is approx. 4,500 DPS. Running STF's with the fleet, I was able to get their numbers. The fleet who is teaching how to run these PvE's properly (so you assume that they have enough DPS, right? wrong.) don't even enough DPS themselves. I've run multiple queues with this hosting fleet and every single time they were 3,500 or less on the DPS. Blakes_7 does have a somewhat respectable DPS level; however every other member in the fleet doesn't have enough DPS to run most STF's to get the optional. What does this mean? This means one thing here, a question which everyone should ask themselves before committing: Would you be willing to trust your DPS to someone who won't help their own people first?
Tis quite sad, this bootcamp will help some a little, but if anyone wants to see their builds really improve, they'll still need to get help from some more experienced members of the community. If anyone really wants to get the most out of their ship, the DPS channels are really great, with some of the most experienced players in the game in there to help.
After looking at the builds linked at the top of the PvE Bootcamp link, in the "Builds & Boffs" tab, I regret not getting involved to ensure accurate build advice was being taught. Many inaccurate and outdated builds that just won't really do so well on that site. But now seeing that they got upset enough to ban you from their fleet's Teamspeak because you ASKED if anyone wanted to see their DPS from the parse you ran is quite pathetic. If they don't want players to even see their DPS numbers so they know how they're doing so that they can improve, then they're not really helping out the people in the courses. As it is, DPS is pretty much the only thing needed for PvE, and by blocking results for people to see if they're improving or need to change something, it does the opposite of what this intends.
So my fleet which has been here in one form or another since Beta, told me about this PvE Boot Camp - which sounds quite wonderful on the surface. Community, helping people out, having a good time.
Except you aren't. You run it like a dictatorship, you shun opinions from those who have the experience, and you don't parse in ISE which in my mind is a like ****ting on a Jesus icon. It is. Why the **** bother even trying if you have no wish to improve your ships or builds???? You realize that the parsing is not a competition between your own people - its a way to help ALL of your team improve and set goals to make the best ship/build possible.
That's why it's there! Add a console - get the right duty officers, measure your powers out - bam you go from 3.5K to a 10K ship - pretty awesome. And no PVP involved - that's just knowing what your ship can do and what it can't.
There is a reason our fleet can do ISE 5 man and close it inside of 4 minutes. Because we help each other with our builds and specs - we don't downgrade each other - but we do offer contructive critism because we KNOW what works and doesn't work - as does most of the STO community. It's not rocket science.
You don't put torps on a beam FAW boat - for example - you don't! You suffer a huge loss in DPS just from that!
NOW
If you wanna run these missions for FUN and nothing else - here's an idea - DONT CALL IT A ****ING BOOT CAMP - how about Hello Kitty Spank my Monkey Club - because at least that would be more appropriate.
Personally I think this Blaze guy and I know you are reading this has some social issues.... maybe your the kind of person who licks your friends balls or maybe you just like to be the last one with the last word - especially when you are wrong... I think its the latter. Normally I wouldn't even entertain blowing this up in here but I have no tolerance for guys that think that because they know how to use a mouse and keyboard they all of a sudden know how to control and run everything else.... More like you know how to drown out everything and everyone that has a different point of view and you probably get off on "banning" ppl that would actually help you....
So.... those of you who would like REAL help - don't be afraid to ask - we will help you. US - the STO fleets out there - they will hook you up - most of them are over 21 and have actually had puberty and a job at some point.
Oh and if you didn't like what I said? I don't give a **** - I don't. Go **** yourself with a stolen **** I could care less... I do care about ppl dominating others and then keeping them down - its ****ty its wrong and its something North Korea would do.
Now the fun begins
I have seen worse builds, though the galaxy is really bad, nevermind the mix, but torps without torps skilled... skilltree itself isnt so bad either, but still far from good (too much maxed, too much unnecessary build). Especially on ground there is so much room for improvement^^
But I like the redundancy of HE and FAW in the A2B-Builds, exactly two skills which really go to global cd (unlike TT) with a2b.
Though I understand that not everyone wants to see parses, If one would take some time to explain it and the context (like why kase is only relevant for yourself and such). ACT is linked, not the userfriendliest out there and currently more a pvp-thing. And yeah, improvement without measurement is quite hard to accomplish.
Cant wait to read the post written tomorrow morning
Just so you guys know, the fleet hosting this has no interest in improving DPS, and as any experienced player knows, DPS is the point behind PvE. Lets put it this way, they don't allow anyone to post the DPS from a parser into the chat.
They claim this so they are protecting the 'fun' in the game by disallowing posting of DPS results. In my experience, and the experience of every player in my fleet, and those whom I've helped out of the good will of my heart have found one thing that is higher amongst all else: fun is directly proportional to DPS. Let me ask you guys this, what's more fun? Blowing up one cube as a team taking 5 minutes, or soloing 10 cubes and melting them all within seconds? I'm pretty sure blowing everything up is much more fun than not caring about damage.
This fleet was enlisting my help for the PvE boot camp escort class, builds which I have a great deal of expertise. I was running an STF with these guys, and I could not believe how slow ISE took! I've seen the Starfleet Battles Channels (note that the forum post about this is called 'Not for High DPS'ers) did ISE faster than this crew.
What is the trouble here? The trouble is that Cryptic is entrusting to a fleet who concerns themselves not with DPS to run a boot camp on how to run STF's whose basis and measurement of difficulty is the amount of DPS needed to win.
Lets approach this from another angle: Its widely known and proven that in order to successfully defend probes in Khitomer Elite and the Borg BoP's in Cure Elite is approx. 4,500 DPS. Running STF's with the fleet, I was able to get their numbers. The fleet who is teaching how to run these PvE's properly (so you assume that they have enough DPS, right? wrong.) don't even enough DPS themselves. I've run multiple queues with this hosting fleet and every single time they were 3,500 or less on the DPS. Blakes_7 does have a somewhat respectable DPS level; however every other member in the fleet doesn't have enough DPS to run most STF's to get the optional. What does this mean? This means one thing here, a question which everyone should ask themselves before committing: Would you be willing to trust your DPS to someone who won't help their own people first?
Nice that this post just came from someone who was just kicked from our Fleet and TeamSpeak
Indeed I was kicked, though I remember you asking for my two-cents worth about your builds. and when I provided my outlook, the butthurt became strong! Now this post was created before the kicking. What I would like to see is improvement than personal coverage.
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
Just so you guys know, the fleet hosting this has no interest in improving DPS, and as any experienced player knows, DPS is the point behind PvE. Lets put it this way, they don't allow anyone to post the DPS from a parser into the chat.
They claim this so they are protecting the 'fun' in the game by disallowing posting of DPS results. In my experience, and the experience of every player in my fleet, and those whom I've helped out of the good will of my heart have found one thing that is higher amongst all else: fun is directly proportional to DPS. Let me ask you guys this, what's more fun? Blowing up one cube as a team taking 5 minutes, or soloing 10 cubes and melting them all within seconds? I'm pretty sure blowing everything up is much more fun than not caring about damage.
This fleet was enlisting my help for the PvE boot camp escort class, builds which I have a great deal of expertise. I was running an STF with these guys, and I could not believe how slow ISE took! I've seen the Starfleet Battles Channels (note that the forum post about this is called 'Not for High DPS'ers) did ISE faster than this crew.
What is the trouble here? The trouble is that Cryptic is entrusting to a fleet who concerns themselves not with DPS to run a boot camp on how to run STF's whose basis and measurement of difficulty is the amount of DPS needed to win.
Lets approach this from another angle: Its widely known and proven that in order to successfully defend probes in Khitomer Elite and the Borg BoP's in Cure Elite is approx. 4,500 DPS. Running STF's with the fleet, I was able to get their numbers. The fleet who is teaching how to run these PvE's properly (so you assume that they have enough DPS, right? wrong.) don't even enough DPS themselves. I've run multiple queues with this hosting fleet and every single time they were 3,500 or less on the DPS. Blakes_7 does have a somewhat respectable DPS level; however every other member in the fleet doesn't have enough DPS to run most STF's to get the optional. What does this mean? This means one thing here, a question which everyone should ask themselves before committing: Would you be willing to trust your DPS to someone who won't help their own people first?
I've been in team with members of theses fleets (fed & kdf) also on ground. seriously. If by mistake you loot some stuff that fills their window of need-greed icon, they insult you and kick you out of their team !!
Plus after I had the lesson because they run pve boot camp with cryptics, that they can teach me how to play the game that they can recruit me ... etc etc ... like I'll join this people with the way they behave ...
some of these build are for new players wit no high end gear or rep gear...they are built with what you can get from the exchange for the least amout of EC and still put out fair dps while giving the new player the ability to survive over a few more points of dps and not useing the respawn point
For someone who puts out less than 5k dps in a JHAS verses my hunter putting out 12k ..................man you should be listing not talking TRIBBLE in the forums
also i am tanking everything in range and surviving while doing over double your dps
new players dont jump from level 50 with nothing including knowledge to being Jim Kirk You have much to learn is what i am saying
you dont parse dps with 2 new players in it doing 3k to 3 vets doing over 10k each
The new guys on there 3rd stf...its not good for moral
also you dont use the parser using the shield bonuses with romulans in the group showing even higher numbers for them verses klingon or fed players...give totaliy bs results
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I've been in team with members of theses fleets (fed & kdf) also on ground. seriously. If by mistake you loot some stuff that fills their window of need-greed icon, they insult you and kick you out of their team !!
Plus after I had the lesson because they run pve boot camp with cryptics, that they can teach me how to play the game that they can recruit me ... etc etc ... like I'll join this people with the way they behave ...
When I initially saw what fleet was hosting this, I looked up to see how experienced they are with the game. Based off of the builds on their site and the fact that they will kick you for posting DPS parses, can safely say that there are many more fleets out there with much more experience. Is all a big recruitment campaign for them.
Blake told Gibbs that Cryptic partnered with them for this to sell more Lifetime Memberships, apparently the goal is to get really inexperienced players that can't live and hate the game because of that upto a point where they can live enough that they enjoy the game, and want to dump money in, to improve their builds and to possibly purchase a Lifetime Membership.
So you're saying the goal here is to create TRIBBLE DPS? The only TRIBBLE here is the outcome of this rather than the so-called TRIBBLE on the forums. Take the galaxy build for example, this isn't about consoles, or rep, rather its about appropriate weapons and skills! The weapon here should be more beam arrays than torpedoes, and FAW instad of Torp spread. Traits, rep and the like are not as important as they used to be. Its 4 space traits and most of the other skills are career generic! I can go in with no skills and reputation abilities and do just fine. As can anyone with the right, cheap build.
BT Dubs, my JHAS does 10k
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
I've been in team with members of theses fleets (fed & kdf) also on ground. seriously. If by mistake you loot some stuff that fills their window of need-greed icon, they insult you and kick you out of their team !!
Plus after I had the lesson because they run pve boot camp with cryptics, that they can teach me how to play the game that they can recruit me ... etc etc ... like I'll join this people with the way they behave ...
you were being trained on a Opp run ..warned over 5 times not to loot....but to pay attention to the trigger lines
To learn from those in front of you .......to learn
you chose to go looting 2k items after repeated warning to not do so and to pay attention
which going after loot worth 2k....... turning your back to the borg to get it ment.. to our instructor you wernt taking the training seriously wasting our time
over 5 times is no accident
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
So you're saying the goal here is to create TRIBBLE DPS? The only TRIBBLE here is the outcome of this rather than the so-called TRIBBLE on the forums. Take the galaxy build for example, this isn't about consoles, or rep, rather its about appropriate weapons and skills! The weapon here should be more beam arrays than torpedoes, and FAW instad of Torp spread. Traits, rep and the like are not as important as they used to be. Its 4 space traits and most of the other skills are career generic! I can go in with no skills and reputation abilities and do just fine. As can anyone with the right, cheap build.
BT Dubs, my JHAS does 10k
without plasmonic leach....or a maco shield.....how are you going to power 8 energy weapons ? 5 beam arrays use all the power a new player can generate...you assume he has unimited items and resources....He does not
this is for a new poor just starting player with no rep no fleet credits barley any ec
without romulan -threat consoles bfaw will send the new player to the respawn point a new player doesnt have these either
you show a lot of inexperence here
no we have records of your dps ..its 4.5k..........
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
that's far from true. in every respect. there is no way 8 weapons drains all that power! And the threat gen? Torpedo spread does the exact same thing as fire at will. I never once said that plasmionic leach is required, and I don't use the maco shield, I use the elite fleet one. I already know, that 'A fresh level 50 can't get that stuff!' not immediately, no, but in a couple of weeks, most assuredly can! Every thing you are teaching, the desired outcome is weeks out, so why should that be any different? And if you just might have records of lower DPS, but look back when you guys wanted me to do the escort class! The numbers were much higher!
I would like the Jury to realize that this fleet wanted me to work the escort class, yet on the mention of a DPS parse, they go hide in a corner, or lose their sanity? How about the guy running this event is now cowering behind someone else to do the fighting for him? oh that's right! he doesn't have the DPS to fight for himself!
TheGrateLordeCheesus Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM Doesn't Owe AnyoneEC Kirks Prot
without plasmonic leach....or a maco shield.....how are you going to power 8 energy weapons ? 5 beam arrays use all the power a new player can generate...you assume he has unimited items and resources....He does not
this is for a new poor just starting player with no rep no fleet credits barley any ec
without romulan -threat consoles bfaw will send the new player to the respawn point a new player doesnt have these either
you show a lot of inexperence here
no we have records of your dps ..its 4.5k..........
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Yes indeed. There will be a PvP Bootcamp (no relation to this PvE Bootcamp btw) in July.
My thoughts exactly. PvP Bootcamp is useful but "learning and educating" yourself on how to destroy AIs effectively is beyond me... Seriously??? :eek: It's a fricking AI how hard can it be! Just look up a good ship build for 10 mins and read a few guides on STO Wiki and you're done... :rolleyes:
P.S. I can understand people need help for ground combat since it's a different area.
Here is the sub-forum for pvp bootcamp
no idea how long you have been playing, but this isn't a bad thing for new people . how many times have you gone into a STF and had the optional botched because some body had no clue what they were doing? this sort of thing ( if it didn't require team speak) could help allot of new people get a decent start and keep some of us long time players from blowing a gasket.
The shields won't stay up, because they failed to include the mandatory shield systems, yet did not rig the ship for full DPS to make this unnecessary. In short, the ship is disaster and does nothing to convince the player that the ship is a good buy. It can't even escape from the mass of Undine Fluidic Poo that gets rained on you during the mission, so you can't even move...something APO would have made clear!
FBP. In PvE. That was an utter waste of a SciCdr slot, pretty much forcing you to put the ship into Escort mode so you could actually get the guns to fire, seeing as your Sci slot was utterly worthless.
If someone didn't know this, they'd try uselessly to use that power, which would, of course, do no real damage, as NPCs cannot effectively hurt themselves, especially on a ship which probably doesn't have the spec needed to even effectively use FBP.
In short, that ship was a disaster, and it is far from the only one of its kind. That Temporal Ambassador ship is pretty much a trainwreck, but at least it was justified by not having an actual crew. The Dyson ship was allegedly crewed by its regulars, all of which were incompetent at their jobs.
I am looking forward to improving my pve skills and builds
and hoping i could join the classes.
Date: Saturday June 21st
Time:
United Kingdom Time Zone = 11:00 PM / UTC
US Eastern Time Zone = 6:00 PM / - 5 UTC
US Central Time Zone = 5:00 PM / -6 UTC
US Pacific Time Zone = 3:00 PM / -8 UTC
We are finding huge gaps coming from levels 1-49 game play people think the success to DPS is torpedoes.
The biggest area of concern is with bridge officers abilities, no TAC teams, attack patterns, hazards and no transfer shields. ( Something gameplay does not teach you)
So it's great to help others and to see people double there survivablity and DPS.
Big thanks to everyone who helped and looking forward to the next class Escort Builds.
http://www.omegaprimary.com/parsing-private-use-only/
They claim this so they are protecting the 'fun' in the game by disallowing posting of DPS results. In my experience, and the experience of every player in my fleet, and those whom I've helped out of the good will of my heart have found one thing that is higher amongst all else: fun is directly proportional to DPS. Let me ask you guys this, what's more fun? Blowing up one cube as a team taking 5 minutes, or soloing 10 cubes and melting them all within seconds? I'm pretty sure blowing everything up is much more fun than not caring about damage.
This fleet was enlisting my help for the PvE boot camp escort class, builds which I have a great deal of expertise. I was running an STF with these guys, and I could not believe how slow ISE took! I've seen the Starfleet Battles Channels (note that the forum post about this is called 'Not for High DPS'ers) did ISE faster than this crew.
What is the trouble here? The trouble is that Cryptic is entrusting to a fleet who concerns themselves not with DPS to run a boot camp on how to run STF's whose basis and measurement of difficulty is the amount of DPS needed to win.
Lets approach this from another angle: Its widely known and proven that in order to successfully defend probes in Khitomer Elite and the Borg BoP's in Cure Elite is approx. 4,500 DPS. Running STF's with the fleet, I was able to get their numbers. The fleet who is teaching how to run these PvE's properly (so you assume that they have enough DPS, right? wrong.) don't even enough DPS themselves. I've run multiple queues with this hosting fleet and every single time they were 3,500 or less on the DPS. Blakes_7 does have a somewhat respectable DPS level; however every other member in the fleet doesn't have enough DPS to run most STF's to get the optional. What does this mean? This means one thing here, a question which everyone should ask themselves before committing: Would you be willing to trust your DPS to someone who won't help their own people first?
Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM
Doesn't Owe Anyone EC
Kirks Prot
Tis quite sad, this bootcamp will help some a little, but if anyone wants to see their builds really improve, they'll still need to get help from some more experienced members of the community. If anyone really wants to get the most out of their ship, the DPS channels are really great, with some of the most experienced players in the game in there to help.
After looking at the builds linked at the top of the PvE Bootcamp link, in the "Builds & Boffs" tab, I regret not getting involved to ensure accurate build advice was being taught. Many inaccurate and outdated builds that just won't really do so well on that site. But now seeing that they got upset enough to ban you from their fleet's Teamspeak because you ASKED if anyone wanted to see their DPS from the parse you ran is quite pathetic. If they don't want players to even see their DPS numbers so they know how they're doing so that they can improve, then they're not really helping out the people in the courses. As it is, DPS is pretty much the only thing needed for PvE, and by blocking results for people to see if they're improving or need to change something, it does the opposite of what this intends.
http://gateway.startrekonline.com/#char(Vila Restal@Blakes_7)/ship-equipment
http://www.omegaprimary.com/avenger-basic-build/
http://www.omegaprimary.com/galaxy-build/
Here are basic builds they offer here. It doesn't take a genius or even the most experienced players to find out what is wrong here. Take the galaxy for example: no fire at will? honestly. I shouldn't have to explain the importance. mixed energy types as well. this is just sad!
Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM
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Kirks Prot
So my fleet which has been here in one form or another since Beta, told me about this PvE Boot Camp - which sounds quite wonderful on the surface. Community, helping people out, having a good time.
Except you aren't. You run it like a dictatorship, you shun opinions from those who have the experience, and you don't parse in ISE which in my mind is a like ****ting on a Jesus icon. It is. Why the **** bother even trying if you have no wish to improve your ships or builds???? You realize that the parsing is not a competition between your own people - its a way to help ALL of your team improve and set goals to make the best ship/build possible.
That's why it's there! Add a console - get the right duty officers, measure your powers out - bam you go from 3.5K to a 10K ship - pretty awesome. And no PVP involved - that's just knowing what your ship can do and what it can't.
There is a reason our fleet can do ISE 5 man and close it inside of 4 minutes. Because we help each other with our builds and specs - we don't downgrade each other - but we do offer contructive critism because we KNOW what works and doesn't work - as does most of the STO community. It's not rocket science.
You don't put torps on a beam FAW boat - for example - you don't! You suffer a huge loss in DPS just from that!
NOW
If you wanna run these missions for FUN and nothing else - here's an idea - DONT CALL IT A ****ING BOOT CAMP - how about Hello Kitty Spank my Monkey Club - because at least that would be more appropriate.
Personally I think this Blaze guy and I know you are reading this has some social issues.... maybe your the kind of person who licks your friends balls or maybe you just like to be the last one with the last word - especially when you are wrong... I think its the latter. Normally I wouldn't even entertain blowing this up in here but I have no tolerance for guys that think that because they know how to use a mouse and keyboard they all of a sudden know how to control and run everything else.... More like you know how to drown out everything and everyone that has a different point of view and you probably get off on "banning" ppl that would actually help you....
So.... those of you who would like REAL help - don't be afraid to ask - we will help you. US - the STO fleets out there - they will hook you up - most of them are over 21 and have actually had puberty and a job at some point.
Oh and if you didn't like what I said? I don't give a **** - I don't. Go **** yourself with a stolen **** I could care less... I do care about ppl dominating others and then keeping them down - its ****ty its wrong and its something North Korea would do.
Have a nice life
T'Lara
The Breakfast Club Intrafleet Sr Officer
I have seen worse builds, though the galaxy is really bad, nevermind the mix, but torps without torps skilled... skilltree itself isnt so bad either, but still far from good (too much maxed, too much unnecessary build). Especially on ground there is so much room for improvement^^
But I like the redundancy of HE and FAW in the A2B-Builds, exactly two skills which really go to global cd (unlike TT) with a2b.
Though I understand that not everyone wants to see parses, If one would take some time to explain it and the context (like why kase is only relevant for yourself and such). ACT is linked, not the userfriendliest out there and currently more a pvp-thing. And yeah, improvement without measurement is quite hard to accomplish.
Cant wait to read the post written tomorrow morning
Nice that this post just came from someone who was just kicked from our Fleet and TeamSpeak
Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM
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Kirks Prot
I've been in team with members of theses fleets (fed & kdf) also on ground. seriously. If by mistake you loot some stuff that fills their window of need-greed icon, they insult you and kick you out of their team !!
Plus after I had the lesson because they run pve boot camp with cryptics, that they can teach me how to play the game that they can recruit me ... etc etc ... like I'll join this people with the way they behave ...
some of these build are for new players wit no high end gear or rep gear...they are built with what you can get from the exchange for the least amout of EC and still put out fair dps while giving the new player the ability to survive over a few more points of dps and not useing the respawn point
For someone who puts out less than 5k dps in a JHAS verses my hunter putting out 12k ..................man you should be listing not talking TRIBBLE in the forums
also i am tanking everything in range and surviving while doing over double your dps
new players dont jump from level 50 with nothing including knowledge to being Jim Kirk You have much to learn is what i am saying
you dont parse dps with 2 new players in it doing 3k to 3 vets doing over 10k each
The new guys on there 3rd stf...its not good for moral
also you dont use the parser using the shield bonuses with romulans in the group showing even higher numbers for them verses klingon or fed players...give totaliy bs results
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
When I initially saw what fleet was hosting this, I looked up to see how experienced they are with the game. Based off of the builds on their site and the fact that they will kick you for posting DPS parses, can safely say that there are many more fleets out there with much more experience. Is all a big recruitment campaign for them.
Blake told Gibbs that Cryptic partnered with them for this to sell more Lifetime Memberships, apparently the goal is to get really inexperienced players that can't live and hate the game because of that upto a point where they can live enough that they enjoy the game, and want to dump money in, to improve their builds and to possibly purchase a Lifetime Membership.
BT Dubs, my JHAS does 10k
Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM
Doesn't Owe Anyone EC
Kirks Prot
you were being trained on a Opp run ..warned over 5 times not to loot....but to pay attention to the trigger lines
To learn from those in front of you .......to learn
you chose to go looting 2k items after repeated warning to not do so and to pay attention
which going after loot worth 2k....... turning your back to the borg to get it ment.. to our instructor you wernt taking the training seriously wasting our time
over 5 times is no accident
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
without plasmonic leach....or a maco shield.....how are you going to power 8 energy weapons ? 5 beam arrays use all the power a new player can generate...you assume he has unimited items and resources....He does not
this is for a new poor just starting player with no rep no fleet credits barley any ec
without romulan -threat consoles bfaw will send the new player to the respawn point a new player doesnt have these either
you show a lot of inexperence here
no we have records of your dps ..its 4.5k..........
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I would like the Jury to realize that this fleet wanted me to work the escort class, yet on the mention of a DPS parse, they go hide in a corner, or lose their sanity? How about the guy running this event is now cowering behind someone else to do the fighting for him? oh that's right! he doesn't have the DPS to fight for himself!
Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM
Doesn't Owe Anyone EC
Kirks Prot
I can assure you that Gibbs can do a bit more than that.
http://comatoes.github.io/sto-dps-league/ has many players DPS on it.
Ship build coordinator for The Breakfast Club http://WWW.TBCSTO.COM
Doesn't Owe Anyone EC
Kirks Prot