To be honest, I find it kind of funny that this thread's going over something that one could have sneezed and missed in that podcast. With the skill revamp being pushed back to S10 or later...and the claim that STO:X2 will be as large if not larger than STO:LoR - shouldn't there be far more concern about what sort of actual OP stuff Geko's planning to unleash on the masses?
C'mon, you know...it's going to be the Pakled Expansion with the Pakleds as a playable faction with ships that will leave the Roms crying for buffs. There were be so much OP stuff with so many convoluted mechanics, nobody will understand how any of it works...they'll just press their spacebars to make it go....
Hey now no dissing the Pakleds my palked just wants to go faster, cause we are strong. :P
The idea of buffing Vesta's hull point makes sense to me. It's pretty weak in durability for a ship of decent size. Can't think of any ship with hangar (usually a sign that ship quite big) to have such low hull point).
For me, Vesta isn't OP or even remotely close being the best Sci ship, not by a mile. Perhaps some PvE heroes feel this way and I don't blame them for not knowing better if PvE is all they do, therefore, if Cryptic consider buffing Vesta any other ways besides hull point buff - then I think it would still be justifiable. What would be a little over the top if they decide to buff the Wells.
The Nebula buff or revamp is much welcome. It's an under-appreciated ship and quite under-rated except by some fans of canon ships. While ideally suited for being a snooper, it can be a lot more than that. Nebula, although a Sci ship in design, it in fact flies more like a cruiser minus the Commander Eng station and Cruiser Command. I like to see a hybrid Cruiser-Sci ship version of the Fleet Nebula, which is still primarily a Science vessel but with more obvious cruiser like functions.
To this end, I think a 4 / 3 Weapons configuration is a good compromise between a Cruiser and a Sci ship. As for shield mod, impulse speed and turn rate - for balance reasons, they should remain the same as they are currently. It can use a set bonus from having both TDF and TDG, in addition to perhaps a new console unique to it to potentially make it a 3 piece set. Buff its hull points a little more to just under 40K, say 39K. It can also have 2 of the 4 Cruiser Command, say Weapons Efficiency and Shield Frequency since it plays mostly a support role in most situations, therefore, some Cruiser commands given to it would make sense.
The Vesta line doesn't need a "buff". Those ships are the best science vessels in the game.
It wouldn't hurt to take a second look at the Nebula/Magellan, though. They're not bad ships, but could use some polishing to generate renewed interest at endgame.
People ask for a viable Tier 5 Aquarius starship. It gets into the game, but barely just clears the line of being a vanity ship.
People don't really ask as much for a Hoh'Sus bird of prey... and get an excellent endgame bird of prey.
Not that I mind KDF-side getting more love... but isn't that a double-standard by comparison to realizing that the Aquarius has problems and willfully deciding not to attend them?
So, reverse-psychology, then.
Cryptic, the Galaxy is fine as-is. It doesn't need work.
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For the way the Vesta is described and performs in the books, I always thought it's HPs were way too low. Hopefully if they do revisit it, they can increase the ships actual size to be close to that of the Sovereign like it's supposed to be as Cryptic always claims if the specs exist they try to use them. I never liked the idea of why it was made smaller like they did just because of the higher turn rate excuse that they felt a ship the size of the Sovereign should not be able to turn like an escort.
It would be nice to see them fix the Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer Redemaker Class too as during the first week of the Vesta's release, the shield bubble on the back would drop when a shuttle was released and then pop back up. It was a cool animation that give the ship a nice little extra visual flair but they broke that animation when they fixed the bug that was causing some of the buff visuals to not display on the nacelles and now over a year later that animation has yet to return.
Every other federation cruiser. This is the federation shipyards forum. If you want to discuss the Scimitar, the Romulan Flotilla sub forum can be found here.
And that's your problem right there - you're comparing the Excelsior to a Scimitar, a ship intended to be OP by design because the developers decided to throw the balance in this game into the junk.
The entire Romulan faction and especially the Scimitar are designed to be OP on purpose, because that's the only way Cryptic thinks they'll get people to spend cash.
Is it stupid? Yes, yes it is. Incredibly stupid and shortsighted if you ask me.
Is your comment regarding the Scimitar vs. Excelsior comparison valid? Yeah, I guess it is, although you may get "smart guys" that'll tell you to be lucky the Excelsior is even as good as it is now, because it's "old".
However, leaving the OP-ness of the Romulans aside and discussing Fed ships - the Excelsior is pure awesomesauce. I'm telling you this from experience as someone who owns every Fed. cruiser. To me, nothing compares to the Excel. It's my go-to ship when I test any new content for the first time because I'm overconfident when I fly her. In fact, I started switching ships because being in the Excelsior started feeling a bit like an easy mode to me. The ship really is more than great as it is, it's the best damn cruiser in the Federation line for me.
And that's your problem right there - you're comparing the Excelsior to a Scimitar, a ship intended to be OP by design because the developers decided to throw the balance in this game into the junk.
The entire Romulan faction and especially the Scimitar are designed to be OP on purpose, because that's the only way Cryptic thinks they'll get people to spend cash.
Is it stupid? Yes, yes it is. Incredibly stupid and shortsighted if you ask me.
Is your comment regarding the Scimitar vs. Excelsior comparison valid? Yeah, I guess it is, although you may get "smart guys" that'll tell you to be lucky the Excelsior is even as good as it is now, because it's "old".
However, leaving the OP-ness of the Romulans aside and discussing Fed ships - the Excelsior is pure awesomesauce. I'm telling you this from experience as someone who owns every Fed. cruiser. To me, nothing compares to the Excel. It's my go-to ship when I test any new content for the first time because I'm overconfident when I fly her. In fact, I started switching ships because being in the Excelsior started feeling a bit like an easy mode to me. The ship really is more than great as it is, it's the best damn cruiser in the Federation line for me.
I have the Zen excelsior, and while i like it, I personally think the Assault cruiser refit is a bit better. But to each their own.
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And that's your problem right there - you're comparing the Excelsior to a Scimitar, a ship intended to be OP by design because the developers decided to throw the balance in this game into the junk.
The entire Romulan faction and especially the Scimitar are designed to be OP on purpose, because that's the only way Cryptic thinks they'll get people to spend cash.
Is it stupid? Yes, yes it is. Incredibly stupid and shortsighted if you ask me.
Is your comment regarding the Scimitar vs. Excelsior comparison valid? Yeah, I guess it is, although you may get "smart guys" that'll tell you to be lucky the Excelsior is even as good as it is now, because it's "old".
However, leaving the OP-ness of the Romulans aside and discussing Fed ships - the Excelsior is pure awesomesauce. I'm telling you this from experience as someone who owns every Fed. cruiser. To me, nothing compares to the Excel. It's my go-to ship when I test any new content for the first time because I'm overconfident when I fly her. In fact, I started switching ships because being in the Excelsior started feeling a bit like an easy mode to me. The ship really is more than great as it is, it's the best damn cruiser in the Federation line for me.
I know...........I own the ship..............and all of the other fed ships as well
The Avenger outclasses the Excelsior at every turn as well and is the best of all of the fed cruisers
in performance but looks like a trash can
And i know the entire romulan faction is OP to get all of those who need the i win button to buy there stuff
All of my romulns carry pitch forks wear straw hats and overalls and send there cash and dilithium to my Feds so i can buy all of the things my real star trek characters need as well
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
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Sad that people want the excel to be buffed, and the 3rd eng ens turned into uni. The Galaxy R saw no such favors done to it. Im for the eng uni for the excel but it needs absolutely nothing else. the Galaxy R needs a rework from ground up.
As for the vesta? It needs nothing. It is already the top sci ship, and its hull works just fine. I have no problem tanking tac cubes in it with a sci captain.
And for those asking for 3 tac consoles on the neb, again the galaxy r saw no such improvements. Why am I repeating that? Cause its a kick in the face to the galaxy and her fans. If you ask for the older ships to out do the galaxy which they sadly already do to be buffed its kinda hard to agree with buffing them.
Nebula is already a good sci ship but it did need some love, as do almost all the old cstore ships, defiant intrepid galaxy (again cause your reboot was a joke) vulcan ship, aquarius, etc all need some balance passes. Some need minor changes some need major changes. What im getting at is lets try not to forget them, maybe if everyone stays on geko he will come to his senses and fix them. Though dont count on it, his idea of balance is pretty laughable.
And I find it funny all it took was a prod from a podcast to get geko to look at the vesta, but over a 500+ page thread of players gets basicly ignored for years. If ship buffs are needed, the best sci ship is certainly NOT the place to start. *points to the back of the line at the oldest ships left behind* thats where to start.
Would a planned Vesta revamp include giving the Vesta its own unique bridge:D???
See that would be a nice revamp. And certainly wouldn't give anyone an excuse to call Cryptic out for trying to give more power to an already high-tier ship...
Uh, you guys better look at what didnt happen to the Galaxy before you start getting wiggly about the Nebula
I hate to admit it but history does not bode well for what we could expect here, I bought the Neb so I would love to see it improved, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Since a Nebula is a Galaxy hull, there should be a 4/3 weapons setup, or make the mission pod interchangeable, sci or tac
Not a bad idea. The Nebula was the first ship in STO to blur the lines between different ship types- as a cruiser-ish science ship. Giving it an extra weapons slot would make it a more powerful ship without making it op, make it a more desirable ship, make it even more of a hybrid.
the nebula is getting buffed, but not a plethora of other sci ships? does this mean the kdf will finally get the Voodieh class as a counterpart to the nebula?
Would a "Voodieh" be anything like the existing VoD'leh class?
The Vesta ships are very good if kitted out right, but the paper thin hull means in certain elite stfs if you draw too much aggro you just die. You spend a fair few powers trying to plug this weakness, which drives you into certain defensive builds. Good examples of elite stfs that tax the Vesta more than most other T5 ships are "The Cure", "Hive", and the new Undine one, "Viscous Cycle".
I'm pretty sure one or more of the Devs realised this after jumping in a Vesta and trying some elites. It's pretty obvious if you've flown any of the Vesta variants for any length of time. So I for one welcome a hull buff, it is well over due. The Vesta never should have been released with such a weak hull with a 3/3 weapon setup, and 12 turn rate.
Let me get this strait, the galaxy x gets a fairly substantial update, when all it needed was a fleet version. Now the nebula which was already a great ship will get improved. but in no way shape or form will the galaxy r, the worst ship in the game by a mile, the only ship among the 3 that needs improvement, they would dare touch.
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Hey now no dissing the Pakleds my palked just wants to go faster, cause we are strong. :P
For me, Vesta isn't OP or even remotely close being the best Sci ship, not by a mile. Perhaps some PvE heroes feel this way and I don't blame them for not knowing better if PvE is all they do, therefore, if Cryptic consider buffing Vesta any other ways besides hull point buff - then I think it would still be justifiable. What would be a little over the top if they decide to buff the Wells.
To this end, I think a 4 / 3 Weapons configuration is a good compromise between a Cruiser and a Sci ship. As for shield mod, impulse speed and turn rate - for balance reasons, they should remain the same as they are currently. It can use a set bonus from having both TDF and TDG, in addition to perhaps a new console unique to it to potentially make it a 3 piece set. Buff its hull points a little more to just under 40K, say 39K. It can also have 2 of the 4 Cruiser Command, say Weapons Efficiency and Shield Frequency since it plays mostly a support role in most situations, therefore, some Cruiser commands given to it would make sense.
It wouldn't hurt to take a second look at the Nebula/Magellan, though. They're not bad ships, but could use some polishing to generate renewed interest at endgame.
So, reverse-psychology, then.
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It would be nice to see them fix the Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer Redemaker Class too as during the first week of the Vesta's release, the shield bubble on the back would drop when a shuttle was released and then pop back up. It was a cool animation that give the ship a nice little extra visual flair but they broke that animation when they fixed the bug that was causing some of the buff visuals to not display on the nacelles and now over a year later that animation has yet to return.
Every other federation cruiser. This is the federation shipyards forum. If you want to discuss the Scimitar, the Romulan Flotilla sub forum can be found here.
And that's your problem right there - you're comparing the Excelsior to a Scimitar, a ship intended to be OP by design because the developers decided to throw the balance in this game into the junk.
The entire Romulan faction and especially the Scimitar are designed to be OP on purpose, because that's the only way Cryptic thinks they'll get people to spend cash.
Is it stupid? Yes, yes it is. Incredibly stupid and shortsighted if you ask me.
Is your comment regarding the Scimitar vs. Excelsior comparison valid? Yeah, I guess it is, although you may get "smart guys" that'll tell you to be lucky the Excelsior is even as good as it is now, because it's "old".
However, leaving the OP-ness of the Romulans aside and discussing Fed ships - the Excelsior is pure awesomesauce. I'm telling you this from experience as someone who owns every Fed. cruiser. To me, nothing compares to the Excel. It's my go-to ship when I test any new content for the first time because I'm overconfident when I fly her. In fact, I started switching ships because being in the Excelsior started feeling a bit like an easy mode to me. The ship really is more than great as it is, it's the best damn cruiser in the Federation line for me.
I have the Zen excelsior, and while i like it, I personally think the Assault cruiser refit is a bit better. But to each their own.
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I know...........I own the ship..............and all of the other fed ships as well
The Avenger outclasses the Excelsior at every turn as well and is the best of all of the fed cruisers
in performance but looks like a trash can
And i know the entire romulan faction is OP to get all of those who need the i win button to buy there stuff
All of my romulns carry pitch forks wear straw hats and overalls and send there cash and dilithium to my Feds so i can buy all of the things my real star trek characters need as well
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I want my buffed super OP new Nebula!
you mean your nebula with a hanger added? lol.
Sad that people want the excel to be buffed, and the 3rd eng ens turned into uni. The Galaxy R saw no such favors done to it. Im for the eng uni for the excel but it needs absolutely nothing else. the Galaxy R needs a rework from ground up.
As for the vesta? It needs nothing. It is already the top sci ship, and its hull works just fine. I have no problem tanking tac cubes in it with a sci captain.
And for those asking for 3 tac consoles on the neb, again the galaxy r saw no such improvements. Why am I repeating that? Cause its a kick in the face to the galaxy and her fans. If you ask for the older ships to out do the galaxy which they sadly already do to be buffed its kinda hard to agree with buffing them.
Nebula is already a good sci ship but it did need some love, as do almost all the old cstore ships, defiant intrepid galaxy (again cause your reboot was a joke) vulcan ship, aquarius, etc all need some balance passes. Some need minor changes some need major changes. What im getting at is lets try not to forget them, maybe if everyone stays on geko he will come to his senses and fix them. Though dont count on it, his idea of balance is pretty laughable.
And I find it funny all it took was a prod from a podcast to get geko to look at the vesta, but over a 500+ page thread of players gets basicly ignored for years. If ship buffs are needed, the best sci ship is certainly NOT the place to start. *points to the back of the line at the oldest ships left behind* thats where to start.
If they're gonna do that, they should have it launch mission pods as the pets!
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It already comes with saucer separation...
...yep, folks have no problem separating its saucer from its hull.
I want a hangar that launches Galaxy Class Saucers!
Aux powwred Beam arrays !
Woop
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Not a bad idea. The Nebula was the first ship in STO to blur the lines between different ship types- as a cruiser-ish science ship. Giving it an extra weapons slot would make it a more powerful ship without making it op, make it a more desirable ship, make it even more of a hybrid.
Geko, you listening?
No no no, saucers from the Galaxy X, with the mini lance and antimatter spread of course.
...you want a Carrier or the world's biggest Nerf Disk Launcher?!
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Would a "Voodieh" be anything like the existing VoD'leh class?
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I'm pretty sure one or more of the Devs realised this after jumping in a Vesta and trying some elites. It's pretty obvious if you've flown any of the Vesta variants for any length of time. So I for one welcome a hull buff, it is well over due. The Vesta never should have been released with such a weak hull with a 3/3 weapon setup, and 12 turn rate.
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