The scary thing here being that you're probably completely right.
Because that's Cryptic's lazy way of "fixing" things - "When in doubt, slap a hangar!"
Yeah, a hangar or a 2-piece console set Ala SS/AMS. Maybe even combined with the ion torpedo. 2/3 piece set triples ionized torpedo speed.
Now that could be a potential lethal cloak hunter.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
If that happens I'll probably laugh, cry and throw up. I'm sure about the order, though.
Eh, I would've experienced the same, but after datamining proved that there will probably be an Undine lockbox something just clicked within me that made me indifferent. If this happens I'll just go "meh" as I've been going "meh" for most of the stuff lately.
Ofcourse, this also means that mu wallet is in a "meh" mood towards the game and it will remain "meh" until they pull their act back together.
You making up something? Could be, but probably not in this instance. You claiming Geko said it? Eh, if you did make it up, attributing it to Geko could be fun! But again, in this instance, I don't think that's the case.
Something lasting on the forums for this long without any research or attribution? Absolutely I can believe that happening. And that has zero to do with you or this topic or anything.
All someone has to do is listen to priority one's last podcast that I mentioned if they want to hear it for themselves.
All someone has to do is listen to priority one's last podcast that I mentioned if they want to hear it for themselves.
Geko says a lot of stuff. Very little of it seems to actually happen. Until it turns up in the Tribble patch notes this is pure speculation.
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All someone has to do is listen to priority one's last podcast that I mentioned if they want to hear it for themselves.
Ah, I think you misunderstood my post, which was a swipe at the forums themselves and the collective grist of everyone, and not at all directed at you.
I believe what you posted.
I just was going off track a bit and pointing out that the forums aren't known for zealous oversight and watchdog tendencies, so on more than one occasion there have been threads with no verification that hung around for ages. This is completely divergent from your posts. So I'm sorry if my little swipe seemed to be directed at you. It was not. I apologize for any confusion.
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
What? That is a joke right? Fleet Excelsior is a-OK.
That's season 9, so it's coming.
the excelsior might be ok for .................you
You dont speak for the rest of us ..........And dont presume too thats a joke
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Cause that's the way Cryptic tend to improve ships: Slap a hangar bay on it and it's fine (As seen with the Dreadnought Cruiser and Tactical (Carrier) Warbird)
But... those improvements are only a small fraction of improvements they have done since the first expansion last year. Cruiser comm arrays, flanking, secondary deflectors...
But... those improvements are only a small fraction of improvements they have done since the first expansion last year. Cruiser comm arrays, flanking, secondary deflectors...
Kind of. Those changes were more toward an entire category of starship (cruiser, raider, science) rather than a single specific ship. When it comes to those (Gal-X, Ar'kif) they just stick a hangar bay on it and call it a revamp.
Kind of. Those changes were more toward an entire category of starship (cruiser, raider, science) rather than a single specific ship. When it comes to those (Gal-X, Ar'kif) they just stick a hangar bay on it and call it a revamp.
Kind of. Those changes were more toward an entire category of starship (cruiser, raider, science) rather than a single specific ship. When it comes to those (Gal-X, Ar'kif) they just stick a hangar bay on it and call it a revamp.
To be fair, the gal-x hanger was talked about well over a year before the ar'kif even existed. The changes from the twitter post showing the shotgun blast to the actual release was really small. Now the ar'kif getting a hanger, yeah...
Honestly, I'll be surprised if the vesta gets anything more than 10% extra hull. For the Nebula, I have no idea what they would do, but changes for these ships (save the ar'kif) seem to take a while to get out.
More hangers for everyone! Let's give the Nebbie a hanger, then give the Vesta another one just because (along with the above saucer separation), more hull, another forward weapon slot, a frigate pet, and give the consoles another handful of set bonuses.
And battlecloak, because people like that. You know. To be balanced.
the excelsior might be ok for .................you
You dont speak for the rest of us ..........And dont presume too thats a joke
The Excelsior is fine. If it's not fine for you, you should start up a thread in the shipyard or the builds forums and get some advice from people who can help you get more out of the ship. It's performance is still top notch. And the ship doesn't need a balance pass. At all.
People ask for a viable Tier 5 Aquarius starship. It gets into the game, but barely just clears the line of being a vanity ship.
People don't really ask as much for a Hoh'Sus bird of prey... and get an excellent endgame bird of prey.
Not that I mind KDF-side getting more love... but isn't that a double-standard by comparison to realizing that the Aquarius has problems and willfully deciding not to attend them?
Here's a (probably completely impractical) thought. The Nebula pod's functionality basically is the detection consoles right? It doesn't serve any purpose if you don't have one slotted.
So it kinda follows that if they put in a 'tactical' pod based on the torpedo launcher version from the shows, this would also be a console (rather than a weapon slot item). That would give us a 4/3 weapon load out, without actually adding a new weapon slot.
While I'm dreaming, maybe the set bonus for having all the consoles could be some kind of torpedo power, thus simulating having more tac boff abilities.
the excelsior might be ok for .................you
You dont speak for the rest of us ..........And dont presume too thats a joke
If you're being serious, and you say you are and you think that the Excelsior is not OK in STO - you need to uninstall STO and spend at least a year contemplating what you just said until you come back.
Here's a (probably completely impractical) thought. The Nebula pod's functionality basically is the detection consoles right? It doesn't serve any purpose if you don't have one slotted.
So it kinda follows that if they put in a 'tactical' pod based on the torpedo launcher version from the shows, this would also be a console (rather than a weapon slot item). That would give us a 4/3 weapon load out, without actually adding a new weapon slot.
While I'm dreaming, maybe set set bonus for having all the consoles could be some kind of torpedo power, thus simulating having more tac boff abilities.
You know all those other posts I made about how they won't add another weapon to the ship? Well your idea is slightly different. And is something I think could be done, sidestepping previous discussion Geko has had on the science ship loadout and itemization budget. And it falls in line with what they just did with the Dyson science ship, kind of.
I for one have been a huge fan of the Nebula ever since it got released into the game. I picked up the fleet version for my Sci captain and switch back to it every once in a while just because I like flying it so much. I would love to see the idea of the different mission pods (Sci, Tact, or Engy) equippable on that ship. It would definitely make me take it out a lot more.
Funnily enough my Sci captain is in his Vesta right now and personally if it is going to receive some sort of buff the only ones I could see is a small hull buff ( to around 30000) or possibly the Aux powered beam arrays. Other than those 2 things the Vesta is fine IMO.
The Excelsior is a fabulous ship. Even more so since the removal of shared cooldowns between "Team" abilities.
Compared to what is it fabulous ?
My Fleet Excelsior is completly outclssed by the scimitar just like the rest of my Fed ships
1000zen for tier 3 excel
2500 zen for tier 5 excel
fleet module for fleet 500 zen
4000 zen for excelcior
2500 zen for scimitar
scim had 3x my DPS....................3x the dps..............3x the dps
has battlecloak
has singularity powers on the warp core
has a better turn rate
has the best pets in the game they do 3k dps on there own
and can tank just as good as the excelsior
I got 6 rommies
3 kdf
5 feds
and i got the ships
there isnt any reason for the feds to be so outclassed as they are
its patethic is what it is
Weakest ships
Weakest characters
Weakest primary weapon
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Umm... the Excelsior Class isn't a Scimitar Dreadnought. The Fed Dreadnought tho isn't coming close to the Scimitar either... the Avenger maybe. MAYBE.
But yeah, if the Excelsior had that kind of an DPS power then I'd see a loud 'NERF IT' feedback.
My Fleet Excelsior is completly outclssed by the scimitar just like the rest of my Fed ships
1000zen for tier 3 excel
2500 zen for tier 5 excel
fleet module for fleet 500 zen
4000 zen for excelcior
2500 zen for scimitar
scim had 3x my DPS....................3x the dps..............3x the dps
has battlecloak
has singularity powers on the warp core
has a better turn rate
has the best pets in the game they do 3k dps on there own
and can tank just as good as the excelsior
I got 6 rommies
3 kdf
5 feds
and i got the ships
there isnt any reason for the feds to be so outclassed as they are
its patethic is what it is
Weakest ships
Weakest characters
Weakest primary weapon
LOL, you are comparing a good, balanced ship to the most Overpowered Ship belonging to the most Overpowered Faction that happens to have some of the most Overpowered Consoles. After that, they have Romulan / Reman BOFFs that have Overpowered, faction specific BOFF traits that ridiculously stack to laughably Overpowered levels.
You must have been drinking in the Romulan Kool-Aid so much that when you tried something else, your inferior playstyle and knowledge comes through.
Here's a final news hint: The Romulans have broken this game, and enabled more power to people that otherwise could not perform with regular Fed **AND** KDF ships. The Romulans sacrifice NOTHING in design for all that they can do. And the Scimitar is the very epitome of that.
And you are comparing an otherwise, very solid ship, the Excelsior in all its iterations, to the very definition of STO Broken Overpoweredness.
The fact that you can't shine in an Excelsior and only in an Overpowered Scimitar should tell us enough about what you can do with the game and its ships. Many have had very solid, very well performing Fed TAC Cruisers, which the Excelsior is a part of. And they still do. In PVP AND PVE. Matter of fact, now more than ever, it is even "MOAR EASY" to do.
To be honest, I find it kind of funny that this thread's going over something that one could have sneezed and missed in that podcast. With the skill revamp being pushed back to S10 or later...and the claim that STO:X2 will be as large if not larger than STO:LoR - shouldn't there be far more concern about what sort of actual OP stuff Geko's planning to unleash on the masses?
C'mon, you know...it's going to be the Pakled Expansion with the Pakleds as a playable faction with ships that will leave the Roms crying for buffs. There were be so much OP stuff with so many convoluted mechanics, nobody will understand how any of it works...they'll just press their spacebars to make it go....
Well the only thing going for it is that the Nebula was originally one of Al's babies - so if he follows through with the buffing he mentioned - hopefully he will pay it closer attention.
4/3 weapons load out
1.5 shield mod
10 turn
3/3/4 Tac/Eng/Sci console layout for the fleet version.
Enhance the T5 version of Tachyon detection field - maybe make some extra powers or skills from making the T3 version + the T5 version a set - have a build that can detect all Romulan ships no matter where they hide!!
I like your suggestions. If they do that, I may consider playing STO again.
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Yeah, a hangar or a 2-piece console set Ala SS/AMS. Maybe even combined with the ion torpedo. 2/3 piece set triples ionized torpedo speed.
Now that could be a potential lethal cloak hunter.
Eh, I would've experienced the same, but after datamining proved that there will probably be an Undine lockbox something just clicked within me that made me indifferent. If this happens I'll just go "meh" as I've been going "meh" for most of the stuff lately.
Ofcourse, this also means that mu wallet is in a "meh" mood towards the game and it will remain "meh" until they pull their act back together.
All someone has to do is listen to priority one's last podcast that I mentioned if they want to hear it for themselves.
A Phoenix variant would be a cool addition too.
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Ah, I think you misunderstood my post, which was a swipe at the forums themselves and the collective grist of everyone, and not at all directed at you.
I believe what you posted.
I just was going off track a bit and pointing out that the forums aren't known for zealous oversight and watchdog tendencies, so on more than one occasion there have been threads with no verification that hung around for ages. This is completely divergent from your posts. So I'm sorry if my little swipe seemed to be directed at you. It was not. I apologize for any confusion.
no pets for the nebula plz !...moar Beef
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
the excelsior might be ok for .................you
You dont speak for the rest of us ..........And dont presume too thats a joke
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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Kind of. Those changes were more toward an entire category of starship (cruiser, raider, science) rather than a single specific ship. When it comes to those (Gal-X, Ar'kif) they just stick a hangar bay on it and call it a revamp.
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To be fair, the gal-x hanger was talked about well over a year before the ar'kif even existed. The changes from the twitter post showing the shotgun blast to the actual release was really small. Now the ar'kif getting a hanger, yeah...
More hangers for everyone! Let's give the Nebbie a hanger, then give the Vesta another one just because (along with the above saucer separation), more hull, another forward weapon slot, a frigate pet, and give the consoles another handful of set bonuses.
And battlecloak, because people like that. You know. To be balanced.
The Excelsior is fine. If it's not fine for you, you should start up a thread in the shipyard or the builds forums and get some advice from people who can help you get more out of the ship. It's performance is still top notch. And the ship doesn't need a balance pass. At all.
I like the way you think.
totally agreed!
People ask for a viable Tier 5 Aquarius starship. It gets into the game, but barely just clears the line of being a vanity ship.
People don't really ask as much for a Hoh'Sus bird of prey... and get an excellent endgame bird of prey.
Not that I mind KDF-side getting more love... but isn't that a double-standard by comparison to realizing that the Aquarius has problems and willfully deciding not to attend them?
So it kinda follows that if they put in a 'tactical' pod based on the torpedo launcher version from the shows, this would also be a console (rather than a weapon slot item). That would give us a 4/3 weapon load out, without actually adding a new weapon slot.
While I'm dreaming, maybe the set bonus for having all the consoles could be some kind of torpedo power, thus simulating having more tac boff abilities.
If you're being serious, and you say you are and you think that the Excelsior is not OK in STO - you need to uninstall STO and spend at least a year contemplating what you just said until you come back.
You know all those other posts I made about how they won't add another weapon to the ship? Well your idea is slightly different. And is something I think could be done, sidestepping previous discussion Geko has had on the science ship loadout and itemization budget. And it falls in line with what they just did with the Dyson science ship, kind of.
So here's me saying, "Hey, that could work."
Definitely a creative idea on what could be done.
Funnily enough my Sci captain is in his Vesta right now and personally if it is going to receive some sort of buff the only ones I could see is a small hull buff ( to around 30000) or possibly the Aux powered beam arrays. Other than those 2 things the Vesta is fine IMO.
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What!?!
The Excelsior is a fabulous ship. Even more so since the removal of shared cooldowns between "Team" abilities.
Compared to what is it fabulous ?
My Fleet Excelsior is completly outclssed by the scimitar just like the rest of my Fed ships
1000zen for tier 3 excel
2500 zen for tier 5 excel
fleet module for fleet 500 zen
4000 zen for excelcior
2500 zen for scimitar
scim had 3x my DPS....................3x the dps..............3x the dps
has battlecloak
has singularity powers on the warp core
has a better turn rate
has the best pets in the game they do 3k dps on there own
and can tank just as good as the excelsior
I got 6 rommies
3 kdf
5 feds
and i got the ships
there isnt any reason for the feds to be so outclassed as they are
its patethic is what it is
Weakest ships
Weakest characters
Weakest primary weapon
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
But yeah, if the Excelsior had that kind of an DPS power then I'd see a loud 'NERF IT' feedback.
LOL, you are comparing a good, balanced ship to the most Overpowered Ship belonging to the most Overpowered Faction that happens to have some of the most Overpowered Consoles. After that, they have Romulan / Reman BOFFs that have Overpowered, faction specific BOFF traits that ridiculously stack to laughably Overpowered levels.
You must have been drinking in the Romulan Kool-Aid so much that when you tried something else, your inferior playstyle and knowledge comes through.
Here's a final news hint: The Romulans have broken this game, and enabled more power to people that otherwise could not perform with regular Fed **AND** KDF ships. The Romulans sacrifice NOTHING in design for all that they can do. And the Scimitar is the very epitome of that.
And you are comparing an otherwise, very solid ship, the Excelsior in all its iterations, to the very definition of STO Broken Overpoweredness.
The fact that you can't shine in an Excelsior and only in an Overpowered Scimitar should tell us enough about what you can do with the game and its ships. Many have had very solid, very well performing Fed TAC Cruisers, which the Excelsior is a part of. And they still do. In PVP AND PVE. Matter of fact, now more than ever, it is even "MOAR EASY" to do.
:rolleyes:
C'mon, you know...it's going to be the Pakled Expansion with the Pakleds as a playable faction with ships that will leave the Roms crying for buffs. There were be so much OP stuff with so many convoluted mechanics, nobody will understand how any of it works...they'll just press their spacebars to make it go....
I like your suggestions. If they do that, I may consider playing STO again.