FOOL! Release MEEEEEEEEEEE!!! You can't even IMAGINE what you are MEDDLING with! I am a SERVANT of the ICONIANS, and they will NOT be pleased to discover me enTOMBED in your PITIFUL BOX!
This was so well written. I actually could hear the VO work. I laughed at this. You made my day.
On the subject, my science character has died in the Foundry series in which I introduced him. His name is Gelrun. He was assimilated, after which his next clone killed himself to stay out of the hands the Borg himself.
And the next in this Vorta line is now flying a Nebula. I could detail how a Vorta should fly a Nebula, but not right now. Gonna start on a college, so this is a story for a different time.
And yes, only my Vorta dies, since he can just trigger Gelrun 6, 7, 8, 9, and so on.
Saw a rerun of stargate yesterday and though, wouldn't Harkeev do the exact same thing Baal did? clone himself a 1000 times^^
I mean Harkeev likes himself so much...
exactly the point, people like to have an antagonist like Hakeev to focus on. a randomy enemy that comes and goes doesnt really help. one of STO's biggest success was the Hakeev character.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
On the subject, my science character has died in the Foundry series in which I introduced him. His name is Gelrun. He was assimilated, after which his next clone killed himself to stay out of the hands the Borg himself.
And the next in this Vorta line is now flying a Nebula. I could detail how a Vorta should fly a Nebula, but not right now. Gonna start on a college, so this is a story for a different time.
And yes, only my Vorta dies, since he can just trigger Gelrun 6, 7, 8, 9, and so on.
In a strange coincidence, my Vorta also flies a Nebula.
As noted by Jack Sparrow, "The deepest circle of Hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers." (From Dante's Inferno, originally.) I would certainly think betraying the entire galaxy qualifies. (Which means that's Janeway's final destination, too.)
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I'd like to resurrect Dr Cooper. He was really funny without being annoying and helped progress the story very well. It would be good to see him again.
I'd like the option to kill off Tovan... not because I don't like him, but just to stop the constant requests.
It says a lot that STO NPCs invoke the feelings that they do. It's obvious a lot of work goes into making/writing them. They're one of the real joys of this game.
i Think Its Time For Admiral Quinn To Go Hes Too Old Now And Sto Seems To Need Fresh Blood In The Captains Chair .... So Kill Quinn GIVE TUVOK HIS CHANCE IN THE SEAT !! AND WITH DS9 GETTING WORKED ON NEXT BRING BACK SISKO TO TAKE OVER
Nothing against them, but they have become plot devices. They both suffer from multiple personality disorder, as each new season brings new missions that star these guys with new and exciting random changes to their behaviors. Shon for example had a total meltdown in the latest episode (step between stars).
Getting rid of these two will force cryptic to build up other characters and the on-going story, rather than just morph the same old faces to fit.
No one I'd like to kill off, but I would really like to see a return of Molor. He's supposed to be the big bad of Klingon mythology, the arch-nemesis of Kahless himself...and in the game, he's there for all of two seconds before he gets punked by some uppity protagonist with a disruptor. If Cryptic ever decides to bring the Fek'lhri back, then I'd like to see Molor return as a proper big bad.
I'd like to resurrect Dr Cooper. He was really funny without being annoying and helped progress the story very well. It would be good to see him again.
I'd like the option to kill off Tovan... not because I don't like him, but just to stop the constant requests.
It says a lot that STO NPCs invoke the feelings that they do. It's obvious a lot of work goes into making/writing them. They're one of the real joys of this game.
Do we know original cooper is actually dead?
I mean I read somewhere here in forums that there is an obvious hint to when he got replaced in the reworked missions...
But as far as I know he could still be alive somewhere...
Nothing against them, but they have become plot devices. They both suffer from multiple personality disorder, as each new season brings new missions that star these guys with new and exciting random changes to their behaviors. Shon for example had a total meltdown in the latest episode (step between stars).
Getting rid of these two will force cryptic to build up other characters and the on-going story, rather than just morph the same old faces to fit.
Na not Worf. I want him as chancellor.
Also hes a nice connection the the original ST universe^^
Also Cryptic killed of enough iconic original characters.
I'd kill VOY Q (John DeLancie), Neelix, Vash, Ezri and CPT Kirk in Turnabout Intruder.
I would only resurrect the All Good Things future Data.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
No one I'd like to kill off, but I would really like to see a return of Molor. He's supposed to be the big bad of Klingon mythology, the arch-nemesis of Kahless himself...and in the game, he's there for all of two seconds before he gets punked by some uppity protagonist with a disruptor. If Cryptic ever decides to bring the Fek'lhri back, then I'd like to see Molor return as a proper big bad.
Have a cloned Molor meet the cloned Kahless. They can go for blood wine sometime. And perhaps try to kill each other again.
My only problem with Alexander's death - a very moving scene for those who've been watching him, and his father, since way back in TNG - is that Worf says at the start that "help is on the way." And then they have that drawn-out, wonderfully dramatic death scene. That takes at LEAST two real time minutes. In the middle of the Great Hall itself. No medics. (And no guards to vaporize the dishonorable petaQ where he stands, before he could even land the blow.) Nobody. Everyone, apparently, just stands around watching while a man bleeds out all over the Chancellor's nice carpet.
Eighty years or so ago, a young Jean-Luc Picard suffered a very similar injury - stabbed right through the heart. He got better. Why not Alexander?
It's the "Phoenix Down for Aeris" problem all over again.
As noted by Jack Sparrow, "The deepest circle of Hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers." (From Dante's Inferno, originally.) I would certainly think betraying the entire galaxy qualifies. (Which means that's Janeway's final destination, too.)
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
She missed the opportunity to successfully make first contact with the Undine... The later episode showed that they could be negotiated and coexisted with. Had she done that first, rather than allying with the Borg, the Undine might not have become the galactic threat they have...
Some people are of the opinion that by allying with the Borg to stop the Undine wiping everybody out, Janeway was betraying the Galaxy.
"Wiping everybody out", right. Which they were doing because ... a single completely untrained psychic with no track record of reliable telepathy or precognition said so. And because one single solitary Undine attacked them after she made moves that could most certainly be construed as hostile by a species that has never seen ordinary humanoids before. And because her ops officer had an allergic reaction to being scratched by one during said attack.
And then in the later episode she cites a Starfleet regulation that says she is supposed to make every effort towards a peaceful resolution. And does she bother to try and gather information from the several spacefaring races we've seen that are living safely in Borg space? Does she take the even more sensible option of invoking the Prime Directive and just steering well clear of the whole damn mess?
No, because she's bound and ****ing determined to take the ship straight through Borg space, because **** logic, she goes gallivanting off and gives tactical and strategic assistance to a species that is known to be in a state of war against the Federation and in fact every intelligent being in the entire ****ing galaxy. That is treason, accessory to genocide, violation of standing orders and plain common sense (i.e. to defend the Federation), just so the writers could get ex-Borg TRIBBLE onto the ship.
There is no defense other than writer fiat.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
"Wiping everybody out", right. Which they were doing because ... a single completely untrained psychic with no track record of reliable telepathy or precognition said so. And because one single solitary Undine attacked them after she made moves that could most certainly be construed as hostile by a species that has never seen ordinary humanoids before. And because her ops officer had an allergic reaction to being scratched by one during said attack.
And then in the later episode she cites a Starfleet regulation that says she is supposed to make every effort towards a peaceful resolution. And does she bother to try and gather information from the several spacefaring races we've seen that are living safely in Borg space? Does she take the even more sensible option of invoking the Prime Directive and just steering well clear of the whole damn mess?
No, because she's bound and ****ing determined to take the ship straight through Borg space, because **** logic, she goes gallivanting off and gives tactical and strategic assistance to a species that is known to be in a state of war against the Federation and in fact every intelligent being in the entire ****ing galaxy. That is treason, accessory to genocide, violation of standing orders and plain common sense (i.e. to defend the Federation), just so the writers could get ex-Borg TRIBBLE onto the ship.
There is no defense other than writer fiat.
I'm not derailing this thread by getting into an argument on the subject. I made my views clear in the original thread.
Who would I kill off? Elisa Flores. She's irritating.
Who would I resurrect? Everyone on Virinat. Easy.
Not for any plot reason, but because it's the decent thing to do.
"Wiping everybody out", right. Which they were doing because ... a single completely untrained psychic with no track record of reliable telepathy or precognition said so. And because one single solitary Undine attacked them after she made moves that could most certainly be construed as hostile by a species that has never seen ordinary humanoids before. And because her ops officer had an allergic reaction to being scratched by one during said attack.
And then in the later episode she cites a Starfleet regulation that says she is supposed to make every effort towards a peaceful resolution. And does she bother to try and gather information from the several spacefaring races we've seen that are living safely in Borg space? Does she take the even more sensible option of invoking the Prime Directive and just steering well clear of the whole damn mess?
No, because she's bound and ****ing determined to take the ship straight through Borg space, because **** logic, she goes gallivanting off and gives tactical and strategic assistance to a species that is known to be in a state of war against the Federation and in fact every intelligent being in the entire ****ing galaxy. That is treason, accessory to genocide, violation of standing orders and plain common sense (i.e. to defend the Federation), just so the writers could get ex-Borg TRIBBLE onto the ship.
There is no defense other than writer fiat.
This^^^^^^^
Getting Seven onto Voyager could've been handled SO much better. Have her be a lone survivor on one of those nuked cubes the Undine hit, for chrissake; hell, the moment the Borg showed up, Voyager should've turned into a show about these characters trying to stay under the radar just outside of Borg space while starting, I dunno, the Federation In The Delta Quadrant or something.
As it is, "Scorpion" is a titanic pile of TRIBBLE, and if it is to be taken as complete canon, Janeway is the worst monster since WW3 finished up in the 2050s.
IMO she was simply making the best of a bad situation. It was a classic moment of choosing between bad(Borg) and worse(Undine).
But anyways... maybe find a wrecked cube that was blasted by the Undine? There were a lot of them apparently, maybe not all were completely obliterated?
IMO she was simply making the best of a bad situation. It was a classic moment of choosing between bad(Borg) and worse(Undine).
Look, the problem is they completely failed to establish that the Undine were worse than the Borg, at which point helping the latter becomes marginally more acceptable. The evidence in favor was specious at best (Kes' say-so, basically), and they didn't even bother to verify anything by the various means I already noted.
What Janeway knew was that somebody was waging an offensive war against a civilization that has killed -- I'm gonna go with -- trillions of people over the centuries, and was winning. What Janeway could have figured out if she'd stopped and thought about it for half a second was that the Borg were highly likely to have been the aggressors (as was indeed the case).
But the Undine being worse than the Borg? Utterly unsupported by the evidence at hand, which makes her actions completely indefensible. The correct options are to either A) jot down in the logs that something's going on, then invoke the Prime Directive and ignore the whole mess (it's one of the few times following it could have actually done measurable good), or attempt diplomatic contact with the Undine, as was apparently required by Starfleet Directive 010 according to "In the Flesh", which by the way is the same episode which establishes that the Undine possess a basic humanoid sense of ethics, unlike the Borg. Allying with the Borg? That's the part where Chakotay, as executive officer of Voyager, has the legal and moral responsibility to declare Janeway unfit to command the ship and throw her in the brig until she comes to her senses, and take command himself.
I don't give a flying **** about authorial intent. If you wrote your character being a traitorous war criminal, regardless of whether you meant to, I will bloody well call your character a traitorous war criminal.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Not for any plot reason, but because it's the decent thing to do.
But leave every other colony burnt to ashes?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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This was so well written. I actually could hear the VO work. I laughed at this. You made my day.
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And the next in this Vorta line is now flying a Nebula. I could detail how a Vorta should fly a Nebula, but not right now. Gonna start on a college, so this is a story for a different time.
And yes, only my Vorta dies, since he can just trigger Gelrun 6, 7, 8, 9, and so on.
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exactly the point, people like to have an antagonist like Hakeev to focus on. a randomy enemy that comes and goes doesnt really help. one of STO's biggest success was the Hakeev character.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Is it Gre'thor?
Hmm... maybe bring back Gowron?
My character Tsin'xing
As noted by Jack Sparrow, "The deepest circle of Hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers." (From Dante's Inferno, originally.) I would certainly think betraying the entire galaxy qualifies. (Which means that's Janeway's final destination, too.)
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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I'd like the option to kill off Tovan... not because I don't like him, but just to stop the constant requests.
It says a lot that STO NPCs invoke the feelings that they do. It's obvious a lot of work goes into making/writing them. They're one of the real joys of this game.
Nothing against them, but they have become plot devices. They both suffer from multiple personality disorder, as each new season brings new missions that star these guys with new and exciting random changes to their behaviors. Shon for example had a total meltdown in the latest episode (step between stars).
Getting rid of these two will force cryptic to build up other characters and the on-going story, rather than just morph the same old faces to fit.
Do we know original cooper is actually dead?
I mean I read somewhere here in forums that there is an obvious hint to when he got replaced in the reworked missions...
But as far as I know he could still be alive somewhere...
Na not Worf. I want him as chancellor.
Also hes a nice connection the the original ST universe^^
Also Cryptic killed of enough iconic original characters.
I would only resurrect the All Good Things future Data.
Have a cloned Molor meet the cloned Kahless. They can go for blood wine sometime. And perhaps try to kill each other again.
He is an annoying, incompentent, spaz. Isn't he?
At least the annoying fake accent commander who bosses your Flag officer around, had the decency to die from a Jem Hadar axe to the skull.
Eighty years or so ago, a young Jean-Luc Picard suffered a very similar injury - stabbed right through the heart. He got better. Why not Alexander?
It's the "Phoenix Down for Aeris" problem all over again.
What did Janeway do to betray the galaxy?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Some people are of the opinion that by allying with the Borg to stop the Undine wiping everybody out, Janeway was betraying the Galaxy.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
She missed the opportunity to successfully make first contact with the Undine... The later episode showed that they could be negotiated and coexisted with. Had she done that first, rather than allying with the Borg, the Undine might not have become the galactic threat they have...
"Wiping everybody out", right. Which they were doing because ... a single completely untrained psychic with no track record of reliable telepathy or precognition said so. And because one single solitary Undine attacked them after she made moves that could most certainly be construed as hostile by a species that has never seen ordinary humanoids before. And because her ops officer had an allergic reaction to being scratched by one during said attack.
And then in the later episode she cites a Starfleet regulation that says she is supposed to make every effort towards a peaceful resolution. And does she bother to try and gather information from the several spacefaring races we've seen that are living safely in Borg space? Does she take the even more sensible option of invoking the Prime Directive and just steering well clear of the whole damn mess?
No, because she's bound and ****ing determined to take the ship straight through Borg space, because **** logic, she goes gallivanting off and gives tactical and strategic assistance to a species that is known to be in a state of war against the Federation and in fact every intelligent being in the entire ****ing galaxy. That is treason, accessory to genocide, violation of standing orders and plain common sense (i.e. to defend the Federation), just so the writers could get ex-Borg TRIBBLE onto the ship.
There is no defense other than writer fiat.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
I'm not derailing this thread by getting into an argument on the subject. I made my views clear in the original thread.
Who would I kill off? Elisa Flores. She's irritating.
Who would I resurrect? Everyone on Virinat. Easy.
Not for any plot reason, but because it's the decent thing to do.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
This^^^^^^^
Getting Seven onto Voyager could've been handled SO much better. Have her be a lone survivor on one of those nuked cubes the Undine hit, for chrissake; hell, the moment the Borg showed up, Voyager should've turned into a show about these characters trying to stay under the radar just outside of Borg space while starting, I dunno, the Federation In The Delta Quadrant or something.
As it is, "Scorpion" is a titanic pile of TRIBBLE, and if it is to be taken as complete canon, Janeway is the worst monster since WW3 finished up in the 2050s.
But anyways... maybe find a wrecked cube that was blasted by the Undine? There were a lot of them apparently, maybe not all were completely obliterated?
My character Tsin'xing
Look, the problem is they completely failed to establish that the Undine were worse than the Borg, at which point helping the latter becomes marginally more acceptable. The evidence in favor was specious at best (Kes' say-so, basically), and they didn't even bother to verify anything by the various means I already noted.
What Janeway knew was that somebody was waging an offensive war against a civilization that has killed -- I'm gonna go with -- trillions of people over the centuries, and was winning. What Janeway could have figured out if she'd stopped and thought about it for half a second was that the Borg were highly likely to have been the aggressors (as was indeed the case).
But the Undine being worse than the Borg? Utterly unsupported by the evidence at hand, which makes her actions completely indefensible. The correct options are to either A) jot down in the logs that something's going on, then invoke the Prime Directive and ignore the whole mess (it's one of the few times following it could have actually done measurable good), or
I don't give a flying **** about authorial intent. If you wrote your character being a traitorous war criminal, regardless of whether you meant to, I will bloody well call your character a traitorous war criminal.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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But leave every other colony burnt to ashes?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Kurland here *psycho music and Kurland with red eyes, a disfigured face and a machete appears at your window*
What's funny is that All Good Things future is at least ten years in STO's past