Yeah a "frigate" that is bigger than the Intrepid...brilliant idea.:rolleyes:
There's no canon source for the size of that class (but it's canon, that it's classified as frigate) and even IF, Cryptic could still make their "own" version anyway. :rolleyes:
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Umm why does the federation need everything that everybody else has?
If it's not frigate pets, it's "We wants battle cloaks for feds!". Jesus christ can we have just a LITTLE diversity?
Just a little? Not like the feds don't have outstanding ships.
Vesta, Gal-X, Assault cruiser refit, Battlecruiser, Defiant class, Akira/tactical carrier, Atrox carrier, I mean the list goes on.
Seriously. I think some of that should go AWAY. Not to mention the fact as I've said before, since the romulans get singularity abilities, they should lose battle cloak and battle cloak should only be given to the klingons so they have some kind of edge.
Sorry, Feds don't need all the toys the other factions have.
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A carrier pet at the same level as the Bop would be nice, but using the Miranda would be stupid. How about something like the scout ship data flys in insurrection?
Umm why does the federation need everything that everybody else has?
If it's not frigate pets, it's "We wants battle cloaks for feds!". Jesus christ can we have just a LITTLE diversity?
Just a little? Not like the feds don't have outstanding ships.
Vesta, Gal-X, Assault cruiser refit, Battlecruiser, Defiant class, Akira/tactical carrier, Atrox carrier, I mean the list goes on.
Seriously. I think some of that should go AWAY. Not to mention the fact as I've said before, since the romulans get singularity abilities, they should lose battle cloak and battle cloak should only be given to the klingons so they have some kind of edge.
Sorry, Feds don't need all the toys the other factions have.
Vesta- your right it has no equal.
Gal-x is equal to all the other dreadnoughts in game, and the kdf even gets a lance on a destroyer. really it doesnt hold a candle to the power the other dreadnoughts can wield tactically but its tough as shi.
ACR- does have a unique weapon but its meh other than that.
Battle cruiser- the avenger and mogh are carbon copys of eachother. so not exactly unique unless your a romulan.
Defiant- we get it it has 5 tac consoles.
Akira - the romulans have a version so not unique and the kdf has all those flight deck cruisers and the kar'fi so again not unique.
atrox- the vo'quv
As for diversity the federation is the only faction that DOES NOT have frigate pets so that isn't really diversity.
And as I said this is probably because the federation also doesn't have a carrier and all the frigate pets are bound to a specific carrier.
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How about something like the scout ship data flys in insurrection?
The Insurrection scout ship Data flies is smaller than it looks (I just re-watced insurrection) and it's actually no bigger than a runabout, which is already a smaller carrier pet, so unfortunately, this isn't an option for a frigate pet.
I like the idea of an aquarius pet though, that sounds great to me... the problem is this. For Klingons, they have 2 frigate pets: Birds-of-Prey, and Fek'Ihri frigates. BoPs can only go on the VoQuv, and Fek Frigates can only go on the Fek'Ihri carrier. For the Romulans, the Drone ship can only go on the scimitar warbirds.
Now, if we were to introduce an aquaris frigate-class pet, it would probably have to be for 1 specific ship (but as it happens we only have one 'full' 2-hangar carrier, the Caitian Atrox). So, following the pattern with the other 2 factions, the aquarius would be specifically designed for the Atrox.
However, the problem is the atrox already has its own specific pet - the Stalker Stealth fighters. That's the issue... either we introduce a new full, 2-hangar carrier with specific frigate pets, or we make the aquarius available to all carriers.
I'd love to launch an aquarius from my vesta! But that's not my main point, my point is we have to do one of the two things above if this is going to work.
The Insurrection scout ship Data flies is smaller than it looks (I just re-watced insurrection) and it's actually no bigger than a runabout, which is already a smaller carrier pet, so unfortunately, this isn't an option for a frigate pet.
I like the idea of an aquarius pet though, that sounds great to me... the problem is this. For Klingons, they have 2 frigate pets: Birds-of-Prey, and Fek'Ihri frigates. BoPs can only go on the VoQuv, and Fek Frigates can only go on the Fek'Ihri carrier. For the Romulans, the Drone ship can only go on the scimitar warbirds.
Now, if we were to introduce an aquaris frigate-class pet, it would probably have to be for 1 specific ship (but as it happens we only have one 'full' 2-hangar carrier, the Caitian Atrox). So, following the pattern with the other 2 factions, the aquarius would be specifically designed for the Atrox.
However, the problem is the atrox already has its own specific pet - the Stalker Stealth fighters. That's the issue... either we introduce a new full, 2-hangar carrier with specific frigate pets, or we make the aquarius available to all carriers.
I'd love to launch an aquarius from my vesta! But that's not my main point, my point is we have to do one of the two things above if this is going to work.
The Aquarius is part of the Odyssey though. Not to mention it's not a Caitian ship, so it can't be exclusive to the Atrox anyway.
The Aquarius is part of the Odyssey though. Not to mention it's not a Caitian ship, so it can't be exclusive to the Atrox anyway.
I agree that the Aquarius is part of the odyssey, but it's the only current frigate-size federation starship. Also, just like the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship or the Bird of Prey, it can be bought and piloted as its very own escort.
On your second point about not being exclusive to the atrox, as I said in my post, the atrox already has its own specific carrier pets, the stalker stealth fighters. That's why, as I said in my post, we either need a new full carrier, or a new frigate pet (or the aquarius) made available to all carriers.
How about No. How about for once the fed side does not need to be cookie cutter and have everything another side has.
Want Frigate sized carrier, go roll a KDF and be done with it.
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My point is, I came from a game where everything was exactly the same, just different skins. It was called Battlestar Galactica online. It was really quite boring. So no, I am flatly against the federation getting a carrier with frigate pets.
Feds do just fine they way they are. Thankyou please come again.
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My point is, I came from a game where everything was exactly the same, just different skins. It was called Battlestar Galactica online. It was really quite boring. So no, I am flatly against the federation getting a carrier with frigate pets.
Feds do just fine they way they are. Thankyou please come again.
My point was your argument assumes the mechanic is exclusive to one side.
It is not, it is in fact exclusive of one side, the feds.
3 years ago and many lock boxes you would have been right, carriers only existed for the kdf.
Now every faction has a carrier and even the non faction (lock box) carriers have some access to a frigate pet.
The only ones that don't are the atrox and obelisk.
And that's just full carriers. as the romulan dreadnought even gets a frigate classed pet.
Should there just be a cookie cutter fed carrier with a cookie cutter fed frigate pet? No.
Should there be something that offers a comparable mechanic? Yes
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My point was your argument assumes the mechanic is exclusive to one side.
It is not, it is in fact exclusive of one side, the feds.
3 years ago and many lock boxes you would have been right, carriers only existed for the kdf.
Now every faction has a carrier and even the non faction (lock box) carriers have some access to a frigate pet.
The only ones that don't are the atrox and obelisk.
And that's just full carriers. as the romulan dreadnought even gets a frigate classed pet.
Should there just be a cookie cutter fed carrier with a cookie cutter fed frigate pet? No.
Should there be something that offers a comparable mechanic? Yes
To that last part, why should there be? By your logic then everybody should have something equal to battle cloaks and singularities. Which hasn't happened, nor do i think it will.
Sometimes to set things apart, it's better to have something just for one faction.
Considering that Romulans got battle cloak, everybody got carriers, i think it's fair to leave 1, just one thing KDF specific.
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To that last part, why should there be? By your logic then everybody should have something equal to battle cloaks and singularities. Which hasn't happened, nor do i think it will.
Sometimes to set things apart, it's better to have something just for one faction.
Considering that Romulans got battle cloak, everybody got carriers, i think it's fair to leave 1, just one thing KDF specific.
I didn't say equal I said equivalent mechanic
Think of it like this
Side a has swords a slashing weapon
side b has axes a chopping weapon
and side c has maces a crushing weapon
Each side has a way of doing the same thing but with a unique mechanic
What I would want out of a fed carrier pet isn't exactly just a copy of a current frigate pet. I don't think sending hordes of redshirts to their death is the way the federation is supposed to work (regardless of how it actually works).
i would want something that allows me to do the same thing ( x level of damage per pet) but in a more federation way, perhaps as a debuffing drone or some such nonsense.
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Each side has a way of doing the same thing but with a unique mechanic
What I would want out of a fed carrier pet isn't exactly just a copy of a current frigate pet. I don't think sending hordes of redshirts to their death is the way the federation is supposed to work (regardless of how it actually works).
i would want something that allows me to do the same thing ( x level of damage per pet) but in a more federation way, perhaps as a debuffing drone or some such nonsense.
There already is. Have yellowstone run abouts, some of the strongest carrier pets around, frigate or none frigate.
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There already is. Have yellowstone run abouts, some of the strongest carrier pets around, frigate or none frigate.
To be frank, I think that's a poor attitude. Runabouts aren't frigates, and although their good, they're not what this post is about, nor is it what people want; People want a frigate pet for Feds. KDF and romulan battle cloaks are different because they match the canon Star Trek stories, that Klingons and romulans have cloaks, but the federation in general doesn't. In the Star Trek 'universe', there is no KDF carrier, and the scimitar just has a lot of scorpion fighters, not some big 'drone ship'. The fact is, Klingons and Rommies have access to something very good and unique: carrier pets, which AREN'T in canon.
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To that last part, why should there be? By your logic then everybody should have something equal to battle cloaks and singularities. Which hasn't happened, nor do i think it will.
Sometimes to set things apart, it's better to have something just for one faction.
Considering that Romulans got battle cloak, everybody got carriers, i think it's fair to leave 1, just one thing KDF specific.
frigate pets aren't kdf specific
Battle cloak and singularity ability's aren't exactly the same as pets. cloak itself isn't even equipment and singularity ability's are another matter entirely.
And neither are carrier pets, which is what we were talking about.
And by my argument yes perhaps we should all get some extra mechanics to balance it out, but like I have said before i don't think we should all get the SAME mechanics.
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To be frank, I think that's a poor attitude. Runabouts aren't frigates, and although their good, they're not what this post is about, nor is it what people want; People want a frigate pet for Feds. KDF and romulan battle cloaks are different because they match the canon Star Trek stories, that Klingons and romulans have cloaks, but the federation in general doesn't. In the Star Trek 'universe', there is no KDF carrier, and the scimitar just has a lot of scorpion fighters, not some big 'drone ship'. The fact is, Klingons and Rommies have access to something very good and unique: carrier pets, which AREN'T in canon.
Why can't the federation? Answer me that.
So what's the atrox and it's pets, chopped liver?
Also have to remember how big a reliant class ship is compared to a B'rel. B'rel is TINY compared to a reliant. Reliant has a crew of over 200, and is 233 Meters long. To be able to launch 4 of them you're going to need a ship LARGER than a dominion carrier just to launch them.
Vs a Jem'hadar that is less than 90 meters and the B'rel is around 110 Meters. So to have actual fed carrier that can actually carry mirandas, you're going to need a ship almost twice as large as any carrier present. Now the aquarius could be used, but IIRC it's still larger than either frigate pet which is still going to require a much larger carrier.
So, to get the frigates you so desparately want, you're going to need a brand new ship to carry them.
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No, feds don't need another carrier. Nobody needs another carrier, but that's another matter.
I would like to see a Starfleet ship that makes use of the Separation mechanic, though. And that would be your Frigate pet. Imagine multi-vector separation on a larger cruiser - there was a ship back in the conception phase of STO made by a different company that had two holes in the saucer. Some kind of drone could fit in there, for example.
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Also have to remember how big a reliant class ship is compared to a B'rel. B'rel is TINY compared to a reliant. Reliant has a crew of over 200, and is 233 Meters long. To be able to launch 4 of them you're going to need a ship LARGER than a dominion carrier just to launch them.
Vs a Jem'hadar that is less than 90 meters and the B'rel is around 110 Meters. So to have actual fed carrier that can actually carry mirandas, you're going to need a ship almost twice as large as any carrier present. Now the aquarius could be used, but IIRC it's still larger than either frigate pet which is still going to require a much larger carrier.
So, to get the frigates you so desparately want, you're going to need a brand new ship to carry them.
What have I been saying all along? Another frigate pet, whether it be the aquarius, or something completely new that's more similarly-sized, is needed. I agree with you that the reliant and miranda-class frigates are far too large to be canon carrier frigates, but let's do what we've done since the beginning of STO: Make a new ship.
Obviously it isnt a perfect example but its close. Note in the specifications section the difference between payload weights and vehicle weights. Its obvious that there are a large number of systems devoted to a pilot that are fairly heavy.
Imagine if I took a yellowstone and filled up its passenger space with remote relay controlls and weapons. then it could put out the same damage a frigate might and still be fairly small.
And drones seem more federation than manned vehicles, no reason to send all those redshirts to death when their console will explode and kill them anyway.
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To be frank, I think that's a poor attitude. Runabouts aren't frigates, and although their good, they're not what this post is about, nor is it what people want; People want a frigate pet for Feds. KDF and romulan battle cloaks are different because they match the canon Star Trek stories, that Klingons and romulans have cloaks, but the federation in general doesn't. In the Star Trek 'universe', there is no KDF carrier, and the scimitar just has a lot of scorpion fighters, not some big 'drone ship'. The fact is, Klingons and Rommies have access to something very good and unique: carrier pets, which AREN'T in canon.
What have I been saying all along? Another frigate pet, whether it be the aquarius, or something completely new that's more similarly-sized, is needed. I agree with you that the reliant and miranda-class frigates are far too large to be canon carrier frigates, but let's do what we've done since the beginning of STO: Make a new ship.
I still fail to see what the problem is here.
The fact that the game is sliding into cookie cutter mold. I'd rather step AWAY from that.
For example Roms get the singularites and normal cloak. KDF gets carriers with Frigates and battle cloaks. Feds well most content and most ships overall since they already got that plus they have ships that no other side has.
IE Vesta, and way better cruisers than other factions.
Again, lets have something in one faction that nobody else has. I'd rather them find some other balanace against frigate pets then just "lets just give EVERYBODY frigate pets."
Add in the fact the federation doesn't need another ship. How bout we get some more ships in the romulan and KDF order of battle first.
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The Feds can summon photonic fleets they can do the same damn thing for carriers.
Just fire a bunch of custom drones equipped with holo-emitters out the torpedo tubes and... viola! instant squadrons of whatever the hell the damn drones are programmed to create.
I really like this idea, though it would fit better with a console to some Z store science ship.
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I have always wondered why there arent more thngs like the bio-neural warhead.
Think about it, instead of an explosive payload it could just hang around firing that damn turret at everything. That turret does stupid damage so it may need tuned but it seems like it would fit the ideals of the federation more than asking a sentient computer to blow itself up.
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I think it's pretty funny that Humanity has a rich history of Carriers, yet it seems that Star Trek completely ignores the Super Carriers of Humanity's past.
It's like all history and knowledge of warfare after WW3 happened was completely forgotten...
You know, that's actually a plausible theory, considering the Federation's extremely poor tactical choices, under-armed and unarmored Security forces, and the fact that it seems they've lost most knowledge of military style hand-to-hand combat...
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There's no canon source for the size of that class (but it's canon, that it's classified as frigate) and even IF, Cryptic could still make their "own" version anyway. :rolleyes:
If it's not frigate pets, it's "We wants battle cloaks for feds!". Jesus christ can we have just a LITTLE diversity?
Just a little? Not like the feds don't have outstanding ships.
Vesta, Gal-X, Assault cruiser refit, Battlecruiser, Defiant class, Akira/tactical carrier, Atrox carrier, I mean the list goes on.
Seriously. I think some of that should go AWAY. Not to mention the fact as I've said before, since the romulans get singularity abilities, they should lose battle cloak and battle cloak should only be given to the klingons so they have some kind of edge.
Sorry, Feds don't need all the toys the other factions have.
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Vesta- your right it has no equal.
Gal-x is equal to all the other dreadnoughts in game, and the kdf even gets a lance on a destroyer. really it doesnt hold a candle to the power the other dreadnoughts can wield tactically but its tough as shi.
ACR- does have a unique weapon but its meh other than that.
Battle cruiser- the avenger and mogh are carbon copys of eachother. so not exactly unique unless your a romulan.
Defiant- we get it it has 5 tac consoles.
Akira - the romulans have a version so not unique and the kdf has all those flight deck cruisers and the kar'fi so again not unique.
atrox- the vo'quv
As for diversity the federation is the only faction that DOES NOT have frigate pets so that isn't really diversity.
And as I said this is probably because the federation also doesn't have a carrier and all the frigate pets are bound to a specific carrier.
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^ This. Besides, we don't need a frigate, this is the Federation, not the galactic empire.
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The Insurrection scout ship Data flies is smaller than it looks (I just re-watced insurrection) and it's actually no bigger than a runabout, which is already a smaller carrier pet, so unfortunately, this isn't an option for a frigate pet.
I like the idea of an aquarius pet though, that sounds great to me... the problem is this. For Klingons, they have 2 frigate pets: Birds-of-Prey, and Fek'Ihri frigates. BoPs can only go on the VoQuv, and Fek Frigates can only go on the Fek'Ihri carrier. For the Romulans, the Drone ship can only go on the scimitar warbirds.
Now, if we were to introduce an aquaris frigate-class pet, it would probably have to be for 1 specific ship (but as it happens we only have one 'full' 2-hangar carrier, the Caitian Atrox). So, following the pattern with the other 2 factions, the aquarius would be specifically designed for the Atrox.
However, the problem is the atrox already has its own specific pet - the Stalker Stealth fighters. That's the issue... either we introduce a new full, 2-hangar carrier with specific frigate pets, or we make the aquarius available to all carriers.
I'd love to launch an aquarius from my vesta! But that's not my main point, my point is we have to do one of the two things above if this is going to work.
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I agree that the Aquarius is part of the odyssey, but it's the only current frigate-size federation starship. Also, just like the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship or the Bird of Prey, it can be bought and piloted as its very own escort.
On your second point about not being exclusive to the atrox, as I said in my post, the atrox already has its own specific carrier pets, the stalker stealth fighters. That's why, as I said in my post, we either need a new full carrier, or a new frigate pet (or the aquarius) made available to all carriers.
Want Frigate sized carrier, go roll a KDF and be done with it.
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By that logic...
Whant content? Roll a fed and be done with it....
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FYI, my first character and my main is a: Fed tac officer with an Avenger, please try again.
My point is, I came from a game where everything was exactly the same, just different skins. It was called Battlestar Galactica online. It was really quite boring. So no, I am flatly against the federation getting a carrier with frigate pets.
Feds do just fine they way they are. Thankyou please come again.
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My point was your argument assumes the mechanic is exclusive to one side.
It is not, it is in fact exclusive of one side, the feds.
3 years ago and many lock boxes you would have been right, carriers only existed for the kdf.
Now every faction has a carrier and even the non faction (lock box) carriers have some access to a frigate pet.
The only ones that don't are the atrox and obelisk.
And that's just full carriers. as the romulan dreadnought even gets a frigate classed pet.
Should there just be a cookie cutter fed carrier with a cookie cutter fed frigate pet? No.
Should there be something that offers a comparable mechanic? Yes
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To that last part, why should there be? By your logic then everybody should have something equal to battle cloaks and singularities. Which hasn't happened, nor do i think it will.
Sometimes to set things apart, it's better to have something just for one faction.
Considering that Romulans got battle cloak, everybody got carriers, i think it's fair to leave 1, just one thing KDF specific.
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I didn't say equal I said equivalent mechanic
Think of it like this
Side a has swords a slashing weapon
side b has axes a chopping weapon
and side c has maces a crushing weapon
Each side has a way of doing the same thing but with a unique mechanic
What I would want out of a fed carrier pet isn't exactly just a copy of a current frigate pet. I don't think sending hordes of redshirts to their death is the way the federation is supposed to work (regardless of how it actually works).
i would want something that allows me to do the same thing ( x level of damage per pet) but in a more federation way, perhaps as a debuffing drone or some such nonsense.
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There already is. Have yellowstone run abouts, some of the strongest carrier pets around, frigate or none frigate.
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To be frank, I think that's a poor attitude. Runabouts aren't frigates, and although their good, they're not what this post is about, nor is it what people want; People want a frigate pet for Feds. KDF and romulan battle cloaks are different because they match the canon Star Trek stories, that Klingons and romulans have cloaks, but the federation in general doesn't. In the Star Trek 'universe', there is no KDF carrier, and the scimitar just has a lot of scorpion fighters, not some big 'drone ship'. The fact is, Klingons and Rommies have access to something very good and unique: carrier pets, which AREN'T in canon.
Why can't the federation? Answer me that.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Bird-of-Prey
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Yellowstone_Runabouts
What makes a frigate class pet stand out is the number of weapons and abilities it has.
the first like is the basic kdf frigate the bop. Available at the ship yard vendor
The second link is the Yellowstone runabouts available with a t5 sb 100k fc and i think 25k dil.
You'll notice that the super cheep bot while not having high level powers or weapons still has more than the runabout.
lets look at the others
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Qaw%27Dun_Birds-of-Prey
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Elite_Fer%27Jai_Frigates
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Elite_Tholian_Mesh_Weaver
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Elite_Jem%27Hadar_Attack_Ship
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You can easily see that the frigates are in a unique class when it coms to both the number of weapons and the number of powers.
And while one of those frigates is behind a HUGE pay wall the others are mostly just as easy to get as any fed side anything.
Like I said shouldn't there be an option available to the last remaining faction that doesn't have a faction specific frigate pet?
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its about looks
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frigate pets aren't kdf specific
Battle cloak and singularity ability's aren't exactly the same as pets. cloak itself isn't even equipment and singularity ability's are another matter entirely.
And neither are carrier pets, which is what we were talking about.
And by my argument yes perhaps we should all get some extra mechanics to balance it out, but like I have said before i don't think we should all get the SAME mechanics.
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So what's the atrox and it's pets, chopped liver?
Also have to remember how big a reliant class ship is compared to a B'rel. B'rel is TINY compared to a reliant. Reliant has a crew of over 200, and is 233 Meters long. To be able to launch 4 of them you're going to need a ship LARGER than a dominion carrier just to launch them.
Vs a Jem'hadar that is less than 90 meters and the B'rel is around 110 Meters. So to have actual fed carrier that can actually carry mirandas, you're going to need a ship almost twice as large as any carrier present. Now the aquarius could be used, but IIRC it's still larger than either frigate pet which is still going to require a much larger carrier.
So, to get the frigates you so desparately want, you're going to need a brand new ship to carry them.
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I would like to see a Starfleet ship that makes use of the Separation mechanic, though. And that would be your Frigate pet. Imagine multi-vector separation on a larger cruiser - there was a ship back in the conception phase of STO made by a different company that had two holes in the saucer. Some kind of drone could fit in there, for example.
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What have I been saying all along? Another frigate pet, whether it be the aquarius, or something completely new that's more similarly-sized, is needed. I agree with you that the reliant and miranda-class frigates are far too large to be canon carrier frigates, but let's do what we've done since the beginning of STO: Make a new ship.
I still fail to see what the problem is here.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Hangar_-_Elite_Romulan_Drone_Ship
which, by the way, can be equipped on a Romulan scimitar with only 1 hangar bay.
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Note specificaly the payload capacity vs weight.
Obviously it isnt a perfect example but its close. Note in the specifications section the difference between payload weights and vehicle weights. Its obvious that there are a large number of systems devoted to a pilot that are fairly heavy.
Imagine if I took a yellowstone and filled up its passenger space with remote relay controlls and weapons. then it could put out the same damage a frigate might and still be fairly small.
And drones seem more federation than manned vehicles, no reason to send all those redshirts to death when their console will explode and kill them anyway.
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The fact that the game is sliding into cookie cutter mold. I'd rather step AWAY from that.
For example Roms get the singularites and normal cloak. KDF gets carriers with Frigates and battle cloaks. Feds well most content and most ships overall since they already got that plus they have ships that no other side has.
IE Vesta, and way better cruisers than other factions.
Again, lets have something in one faction that nobody else has. I'd rather them find some other balanace against frigate pets then just "lets just give EVERYBODY frigate pets."
Add in the fact the federation doesn't need another ship. How bout we get some more ships in the romulan and KDF order of battle first.
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I really like this idea, though it would fit better with a console to some Z store science ship.
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Think about it, instead of an explosive payload it could just hang around firing that damn turret at everything. That turret does stupid damage so it may need tuned but it seems like it would fit the ideals of the federation more than asking a sentient computer to blow itself up.
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not everyone is in a fleet
not everyone WANTS to be in a fleet
It's like all history and knowledge of warfare after WW3 happened was completely forgotten...
You know, that's actually a plausible theory, considering the Federation's extremely poor tactical choices, under-armed and unarmored Security forces, and the fact that it seems they've lost most knowledge of military style hand-to-hand combat...
Well then...