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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    That would be like admitting he is useless though. Could disturb their inner zen. :P

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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    I thought you could change who your first officer was in game?

    I know I did do it wages ago, but not really looked since.

    As for his cut scenes... well, they are his scenes.

    This seems to be more about those who roleplay and he does not fit their back stories - that would be the only reason to be worked up over who a first officer is (as it makes no difference in game yet).

    Need to check up on what duaths1 said, but if that is right, then the gamers cannot moan as you get the slot for him for free.

    No you do not get a free boff slot with him. He takes up one of the normal sots. Cause I bought two extra slots, which brings you up from 6 slots to 8 slots, not 9.

    Sorry Tovan eats up a normal boff slot. PERIOD.
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  • alaerickalaerick Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    He's like a Romulan Ryker..

    I really wish there was an option to trade him in for an officer of your choice (or keep him) at the end of the storyline. I'd of let him go be captain of his own ship. I hated hearing him question my orders.. as if it wasn't bad enough Cryptic already decided what orders I'd give.. they decided to make him say "Are you sure we really want to be doing this?" WTF?
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    alaerick wrote: »
    He's like a Romulan Ryker..

    I really wish there was an option to trade him in for an officer of your choice (or keep him) at the end of the storyline. I'd of let him go be captain of his own ship. I hated hearing him question my orders.. as if it wasn't bad enough Cryptic already decided what orders I'd give.. they decided to make him say "Are you sure we really want to be doing this?" WTF?

    riker only went as far as protecting the captain from danger like DeSoto and Picard, but he never told Picard how to run his own ship as he had too much respect for Picard and the captaincy he was going for. Khev on the other hand only warned his captain about trouble and then tried to rule the ship leaving you to be a mouthpiece.
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    That's another concern I had, Tovan needs to know his place in the chain of command.

    Offer advice sure, but he's not the Captain, I am.

    And I happen to be a Liberated Borg with experience beyond what he could he ever hope to have.
    I should actually be the one teaching him!

    Keep in mind that Borg have enhanced physical strength, it's not wise to provoke someone who can break your arm just by twisting it casually.....


    Basically, the reason I want him gone is simple military protocol.
    He's guilty of insorbindation, so should be dismissed from service.

    He's lucky he's not getting executed......

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,459 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Since when is a Romulan character in a military service? You're part of a militia being drummed up by a would-be Unificationist who has to unify his own people first. Militaries are for groups like Starfleet or the KDF, where there's a semi-stable government behind them. Why, that's even sillier than calling Sela's Tal Shiar bully-boys a "military"!
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Since when is a Romulan character in a military service? You're part of a militia being drummed up by a would-be Unificationist who has to unify his own people first. Militaries are for groups like Starfleet or the KDF, where there's a semi-stable government behind them. Why, that's even sillier than calling Sela's Tal Shiar bully-boys a "military"!

    even in a terrorist group there is a structure in place to avoid outright confusion. just after you left virinat colony and after the attack by Hakeev but just before you warp out, you get greeted by a dhelen and t'liss republic warbirds and then invited to become a part of a military group of the republic (which you have no choice in the matter). it is a Colonial defense force protecting a flotilla. after this and finding the homeworld it becomes a military group because a republic government was setup and validated by several other major powers in the alpha quadrant as legitimate.

    as for Sela's control over the superstate, according to path to power Sela's control over the military and Tal Shiar was fragile at best due to a number of actions she took, Tomalok and assassinations she alledgedly carried out, their military is loose collection of groups working together only to the point of survival rather then allies. the republic in contrast is looking to establish itself, naturally there will be chaos at first, like packing up your stuff into boxes, put into a van and unpacking them at a new house only to discover a few things are not quite right and they have to be moved to a side, then you goto be at work in a few days, and all the paper work needs to be filled out along with family issues. so chaos essentially, after a few days it calms down, like the republic it will calm down, however Sela's group will remain volatile and with her missing and a power vacuum and the death of hakeev, its only gonna make things even more unstable.
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  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Since when is a Romulan character in a military service? You're part of a militia being drummed up by a would-be Unificationist who has to unify his own people first. Militaries are for groups like Starfleet or the KDF, where there's a semi-stable government behind them. Why, that's even sillier than calling Sela's Tal Shiar bully-boys a "military"!

    Even if he's not in military service, it's common practice for a ship's crew to have a hierarchy to be followed. Even on a cruise liner, the Captain is in charge...
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Getting rid of him completely is not a good idea ... The forums and Help tickets would soon be filled with idiots that dismissed him by mistake and now need him for a story mission, or they threw him out an airlock, and now want to replay a mission and can't because he's required.

    So that's a BAD idea to make him disposable ...

    But ... Cryptic I hope you're reading ... Quick easy and simple to implement fix:

    Give him Superior Romulan Operative and make him customizable ... That would make most (though not all i know) player happy.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I still like the idea I and another goer came up with.

    After Haakeev is dealt with, D'Tan comes to you and tells you he needs more officers to command new ships coming out of the yards and Tovan would make a good captain.

    You can choose to give up Tovan so he can gain a command of his own, or you can refuse and say you need him aboard your command.

    That way the people who want to keep him can, but those who do not want him any longer can be rid of him.

    Simple, easy effective.
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  • blazeritterblazeritter Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Tovan had me the from the beginning when he asked me to go tapping him 2 seconds after we met.

    But seriously, I liked the development of the character. It made playing through the storyline feel more interesting, and I wish you could legitimately do that with more bridge officers. It made me actually start to care - in some small way - about my crew.

    Imagine if you had the option to do missions to actually get your own Seven of Nine-style character and help him/her grow into a model officer, or Ensign Ro just coming out of the stockades.

    You just need it to be optional so that those who want to do it can and those who don't can avoid it instead of complaining. A way to genuinely promote the characters (say from green to blue to purple) would be good, too.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Since when is a Romulan character in a military service?

    Even on pirate ships, which by their very nature aren't very officious, the Captain is Da Boss.
    Cross them and you're walking the plank. If you're lucky!

    The first thing I would do upon acquiring a ship is say, okay, we need a solid team dynamic, you have chosen me as your Captain, orders are as follows etc.

    And later on, when we choose an ally, we become a part of their military.

    By Starfleets' standards, Tovan would be dismissed for overstepping his bounds as "civilian advisor". Even Admirals, the highest ranking Officers can be charged if they challenge a Captain's authority.

    The KDF wouldn't be so generous, the Captain would be required to kill him to avenge the insult to their honor.
    Or the crew would do it on the Captain's behalf.


    bendalek wrote: »
    Getting rid of him completely is not a good idea ... The forums and Help tickets would soon be filled with idiots that dismissed him by mistake and now need him for a story mission, or they threw him out an airlock, and now want to replay a mission and can't because he's required.

    So introduce a Reclaim function via a console vendor.
    Problem solved.

    But he's not as essential as you might think.......

    I purchased the Reman Borg (Tactical BOFF) as soon as I was able, shortly after character creation.
    And he was promptly assigned to take over Tovan's position as Tactical Officer during all the missions.

    The missions went just fine in spite of the fact Tovan was not actually present!
    Therefore, you really do not need him at all.
    bendalek wrote: »
    Give him Superior Romulan Operative and make him customizable ... That would make most (though not all i know) player happy.

    So he gets a improved ability and suddenly we're happy to have him?
    It doesn't work like that.

    It's clear that the players who dislike him don't care how good he is or will become, they want him gone just because he's not suitable for their crew, regardless of what skills he possesses.

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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    please let us fire him, as amusing as I find it to force him to wear a tal shiar uniform for his lack of manners. he clearing is having problems fitting in with my rugged band of pirates.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,459 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Wait - you have a "rugged band of pirates", but Khev isn't fitting in because of his "lack of manners"?

    Are we all clear on exactly what a "pirate" is?
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Wait - you have a "rugged band of pirates", but Khev isn't fitting in because of his "lack of manners"?

    Are we all clear on exactly what a "pirate" is?

    well I was going to be clever and quote talon karrade but I can't find the one I want and am not going digging though my books this late

    of course after making this post I find it,

    "I think it's occasionally good for us to remember that being a smuggler doesn't necessarily require one to be a barbarian, too."

    -talon karrde to mara jade

    ok it's for smugglers not pirates but the idea works for both...

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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Eh, the point still kinda stands.
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