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hornet6hornet6 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
I understand that Tovan is integral to the Romulan story line (which I find to be very enjoyable) but after level 50, I wish there was some way to dismiss him, as there is with other BOFFs. Let him go marry Charva ( who I wish was more attractive looking, maybe a Romulan version of Troi or T'Pol, so I could put a poster of her in my room, next to my Farrah Fawcett poster) and move to a distant planet. I wouldn't want the Devs to spend too much time on it but it sure would be nice to see that delete button in Tovan's options menu. Am I alone here? If so, let the flaming begin :- )
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No, you're not alone. Everyone hates Tovan.

    Except me. I actually have a use for him in my crew. Everyone else wants to shove him out an airlock. :P
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oi Hypl, I am not planning on shoving Tovan out of my airlock! I just see through his Undine perception and put him on permanent toilet cleanup. Without any means to work with whatsoever.

    Anyway OP. Many people here have the exact same feeling as you, but this particular horse has been slaughtered, put on fire, buried, unburied and sold as cow meat in western European countries. With other words, already discussed 38674967490678507675076746784567847869047696876364535 times.



    (and darn you OP, you gave some people hope (including me) that we could finally fire him!)
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'm still holding out (at least a sliver of) hope that we will eventually be able to dismiss him.

    Don't get me wrong I actually like him, but my second republic character is going for an all reman crew and he is throwing off my concept.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    He has the Operative trait and is actually better than your average boff. Keep hold of him until you can get Superiors.
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  • nyxadrillnyxadrill Member Posts: 1,242 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hypl wrote: »
    No, you're not alone. Everyone hates Tovan.

    Except me. I actually have a use for him in my crew. Everyone else wants to shove him out an airlock. :P

    Keep him, someone has to scrub the plasma conduits :P
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  • zagstrukkzagstrukk Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I don't know, I have three Tovans Khev at this point. I never minded him much, and actually enjoyed having him around the first time through. At the very least he has good skills which make up somewhat for his ubiquity.

    I take it as a challenge, then, to make sure all my Tovans look as different from eachother as possible. This way, whenever I run into another 15 of them in the Dyson ground zone I can use the excuse Tovan and Khev are just very common names and Romulan parents are none to creative in naming their kids.

    Although, if the world was perfect, I would keep him on my first crew and dump him on my others.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I haven't made a Romulan for this exact reason. :P
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hypl wrote: »
    No, you're not alone. Everyone hates Tovan.

    Except me. I actually have a use for him in my crew. Everyone else wants to shove him out an airlock. :P

    And me. I don't get what the silly fussing is about over this boff.
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    At this point I'd rather have mirror Hakeev as a Boff than Tovan Khev. Much more entertaining as a first officer too, I'd imagine.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    And me. I don't get what the silly fussing is about over this boff.
    Because we can't dismiss him. And the power gamer want their boff full of RSO, while some... others want their crew full of women/robot/sexy robot women.

    I think they should have added an extra free BOFF slot for Rom, to offset the penalty.


    As for myself, I'm fine with Tovan.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have him clean up the captains mess. And, holy TRIBBLE does the captain ever make a mess.
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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You give a guy a personality and story and people bash the guy.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Because we can't dismiss him. And the power gamer want their boff full of RSO, while some... others want their crew full of women/robot/sexy robot women.
    Or all Remans. Or any other combination of crew solely of their own choosing, like the actual full factions get. I kicked out the free Klingon male engi you get and replaced him with a woman, because I was allowed to. You can get rid of K'Gan or Flores too if you want. You're stuck with Tovan, and if you don't like the character type they chose to give him there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

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  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    xigbarg wrote: »
    You give a guy a personality and story and people bash the guy.

    I think the main problem is that you have to have him. He's a visible reminder that every single Romulan player actually has the same backstory, and you can't ever have a fully unique crew. It also annoys people who like giving their boffs backstories, because he comes with a rigidly set storyline and identity that you can't customize.

    Elisa Flores would be a similar problem (what? you mean you didn't have a human female friend called Elisa Flores at the Academy? that's silly talk!) except that you can dismiss her.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    zagstrukk wrote: »
    ...I can use the excuse Tovan and Khev are just very common names and Romulan parents are none to creative in naming their kids...
    I've gotta think it is a somewhat common name, Tovan. When I rolled my Rommie (when LoR first came out), I decided I wanted an "authentic" Romulan name, so I went to one of those Online Character Naming Engines, selected "Star Trek" "Romulan" and "Male" and used the name I was presented:

    Tovan.

    By the time I realized that not only was the BOff un-dismisable, but also very unpopular, I was too far into the storyline to go back (and too cheap for a renameing token), so Tovan I shall remain. :(
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  • minusthedrifter2minusthedrifter2 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    nikkojt wrote: »
    I think the main problem is that you have to have him. He's a visible reminder that every single Romulan player actually has the same backstory, and you can't ever have a fully unique crew. It also annoys people who like giving their boffs backstories, because he comes with a rigidly set storyline and identity that you can't customize.

    Then don't use him? Problem solved.
  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Death, taxes, and Tovan. Your three unavoidable companions...

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  • annahannah Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'd mind Tovan less if we could dictate where / what his role is when we visit starship bridge.
    I hate seeing him sitting a chair right next to my captains chair. He should be on his knees scrubbing the floors with a toothbrush, or serving as someones leg rest...

    Useless git.

    Altho if Cryptic would upgrade him to Superior Romulan Operative he would be more appealing :p
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,459 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Useless? When you go groundside, he Lunges at everything. So I bought him a nice bat'leth. Now he's a freaking combat monster.

    And I have to believe there's a certain lack of uniqueness to Romulan names, explaining why they always use their birthplace as a second name. Do you have any idea how many Aels I see out there every day?

    That said, Bergins, I've gone you one better. On my emergency backup account I have Tovan Khev, commander of the Ar'kif warbird Tovan Khev V. His crew consists of Tovan Khev2, Tofan Khef, Toban Kheb, and the Reman female engineer Touan Kheu. He's also picked up Towan Khew and Tovvan Khevv.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hornet6 wrote: »
    I understand that Tovan is integral to the Romulan story line (which I find to be very enjoyable) but after level 50, I wish there was some way to dismiss him, as there is with other BOFFs. Let him go marry Charva ( who I wish was more attractive looking, maybe a Romulan version of Troi or T'Pol, so I could put a poster of her in my room, next to my Farrah Fawcett poster) and move to a distant planet. I wouldn't want the Devs to spend too much time on it but it sure would be nice to see that delete button in Tovan's options menu. Am I alone here? If so, let the flaming begin :- )

    He's plenty of enjoyment for me, as I constantly send him into ground battles to watch him get his butt handed to him each and every time.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    That said, Bergins, I've gone you one better. On my emergency backup account I have Tovan Khev, commander of the Ar'kif warbird Tovan Khev V. His crew consists of Tovan Khev2, Tofan Khef, Toban Kheb, and the Reman female engineer Touan Kheu. He's also picked up Towan Khew and Tovvan Khevv.

    Yes, but it sounds like you did the naming intentionally. I named my toon before I realized what a backlash the name'd get.

    Last time I was in ESD with MY Tovan, I got hate messages.

    HATE MESSAGES!??!?

    ALMOST makes me want to waste the Zen on the rename token. Instead, I just don't play him much, and as such, will probably never spend Zen on him at all. Frankly, I chose Fed-side partly because I can't bear running around 1st City, but mostly because I thought I was going to be able to use my account-unlock C-Store ships... ERG!!
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    At this point I'd rather have mirror Hakeev as a Boff than Tovan Khev. Much more entertaining as a first officer too, I'd imagine.

    hahaha. hakeev, his mirror version should be heroic and selfless compared to his prime counterpart who was arrogant and had his minions do the work.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hypl wrote: »
    No, you're not alone. Everyone hates Tovan.

    Except me. I actually have a use for him in my crew. Everyone else wants to shove him out an airlock. :P

    And me.

    Seriously, Thovan has some awesome space traits my non-romulan characters a quiet jealous of.
    And I remember a (admiditly very long time ago) I did spent 30 millions to get that Torpedo spread III he comes with.

    And for his roles: By now he's customizable. Make your own Thovan Khev. I did.Outside of a few facts about him given by the story missions he just a little less generic then other characters, so "my" backstory for him is as unique as the one of most of my BOs.

    And if you want another first officer take one, whats the problem? He's not my first officer for sure.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Death, taxes, and Tovan. Your three unavoidable companions...

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    death and taxes, but khev is one i can avoid :rolleyes: rather have khem val around then let him devour me when im an old man, better then having khev telling me how to run my ship.
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  • sophus84atsophus84at Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    at least let us re-name him!!!!!
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  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    death and taxes, but khev is one i can avoid :rolleyes: rather have khem val around then let him devour me when im an old man, better then having khev telling me how to run my ship.


    That thought sit(h)s well enough with me. ;)


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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hahaha. hakeev, his mirror version should be heroic and selfless compared to his prime counterpart who was arrogant and had his minions do the work.
    I doubt that. What people never really seem to get about the Mirror Universe is that it is not actually the moral inversion of the Prime Universe. What actually seems to happen, based on all the evidence, is that the negative aspects of people's personalities are magnified.

    Hence, the Klinks and Cardies are even bigger TRIBBLE$holes in the MU than the PU, Sisko is an arrogant jackwad who started the Terran Rebellion because he was bored, Kirk's confidence-bordering-on-arrogance and womanizing tendencies become attempted r@pe, etc.

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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Have you read the quote on the mirror Hakeev doff? He sounds like a halfway decent guy. :)
  • tancrediivtancrediiv Member Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hasn't Tovan been beaten on enough?

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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I tried to eject him out the airlock, but he.......he just zoned back into the ship!
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