And yet we have ENT era ships at endgame, Dykr and the Andorian Escorts, the latter of which mount an insane amount of firepower.
Yet we have playable Ferengi D'Koras, Cardassian Galors, Tholian ships, Dominion ships, Hirogen ships, Elachi ships, etc, playable for the Feds & KDF, blurring the lines between the factions instead of more faction ships, forcing the KDF & Feds to... LOOK like Starfleet and Klingon Empire respectively.
You have endgame the T'Varo, which is really a heavily updated T'Liss, the ones from way back in TOS.
The Klingons have at endgame the playable B'Rel and D-7/K'T'Ingas to play with. Yes, in canon, they were being still used in the Dominion War. But so was the Miranda.
But most importantly, in STO's own setting, Mirandas are operating all over the place. No fleet is heavily composed of the heaviest warships in existence. Smaller destroyers, frigates, etc. play vital roles because you can't have 300,000 Sovereigns patrolling the entirety of Federation space as well as exploring.
Playable endgame Mirandas make sense. They make more sense than most of the ships added to this game over the years. They could do the TWOK-era skin as well as the modern skins in STO. Refitted, again for more years of service.
The B'Rel has done it. The Miranda could be a "Light Cruiser" of sorts, capable for varied support across the board, faster, nimbler than the big Fed Cruisers. The price however is that it is an old and small ship... hullpoints can reflect that. Maybe spread its BOFF layout to nothing higher than LtCdr, but capable of doing anything as a support vessel that needs to move. Anyways, just an idea to make the Miranda viable at endgame but not on the same footing as the Fed Cruisers and its younger sister, the Nebulas.
really in TNG they where the redshirt of starships to show how bad it was as the miranda was on par with the constitution refit in star trek 2 so they used it as a way to show that the old ship would not have stood a chance in that situation and the D was much more advanced and powerful
similar to how the writers used the odyssey as a stand in for the enterprise-d
really in TNG they where the redshirt of starships to show how bad it was as the miranda was on par with the constitution refit in star trek 2 so they used it as a way to show that the old ship would not have stood a chance in that situation and the D was much more advanced and powerful
similar to how the writers used the odyssey as a stand in for the enterprise-d
True.
On the other hand, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship was more or less a Dominion's version of a Miranda, and look what STO did to that...
Personally, looking at the current bizarre amalgamation of ships in Starfleet, I don't see much reason to deny any ship T5 status other than legal and/or practical issues.
That would make a fun tier 5 ship i'd drop dime for.
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That would make a fun tier 5 ship i'd drop dime for.
I'd rather want the original nx if anything. That refit is kind of funny but I woundnt to fly it.
But concerning the nx I'd be pleased it I could use some upwards struts on the Akira. Then I could give it an nx-like shape without the ship looking 300 years dated...
For the Miranda... I'd say she should be something like a federation raider ship.... You know with flanking and universals and stuff.
That's not klingon exclusive any more anyway with the breen ship.
Heck why not make a t5 version of all the ships in the game. The game has no balance anyways so let players fly VA versions of ships they like. Just think of all the money PW could make off of that. The games feels less like Trek with just about every update anyways. I find it really funny now that some players are against this but have no problem a t5 excelsior. I say give the players what they want and be done with it.
Heck why not make a t5 version of all the ships in the game. The game has no balance anyways so let players fly VA versions of ships they like. Just think of all the money PW could make off of that. The games feels less like Trek with just about every update anyways. I find it really funny now that some players are against this but have no problem a t5 excelsior. I say give the players what they want and be done with it.
Where's my Tier 5 Space Shuttle. Oh and an Apollo rocket too. Must have a secondary engine.
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Would make sense to go this way. There is a clear logical progression between the Constitution to the Odyssey in terms of look so it makes sense that other ships would have a similar progression as well. So no to a Tier 5 Miranda, but yes to a Tier 5 ship that is a 25th Century ship that looks similar to the Miranda just like the Sovereign looks similar to the Constitution.
Would make sense to go this way. There is a clear logical progression between the Constitution to the Odyssey in terms of look so it makes sense that other ships would have a similar progression as well. So no to a Tier 5 Miranda, but yes to a Tier 5 ship that is a 25th Century ship that looks similar to the Miranda just like the Sovereign looks similar to the Constitution.
Gee wouldn't we call that -gasp- the tactical carrier aka akira refit. I mean if you look at it logically it looks like -gasp- a 25th century miranda! And we already have it out! Amazing how it works eh?
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why can't people just stop asking for ridiculously old ships? its kinda silly to have the excelsior in STO at t5 already(but its canon, so whatever).
Because the T5 Excelsior opened that door. And so fans of other ships, like the Miranda, should probably get a chance to fly their favorite ship at T5 too.
but they were old and dated ships. Hell most constellations were being phased out by DS9. As were mirandas. Now centaurs were replacing the mirandas because of all the spare Excelisor parts lying around.
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but they were old and dated ships. Hell most constellations were being phased out by DS9. As were mirandas. Now centaurs were replacing the mirandas because of all the spare Excelisor parts lying around.
The Centaur was neither old nor dated. In fact, the Centaur seemed to fight Bug Ships way better than Galaxies and Excelsiors
The Centaur was neither old nor dated. In fact, the Centaur seemed to fight Bug Ships way better than Galaxies and Excelsiors
the centaur was basically a destroyer-type ship according to memory alpha, so it makes sense it would be able to fight a jem'hadar bug, and according to memory beta, in the "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual" the centaur was a ship equivalent in terms of power to the galor(although the manual also says the miranda is on the same level of the galor so welp).
i suppose you could make the argument that the miranda should be T5, since the bug and the galor are T5 and are arguably the best ships in their current categories(which is especially absurd in the case of the galor, a ship which was specifically showed as a weaker ship compared to new(at the time) federation vessels like the galaxy and nebula.
it would still be ridiculous to see T5 mirandas flying around, specially since they were so horribly weak onscreen, but i guess it could be "acceptable" if they released the merian as a T5 with the option of the centaur/shi'kahr/miranda as skins, on the other hand that would likely increase the amount of requests for a T5 connie by 2000%, are you sure you want that?
I rather thought we were playing a game where Starfleet engineers, apparently more or less for fun, built a replica of the NX Enterprise, which could nevertheless support modern tech.
All this talk of age of ships is, to me, irrelevant.
Starfleet engineers can build replicas to modern standards of just about anything.
A T5 miranda is far from out of the questions.....
...and i do belive Shpoks has a link to an excellent reimagining of the miranda which would fit the bill admirably.
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And yet we have ENT era ships at endgame, Dykr and the Andorian Escorts, the latter of which mount an insane amount of firepower.
Yet we have playable Ferengi D'Koras, Cardassian Galors, Tholian ships, Dominion ships, Hirogen ships, Elachi ships, etc, playable for the Feds & KDF, blurring the lines between the factions instead of more faction ships, forcing the KDF & Feds to... LOOK like Starfleet and Klingon Empire respectively.
You have endgame the T'Varo, which is really a heavily updated T'Liss, the ones from way back in TOS.
The Klingons have at endgame the playable B'Rel and D-7/K'T'Ingas to play with. Yes, in canon, they were being still used in the Dominion War. But so was the Miranda.
But most importantly, in STO's own setting, Mirandas are operating all over the place. No fleet is heavily composed of the heaviest warships in existence. Smaller destroyers, frigates, etc. play vital roles because you can't have 300,000 Sovereigns patrolling the entirety of Federation space as well as exploring.
Playable endgame Mirandas make sense. They make more sense than most of the ships added to this game over the years. They could do the TWOK-era skin as well as the modern skins in STO. Refitted, again for more years of service.
The B'Rel has done it. The Miranda could be a "Light Cruiser" of sorts, capable for varied support across the board, faster, nimbler than the big Fed Cruisers. The price however is that it is an old and small ship... hullpoints can reflect that. Maybe spread its BOFF layout to nothing higher than LtCdr, but capable of doing anything as a support vessel that needs to move. Anyways, just an idea to make the Miranda viable at endgame but not on the same footing as the Fed Cruisers and its younger sister, the Nebulas.
Oh, it's even worse than that. The T'Varo is the Romulan ship from Enterprise.
I stand corrected! Considering how deadly effective at endgame the T'Varo is.
or have a super auto destruct sense the blew up all the time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynrXKI3EJFU
really in TNG they where the redshirt of starships to show how bad it was as the miranda was on par with the constitution refit in star trek 2 so they used it as a way to show that the old ship would not have stood a chance in that situation and the D was much more advanced and powerful
similar to how the writers used the odyssey as a stand in for the enterprise-d
On the other hand, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship was more or less a Dominion's version of a Miranda, and look what STO did to that...
Personally, looking at the current bizarre amalgamation of ships in Starfleet, I don't see much reason to deny any ship T5 status other than legal and/or practical issues.
i still want the planet gun though
It's a refit NX class.
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/144/9/f/NX_Refit_Forward_View_by_thequestionmark.jpg
That would make a fun tier 5 ship i'd drop dime for.
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I'd rather want the original nx if anything. That refit is kind of funny but I woundnt to fly it.
But concerning the nx I'd be pleased it I could use some upwards struts on the Akira. Then I could give it an nx-like shape without the ship looking 300 years dated...
For the Miranda... I'd say she should be something like a federation raider ship.... You know with flanking and universals and stuff.
That's not klingon exclusive any more anyway with the breen ship.
Take a look at the mirror invasion event. The Mirandas in that certainly don't pop like a balloon, it shows it is possible to do.
I have a model of that. Polar lights makes a NX-01 refit kit.
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Then I want a Tier 5 Phoenix and Canoe.
As a shuttle why not?
Shuttles don't have Tiers. So a Tier 5 Phoenix and Canoe would have 6 to 8 weapons, 9 consoles, and a bunch of Bridge Officers.
I think the canoe should be a land vehicle.
We'll be able to spot the owner in the voth battlezone as he tries to paddle along the ground.
Where's my Tier 5 Space Shuttle. Oh and an Apollo rocket too. Must have a secondary engine.
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i'm a fan of TMP-era ships but really, they have no place at t5 in STO.
it would be cool to have similar but clearly more advanced ships in the game though, like the rademaker merian, its an awesome looking ship.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120528082103/startrek/images/8/87/Uss_planck.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JF6c0A5DbgE/ThHtNgHi3KI/AAAAAAAACgM/Va9GLG6PJpA/w1598-h799-no/planckupdate.jpg
Would make sense to go this way. There is a clear logical progression between the Constitution to the Odyssey in terms of look so it makes sense that other ships would have a similar progression as well. So no to a Tier 5 Miranda, but yes to a Tier 5 ship that is a 25th Century ship that looks similar to the Miranda just like the Sovereign looks similar to the Constitution.
Gee wouldn't we call that -gasp- the tactical carrier aka akira refit. I mean if you look at it logically it looks like -gasp- a 25th century miranda! And we already have it out! Amazing how it works eh?
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So are Mirandas, Centaurs and Constellations.
Because the T5 Excelsior opened that door. And so fans of other ships, like the Miranda, should probably get a chance to fly their favorite ship at T5 too.
but they were old and dated ships. Hell most constellations were being phased out by DS9. As were mirandas. Now centaurs were replacing the mirandas because of all the spare Excelisor parts lying around.
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The Centaur was neither old nor dated. In fact, the Centaur seemed to fight Bug Ships way better than Galaxies and Excelsiors
Well at least against a Starfleet-controlled Bug ship who was pulling their punches.
the centaur was basically a destroyer-type ship according to memory alpha, so it makes sense it would be able to fight a jem'hadar bug, and according to memory beta, in the "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual" the centaur was a ship equivalent in terms of power to the galor(although the manual also says the miranda is on the same level of the galor so welp).
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Centaur
i suppose you could make the argument that the miranda should be T5, since the bug and the galor are T5 and are arguably the best ships in their current categories(which is especially absurd in the case of the galor, a ship which was specifically showed as a weaker ship compared to new(at the time) federation vessels like the galaxy and nebula.
it would still be ridiculous to see T5 mirandas flying around, specially since they were so horribly weak onscreen, but i guess it could be "acceptable" if they released the merian as a T5 with the option of the centaur/shi'kahr/miranda as skins, on the other hand that would likely increase the amount of requests for a T5 connie by 2000%, are you sure you want that?
All this talk of age of ships is, to me, irrelevant.
Starfleet engineers can build replicas to modern standards of just about anything.
A T5 miranda is far from out of the questions.....
...and i do belive Shpoks has a link to an excellent reimagining of the miranda which would fit the bill admirably.