Indeed. Shame on us for being mature, responsible adults who are wise enough to not treat women as s*x toys. Shame on us for possessing the wisdom to treat women as the human beings they are, as equals even. Eleanor Roosevelt, for example, in her time, women were little more than property for their husbands to do with as they wished, and the woman had no say in the matter whatsoever. Yet, Eleanor Roosevelt used her status as First Lady to speak out against such behaviour, and campaigned for women to have rights as fellow humans. Due to her, numerous others joined the fight, and today, their efforts have given women the rights to vote, to be educated, and to gain employment as equals. Being from the same time, Amelia was told that she should have been a housewife. Yet she defied all convention of the day, and instead lived in the pilot's seat. She flew solo across the Atlantic, and would later attempt a circumnavigation of the world. Because of women like them making the world aware that women are humans too, my Grandmother was able to attend and graduate University, she and my mother were able to gain employment. And because of them, my own daughter will be able to have a future, an education, an employment in a job she very much enjoys, the life she deserves. And when I am sent into a combat laden location, and Brass stations a woman to be my partner, I know she is well trained, well equipped, and well armed, and I know she is someone I can trust with my very life, and be proud to fight beside.
Also, you are welcome for being able to say your own arguments, and you are welcome for having the right to free speech. The reason you have such rights is because of us military sacrificing our own lives to fight for your freedom. And let's not forget, half of these soldiers are women, and have well more than earned the rights to be respected and honoured as the heroes that they are. The next time you see one, you should shake their hand and thank them for everything they do for you.
I have one (yes, only one) female bridge officer, and I too have her bust slider at minimum. I also have her hips slider at minimum. And if you must know, I have her wearing a long Winter Coat with Jupiter trousers. If and when I find a uniform that looks like a real world military uniform, that is what I will have her wear from now on. Would anyone happen to know of any such thing? Sadly, bridge officers cannot wear Off Duty, or I would have her wearing the Mercenary outfit.
Hello. As a woman in her 40s who has worked for the cause of equality for the better part of her life, I feel the need to respond to some of what you've said here. The biggest reason I feel this need is because you seem to presume that you have some sort of authority to speak for all women, and you do not. Nobody does, in fact. We are perfectly capable of speaking for ourselves, as individuals (which is a major part of what Feminism is about in the first place, but I'll come back to that shortly).
First, though, let's talk about Eleanor Roosevelt and history. The Women's Suffrage Movement (First Wave Feminism) preceded Mrs Roosevelt's "status as First Lady" by well over a decade. Her husband Franklin was elected President of the United States of America in 1932, and took office in 1933, at which time, Mrs Roosevelt became the First Lady. The Right of Women to Vote was recognized (not granted, but recognized, because Constitutional principles affirm that no government has authority to grant or deny Rights) by the 19th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, which was passed by both Houses of Congress in 1919. It was finally ratified by a sufficient number of states on 18 August 1920 to become part of the Law of the Land. That was 13 years before she became the First Lady. But the movement for Women's Suffrage in the USA is considerably older than 1919 or 1920, in fact dating back to the first half of the 1800s. Women were also able to be educated in the USA quite some time before Mrs Roosevelt became First Lady (and in fact were often themselves educators; you might find this enlightening). While Mrs Roosevelt may have been involved in some of the later efforts to achieve Women's Suffrage in the United States, she was hardly involved in 1826, 1836, 1848, and so on, nor was she the font of a movement which was already active long before she was born, much less before she became the First Lady, and while she may have promoted greater educational opportunities for women, she is not responsible for women being able to be educated. Women were also able to work long before her becoming First Lady. Really, the history is not obscure, and it would behoove you to check your claims before you post them in a public forum; even a brief Google search will turn up a considerable amount of evidence against claims you have made. Mrs Roosevelt was certainly a great lady, and she certainly promoted a great number of high ideals involving social justice, but let's not claim things about her which are manifestly untrue. Others deserve that credit, and Mrs Roosevelt would surely be happy to point that out, as someone who held the ideal of social justice in very high regard.
With reference to Amelia Earhart, part of what you said is highly relevant to what Feminism and Equality are about: "she defied all convention of the day." Quite so. Indeed, this is a very important (nay, vital and intrinsic!) aspect of what Feminism means, the right of a woman to be herself, to better herself, to follow her own lights, without respect for any externally-imposed standards of what anyone else believes to be "proper."
That brings us back to the first bit of your posts that I quoted above, and the last bit as well. Your opinions are your own, and you are welcome to them, but others are certainly free to have their opinions as well, and those are not inherently any less "mature" or "responsible" or "wise" than your own simply by virtue of being other than your own. Furthermore, facts trump opinion eternally, and presumption, willful ignorance, and prejudice are not virtues. Also, many ways to fight for and promote freedom exist apart from military service. The women who did so with regard to Women's Suffrage, for example, did not do so from the position of military personnel or veterans. Dr King did not do so as a soldier or veteran. The continuing struggle for liberty, equality, and justice for all now also involves a number of LGBTI persons who may or may not have ever been in the military. None of these people's efforts should be denigrated merely because they did not serve in the military, and your comment is not only disrespectful of their efforts and struggles and trials and tribulations, but also extremely condescending. Perhaps you should thank one of those warriors the next time you see an LGBTI Pride Parade.
And finally, I wear what I like, what I find comfortable, what I find attractive (without concern over whether anyone else finds it attractive or not). I will not wear a burqa simply because someone else is scandalized by the fact of my wearing shoes or boots with five inch heels, a mini skirt (I still have great legs, and I'm proud of them, and Nichelle Nichols also has a bit to say about the mini skirt as symbolic of women's liberation and sexual liberation; deal with it, because it's reality), jewelry and makeup with a nice hairdo. That is MY choice to make, not yours and not anyone else's. It would also be MY choice to wear combat boots, baggy pants, an oversized flannel shirt, no jewelry, and no makeup with a men's haircut. It would be MY choice to wear a bikini, or a one-piece swimsuit, or a long pencil skirt, or a button-down blouse, or a pantsuit, or any other thing which I chose to wear. It's none of your business how I dress, or how I live my life. And your views on it are of no concern to me, either, as long as you keep them to yourself and stop trying to shame other people for taking pride in themselves and their appearance, and for not being neurotic about sexuality. What I find offensive, degrading, objectifying, etc, is up to ME, not to you or to anyone else. It's also none of your business how I dress any of the toons I play in STO. Star Trek has ever been about Progressive ideals, including liberty, justice, equality, and the pursuit of happiness for all. Sexuality has been a major part of the Star Trek saga from the very beginning (the original Pilot, "The Cage," even featured it rather prominently, including an Orion woman performing a dance not unlike one of the most ancient forms of dance on Earth -- a dance which some people view as sexual, but others do not -- and that was not the only example seen in TOS, much less the later series and movies). I don't care if you make your female BOff look like a prepubescent boy and wrap her in one of the burqa-esque Khan outfits. It's not my business to dictate such things to you. But your views are not mine, and I will not tolerate even briefly any effort to subject me to them. It's not your business to dictate such things to me. I would also suggest that you become more familiar with Feminism, and some of the concerns of the mainstream within Feminism, rather than the sensationalistic shrieks of the lunatic fringe. This would be an excellent start: (warning -- contains material by bold women which some may find offensive, including frank and honest language which may cause some to get their knickers in a twist), and this is a very nice follow-up: (same warning applies).
In conclusion, I will leave you with some words of Gene Roddenberry -- which might be the very best explanation of the Vulcan ideal of Kol-Ut-Shan (or "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations") ever uttered (whether he intended it as such or not), the ideal which advocates going beyond mere tolerance to respect and acceptance of people and their right to hold their own views, even when those views disagree with yours:
If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.
Wat about Caitians rights? This is a fictional universe, portraying a number of races and ways of life...none of which that are real, nor should they be can be taken seriously. We come here to remove ourselves from the burden of RL. Try to relax and put your paws up...and if possible, enjoy a laugh! :rolleyes: Let your old buddy Cat point the way to fun...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
and this is a good example of why i still have hope for humanity, despite its currently highly ****ed up state
An it harm none, do as ye will.
it's your life, no one else's
You have to also consider this to be a minor thing in world history, this short space in which this idea takes place and is used, there is no guarantee it will last in the downward spiral we are heading. There is no telling how long the US will last, economically and socially we aren't very stable. PLus take into consideration the blight of media, on every turn advertises women and even girls to be viewed a certain way, one that promotes the very ideals you are trying to avoid. This grows true with politics as well, but im not going to bring up that...
No matter your cause, if the general public doesn't wanna go along with it, it will die off. Especially if the culture they are born in vanishes.
But enough of depressing stuff, lets take time for cat talk. =^.^=
PLus take into consideration the blight of media, on every turn advertises women and even girls to be viewed a certain way, one that promotes the very ideals you are trying to avoid. This grows true with politics as well, but im not going to bring up that...
Uh, that image is politically-motivated. It's also an obvious attempt at satire -- political satire, in fact. Don't see it? Look more closely.
As for Caitians' rights, there are Caitian women, too.
Uh, that image is politically-motivated. It's also an obvious attempt at satire -- political satire, in fact. Don't see it? Look more closely.
As for Caitians' rights, there are Caitian women, too.
The image was chosen for a reason...its how media, Hollywood and yes even our governing body shamelessly play off this subject as sport. I wasn't going to get specifically into politics as a subject, but the pic does represent (unfortunately) how the 3 try to represent our country to the rest of the world through their work!
As for Caitians, I didnt mention a gender, because in Caitian society, gender only matters in choosing a mate check out this link
EDIT: I keep hoping the Devs would finally make a Cait, and have it look like a renessance metropolis thats as interactive as Quonos....but it lookjs like thier bosses are more interested in messing up the mechanics of the game and websites then trying to fix the bugs and bring about more artistic and cultural content to the game, to expand on its playable races lifestyles.
I forget the name, but one of the Dev blogs featured a Foundry mission where you went to Ferasa, and sent into the wilderness to deal with an illegal eugenics program. If we could get more Cait and Ferasa missions, that would bring much more life to us.
I forget the name, but one of the Dev blogs featured a Foundry mission where you went to Ferasa, and sent into the wilderness to deal with an illegal eugenics program. If we could get more Cait and Ferasa missions, that would bring much more life to us.
that would've been the aforementioned mission by sirboulevard, Honor of Ferasa
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I'd second that, a playable Cait would be good now. As the new ESD has no where to climb around like the current one has, having a playable Cait with a semi jungle/climb-able environment would be good.
I wouldn't think so, still to many are playing through the launcher or Steam. They would cut off over half of their income over night, and no company with half a brain cell would do that.
I wouldn't think so, still to many are playing through the launcher or Steam. They would cut off over half of their income over night, and no company with half a brain cell would do that.
As jonsills puts so well, thats what they intend to do in the end. They know that most will end up downloading arc anyways because they will miss the game otherwise. I only ask because that would be the perfect time to do it, as the overwhelming urge to see the new stuff will cause you to just give in...they know it.
Except there are people like me who actually paid to buy the retail version of STO. To permanently disable the disk launcher is nothing short of a "f@%# you" to everyone who used real money to buy the physical disk. If the free to play crowd wants to use ARC, I have no problems with it, but ARC needs to remain optional.
Except there are people like me who actually paid to buy the retail version of STO. To permanently disable the disk launcher is nothing short of a "f@%# you" to everyone who used real money to buy the physical disk.
Hmmmm....sorry to say it, but this seems exactly like something Cryptic/PWE would do.
Wasn't she voiced in one of the Jem'hadar missions? I don't remember. It was too long ago.
facility 4028; that's what he's referring to in relation to a man trying to sound like a woman...of course, it's more like someone inhaled a load of helium gas
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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Hello. As a woman in her 40s who has worked for the cause of equality for the better part of her life, I feel the need to respond to some of what you've said here. The biggest reason I feel this need is because you seem to presume that you have some sort of authority to speak for all women, and you do not. Nobody does, in fact. We are perfectly capable of speaking for ourselves, as individuals (which is a major part of what Feminism is about in the first place, but I'll come back to that shortly).
First, though, let's talk about Eleanor Roosevelt and history. The Women's Suffrage Movement (First Wave Feminism) preceded Mrs Roosevelt's "status as First Lady" by well over a decade. Her husband Franklin was elected President of the United States of America in 1932, and took office in 1933, at which time, Mrs Roosevelt became the First Lady. The Right of Women to Vote was recognized (not granted, but recognized, because Constitutional principles affirm that no government has authority to grant or deny Rights) by the 19th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, which was passed by both Houses of Congress in 1919. It was finally ratified by a sufficient number of states on 18 August 1920 to become part of the Law of the Land. That was 13 years before she became the First Lady. But the movement for Women's Suffrage in the USA is considerably older than 1919 or 1920, in fact dating back to the first half of the 1800s. Women were also able to be educated in the USA quite some time before Mrs Roosevelt became First Lady (and in fact were often themselves educators; you might find this enlightening). While Mrs Roosevelt may have been involved in some of the later efforts to achieve Women's Suffrage in the United States, she was hardly involved in 1826, 1836, 1848, and so on, nor was she the font of a movement which was already active long before she was born, much less before she became the First Lady, and while she may have promoted greater educational opportunities for women, she is not responsible for women being able to be educated. Women were also able to work long before her becoming First Lady. Really, the history is not obscure, and it would behoove you to check your claims before you post them in a public forum; even a brief Google search will turn up a considerable amount of evidence against claims you have made. Mrs Roosevelt was certainly a great lady, and she certainly promoted a great number of high ideals involving social justice, but let's not claim things about her which are manifestly untrue. Others deserve that credit, and Mrs Roosevelt would surely be happy to point that out, as someone who held the ideal of social justice in very high regard.
With reference to Amelia Earhart, part of what you said is highly relevant to what Feminism and Equality are about: "she defied all convention of the day." Quite so. Indeed, this is a very important (nay, vital and intrinsic!) aspect of what Feminism means, the right of a woman to be herself, to better herself, to follow her own lights, without respect for any externally-imposed standards of what anyone else believes to be "proper."
That brings us back to the first bit of your posts that I quoted above, and the last bit as well. Your opinions are your own, and you are welcome to them, but others are certainly free to have their opinions as well, and those are not inherently any less "mature" or "responsible" or "wise" than your own simply by virtue of being other than your own. Furthermore, facts trump opinion eternally, and presumption, willful ignorance, and prejudice are not virtues. Also, many ways to fight for and promote freedom exist apart from military service. The women who did so with regard to Women's Suffrage, for example, did not do so from the position of military personnel or veterans. Dr King did not do so as a soldier or veteran. The continuing struggle for liberty, equality, and justice for all now also involves a number of LGBTI persons who may or may not have ever been in the military. None of these people's efforts should be denigrated merely because they did not serve in the military, and your comment is not only disrespectful of their efforts and struggles and trials and tribulations, but also extremely condescending. Perhaps you should thank one of those warriors the next time you see an LGBTI Pride Parade.
And finally, I wear what I like, what I find comfortable, what I find attractive (without concern over whether anyone else finds it attractive or not). I will not wear a burqa simply because someone else is scandalized by the fact of my wearing shoes or boots with five inch heels, a mini skirt (I still have great legs, and I'm proud of them, and Nichelle Nichols also has a bit to say about the mini skirt as symbolic of women's liberation and sexual liberation; deal with it, because it's reality), jewelry and makeup with a nice hairdo. That is MY choice to make, not yours and not anyone else's. It would also be MY choice to wear combat boots, baggy pants, an oversized flannel shirt, no jewelry, and no makeup with a men's haircut. It would be MY choice to wear a bikini, or a one-piece swimsuit, or a long pencil skirt, or a button-down blouse, or a pantsuit, or any other thing which I chose to wear. It's none of your business how I dress, or how I live my life. And your views on it are of no concern to me, either, as long as you keep them to yourself and stop trying to shame other people for taking pride in themselves and their appearance, and for not being neurotic about sexuality. What I find offensive, degrading, objectifying, etc, is up to ME, not to you or to anyone else. It's also none of your business how I dress any of the toons I play in STO. Star Trek has ever been about Progressive ideals, including liberty, justice, equality, and the pursuit of happiness for all. Sexuality has been a major part of the Star Trek saga from the very beginning (the original Pilot, "The Cage," even featured it rather prominently, including an Orion woman performing a dance not unlike one of the most ancient forms of dance on Earth -- a dance which some people view as sexual, but others do not -- and that was not the only example seen in TOS, much less the later series and movies). I don't care if you make your female BOff look like a prepubescent boy and wrap her in one of the burqa-esque Khan outfits. It's not my business to dictate such things to you. But your views are not mine, and I will not tolerate even briefly any effort to subject me to them. It's not your business to dictate such things to me. I would also suggest that you become more familiar with Feminism, and some of the concerns of the mainstream within Feminism, rather than the sensationalistic shrieks of the lunatic fringe. This would be an excellent start: (warning -- contains material by bold women which some may find offensive, including frank and honest language which may cause some to get their knickers in a twist), and this is a very nice follow-up: (same warning applies).
In conclusion, I will leave you with some words of Gene Roddenberry -- which might be the very best explanation of the Vulcan ideal of Kol-Ut-Shan (or "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations") ever uttered (whether he intended it as such or not), the ideal which advocates going beyond mere tolerance to respect and acceptance of people and their right to hold their own views, even when those views disagree with yours:
If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.
Live long and prosper, and live and let live.
An it harm none, do as ye will.
it's your life, no one else's
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
You have to also consider this to be a minor thing in world history, this short space in which this idea takes place and is used, there is no guarantee it will last in the downward spiral we are heading. There is no telling how long the US will last, economically and socially we aren't very stable. PLus take into consideration the blight of media, on every turn advertises women and even girls to be viewed a certain way, one that promotes the very ideals you are trying to avoid. This grows true with politics as well, but im not going to bring up that...
No matter your cause, if the general public doesn't wanna go along with it, it will die off. Especially if the culture they are born in vanishes.
But enough of depressing stuff, lets take time for cat talk. =^.^=
Uh, that image is politically-motivated. It's also an obvious attempt at satire -- political satire, in fact. Don't see it? Look more closely.
As for Caitians' rights, there are Caitian women, too.
The image was chosen for a reason...its how media, Hollywood and yes even our governing body shamelessly play off this subject as sport. I wasn't going to get specifically into politics as a subject, but the pic does represent (unfortunately) how the 3 try to represent our country to the rest of the world through their work!
As for Caitians, I didnt mention a gender, because in Caitian society, gender only matters in choosing a mate check out this link
EDIT: I keep hoping the Devs would finally make a Cait, and have it look like a renessance metropolis thats as interactive as Quonos....but it lookjs like thier bosses are more interested in messing up the mechanics of the game and websites then trying to fix the bugs and bring about more artistic and cultural content to the game, to expand on its playable races lifestyles.
I one day want to do a "History of Cait'ish episode. Where you go to Cait, kinda like how @Sirboulevard and @sirepical did a tour of Ferasa.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I look forward to it
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As jonsills puts so well, thats what they intend to do in the end. They know that most will end up downloading arc anyways because they will miss the game otherwise. I only ask because that would be the perfect time to do it, as the overwhelming urge to see the new stuff will cause you to just give in...they know it.
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Hmmmm....sorry to say it, but this seems exactly like something Cryptic/PWE would do.
Oh, and - meow! =^.^=
Kyona is finally getting some dialogue and attention in the upcoming episode that follows "A Step Between stars"
Yea
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Wasn't she voiced in one of the Jem'hadar missions? I don't remember. It was too long ago.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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