and why am i a 10 year old kid? you act just as stupid as i do...........and the fact you cant admit why you get kills now is plain stupid. you cry about everything thats lame yet you use abusive TRIBBLE too. so get off your high horse.
you dont even see what im taling on this thread , u just here to try to troll....
[System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
For have success in pvp, u need run all that cause it will be not playable and u will not enjoy the game if u make a 5 man team and go to the queu !
-- talken rift is very efficient, blow all ur power even if u have full skill into power insulator ! plus it stack omg !
-- vaper : ppl who kill veteran pvp player under a sec without give to the target the time to react cause of the big crits that have no sens lol and the only way to counter that is all your teamate SCI captain need have that console (Console - Universal - Tachyon Detection Field) and the sad thing is : THE KDF CANT GET THAT CONSOLE so good luck to the kdf premade !
-- yellowstone pets .. never been fixed , they plocate ! wow
-- Fire at will , when it will be fixed, u will see ppl using scimitar with 80k DPS (escort do only around 20 k dps with a cannon build)
i hope one day pvp in sto will come back like how it was in season 5 , it was alote much better then it is now , and many more player was playing the game ,I DONT KNOW WHY but alote of veteran pvper have left the game !!!
so i think im gonna stay AWAY from pvp except if all my teamate run all the thing ppl call cheese !
PS: for the cusual pvper enjoy ur rage quit
Good God your spelling man!! Minus 500 000 points from Griffindore!!!
Good God your spelling man!! Minus 500 000 points from Griffindore!!!
well i think its understandable , seriously ..
[System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
2 pages of whine-moan-groan, intolerably horrific spelling and grammar, more screams of 'hax' 'cheese', and the 'almighty' Atlantra 'if you use XYZ, you have no skill, even if it is a valid counter to what it is I do, just because it is a valid counter to what I do'.
Then again, Atlantra seems quite fond of 1-hit KO's with gravity wells. As if that takes skill. lol, avoiding them takes more skill by far than using them.
Frankly, if you can't kill a player that uses rom t4 placate, just because of that placate, YOU have no skill.
It takes skill to do that, unlike mashing space.
I truly regret even bothering TRYING to make you see how much of a whiney 'waaaah but I want to WIN!' attitude you have.
Thank you for the single KDF that actually read and got it.
The rest? GROW UP. It's a game.
What you call cheese and hax are game mechanics and strategy. Adapt and win, or moan and continue to rage-post in the forums. I no longer care.
Quite obviously trying to explain to the immature individuals here about strategy and counters is a waste of my time, all you want to hear is 'nerf everything I don't use so that I can WIN'.
YOU are what kills PVP in this game. The playerbase. Even TD is full of 'don't use this, because I cannot be bothered to learn how to counter it'. Like that helps anyone learn valid counters, or increase their skill.
The most fun I have in PVP is seeing a new 'trick' and having to account for it. Did all the PVE carebears suddenly come PVP, or what? Does nobody want a challenge anymore, with 'I WIN' being the only goal?
If that's the case, why even bother to queue? Go beat up a fleetmate with no equipment. Guaranteed win. And the game doesn't get nerfed to oblivion for your lack of sportsmanship.
The only thing that is 'really' OP in this game is teamwork, as in every other game.
Oh, and the fact the devs will listen to you and throw out nerf after nerf. No other game gets this kind of mechanic mangling due to player whining, enjoy it while you can, as you actively kill the game with it.
You have already stolen every unique thing the Klingons had with Fed whining. Why am I not surprised that that did not make Feds happy.... "Klingons are OP!!!!!' No, it was teamwork, they had to grind out 30 levels on nothing but PVP and you are surprised they had better teamwork?
Those of you under 18 need adult supervision, obviously. Those of you over 18 need to get a life. It's just a game, and it has absolutely 0 bearing on reality, win or lose.
you dont even see what im taling on this thread , u just here to try to troll....
troll????? all your post of this is op thats op is troll. you thinking your a good player or that you even know game mechanics is troll. your cancer that just grows every time you post a topic. good example is your "proof" how op faw is when your dps gets higher when you have more then one target........ i could not even believe you did not even understand why. also loved how you would say in karret "hey noobs when faw gets nerfed your going to suck again"
lol faw dont crit yet you still get owned 1v1 by faw. its pressure damage. its going to take your shields off. what happens when you have no shields? even if faw was critting its still balanced wise. its why as a team you need to cross heal and hand out tact teams to team mates. not smash space bar and having tt trigger off. its why you get poped so much. you have no tt so me and a team mate cannon burst you. if you want to create topics of this is op thats op then take off the TRIBBLE your using. that t4 placate alone saves you against a person thats not using it. so dont be such a hypocrite.
For have success in pvp, u need run all that cause it will be not playable and u will not enjoy the game if u make a 5 man team and go to the queu !
-- talken rift is very efficient, blow all ur power even if u have full skill into power insulator ! plus it stack omg !
-- vaper : ppl who kill veteran pvp player under a sec without give to the target the time to react cause of the big crits that have no sens lol and the only way to counter that is all your teamate SCI captain need have that console (Console - Universal - Tachyon Detection Field) and the sad thing is : THE KDF CANT GET THAT CONSOLE so good luck to the kdf premade !
-- yellowstone pets .. never been fixed , they plocate ! wow
-- Fire at will , when it will be fixed, u will see ppl using scimitar with 80k DPS (escort do only around 20 k dps with a cannon build)
i hope one day pvp in sto will come back like how it was in season 5 , it was alote much better then it is now , and many more player was playing the game ,I DONT KNOW WHY but alote of veteran pvper have left the game !!!
so i think im gonna stay AWAY from pvp except if all my teamate run all the thing ppl call cheese !
PS: for the cusual pvper enjoy ur rage quit
I agree vapers are an issue!! hehe
Really though a romulan vaper who is puggin ain't so bad. It's only op with teamwork, stacking multiple sensor scans just before the vape, makes it almost a sure thing.
Was surprised to see Tyken's Rift mentioned. Countered by hazards, or just engine battery+evasive. But I haven't run into a team stacking it yet like you mentioned.
Really though a romulan vaper who is puggin ain't so bad. It's only op with teamwork, stacking multiple sensor scans just before the vape, makes it almost a sure thing.
Was surprised to see Tyken's Rift mentioned. Countered by hazards, or just engine battery+evasive. But I haven't run into a team stacking it yet like you mentioned.
tyken stay when u use haxard, i mean it debuff and reapply debuff and reaply during 5 sec, so ur power nevver go up , in premade match, u get hold into that and u got NUKE, the real probleme is tyken stack so when 2 guy do it in same time u lose all ur power under a second(free kill) and it cant be friendly fire with ams or SS exemple
[System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
so you know all broken stuffs .I see you listed them .
every power /debuff needs to have a counter.When you list them like a true captain kirk people expect you know the counters for them.
A2B is countered by power drain/target subsystem: aux.
tykens, gw is countered just by moving. EPTE/A2D/PH help in that regard.
FAW, DEM, either move out of range or feedback pulse or RSP+HE.
They do have counters..... screaming 'broken' because you don't use them is all I'm hearing.
tyken stay when u use haxard, i mean it debuff and reapply debuff and reaply during 5 sec, so ur power nevver go up , in premade match, u get hold into that and u got NUKE, the real probleme is tyken stack so when 2 guy do it in same time u lose all ur power under a second(free kill) and it cant be friendly fire with ams or SS exemple
I take it in this over blown fantasy of how the enemy perform your team is spamming full aux hazard emitters, TSS, 5 extend shields, miracle worker popped up somehow and you have each career fleet ability up instead of your team being the other side of the map catching butterflies...
-- talken rift is very efficient, blow all ur power even if u have full skill into power insulator ! plus it stack omg
Tyken's Rift wouldn't possibly be able to drain all your power by itself with max power insulators. I think the drain build targeting you used other things also.
tyken stay when u use haxard, i mean it debuff and reapply debuff and reaply during 5 sec, so ur power nevver go up , in premade match, u get hold into that and u got NUKE, the real probleme is tyken stack so when 2 guy do it in same time u lose all ur power under a second(free kill) and it cant be friendly fire with ams or SS exemple
If two drain builds throw Tyken's Rift on you, bad luck. Your teammates should have helped you. Anyway, a single ship could do the same thing to you using multiple powers at once, but they sacrifice DPS and armor.
The bloke who, when he tried to kill me in Kerrat some months ago while i was still piloting my Excelsior with the single cannons... couldn't. Then called on all the HOBO's who was in Kerrat at the time to...and i quote...
"target blind guy he easy kill"
Blind guy is me by the way... partially blind at least.
Butt hurt he couldn't kill me alone. Since then a select group of the HOBO's (admittedly not all.. some of them still have morals) have made a point in attacking me, en masse, everytime they see me. Even attacking me en masse when i sit above cracked waiting for a 1v1 just because little Zelda is talentless.
Here Zelda, let this average partially blind PVP'er hold the "Exit PVP" door open for you, don't let the door hit yer rear end on the way out.
"You know when that shark bites, with its teeth dear... scarlet billows start to spread..."
Whether one considers some stuff broken or just a nice piece of equipment, one thing is true: The power creep from gear has led to a situation where the quality of the hardware in your ship has a greater impact on your success in PvP than the skill of the captain, as long as the captain has at least good understanding of (not necessarily great skill in) STO space combat.
That is kind of a turn-off. What is the point of a PvP match if the only thing you can find out is that spending a few hundred thousand dilithium on a ship makes it clearly superior?
So... do you go PVP in WoW, or any other persistent gear MMO PVP content with standard issue gear?
This is not LoL, or GW2. There is persistent advancement to be had, reward to one spending time on a build, and knowing how and when to put it to use. Why exactly is that bad? It adds more depth than a game like LoL will ever have.
By very design of most games, this included, high-end gear will provide more effectiveness than lower-end gear. Should a skilled player in subpar gear be able to compete against unskilled players with the best gear in the game? Yes, and they can.
Should it be easy to do so? Ummmm, no. Kind of moots the effort put in earning that gear.
Can someone please help me understand why everyone seems so keen on PVPing with their (opponents?) hands tied behind their backs?
Even to the point our 'Fight Club' has rules detailing how one can fight, what one can use?
(No offense to the TD channel, such has not been enforced on my builds, nor would I even bother to bring less than my A-game to any PVP if you tried to enforce it, I'd rather not even bother to x up.)
It's PVP, ALL is fair in Love and War. WTH?
I have tasted defeat. But unlike many posting in this topic, instead of raging for a nerf or sicing a fleet on the individual, I did the logical thing - asked what the player was doing and congratulated him for a good game.
WTH is wrong with this playerbase? Seriously? How much entitlement disease did your parents feed you? Far too much by the look of it.
It is a battle of wits, skill, and equipment over a long-term series of engagements. Barring the lack of a true loss of life, that defines a war.
Like sports, it has rules however - rules defined by the developers, the rules that shape the game. Not rules made up by players screaming 'OP!!!!1111'. I would encourage you to go try to play basketball with no legs, or baseball with no arms. Same difference as build restrictions.
And very honestly, what is the saddest part is that the screams of 'OP, Nerf it!' are heard over the quiet explanations of players who know how to counter all of these 'OP' abilities/consoles.
None of it is OP, all of it is counterable and I have myself survived through.
However..... now you grind a gear. Video Gaming is not sports. It is entertainment. Only the entitlement disease of the current generation has a non-physical activity labeled as 'sports', and people earning money playing a video game. Please go actually get some exercise now, thanks.
That was my point: Wits and skill are currently overshadowed by equipment, to the point that
wits+skill < equipment+passives
It used to be different, but all the little goodies they have introduced add up. I have beaten people who are clearly better than me, just because I had all the rep passives and the elite fleet equipment on that toon. I could not learn anything from such encounters, and could not find them entertaining either.
It's an MMORPG?
Please, go find me one, single, gear-persistent PVP MMORPG, where
wits+skill > equipment+passives
I have yet to see one, and I have played many. I severely doubt one exists, if you know of one, it may prove quite entertaining for some time.
As it stands, the instant a game has persistent gear one can keep in PVP, the players with better gear will have the edge. And I'm not really certain they don't deserve that edge - they worked for that very gear.
More to the point, how is that different than every actual war in history? As a general rule, the side with better equipment/technology wins, with strategy and guile making the difference between entities of similar firepower.
There are exceptions to the rule in both cases - I have seen a veteran player in common mk X gear with no passives soundly pound a newer player with elite fleet gear+all reps maxed, it is possible. Easy? nope, every second counts. Possible? yep. :P
so... halt all content production to keep that?
.......... there would be no players left. All MMO's see the addition of new equipment better than the old over time. All MMO's see this 'power creep' that casual players complain of due to unwillingness to go into PVP prepared and veteran players know how to and are prepared to counter. You want a game with no depth and all skill, go play a FPS or RTS.
The only things keeping me playing this game is fleet and challenge from competent players in PVP queues. I expect them to have gear worth spitting at, sorry. Only a fool enters PVP in any MMORPG with subpar gear.
For reference, I don't use any of the items or consoles complained of in this topic.
Do you see me complaining about them? Absolutely not, I view them as a challenge to learn to adapt and succeed against.
I do use t4 rom rep placate, but am fully capable of taking out a ship using it without it. People act like placate for 1 second on crit is the end of times.
Seriously, it's non-issue for BFAW, and any cannon escort worth their ship had better know how to manually pick targets. It's only an 'issue' for players who do nothing but mash space.... which actually explains the volume of complaints. -.- sighs. talking to a brick wall, a minority in a "Must WI1111!!!N with no effort or investment" majority, nvm.
WTH is wrong with this playerbase? Seriously? How much entitlement disease did your parents feed you? Far too much by the look of it.
well to be fair the stuff they put out is op. people just want a fair match with out all the lame stuff that does not take skill to use. remember when we had sub nuke doffs? would you call putting them on is bring your "A" game? i would not. i would say gg nub for your lack of skills. take it how you want. i dont complain about legit skills. we have a skill tree. but if my skill tree cant resist some of your skills then it is trash. at one time gp was bs, as was ams. now omega gets me out of gp. my sencors is speced to 6 so i get a nice reist to ams. but rom t4 cant be speced for or against. glad you cant spec for it. but to not have a skill tree resist against it?? well only trash players use it.
and most people that complain dont really understand the mechanics that goes on in the back round. its why we have so many nerf faw topics. for one its power creep. second is a reserve of power that dont really drain. so it just adds up and people are taking notice.
as far as tykens, i know when a player has eps skill up to 6 points or 9. insulators helps you but eps works against you. its the same mechanics of using rsp with a tt. you get the push pull effect. so when hit by tykens eps is trying to get your systems back up and tykens is just draining it out just as fast. ive tested this many many times. tykens 1 with flow to 6 verse a ship with 0 in eps up to 9 in eps. while those ships had 6 in insulators. and a ship that had 6 in insulators 9 in eps had sheilds taken off while a ship with 6 in insulators and 0 in eps, the sheilds never droped.
then we have energy sphion, should that get cleared by sci team and he???? no it should not. the fact every ship has he makes that skill pointless. cause even if your watching my buffs and see i just used my he, if its a nasty drain another team mate can send me he and clear it. in the old days we used energy sphion to force you into clearing it with sci team to leave you open to a nuke. really the system has been so messed up that our clears and counters are all over the place.
PvP should be Skill sightly over gear. in a match between two equally skilled individuals then gear should be the deciding factor. Think nascar/f1 racing all the cars are more or less the saem mechanically ultimately it comes down to luck and how the race team sets their car up.
Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
well to be fair the stuff they put out is op. people just want a fair match with out all the lame stuff that does not take skill to use. remember when we had sub nuke doffs? would you call putting them on is bring your "A" game? i would not. i would say gg nub for your lack of skills. take it how you want. i dont complain about legit skills. we have a skill tree. but if my skill tree cant resist some of your skills then it is trash. at one time gp was bs, as was ams. now omega gets me out of gp. my sencors is speced to 6 so i get a nice reist to ams. but rom t4 cant be speced for or against. glad you cant spec for it. but to not have a skill tree resist against it?? well only trash players use it.
Holy bloody balls. Confuse is 'trash'? Really now? Simply because you BFAW Zombie and it matters at ALL as a result?
This goes right into the whining about t4 rom rep pile. Any skilled player would not have an issue. It doesn't even break target, jeez.
Just because one cannot 'directly' specialize in countering it does not mean it is even worth using.
and most people that complain dont really understand the mechanics that goes on in the back round. its why we have so many nerf faw topics. for one its power creep. second is a reserve of power that dont really drain. so it just adds up and people are taking notice.
as far as tykens, i know when a player has eps skill up to 6 points or 9. insulators helps you but eps works against you. its the same mechanics of using rsp with a tt. you get the push pull effect. so when hit by tykens eps is trying to get your systems back up and tykens is just draining it out just as fast. ive tested this many many times. tykens 1 with flow to 6 verse a ship with 0 in eps up to 9 in eps. while those ships had 6 in insulators. and a ship that had 6 in insulators 9 in eps had sheilds taken off while a ship with 6 in insulators and 0 in eps, the sheilds never droped.
Min-max justice served. Seriously, running around with 0 insulators and 9 EPS, the player deserves that effect if they cannot react to move quickly enough.
then we have energy sphion, should that get cleared by sci team and he???? no it should not. the fact every ship has he makes that skill pointless. cause even if your watching my buffs and see i just used my he, if its a nasty drain another team mate can send me he and clear it. in the old days we used energy sphion to force you into clearing it with sci team to leave you open to a nuke. really the system has been so messed up that our clears and counters are all over the place.
Do you actually read yourself? 'Anything with no direct counter that I have to actually counter with intelligent piloting is OP. But if I use it, there MUST be no counters.' Hypocritical much?
'In the old days', the target spoken of, in a good team, would just get another science team. outcome changed 0.
EPS affecting the rate at which your target is drained, or the rate you can be drained, seems like a bug to me. Is EPS listed as a skill that improves drain abilities? No it's not. Does the tooltip for Tyken's say that EPS affects its drain? Nope. Shouldn't it be straight Flow Caps vs Power Insulators? That's my understanding.
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you dont even see what im taling on this thread , u just here to try to troll....
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
French Canadian
Yeah have something alright, but I seriously doubt a fan club. :rolleyes:
Good God your spelling man!! Minus 500 000 points from Griffindore!!!
well i think its understandable , seriously ..
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
French Canadian
Then again, Atlantra seems quite fond of 1-hit KO's with gravity wells. As if that takes skill. lol, avoiding them takes more skill by far than using them.
Frankly, if you can't kill a player that uses rom t4 placate, just because of that placate, YOU have no skill.
It takes skill to do that, unlike mashing space.
I truly regret even bothering TRYING to make you see how much of a whiney 'waaaah but I want to WIN!' attitude you have.
Thank you for the single KDF that actually read and got it.
The rest? GROW UP. It's a game.
What you call cheese and hax are game mechanics and strategy. Adapt and win, or moan and continue to rage-post in the forums. I no longer care.
Quite obviously trying to explain to the immature individuals here about strategy and counters is a waste of my time, all you want to hear is 'nerf everything I don't use so that I can WIN'.
YOU are what kills PVP in this game. The playerbase. Even TD is full of 'don't use this, because I cannot be bothered to learn how to counter it'. Like that helps anyone learn valid counters, or increase their skill.
The most fun I have in PVP is seeing a new 'trick' and having to account for it. Did all the PVE carebears suddenly come PVP, or what? Does nobody want a challenge anymore, with 'I WIN' being the only goal?
If that's the case, why even bother to queue? Go beat up a fleetmate with no equipment. Guaranteed win. And the game doesn't get nerfed to oblivion for your lack of sportsmanship.
The only thing that is 'really' OP in this game is teamwork, as in every other game.
Oh, and the fact the devs will listen to you and throw out nerf after nerf. No other game gets this kind of mechanic mangling due to player whining, enjoy it while you can, as you actively kill the game with it.
You have already stolen every unique thing the Klingons had with Fed whining. Why am I not surprised that that did not make Feds happy.... "Klingons are OP!!!!!' No, it was teamwork, they had to grind out 30 levels on nothing but PVP and you are surprised they had better teamwork?
Those of you under 18 need adult supervision, obviously. Those of you over 18 need to get a life. It's just a game, and it has absolutely 0 bearing on reality, win or lose.
troll????? all your post of this is op thats op is troll. you thinking your a good player or that you even know game mechanics is troll. your cancer that just grows every time you post a topic. good example is your "proof" how op faw is when your dps gets higher when you have more then one target........ i could not even believe you did not even understand why. also loved how you would say in karret "hey noobs when faw gets nerfed your going to suck again"
lol faw dont crit yet you still get owned 1v1 by faw. its pressure damage. its going to take your shields off. what happens when you have no shields? even if faw was critting its still balanced wise. its why as a team you need to cross heal and hand out tact teams to team mates. not smash space bar and having tt trigger off. its why you get poped so much. you have no tt so me and a team mate cannon burst you. if you want to create topics of this is op thats op then take off the TRIBBLE your using. that t4 placate alone saves you against a person thats not using it. so dont be such a hypocrite.
he is a french canadian. really does spelling really matter? this is not school.
I agree vapers are an issue!! hehe
Really though a romulan vaper who is puggin ain't so bad. It's only op with teamwork, stacking multiple sensor scans just before the vape, makes it almost a sure thing.
Was surprised to see Tyken's Rift mentioned. Countered by hazards, or just engine battery+evasive. But I haven't run into a team stacking it yet like you mentioned.
tyken stay when u use haxard, i mean it debuff and reapply debuff and reaply during 5 sec, so ur power nevver go up , in premade match, u get hold into that and u got NUKE, the real probleme is tyken stack so when 2 guy do it in same time u lose all ur power under a second(free kill) and it cant be friendly fire with ams or SS exemple
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
French Canadian
A2B is countered by power drain/target subsystem: aux.
tykens, gw is countered just by moving. EPTE/A2D/PH help in that regard.
FAW, DEM, either move out of range or feedback pulse or RSP+HE.
They do have counters..... screaming 'broken' because you don't use them is all I'm hearing.
I take it in this over blown fantasy of how the enemy perform your team is spamming full aux hazard emitters, TSS, 5 extend shields, miracle worker popped up somehow and you have each career fleet ability up instead of your team being the other side of the map catching butterflies...
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Tyken's Rift wouldn't possibly be able to drain all your power by itself with max power insulators. I think the drain build targeting you used other things also.
If two drain builds throw Tyken's Rift on you, bad luck. Your teammates should have helped you. Anyway, a single ship could do the same thing to you using multiple powers at once, but they sacrifice DPS and armor.
The infamous Zelda.
The bloke who, when he tried to kill me in Kerrat some months ago while i was still piloting my Excelsior with the single cannons... couldn't. Then called on all the HOBO's who was in Kerrat at the time to...and i quote...
"target blind guy he easy kill"
Blind guy is me by the way... partially blind at least.
Butt hurt he couldn't kill me alone. Since then a select group of the HOBO's (admittedly not all.. some of them still have morals) have made a point in attacking me, en masse, everytime they see me. Even attacking me en masse when i sit above cracked waiting for a 1v1 just because little Zelda is talentless.
Here Zelda, let this average partially blind PVP'er hold the "Exit PVP" door open for you, don't let the door hit yer rear end on the way out.
This is not LoL, or GW2. There is persistent advancement to be had, reward to one spending time on a build, and knowing how and when to put it to use. Why exactly is that bad? It adds more depth than a game like LoL will ever have.
By very design of most games, this included, high-end gear will provide more effectiveness than lower-end gear. Should a skilled player in subpar gear be able to compete against unskilled players with the best gear in the game? Yes, and they can.
Should it be easy to do so? Ummmm, no. Kind of moots the effort put in earning that gear.
Can someone please help me understand why everyone seems so keen on PVPing with their (opponents?) hands tied behind their backs?
Even to the point our 'Fight Club' has rules detailing how one can fight, what one can use?
(No offense to the TD channel, such has not been enforced on my builds, nor would I even bother to bring less than my A-game to any PVP if you tried to enforce it, I'd rather not even bother to x up.)
It's PVP, ALL is fair in Love and War. WTH?
I have tasted defeat. But unlike many posting in this topic, instead of raging for a nerf or sicing a fleet on the individual, I did the logical thing - asked what the player was doing and congratulated him for a good game.
WTH is wrong with this playerbase? Seriously? How much entitlement disease did your parents feed you? Far too much by the look of it.
It is a battle of wits, skill, and equipment over a long-term series of engagements. Barring the lack of a true loss of life, that defines a war.
Like sports, it has rules however - rules defined by the developers, the rules that shape the game. Not rules made up by players screaming 'OP!!!!1111'. I would encourage you to go try to play basketball with no legs, or baseball with no arms. Same difference as build restrictions.
And very honestly, what is the saddest part is that the screams of 'OP, Nerf it!' are heard over the quiet explanations of players who know how to counter all of these 'OP' abilities/consoles.
None of it is OP, all of it is counterable and I have myself survived through.
However..... now you grind a gear. Video Gaming is not sports. It is entertainment. Only the entitlement disease of the current generation has a non-physical activity labeled as 'sports', and people earning money playing a video game. Please go actually get some exercise now, thanks.
Please, go find me one, single, gear-persistent PVP MMORPG, where
wits+skill > equipment+passives
I have yet to see one, and I have played many. I severely doubt one exists, if you know of one, it may prove quite entertaining for some time.
As it stands, the instant a game has persistent gear one can keep in PVP, the players with better gear will have the edge. And I'm not really certain they don't deserve that edge - they worked for that very gear.
More to the point, how is that different than every actual war in history? As a general rule, the side with better equipment/technology wins, with strategy and guile making the difference between entities of similar firepower.
There are exceptions to the rule in both cases - I have seen a veteran player in common mk X gear with no passives soundly pound a newer player with elite fleet gear+all reps maxed, it is possible. Easy? nope, every second counts. Possible? yep. :P
so... halt all content production to keep that?
.......... there would be no players left. All MMO's see the addition of new equipment better than the old over time. All MMO's see this 'power creep' that casual players complain of due to unwillingness to go into PVP prepared and veteran players know how to and are prepared to counter. You want a game with no depth and all skill, go play a FPS or RTS.
The only things keeping me playing this game is fleet and challenge from competent players in PVP queues. I expect them to have gear worth spitting at, sorry. Only a fool enters PVP in any MMORPG with subpar gear.
For reference, I don't use any of the items or consoles complained of in this topic.
Do you see me complaining about them? Absolutely not, I view them as a challenge to learn to adapt and succeed against.
I do use t4 rom rep placate, but am fully capable of taking out a ship using it without it. People act like placate for 1 second on crit is the end of times.
Seriously, it's non-issue for BFAW, and any cannon escort worth their ship had better know how to manually pick targets. It's only an 'issue' for players who do nothing but mash space.... which actually explains the volume of complaints. -.- sighs. talking to a brick wall, a minority in a "Must WI1111!!!N with no effort or investment" majority, nvm.
well to be fair the stuff they put out is op. people just want a fair match with out all the lame stuff that does not take skill to use. remember when we had sub nuke doffs? would you call putting them on is bring your "A" game? i would not. i would say gg nub for your lack of skills. take it how you want. i dont complain about legit skills. we have a skill tree. but if my skill tree cant resist some of your skills then it is trash. at one time gp was bs, as was ams. now omega gets me out of gp. my sencors is speced to 6 so i get a nice reist to ams. but rom t4 cant be speced for or against. glad you cant spec for it. but to not have a skill tree resist against it?? well only trash players use it.
and most people that complain dont really understand the mechanics that goes on in the back round. its why we have so many nerf faw topics. for one its power creep. second is a reserve of power that dont really drain. so it just adds up and people are taking notice.
as far as tykens, i know when a player has eps skill up to 6 points or 9. insulators helps you but eps works against you. its the same mechanics of using rsp with a tt. you get the push pull effect. so when hit by tykens eps is trying to get your systems back up and tykens is just draining it out just as fast. ive tested this many many times. tykens 1 with flow to 6 verse a ship with 0 in eps up to 9 in eps. while those ships had 6 in insulators. and a ship that had 6 in insulators 9 in eps had sheilds taken off while a ship with 6 in insulators and 0 in eps, the sheilds never droped.
then we have energy sphion, should that get cleared by sci team and he???? no it should not. the fact every ship has he makes that skill pointless. cause even if your watching my buffs and see i just used my he, if its a nasty drain another team mate can send me he and clear it. in the old days we used energy sphion to force you into clearing it with sci team to leave you open to a nuke. really the system has been so messed up that our clears and counters are all over the place.
This goes right into the whining about t4 rom rep pile. Any skilled player would not have an issue. It doesn't even break target, jeez.
Just because one cannot 'directly' specialize in countering it does not mean it is even worth using. Min-max justice served. Seriously, running around with 0 insulators and 9 EPS, the player deserves that effect if they cannot react to move quickly enough. Do you actually read yourself? 'Anything with no direct counter that I have to actually counter with intelligent piloting is OP. But if I use it, there MUST be no counters.' Hypocritical much?
'In the old days', the target spoken of, in a good team, would just get another science team. outcome changed 0.