PSW stun+bo3 was more worst than 1million dmg, because you lost your control over game. Who was one shotted when used his resistances? i tought you can stack buffs and get pretty much resistance+heal over time. I just asking.
I wonder, does the WCE-clearance Doff also work against Tyk,EWP and similiar powers?
It works on everything..even things that HE, ET, TT, ST combined can't get cleared. If one has a debuff on them, that doff clears it. It's on my retardedly Over Powered list. It's just retardedly over priced so not everyone has it.
About tykens and EWP, if one hangs around it will get reapplied but it takes a few seconds.
I wonder, does the WCE-clearance Doff also work against Tyk,EWP and similiar powers?
any debuffs that are active when the proc applies, as I understand it, including EWP and Tykens, and as long as you are out of range when they clear they shouldn't reapply
I bought the blue one with 30% chance to clear, to make up for my lack of Science Team. The fact that the only EPtx I have is one copy for shields is probably why I haven't noticed any difference with this DOFF, but research is ongoing.
Somebody mentioned rage quiters.... well, i hated them before, now i do that too. Well, what can u doo, when many people go in teams of 2 helars, 2 op cloaked romulans and 1 or similar. If you dont have full well-equiped and experienced premade team, you cant do nothing, so i leave too when i see such teams. Romulans dont fight at all, all they do is being cloaked all time, then come from cloak, kill you thru shields, escape, and again, i may take off shields couse they doesnt help me at all, they shoot trhu them, and that is the stupidest thing i've ever seen in any game. Many people left pvp, my old fleet (Alcoholica, ex Ad Infinitum) are stoped playing pvp 90 percent of them, because there is no fight anymore, sci skills are stronger then ever, you cant fly att all, gravit well, plasma gass, tyken's, elachi consoles, energy drainers, tractors, and worst of all - cloaked op romulans, they kill you and escape, there is no fight at all, so people leaving, and many of us that still playing, often leaving matches when see teams of spamers and more then 1 op cloaked romulans.. Cryptic definitely ruined pvp, its worst then ever, personaly, its not fun anymore.
Not necessarily. The most coordinated team usually wins out over time.
"OK, you fly in a circle and dump warp plasma, you spam gravity wells, and you launch tractor mines and runabouts. I'll subnuke/VM/scramble them once they're immobilized. Ready? Break!"
"OK, you fly in a circle and dump warp plasma, you spam gravity wells, and you launch tractor mines and runabouts. I'll subnuke/VM/scramble them once they're immobilized. Ready? Break!"
:rolleyes:
Elaborate, masterful tactics, there.
Aren't the best tactics the ones that work? CC is the counter to defense, spike is the counter to resists, it all works together. You seem to have a very narrow definition of what good tactics are. If the ones you're using aren't working or are less-effective in the current meta, then that's a self-problem. Everything you just described can be countered quite easily by a coordinated team.
You seem to have a very narrow definition of what good tactics are.
It's all subjective, and I'm barely mediocre on a good day. I just get tired and bored of the matches with sci-spammer premades dumping their space magic in a tight little ball that they never leave. Yes, it's successful, but it's also cheesy and dull.
Everything you just described can be countered quite easily by a coordinated team.
Which must be great in those cases where "coordinated team" is a viable, reliable option. Not so much for me. There are exactly two members in my fleet, and we're not both online at the same time very often. My situation allows me to log on, queue up, get it done and leave. No time for dinking around on some special chat channel begging for a team.
"OK, you fly in a circle and dump warp plasma, you spam gravity wells, and you launch tractor mines and runabouts. I'll subnuke/VM/scramble them once they're immobilized. Ready? Break!"
:rolleyes:
Elaborate, masterful tactics, there.
In my hjopinion you remove the cheese factor by making GW,ewp,Tykens, mines and other similiar powers have friendly fire.
I do not see players flinging GWs around if they can effect their own team members in pvp. A more precise use of said powers would be needed to keep down friendly deaths.
All well and good saying hazards clears tykens rift, right up until you get hit by A) multiple copies rinse and repeat teams. Or the super boosted insta power drain version.
Been hit a few times and ended up with zero aux, zero shields, zero engines and zero weapons. Used an aux battery to get hazards back and that too instadrained.
The fact that my power insulated skill is nearly maxed out and other consoles that have PI points in them, doesn't make a blind but of difference.
I haven't even logged into the game for a couple of weeks or so because it offers nothing entertaining.
Hey, let's play this game where you have to grind like a slave to get anything, are the missions fun?
No, utter boring.
How about PvP?
Yeah, don't bother if you want anything resembling a teeny bit of balanced gameplay.
My advice?
Quit the game, find something better, play that instead, save money, have a better time.
Off to play BF4, it's where PvP is balanced, the only thing that separates players is genuine skill. Not p2w.
Off to play BF4, it's where PvP is balanced, the only thing that separates players is genuine skill. Not p2w.
as a former competitive bf3 player, i can advice you this: stay away of bf4. It has the worst netcode i ever seen, and i play online fps since half life 1 lol
All well and good saying hazards clears tykens rift, right up until you get hit by A) multiple copies rinse and repeat teams. Or the super boosted insta power drain version.
Been hit a few times and ended up with zero aux, zero shields, zero engines and zero weapons. Used an aux battery to get hazards back and that too instadrained.
The fact that my power insulated skill is nearly maxed out and other consoles that have PI points in them, doesn't make a blind but of difference.
what stops you from using multiple HE lol
what can be wrong about that if it drains @ PI and needs x^56 counters to counter it once?
Why not this. All the regular pre-made fleets/teams that are a staple in the queues create an alt. Level that alt up to LT Cmdr level and stop. Use only the ships in that tier, Sabers, Rapiers, Connies, Exeters, Novas, Rhode Islands Etc. Have scheduled events and you guys can have skill on skill cheese free, Rep free, lockbox free fun. Remeber how fun low level PVP is? Since the Devs wont do it for you then do it yourselves. Everyone that loves honest clean cheese free PVP make an Alt level it up to Lt Cmdr and have fun. No Rep allowed. Purple gear is allowed, All doffs allowed, Only uni consoles that came with your ship allowed. That should make things level and fun.
sounds like the shuttle pvp cue might be the way to go for all these folks to be honest, there they can beat their chests on how many people they owned with piloting skill alone LOL
right up until they get caught in a black hole, and are GPG'd and Iso Charged with the rest of their team. Maybe a Torp Spread Trico to finish it off. Cheesey wins will not go away.
The only real difference will be fewer options for countering cheese and fewer slots for equipping cheese consoles. So you might not see as much, but it'll be a lot harder to fight it.
as a former competitive bf3 player, i can advice you this: stay away of bf4. It has the worst netcode i ever seen, and i play online fps since half life 1 lol
Counter strike, quake and doom for me in the early days.
I gave up on BF3, it annoyed me.
BF4 isn't bad.
Frankly it's lost its battlefield sparkle.
BF1942 was awesome, Vietnam lacked substance, BF2 was just amazing, especially with all the mods (was playing BF2-PRmod at comp level). I personally loved 2142, big stompy robots FTW.
Then there was the BFBC games, okay but not battlefield.
I think call of duty has ruined anything FPS wise these days.
Anywho, back on topic.
How would multi copies of HE work?
One copy doesn't work against TRift because it takes everything instantly, not even a slow drain but a switch, everything then nothing.
For have success in pvp, u need run all that cause it will be not playable and u will not enjoy the game if u make a 5 man team and go to the queu !
-- talken rift is very efficient, blow all ur power even if u have full skill into power insulator ! plus it stack omg !
-- vaper : ppl who kill veteran pvp player under a sec without give to the target the time to react cause of the big crits that have no sens lol and the only way to counter that is all your teamate SCI captain need have that console (Console - Universal - Tachyon Detection Field) and the sad thing is : THE KDF CANT GET THAT CONSOLE so good luck to the kdf premade !
-- yellowstone pets .. never been fixed , they plocate ! wow
-- Fire at will , when it will be fixed, u will see ppl using scimitar with 80k DPS (escort do only around 20 k dps with a cannon build)
i hope one day pvp in sto will come back like how it was in season 5 , it was alote much better then it is now , and many more player was playing the game ,I DONT KNOW WHY but alote of veteran pvper have left the game !!!
so i think im gonna stay AWAY from pvp except if all my teamate run all the thing ppl call cheese !
PS: for the cusual pvper enjoy ur rage quit
You're complaining .. yet weren't you in a Scimmy using FAW when it was(is) broken and crit'ing out the wazoo? And yet, since it no longer crits and is no longer broken to your benefit, you no longer use it? Kinda makes your complaining a bit redundant, no?
Counter strike, quake and doom for me in the early days.
I gave up on BF3, it annoyed me.
BF4 isn't bad.
Frankly it's lost its battlefield sparkle.
BF1942 was awesome, Vietnam lacked substance, BF2 was just amazing, especially with all the mods (was playing BF2-PRmod at comp level). I personally loved 2142, big stompy robots FTW.
Then there was the BFBC games, okay but not battlefield.
I think call of duty has ruined anything FPS wise these days.
Anywho, back on topic.
How would multi copies of HE work?
One copy doesn't work against TRift because it takes everything instantly, not even a slow drain but a switch, everything then nothing.
I think he's talking about having more than 1 copy on a team.
If Tykens is draining you instantly, then you seriously need to consider some points in Power Insulators. I always have time to activate my HE before it drains to zero, and then I get out of Dodge before it can start draining again. Tykens is a per tic drain. Of course, I don't always notice that I'm in one (because they're frequently invisible, thanks Cryptic) until my powers start greying out. Even then you can pop an aux batt or RMC, hit HE and evasives and get out of Dodge.
I don't understand why people create threads complaining about broken skills when they've used the same broken skills they're complaining about to their own advantage in PvP for so long, e.g. FAW. You know there's a word for that...? Hypocrisy!
Also, I'm sick of these players calling out skills or builds that they deem to be "cheese". If they're really so bad then why do you continue to copy these supposedly "cheese" builds? I mean, Link complained about tractor beam repulsors and then went and used the skill (albeit poorly) in PvP himself! haha
I don't understand why people create threads complaining about broken skills when they've used the same broken skills they're complaining about to their own advantage in PvP for so long, e.g. FAW. You know there's a word for that...? Hypocrisy!
Also, I'm sick of these players calling out skills or builds that they deem to be "cheese". If they're really so bad then why do you continue to copy these supposedly "cheese" builds? I mean, Link complained about tractor beam repulsors and then went and used the skill (albeit poorly) in PvP himself! haha
Yeah, I agree, someone needs a personal invite to PVP Bootcamp for a thread like this... now where is that guy that caught cancer from this thread...MEEEEDDDIICCC!:D
Tyken can do all that without the help of siphon or any other drain ability ????
You can get flow caps up in excess of 300 if you try hard. Honestly though, what he is describing seems more like there were a couple of Tyken's rifts stacked on top of each other. That does speed the drain up significantly. Still, an aux battery followed by HE and anything you have to help you relocate quickly are in order during these situations. It works very well.
Yeah to be honest if your power is hitting 0 quicker than you can react one or a few things are happening:
1) You have no power insulators.
2) There is a lot of drains being stacked on you by one or more people.
3) You're running low power to a subsystem like aux or engines which you needed to GTFO.
4) You're asleep in which case *clap clap* WAKE UP!
However to be honest I would much rather talk about the other games brought up. Love counterstrike, even though you get embarrassingly curbstomped by the pros you kinda know its skill, you know they've spent months learning the precise timing for when a scoping in becomes more accurate, what common tactics are, the fire rates and how many shots it takes to kill someone in which part of the body.
Ah I do like online FPS, people might look down on it and think its full of bro-gamers and T-bagging halo fanboys but there's more to it and 99% of the time it's skill that got the kill not some form of UI lag that put everything on cool down or didn't activate abilities etc.
I'll start with the boring bit.
I am nearly maxed out PI side and the the obvious stuff that comes with extra points.
I'm running W=125+
S=60
E=89
A= is 45-49 (tac escort but boosted by batteries)
I have plas leech so all of that boosts up anyhow.
It's only really become bad since the Voth stuff turned up.
CoD was ok when it first came out but has just turned into a pretty mindless twitch game, you don't even need to aim half the time.
As well as bf4, I've been battering ARMA3, now that is a freakin hard game, genuinely requires a fair chunk of skill to be anywhere near half decent.
Be interesting to see how many others dare venture from STO to play games where you can't win by being richer or carry more spam and cheese.
Games where macro keys don't work
Hopefully GTA5 comes out on PC this year. Gives me something else to play, something a little less hardcore.
I'll start with the boring bit.
I am nearly maxed out PI side and the the obvious stuff that comes with extra points.
I'm running W=125+
S=60
E=89
A= is 45-49 (tac escort but boosted by batteries)
I have plas leech so all of that boosts up anyhow.
It's only really become bad since the Voth stuff turned up.
As far as I can tell, the Aceton Mode console has no counter to its drain. HE doesn't work, but people try anyway. I use it to draw the Hazards before I start the real drain. If that doesn't work I drop some Warp Poo or Theta or both or hit some TBR's anything to try and draw that hazards out so I can nuke it and then start the drain. Timing is everything, if you're being caught with your pants down and drained to nothing, I'd say it was skill on the part of the drainer as well... just knowing exactly when to do it for max effect.
You're complaining .. yet weren't you in a Scimmy using FAW when it was(is) broken and crit'ing out the wazoo? And yet, since it no longer crits and is no longer broken to your benefit, you no longer use it? Kinda makes your complaining a bit redundant, no?
I don't understand why people create threads complaining about broken skills when they've used the same broken skills they're complaining about to their own advantage in PvP for so long, e.g. FAW. You know there's a word for that...? Hypocrisy!
Also, I'm sick of these players calling out skills or builds that they deem to be "cheese". If they're really so bad then why do you continue to copy these supposedly "cheese" builds? I mean, Link complained about tractor beam repulsors and then went and used the skill (albeit poorly) in PvP himself! haha
Yeah, I agree, someone needs a personal invite to PVP Bootcamp for a thread like this... now where is that guy that caught cancer from this thread...MEEEEDDDIICCC!:D
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It works on everything..even things that HE, ET, TT, ST combined can't get cleared. If one has a debuff on them, that doff clears it. It's on my retardedly Over Powered list. It's just retardedly over priced so not everyone has it.
About tykens and EWP, if one hangs around it will get reapplied but it takes a few seconds.
any debuffs that are active when the proc applies, as I understand it, including EWP and Tykens, and as long as you are out of range when they clear they shouldn't reapply
Not necessarily. The most coordinated team usually wins out over time.
Im not talking about those fleets in pvp queus that have all the cheesy in the world but dont know about tac team.
"OK, you fly in a circle and dump warp plasma, you spam gravity wells, and you launch tractor mines and runabouts. I'll subnuke/VM/scramble them once they're immobilized. Ready? Break!"
:rolleyes:
Elaborate, masterful tactics, there.
Aren't the best tactics the ones that work? CC is the counter to defense, spike is the counter to resists, it all works together. You seem to have a very narrow definition of what good tactics are. If the ones you're using aren't working or are less-effective in the current meta, then that's a self-problem. Everything you just described can be countered quite easily by a coordinated team.
It's all subjective, and I'm barely mediocre on a good day. I just get tired and bored of the matches with sci-spammer premades dumping their space magic in a tight little ball that they never leave. Yes, it's successful, but it's also cheesy and dull.
Which must be great in those cases where "coordinated team" is a viable, reliable option. Not so much for me. There are exactly two members in my fleet, and we're not both online at the same time very often. My situation allows me to log on, queue up, get it done and leave. No time for dinking around on some special chat channel begging for a team.
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i have no rep past tier 2....
i dont use any cheese consoles...
and i seem to do very well.
hrm.
have fun kill bad guys
edit: well i was using tif on my mobius for a while.... but....it fell out of favor for something more effective.
In my hjopinion you remove the cheese factor by making GW,ewp,Tykens, mines and other similiar powers have friendly fire.
I do not see players flinging GWs around if they can effect their own team members in pvp. A more precise use of said powers would be needed to keep down friendly deaths.
R.I.P
Been hit a few times and ended up with zero aux, zero shields, zero engines and zero weapons. Used an aux battery to get hazards back and that too instadrained.
The fact that my power insulated skill is nearly maxed out and other consoles that have PI points in them, doesn't make a blind but of difference.
I haven't even logged into the game for a couple of weeks or so because it offers nothing entertaining.
Hey, let's play this game where you have to grind like a slave to get anything, are the missions fun?
No, utter boring.
How about PvP?
Yeah, don't bother if you want anything resembling a teeny bit of balanced gameplay.
My advice?
Quit the game, find something better, play that instead, save money, have a better time.
Off to play BF4, it's where PvP is balanced, the only thing that separates players is genuine skill. Not p2w.
as a former competitive bf3 player, i can advice you this: stay away of bf4. It has the worst netcode i ever seen, and i play online fps since half life 1 lol
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what stops you from using multiple HE lol
what can be wrong about that if it drains @ PI and needs x^56 counters to counter it once?
right up until they get caught in a black hole, and are GPG'd and Iso Charged with the rest of their team. Maybe a Torp Spread Trico to finish it off. Cheesey wins will not go away.
The only real difference will be fewer options for countering cheese and fewer slots for equipping cheese consoles. So you might not see as much, but it'll be a lot harder to fight it.
Counter strike, quake and doom for me in the early days.
I gave up on BF3, it annoyed me.
BF4 isn't bad.
Frankly it's lost its battlefield sparkle.
BF1942 was awesome, Vietnam lacked substance, BF2 was just amazing, especially with all the mods (was playing BF2-PRmod at comp level). I personally loved 2142, big stompy robots FTW.
Then there was the BFBC games, okay but not battlefield.
I think call of duty has ruined anything FPS wise these days.
Anywho, back on topic.
How would multi copies of HE work?
One copy doesn't work against TRift because it takes everything instantly, not even a slow drain but a switch, everything then nothing.
You're complaining .. yet weren't you in a Scimmy using FAW when it was(is) broken and crit'ing out the wazoo? And yet, since it no longer crits and is no longer broken to your benefit, you no longer use it? Kinda makes your complaining a bit redundant, no?
I think he's talking about having more than 1 copy on a team.
If Tykens is draining you instantly, then you seriously need to consider some points in Power Insulators. I always have time to activate my HE before it drains to zero, and then I get out of Dodge before it can start draining again. Tykens is a per tic drain. Of course, I don't always notice that I'm in one (because they're frequently invisible, thanks Cryptic) until my powers start greying out.
Also, I'm sick of these players calling out skills or builds that they deem to be "cheese". If they're really so bad then why do you continue to copy these supposedly "cheese" builds? I mean, Link complained about tractor beam repulsors and then went and used the skill (albeit poorly) in PvP himself! haha
Yeah, I agree, someone needs a personal invite to PVP Bootcamp for a thread like this... now where is that guy that caught cancer from this thread...MEEEEDDDIICCC!:D
You can get flow caps up in excess of 300 if you try hard. Honestly though, what he is describing seems more like there were a couple of Tyken's rifts stacked on top of each other. That does speed the drain up significantly. Still, an aux battery followed by HE and anything you have to help you relocate quickly are in order during these situations. It works very well.
1) You have no power insulators.
2) There is a lot of drains being stacked on you by one or more people.
3) You're running low power to a subsystem like aux or engines which you needed to GTFO.
4) You're asleep in which case *clap clap* WAKE UP!
However to be honest I would much rather talk about the other games brought up. Love counterstrike, even though you get embarrassingly curbstomped by the pros you kinda know its skill, you know they've spent months learning the precise timing for when a scoping in becomes more accurate, what common tactics are, the fire rates and how many shots it takes to kill someone in which part of the body.
Ah I do like online FPS, people might look down on it and think its full of bro-gamers and T-bagging halo fanboys but there's more to it and 99% of the time it's skill that got the kill not some form of UI lag that put everything on cool down or didn't activate abilities etc.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
I am nearly maxed out PI side and the the obvious stuff that comes with extra points.
I'm running W=125+
S=60
E=89
A= is 45-49 (tac escort but boosted by batteries)
I have plas leech so all of that boosts up anyhow.
It's only really become bad since the Voth stuff turned up.
CoD was ok when it first came out but has just turned into a pretty mindless twitch game, you don't even need to aim half the time.
As well as bf4, I've been battering ARMA3, now that is a freakin hard game, genuinely requires a fair chunk of skill to be anywhere near half decent.
Be interesting to see how many others dare venture from STO to play games where you can't win by being richer or carry more spam and cheese.
Games where macro keys don't work
Hopefully GTA5 comes out on PC this year. Gives me something else to play, something a little less hardcore.
As far as I can tell, the Aceton Mode console has no counter to its drain. HE doesn't work, but people try anyway. I use it to draw the Hazards before I start the real drain. If that doesn't work I drop some Warp Poo or Theta or both or hit some TBR's anything to try and draw that hazards out so I can nuke it and then start the drain. Timing is everything, if you're being caught with your pants down and drained to nothing, I'd say it was skill on the part of the drainer as well... just knowing exactly when to do it for max effect.
yay, i have a fan club
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