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  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I have one question: what is going to happend with the demorecord tool if I decide to install ARC? Because I think (maybe I am wrong) that part of the tool is associated with the launcher.
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  • tymerstotymersto Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Let me start of by saying I am all for a unified game launcher and websites with a unified architecture... for those who play more than 1 Cryptic/PWE game.

    Myself, I play STO primarily and sometimes Champions and Jade Dynasty.

    What I am not in favor of is...

    A) A program that is forced to run in the background while playing a Cryptic/PWE game.
    B) A program that cannot be stopped while a Cryptic/PWE game is running that is started through Arc.
    C) A program that is apparently tracking me while it is running. I am sure some of this is tracking games I play and time playing, but my question is... What else are you tracking?
    D) A program that duplicates other social networking programs that I am currently using. Why add this? it simply uses more of a system's resources when the object is to get people to play the games not idle and chat.
    E) A program that spams me with advertisements for other Cryptic/PWE games that I have no interest in downloading/playing.
    F) A program that has a built-in web browser which has little to no security.
    G) A program that is eventually going to replace all Cryptic/PWE launchers.
    H) Cherry-picking the questions the developers have or will answer while not addressing all other feedback already given by the STO community in this thread and the others that have been posted to.

    From my experience using Arc, the program is nothing more than bloatware/adware/spyware. I neither need it, nor want it on my PC. I have tested the previous version and this new Beta version. Yes, the interface and imagery are much improved, but...

    Even if you put lipstick on a pig... it's still a pig.

    Pretty much my thoughts as well concerning ARC. Though in my case, I'm only playing STO. I'm not interested in any other Cryptic/PWE game. Period.

    If I could use Steam when ARC becomes fully mandatory, I would. Unfortunately, Steam currently doesn't play nice with my system and what Steam's support suggestions about it, I will not adopt. So that leaves me to say good bye to STO when ARC becomes fully mandatory.

    I don't have an issue with a unified Updater/Launcher. That's fine by me. I just want to have the flexibility to opt out of ARC's unnecessary, for me, "features" and operation if I wish. That's all I'm asking for. If ARC can terminate after game launch is included, I would be more than willing to try ARC. Otherwise, I won't even bother testing ARC in any way, shape, or form.


    Thank you for the time...
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Haven't Y'all figured it out, yet? pwe/cryptic is listening only to Marketing and Marketing is listening only to our wallets.

    You want them to stop this ARC nonsense? Simple.

    1) Cut the revenue stream to zero. Stop spending money on STO.

    2) Stop playing STO at all until somebody at pwe/cryptic wakes up and hears the sound of the cash stream drying up.

    No matter what you say, no matter how eloquently or crudely you put it, pwe/cryptic is not going to listen to anything else we post here about not wanting ARC. They've not listened so far. They're not listening now. There is no reason to expect this to change.

    The Star Trek IP has been a cash cow for whoever has owned it in the past. Paramount once referred to Star Trek as, "the crown jewel of all our properties". They wouldn't say something like this if it was no good at making piles of money.

    Perhaps CBS is the entity to contact here. After all if their IP license starts showing a loss, they might have more leverage with pwe/cryptic than we do. I wonder how fast they would yank the license if STO began losing money for them because of ARC?

    The Dev Team are puppets on this topic and have to dance to their masters' tunes. Of course they're going to put a positive spin on ARC. Of course they're going to respond with sugar coated niceties about how wonderful yet another piece of bloatware installed on customers' computers will be. But the doublespeak and non answers are very disappointing and sad to see. Sure hope they can find a new job when this thing dies and good luck with something like ARC on a resume.

    "What? You killed a Star Trek game? How is that even possible? And now you want a job here?"

    The only thing which gets a corporate entity's attention is the profit margin. When this suddenly goes south in a hurry, the MBA's (who are sooo much smarter than we are. Just ask them, they'll tell you) will quickly determine the following:

    The majority of STO players neither want or need ARC.

    When their profits vanish, they'll listen. Until then all the, ahem, "feedback" on the planet is worth about as much a shoji in a hurricane.

    I'm not logging into STO again until this ARC thing is properly buried with a stake through its heart and whichever geniuses came up with this idea are run off. Or keelhauled. If I'm lucky they'll get both. And a pink slip.

    This is not an, "I quit" message. So no, you cannot have my stufs. :D
    This is an, "I'm not playing STO until after pwe/cryptic comes to their senses about ARC." message.

    I can only hope at this point enough people do the same thing long enough for ARC to die the painful death all bloatware/ spyware truly deserves.
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • startrek1warsstartrek1wars Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    My ARC Feedback:

    1)In the browser, we should be able to middle click in order to scroll and such. Using the scroll bars to scroll horizontally is a pain!
    2)I do like all the "guide" section for STO-especially the different seasons of dev blogs. I just wish I could read these blogs in the ARC browser instead of getting pulled into chrome.
    3)Automatic login is awesome, as is starting ARC on startup.
    4)Is it possible to connnect the ARC chat to the ingame mail system? That would have been really nice.

    I can't wait to see what ARC has in store in the future!
  • o0kami87o0kami87 Member Posts: 590 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    [...]
    You want them to stop this ARC nonsense? Simple.

    1) Cut the revenue stream to zero. Stop spending money on STO.

    2) Stop playing STO at all until somebody at pwe/cryptic wakes up and hears the sound of the cash stream drying up.


    [...]

    flaw in your logic hun, if everyone stopped playing PWE would see STO as wasted server space, therefore no more STO.
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  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dezstravus wrote: »
    Hey there,

    Gateway should continue to exist. The issue right now is more that it exists, but the user experience of finding it via Arcgames.com could be improved by having more links to it.

    So basically the people developing ARC know so little about STO and the people who play it that they weren't even aware of the existence of a web application for Cryptic games when their entire job is streamlining the web interface of all PWI games. Its time to call a spade a spade. ARC isn't even meant to help players of STO or any Cryptic game and is instead meant to introduce us to games developed by PWI to help their bottom line.

    Its time the people behind ARC start telling us the truth. ARC is supposed to have a virtually unnoticeable impact on system resources. The current beta uses 100Mb of ram and roughly 5% of my processors power. In a casual game where multitasking should be expected that's not unnoticeable. To launch the game through ARC I have to download nearly 10Mb before I get the option to engage where just using the Cryptic launcher was closer to 2Mb. I have a very low bandwidth DSL ISP so that's not nearly as small of an issue as it seems as its adds minutes to my time to launch STO. ARC promised features that would benefit us as players and I have yet to see anything that could not be accomplished by simply alt-tabing out of STO and using the internet browser of our choice. Thats a lot of negatives I have to deal with just so PWI can more easily advertise to me.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    o0kami87 wrote: »
    flaw in your logic hun, if everyone stopped playing PWE would see STO as wasted server space, therefore no more STO.
    Didn't occur to me. Still, the metrics and the revenue streams would take a hit worldwide, wouldn't they? Didn't pwe purchase cryptic as a way to broaden their market?

    Guess I'll have to go with Plan B. Learn how to play outside all over again. :D
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I don't like or dislike it really

    There is nothing that is a gamechanger for me, as someone who uses it as just a way to get to STO

    Just my two slips of latnium
    "I am a travelor of both time and space to be where I have been"
  • allyoftheforceallyoftheforce Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    NO, do not want or need for any reason at all.
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  • venkouvenkou Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I do not play one video game, so I can see advertising for another. When Cryptic merged 'Star Trek: Online's' website with Perfect World, I felt like the move cheapened the brand. Instead of feeling like I was playing a CBS product, I felt as though I was playing a piece of budget software.

    Now, we have the arrival of the Arch.

    I am glad I had Perfect World delete my pay account.
  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Wow, so much rage over a piece of software. So much wallbanging and table thumping and threatening to leave. If a piece of software is angering you that much, then go. Bye. It feels like that the rage-filled people here are just a minority and the people who keep saying that Arc sucks wants to be a majority and try to do so by continously posting and inducing scare tactics.
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If you think they are minority you haven't been reading.
    If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
    Oh Hell NO to ARC
  • generalmocogeneralmoco Member Posts: 1,634
    edited January 2014
    I have one question: what is going to happend with the demorecord tool if I decide to install ARC? Because I think (maybe I am wrong) that part of the tool is associated with the launcher.

    in a way yes... but you can use a different tool that lets you launch demorecord with out having to type the commands everytime you try to load up a diff recording...

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/stodemolauncher/

    so you will be able to launch STO with out running a "Launcher" itself.. this is handy if you are launching sto through ARC you will be able to launch the game with out having to open up the command thing.. it will load right away...

    as STO demo launcher lets you load up the democlient bypassing the launcher!! (:

    I recommend this tool if you do a lot of Demorecording...
  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Wow, so much rage over a piece of software. So much wallbanging and table thumping and threatening to leave. If a piece of software is angering you that much, then go. Bye. It feels like that the rage-filled people here are just a minority and the people who keep saying that Arc sucks wants to be a majority and try to do so by continously posting and inducing scare tactics.

    For the average useser its not that big of an issue and it likely wont cause problems for most of them. That said, there needlessly adding an extra layer of complexity to the process of launching a game and that will cause problems for some people on edge cases like those with systems that are barely strong enough to run STO or people who will inevitably have hardware and or software compatibility issues similar to those who could lot run the game at the start of Season 8.

    I agree that a lot of the rage is uncalled for but there are genuine issues sprinkled in all that rage that should not be ignored. It doesn't help that many of us also feel like we are being intentionally mislead by the official word on this software.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Many people might not like ARC, cause they are affraid of it, this I do not know why, but in this case, when it comes to me....


    I personally find ARC to be a very intresting asset and tool to have and use and the reasons for this is that, for example I have steam, which I use for all my non-Cryptic and Perfect World Games, but when it comes to ARC I'm more comftrable in having ARC be, my sorta, say "bookshelf" to all the games I play with them, which in my case inlude; STO, CO, NW, and BL:R.....


    This is my my thought, many of you might not like it..... I do not care.... nor mind ARC.....


    Keep up the great work you have done with ARC Beta, Perfect World, and be sure to give Cryptic Studios a Great "bonus" *cough**cough* for making Star Trek Online the best MMO, I've ever played!!!!!!




    #thumbsup

    Spoken like someone who works for PWE
    NO TO ARC
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  • generalmocogeneralmoco Member Posts: 1,634
    edited January 2014
    robeasom wrote: »
    Spoken like someone who works for PWE

    I wish I work for PWE... If I did I wouldn't be typing my own feedback...


    and on the other side... I don't feel like working.... just yet... till im out highschool... That should tell you something!!!
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ATTN: PWE: How about you idiots take all this money you're wasting shilling that stupid piece of ****tily programmed spyware and give it to your devs so they can do nifty things like make content and fix bugs?
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    robeasom wrote: »
    Spoken like someone who works for PWE

    He actually sounds more to me like someone who just hasn't taken the time to see how this can effect those of us that don't fit in the average user category who have also used the beta to confirm that some of us are negatively impacted by this software.

    Ill admit that its not severe yet but I can for-see see certain situations where current workarounds will no longer work such as forcing ARC to close after the game has launched to preserve system resources on low end systems where PWI was wrong about it not effecting performance.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Why are you ramming this worthless trash down our throats. I have been against this from the start and even though everyone says they leave as soon as they see the arc shineys a few will decide to stay. Me personally will go to Steam until we lose that and then i;m on to new games. STO has become less of a game that I want or need to play because of this which makes it all the easier to walk away.

    And If you don't understand english let me put it into my native Klingon.

    ghobe' Arc, wej chenmoH Arc mandatory
    NO TO ARC
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Wow, so much rage over a piece of software. So much wallbanging and table thumping and threatening to leave. If a piece of software is angering you that much, then go. Bye. It feels like that the rage-filled people here are just a minority and the people who keep saying that Arc sucks wants to be a majority and try to do so by continously posting and inducing scare tactics.

    Reasons 1 through 4 why you shouldn't use Arc.

    Reason #5.

    Reason #6.

    And the funny thing is, I don't have to leave to avoid using Arc. I run from Steam because I already had an account with them, and others can use the standalone installer in my sig, which I will reupload if PWE ever tries to remove it.
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I think this program is a measure to save them money, if it does have peer file sharing it will save them a bundle because customers will be shouldering most of the bandwidth load every time somebody downloads a game or a new patch is distributed. I don't think this program is spyware at all, I think it's a torrent program in a pretty wrapper.
    If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
    Oh Hell NO to ARC
  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Um, don't complain people

    We get free stuffs for trying it :)
    "I am a travelor of both time and space to be where I have been"
  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Is it possible to shut down this new Arc client once the game is launched, or will it insist on running in the background while the game is running?

    I installed the latest update and you cannot disable it while the game is running. I tried to shut it down from my sys tray and it said you "cannot while running or uninstalling a game."

    I also have not seen the setting where I can stop the spyware from reporting feedback as has been stated may times over in previous blogs. Where I might I find this and disable any reporting?

    I like the interface and I have a powerful pc so not worried about resources. What I don't like is spying on my machine and IT DOES SPY ON YOUR MACHINE. As I have tested this and found out that it reports everything (software) I have stored on my machine, its build, its resources, and running processes. NOT COOL!

    *edit: You can end task via task manager to shut it down without closing your game. Parts of it however wont disable. It uses approx 170+ megabytes of RAM to run compared to the game using about 991+ megabytes of RAM.
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  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Um, don't complain people

    We get free stuffs for trying it :)

    Nothing is ever free. Privacy is the price you pay.
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  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Reasons 1 through 4 why you shouldn't use Arc.

    Reason #5.

    Reason #6.

    And the funny thing is, I don't have to leave to avoid using Arc. I run from Steam because I already had an account with them, and others can use the standalone installer in my sig, which I will reupload if PWE ever tries to remove it.

    That will work until the day they integrate the actual launcher into ARC as promised. Then even steam will have to use some form of it. All we can do is procrastinate until the point we are forced to decide if we are willing to put up with ARC in some form.

    I do however appreciate that you are helping people put it off as long as possible. If I ever get around to building a new PC Ill be looking for one of your posts.
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  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    mikefl wrote: »
    I installed the latest update and you cannot disable it while the game is running. I tried to shut it down from my sys tray and it said you "cannot while running or uninstalling a game."

    I also have not seen the setting where I can stop the spyware from reporting feedback as has been stated may times over in previous blogs. Where I might I find this and disable any reporting?

    I like the interface and I have a powerful pc so not worried about resources. What I don't like is spying on my machine and IT DOES SPY ON YOUR MACHINE. As I have tested this and found out that it reports everything I have stored on my machine, its build, its resources, and running processes. NOT COOL!

    You actually can close it through the task manager.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • robdmcrobdmc Member Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    So I read the article and I have a question on game codes.
    Game Codes



    The existing code systems for each game will continue to exist through this beta, though we will also be testing our new, unified code system during the beta.

    Are you referring to the keys used for things like claiming the Collector's Edition of STO? If so will all unclaimed keys become invalid? If this a way to phase out or discontinue older products?
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Um, don't complain people

    We get free stuffs for trying it :)

    Reread the article. The free stuffs aren't available yet. Thus I have no incentive to switch, no need to switch, and six reasons not to switch, linked previously.
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited January 2014
    Hi Captains,

    I appreciate those of you who have had a chance to check out the STO website side of Arc at http://games.arcgames.com/en/prod/star-trek-online. This is currently planned to become the new website for startrekonline.com in the not-too-distant, so you feedback is crucial.

    Noel, Trevor and I are very interested in hearing concise and constructive feedback on the following sections of the site, as we have control over the content displayed there (but not the UI flow, see below regarding UI feedback as it's very important to us too!):


    *Please also feel free to look at these pages in fullscreen mode, as well as on mobile devices and tablets.



    Please let us know what you think about the displayed content (text, imagery, format, etc.). For example, it was pointed out that the Gateway was missing from the Guides section -- we'll be able to add this in soon as we control this displayed content.

    Feel free to also leave your feedback about the UI and/or UI flow and we'll be happy to pass it along. For example, it was pointed out that some would like to see improvements to the way news is displayed -- this is feedback we can pass along for consideration.

    Known issue:
    • There is no link to the Tribble character transfer page.
      • This will be added as a "guide" in the future.

    Thanks again, and we look forward to your feedback.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    My only relevant bit of feedback on the website is, gratz Cryptic on having the three most modest pieces of game art for the games advertised. Not that I would've minded seeing T'TRIBBLE again, but good on you for opting for the S8 promo art instead. All the other ones look like Evony ads from before they just gave up and started using ripped Dead or Alive characters to advertise with.
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