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[Spoilers Inside] The Enemy of the Voth
xiaoping88
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So, this contains spoilers regarding the story progression for the Dyson Reputation T5.
First of all, we don't get a true mission yet again - no, I don't consider flying across the allied zone a mission.
It's a cutscene, but a rather good one.
And what stands out for me is the question, which force had battled the Voth to the rim of their own home system?
All we see are green energy weapons. They look like disruptors, not like plasma based (in ingame terms), so it may not be Borg (my first guess).
Ideas?
Oh and... why isn't Nelen Exil telling me? I took him on my ship... he doesn't seem to be big on gratitude. :P
First of all, we don't get a true mission yet again - no, I don't consider flying across the allied zone a mission.
It's a cutscene, but a rather good one.
And what stands out for me is the question, which force had battled the Voth to the rim of their own home system?
All we see are green energy weapons. They look like disruptors, not like plasma based (in ingame terms), so it may not be Borg (my first guess).
Ideas?
Oh and... why isn't Nelen Exil telling me? I took him on my ship... he doesn't seem to be big on gratitude. :P
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Nope, Borg beams look different. Another hue of green.
@rylanadionysis: Mystery planet? There was Earth, Quo'Nos, Mol'Rihan, the Dominion planet with the gateway... Iconia... Quarra... did I miss anything?
Green seems to be the new color for the bad boys, hm?
Borg, Tal Shiar, Elachi, some Voth stuff... maybe our new enigmatic, Voth bashing foe...
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I don't like how the tech level of the Voth was presented so far.
They should have more advanced science and technology then that.
If some random Voyager species bashed them, I will be disappointed.
You guys do realize that Quarra is a canon world? It's the planet from "Workforce".
Just saying. Not implying you don't know it, but it sounds like it to me?
Oh, and if the Voth are at war with the Quarren... to hell with that.
From everything I would extrapolate from the episodes, a Voth City ship could wipe the floor with their entire civilization.
They have Federation level technology minus a well working replicator-based industry... the Voth on the other hand should be hyper-advanced in comparison.
Should...
Borg plasma beam (State of Q)
Plasma beam from cutscene (zoomed)
Funny, Borg plasma beams look different on my screen. I catch I screenshot if I can, so we may compare.
But don't get me wrong. I certainly would hope it IS the Borg.
The Borg are a force I can imagine driving the Voth close to extinction.
Just a speculation.
And my guess is the Vaadwaur.... back and on a rampage using *plot device* and *plot device* gained from *redacted*. We'll see.
As cool as the Vaadwaur are... they are few. I would't want them to be able to fight to Voth on that scale.
A 20 million year old Empire against the survivors from a beaten species...
I like the above explanation for the lack of Voth technological superiority in the Dyson Sphere, though. My personal head canon is, that the Sphere interferes with higher functions of Voth technology, but those two things can be combined.
But the questions remains who brought the Voth almost at their knees by now.
You know... that statement made no sense to me before now, with the collective in mind.
He said "we have enemies which try to add us to their ranks".
Well. I am sold. It's the Borg.
I would be inclined to think it's the Borg, but there still too many unknowns with the Borg yet explained. Cryptic is really chopping up storylines that it's bad storytelling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAmVk0TL1Q8#t=108
1:48
I rather have the impression that the Borg (along with the Tholians) are preparing for the arrival of the Iconians. There are hints. Both species are desperatly trying to get new technology (Iconian, Dewan, Undine), and both species became far more aggressive then they're used to be.
If the Borg are trying to assimilate the entire Voth civilization, I can very well see that happening in preparation for the Iconians. The Borg assimilated so many people that they must have a hint of what is coming.
Oh, and here is the exact quote from the T2 cutscene:
Nelen Exil: "The Voth are not warmongers. We have taught Doctrine to weaker species, but weapons are usually not required. When the Voth have encountered opposition, we have resisted attemps by others to add us to their own ranks. Fights between evenly matched adversaries tend to be futile. A Sphere might convince some that the odds have shifted in our favour.".
The Preserver were the first of their kind in the galaxy. A particular type of humanoid... in fact THE archtype. There were other types of life and civilizations, but none like them. SO they undertook a great project to create more... like themselves.
As the years rolled on and the Preservers declined, the life they created started making empires in the stars. Gradually two opposing points of view came into contact... one was regarded as mighty beyond measure... able to move entire stars at a whim. The other, regarded as foul demons of air and darkness.
They fought... and over the course of the war the Tkon empire lost it's heartworlds to a supernova. In retaliation, Iconia was bombarded to a cinder.
Today, many relics of this titanic battle can be found around the galaxy. Planet-Killers, gateways, rapidly adapting cybernetic lifeforms, angry/bitter lifeforms that do not trust solid-life, beings that chose to isolate themselves from the galaxy in a fluid-filled pocket.
The Federation And Friends are dealing with the fallout of this war... which is now about to flare up again. The Iconians have regrouped... and they want what they had previously. The Borg are preparing to fight them. The Founders know better than to get involved again, and 8472 just wants to stay out of the way.
Without the Tkon in the picture it seems as if the Iconians are going to marshal their forces and just roll over everyone. Including the Borg which were the first line of defense previously. All the other ancient players are either gone, or are not playing this time around for whatever reason. The Federation is really the only player on the field, and the Iconians realize that... hence one war-front after another. But yet somehow the Feds hang on.
Eventually the Iconians are going to stage a return... Right now, they still fear the Borg, even though they have perfected their computer-scrambling virus-spheres... once the Borg are weakened sufficiently... and the Federation is in pieces they will show themselves as the true masters of the galaxy.
That is unless the Federation causes them to play their hand earlier than anticipated.
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I wish STO would put some thought into the actual STORY rather than taking the approach they are now. I don't log on to spin slot-machines, I log in to play a game and hear a story. Very frustrating.
That sounds rather cool.
A thing to keep in mind is that the Iconians' big weapon was a computer virus that could terminate any machine.
My pet theory is that the Borg began as machines, not organics. Probably related to the machine life that upgraded V'ger.
And they began assimilating organic components in an attempt to borrow organics' immunity to the Iconian virus.
The faulty assumption with the Borg IMHO is that they began as organics that strapped on technology. I've seen that take in books and games. It's not very interesting and doesn't resonate for me. I see them as machines that began strapping on flesh. I think what they did with Data in First Contact is how they began (and it explains WHY they'd strap flesh on an android).
Flesh has advantages their machine life doesn't. So they're searching the galaxy for the right flesh to strap on or dissect/analyze to counter the Iconian virus so that they can become perfect (ie. resistant to the virus). They're running around treating flesh the way we might treat rare plants in the jungle.
Once they figure out how to adapt what makes flesh immune to the Iconian virus, they won't need flesh implants anymore.
Twenty years of the Borg and I've never thought of this simple, yet awesome idea. Mind blown...
Me neither. And it kinda makes more sense than other takes on their origins.
1. That dev post somewhere stated the Borg might have a return/larger role, IIRC.
2. Both Voth and Borg have transwarp tech and (I assume Voth) have control of a lot of territory, so it is inevitable they would encounter one another.
3. Cutscene weapons fire implies Borg; dialogue also. I mean, just screams Borg.
WHY THE VOTH? It was always the BORG that were seeking Omega because you know... Omega was their god... "perfection." thanks to a certain Voyager Episode...
The Borg make SO much more sense invading the frikkin sphere....
Cool concept. Plus if you go back to their first appearances in TNG, they did not assimilate organic life. Instead they raised young in tanks al la the Matrix and their main interest was alien technology.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Had the Borg stayed like they were presented in "Q Who" I'd agree (also since I prefer that version of them) however, the Borg Queen in First Contact mentions that they started out like most other species:
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