You did good, but a $20 ship should have died right? The only reason it took longer was the Gravity well destroyed my Heavy torpedoes while you were at -220 power. You had the right build at the right time.
Almost died, despite the fact that BortasQu only used Mk XII green weapons.
Anyway great potential. I appeared to let you almost win, knowing that my Hazard emitters III heals 28K HP over 15 seconds, and the repair drones heals 980 HP each drone, +58% all damage resist with no armor.
Sir, I respect you for trying.
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
The BortasQu is a very fine ship. I am obviously still grinding for the elite fleet weapons she deserves, but she already scores lots of kills in PvP every day.
I think this is a prime example here
Atlantra can say it's not good at PvP, that it's a fact, and so on. But at the end of the day, it's still just an opinion and/or suggestion. Which like all opinions/suggestions, we can consider them, but ultimately what's fact for one may not be fact for another.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Right now, the ship isn't bad.
With the afleet mine consoles and embassy consoles and the two upgrades to the pet and the new auras, it has uber power.
What would i do to improve it? I would have the BOP instantly have a Set Target on it so you could see what its health is.
At this point, anyone with any clue about duelling will pretty much stop reading what you wrote. Drain builds and Feedback Pulse builds are always superior in duel situations, that is neither a secret, nor especially weird.
Don't Worry about. I'm sure no Bortasqu (or jem bug) could survive the "best" (non-cheese) drain buld in STO. http://webgel.net/bf/Dat%20drain.jpg (not sure if the aceton console drains more than -15)
Also dude I found it very amazing how you used cannons and kept me in front. That's no easy task. You do have some skill, then again I had no anti tractor beam skills . Normally people will just stay behind a Bortasqu. It's hard to counter that. Turning a whale isn't easy. Seems you mastered the 'whale' pretty good LOL...
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
Guys, guys, guys.......let me try to put it plain and simple....In STO, being effective in PvP is no judgemental criteria of the quality of any ship. I'm sorry, but it's just the nature of this beast.
Do consider that I'm not one of the LOL@PvP guys, in fact I have been a firm supporter of improving the PvP in STO since forever. But the simple fact is that currently PvP in STO is so broken that all the glue in the US couldn't bring it back together, PWE would have to import glue from China in order to glue it back in place.
If we go by PvP standards in this game we can scrap 70 to 80% of the T5 ships currently availible and throw them in the junkyard.
So no, sorry but I personally am not going to accept that as any criteria in this game. That said, I have done some open zone PvP in Ker'rat with the Bortas and been succesfull on the majority of the ocassions, granted the possibility of the Feds being new and unexperienced and granted I have far better equipment than sophlogimo according to what he said in this thread.
I have reluctantly boycotted any PvP that is not in the open zones because of Cryptic's terrible handling of PvP and will continue to do so untill they decide that they actually want PvP in this game. Untill then, there are far better venues to get my PvP fix.
Guys, guys, guys.......let me try to put it plain and simple....In STO, being effective in PvP is no judgemental criteria of the quality of any ship. I'm sorry, but it's just the nature of this beast.
Do consider that I'm not one of the LOL@PvP guys, in fact I have been a firm supporter of improving the PvP in STO since forever. But the simple fact is that currently PvP in STO is so broken that all the glue in the US couldn't bring it back together, PWE would have to import glue from China in order to glue it back in place.
If we go by PvP standards in this game we can scrap 70 to 80% of the T5 ships currently availible and throw them in the junkyard.
So no, sorry but I personally am not going to accept that as any criteria in this game. That said, I have done some open zone PvP in Ker'rat with the Bortas and been succesfull on the majority of the ocassions, granted the possibility of the Feds being new and unexperienced and granted I have far better equipment than sophlogimo according to what he said in this thread.
I have reluctantly boycotted any PvP that is not in the open zones because of Cryptic's terrible handling of PvP and will continue to do so untill they decide that they actually want PvP in this game. Untill then, there are far better venues to get my PvP fix.
This. So much this! PvP is totally broken by lock box ships and consoles and fighter spam that getting a balanced session is about as rare as a Ferengi charity. Also I laugh out loud at anyone who considers Ker'rat today as PvP.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
This. So much this! PvP is totally broken by lock box ships and consoles and fighter spam that getting a balanced session is about as rare as a Ferengi charity. Also I laugh out loud at anyone who considers Ker'rat today as PvP.
Then you may have just offended altrantra, because from what she's said, she's mostly ONLY done Ker'rat for her PvP experience Well, if I got that impression correct, that is
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I have the Tac Bort and the 2 complaints I have are the absurdly deficient turn rate and the lack of a Tac Commander BOff station (silly me for thinking a TAC ship should have a TAC COMMANDER station).
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I have the Tac Bort and the 2 complaints I have are the absurdly deficient turn rate and the lack of a Tac Commander BOff station (silly me for thinking a TAC ship should have a TAC COMMANDER station).
There are very few ships with the word "cruiser" in the name in this game tha have a Commander Tac so I don't think that's a legitimae complaint.
The Bortasqu is more of a PVE oriented ship to begin with. It focuses on damage output and survivability against direct attacks, not against debuffs, drains and exotic damage.
If you take that drain ship into an ESTF, it would not be nearly as effective due to the fairly low damage output and the borg's rediculous drain resistance. The aceton would not work very well either, as the borg use torpedoes for most of their damage.
The Bortasqu would simply melt everything via damage output.
An interesting experiment would be to test out the science heavy bortasqu in PVP. It can have LTC + LT science and Commander engineering, allowing for FBP, HE and a level 3 ability + EPTAux3, EPTW, DEM and RSP. It would not be as drain heavy, but would have heavier weaponry and can take more hull damage, especially if engi team is used in an ensign slot.
The Bortasqu is one of the few ships with 5 tactical consoles and 8 weapons slots. It is similar to a Scimitar, except a little more engineering oriented with the commander station.
I wonder if the Bortasqu player tried using a Sci toon and hitting you with SNB, before unloading with FAW and APB.
I wonder why peoiple claim this mighty battlecruiser would be "underperforming". The only thing that might be mildly annoying is its turn rate, but with Dilithium Mine consoles and cruiser commands, that is a non-issue, and for PvE it hardly matters anyway.
Other than the turn rate, what we have here is an extremely durable, mighty battlecruiser with 5 tactical consoles (speaking of the tactical version, which is of course my preferred one). It is STO's true battleship.
And the set is not only cool, but even useful in PvP, much more so than the Oddyssey's or the Andorian Escort's.
Bad PR is, essentially, its only problem.
The ship is not that bad, I would agree. The problem is more the history.
When you look back to the time we got the oddy/bort. The feds got a top of the line cruiser. They did not have a good turn cruiser anyway, other than the excelsior. So mainly they got an upgrade to the ship class that most feds used. Even better, it was the new enterprise. It also was a damn good healer.
What did the klingons get? The bort was basically the opposite of kdf battle cruisers. People used to good turn rates and cannons got giant space whale. Also it was not that easy to buff turn back then.
So to actually use that thing you had to go beams, not the most iconic klingon weapon. If you got your free vor'cha with DHC's, why buy this ship? And power drain with 8 beams was a bigger concern back then. So why not take a carrier instead, if you want a big tanky ship?
While the station setup made a damn good healer, like the oddy, the right console slots to back that up were missing.
So a bit exaggerated: The fed got the ship of their dreams, a new cruiser, a new enterprise that was superior to what they had.
The klingons got a disappointment, a ship that did not fit their playstyle.
Now these days we are again at a point were beams rule and turn rate is far easier to buff. But the station setup is not really good for atb. And if you simply want a dmg cruiser you are probably better of with a Tor'Kaht.
The bort is not really a bad ship. It can do some serious dmg. But it is outclassed by others.
I was considering coming back into STO, I am downloading the client now. People asked how the bad name for this ship came about so I'll give my 2 cents. All this talk of turn rate sounds hopeful for my return!
The reason I left was PVP was very unbalanced for the bigger ships, (specifically this one) vs escorts, turn rate was hard to buff like you guys say. Now if that is fixed then escorts won't just be able to casually whittle you down to nothing while you limp around . I liked that escorts were the bane of the biggest ships just not how quickly they could kill me, I never felt like a tank at all in the largest of ships. I tried all kinds of builds from tanking builds using turrets, to straight up dps using cannon, or balanced beam builds. so I had a lot of hours in the ship.
PVE I always enjoyed myself but PVE for me only went so far, PVP was excellent in this game but rarely in this ship in the past. Now against a cruiser or in balanced fights with escorts/cruisers/carriers etc I LOVED this ship even when losing but back then a well played escort was king, as turn rate was hard to buff so most fights didn't involve many other kinds of ships.
BTW the pet was always a bit of a joke in pvp, better of using the slot for something else, if it's still the same as it was.
The reason I left was PVP was very unbalanced for the bigger ships, (specifically this one) vs escorts, turn rate was hard to buff like you guys say. Now if that is fixed then escorts won't just be able to casually whittle you down to nothing while you limp around .
Turn-rate is still the most important thing in combat, followed by inertia. Together they allow the faster ships to control the engagement, when to attack, when to retreat, etc., while heavy ships just have to wait to be attacked and hope the attacker doesnt run away. Insult to injury, the attack ships also have more firepower on target, which they can apply with more precision.
I'm just glad that benovide stopped preaching the bortas as being gods gift to players and being the best ship in the game.
LOL yeah. Very annoying. Nothing is the best about this ship. "The Bortasqu is not that bad, other ships are just that good." --Queen Scora--
Cryptic really needs to fix the ship, and the consoles.
Broken Cloak: I've seen someone 8km out.
Broken consoles: Freezing command tray for Pre-teleporting and Pre-auto cannon sequence.
Teleporting someone in pvp combat has a 90% fail rate. Too much counters teleport. Engine offline mode is too short after teleport. Auto cannon misses a lot, I rather have a Disruptor lance. BOP pet console is LOL, just give us 1 hanger. My god why don't they improve this ship? Allow Teleport to be instant. Why must it give players 6 seconds to counter it? It's like they want this ship to suck in PVP.
The free Negh'var battle cruiser is more fun. Turn better & moves faster. May get the fleet version of that and stop whining about the Bortasqu. Clearly it was designed to be horrid PVP, yet it's for a pvp faction. That's the joke I guess, and you stole my money doing it. You clever dogs.
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
The Bortas'qu does uniquely well as a FAW boat thanks to its unusual number of tac consoles and / or sensor analysis. I expect this advantage (over other cruisers) will jump by an order of magnitude as the Spire tac consoles come into play - 5 x vulnerability locator consoles on a sustained FAW boat...? Gotta be worth a try...
I would actually prefer to have the BortasQu' stats on My Oddy.
More Crew
More Hull
Worse Turn Rate by only .5
Sure the shield Mod is worse but only by .15
Same Impulse Mod.
Better Inertia.
Your Consoles are also Better. Sure you have the BoP and we have the Aquarius. But id reather have the snare or auto cannon than the work bees (they are so much junk).
I would gladly trade the stats of any variant of our Oddy for putting your Command Variant [minus its sensor analysis] into our Tactical variant.
The Bort looks like a fine ship on paper.
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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I just got the Bortasqu pack 4 days ago and I love that ship. I'm currently using the science version because I don't want to buy a 5th tac console. I'm sure before LoR, Fleet engineering consoles, and cruiser commands the Bortasqu would have been hard to fly, but I'm doing fine using it as a DHC boat. I even protected the Kang in CSE and helped with Cubes 2 and 3 by killing nanites and both Negh'vars. The auto cannon is freaking awesome and the BoP can actually be useful with it's APB. The BoP even uses plasmonic leech if I have the console equipped lol.
I can understand why some people don't like her, but she's still a really powerful ship even today.
I would actually prefer to have the BortasQu' stats on My Oddy.
More Crew
More Hull
Worse Turn Rate by only .5
Sure the shield Mod is worse but only by .15
Same Impulse Mod.
Better Inertia.
That seems simplistic: More Crew and Hull is pretty much bought off with the shield modifiers, so I think both ships are even.
Lower Inertia is however worse not better, so that point goes to the Ody. Same with the turn rate (.5 or not, it's noticeable). This has gotten less severe with the turn rate bonus revamp, admittedly.
The Odyssey's advanced slipstream and the Bortasqu's gimped cloak are about equally bad, but I'll give the edge to the Bortasqu here, since transwarp has become so commonplace nowadays as to make slipstreaming nearly pointless.
The ability to equip dual cannons is pretty hilarious on such a slow cruiser, but some people swear on it. I think it's pointless.
The difference in power bonuses and consoles I'll give to the Bortasqu - the Odyssey is supposedly a tank, but STO does not reward tanking at all, the Bortasqu otoh is surprisingly squishy for a battlecruiser but at least it has a noticeable damage output.
Thank god we don't have to compare these to the Scimitar at least, as both ships are really underpowered compared to it.
Your Consoles are also Better. Sure you have the BoP and we have the Aquarius. But id reather have the snare or auto cannon than the work bees (they are so much junk).
You are missing the third console - the Odyssey also has the Saucer Seperation, which (thanks to increasing the turn rate by 9 points) is so much better than any console the Bortasqu has it's not fun anymore.
I would gladly trade the stats of any variant of our Oddy for putting your Command Variant [minus its sensor analysis] into our Tactical variant.
Sensor Analysis is the best thing about the Command Variant (and that which made me choose it over the tactical one). Why would you want to miss it?
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Anyway great potential. I appeared to let you almost win, knowing that my Hazard emitters III heals 28K HP over 15 seconds, and the repair drones heals 980 HP each drone, +58% all damage resist with no armor.
Sir, I respect you for trying.
Atlantra can say it's not good at PvP, that it's a fact, and so on. But at the end of the day, it's still just an opinion and/or suggestion. Which like all opinions/suggestions, we can consider them, but ultimately what's fact for one may not be fact for another.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
With the afleet mine consoles and embassy consoles and the two upgrades to the pet and the new auras, it has uber power.
What would i do to improve it? I would have the BOP instantly have a Set Target on it so you could see what its health is.
Don't Worry about. I'm sure no Bortasqu (or jem bug) could survive the "best" (non-cheese) drain buld in STO.
http://webgel.net/bf/Dat%20drain.jpg (not sure if the aceton console drains more than -15)
Also dude I found it very amazing how you used cannons and kept me in front. That's no easy task. You do have some skill, then again I had no anti tractor beam skills
Do consider that I'm not one of the LOL@PvP guys, in fact I have been a firm supporter of improving the PvP in STO since forever. But the simple fact is that currently PvP in STO is so broken that all the glue in the US couldn't bring it back together, PWE would have to import glue from China in order to glue it back in place.
If we go by PvP standards in this game we can scrap 70 to 80% of the T5 ships currently availible and throw them in the junkyard.
So no, sorry but I personally am not going to accept that as any criteria in this game. That said, I have done some open zone PvP in Ker'rat with the Bortas and been succesfull on the majority of the ocassions, granted the possibility of the Feds being new and unexperienced and granted I have far better equipment than sophlogimo according to what he said in this thread.
I have reluctantly boycotted any PvP that is not in the open zones because of Cryptic's terrible handling of PvP and will continue to do so untill they decide that they actually want PvP in this game. Untill then, there are far better venues to get my PvP fix.
This. So much this! PvP is totally broken by lock box ships and consoles and fighter spam that getting a balanced session is about as rare as a Ferengi charity. Also I laugh out loud at anyone who considers Ker'rat today as PvP.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
There are very few ships with the word "cruiser" in the name in this game tha have a Commander Tac so I don't think that's a legitimae complaint.
If you take that drain ship into an ESTF, it would not be nearly as effective due to the fairly low damage output and the borg's rediculous drain resistance. The aceton would not work very well either, as the borg use torpedoes for most of their damage.
The Bortasqu would simply melt everything via damage output.
An interesting experiment would be to test out the science heavy bortasqu in PVP. It can have LTC + LT science and Commander engineering, allowing for FBP, HE and a level 3 ability + EPTAux3, EPTW, DEM and RSP. It would not be as drain heavy, but would have heavier weaponry and can take more hull damage, especially if engi team is used in an ensign slot.
The Bortasqu is one of the few ships with 5 tactical consoles and 8 weapons slots. It is similar to a Scimitar, except a little more engineering oriented with the commander station.
I wonder if the Bortasqu player tried using a Sci toon and hitting you with SNB, before unloading with FAW and APB.
Those that fly the best ships, and those that fly the ships they like best.
Neither is the wrong way or right way to go, it all depends on play style and ultimately what you want from the ship.
Such arguing is pointless.
Its shield and hull points are inferior to Fleet Battlecruisers like the Tor'kaht and Negh'var... it is quite squishy compared to either of these.
If the hull and shields were buffed to be on par with Fleet ships I'd fly it again... but, like many C-store only ships, it is sub-par.
The ship is not that bad, I would agree. The problem is more the history.
When you look back to the time we got the oddy/bort. The feds got a top of the line cruiser. They did not have a good turn cruiser anyway, other than the excelsior. So mainly they got an upgrade to the ship class that most feds used. Even better, it was the new enterprise. It also was a damn good healer.
What did the klingons get? The bort was basically the opposite of kdf battle cruisers. People used to good turn rates and cannons got giant space whale. Also it was not that easy to buff turn back then.
So to actually use that thing you had to go beams, not the most iconic klingon weapon. If you got your free vor'cha with DHC's, why buy this ship? And power drain with 8 beams was a bigger concern back then. So why not take a carrier instead, if you want a big tanky ship?
While the station setup made a damn good healer, like the oddy, the right console slots to back that up were missing.
So a bit exaggerated: The fed got the ship of their dreams, a new cruiser, a new enterprise that was superior to what they had.
The klingons got a disappointment, a ship that did not fit their playstyle.
Now these days we are again at a point were beams rule and turn rate is far easier to buff. But the station setup is not really good for atb. And if you simply want a dmg cruiser you are probably better of with a Tor'Kaht.
The bort is not really a bad ship. It can do some serious dmg. But it is outclassed by others.
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The reason I left was PVP was very unbalanced for the bigger ships, (specifically this one) vs escorts, turn rate was hard to buff like you guys say. Now if that is fixed then escorts won't just be able to casually whittle you down to nothing while you limp around
PVE I always enjoyed myself
BTW the pet was always a bit of a joke in pvp, better of using the slot for something else, if it's still the same as it was.
LOL yeah. Very annoying. Nothing is the best about this ship. "The Bortasqu is not that bad, other ships are just that good." --Queen Scora--
Cryptic really needs to fix the ship, and the consoles.
Broken Cloak: I've seen someone 8km out.
Broken consoles: Freezing command tray for Pre-teleporting and Pre-auto cannon sequence.
Teleporting someone in pvp combat has a 90% fail rate. Too much counters teleport. Engine offline mode is too short after teleport. Auto cannon misses a lot, I rather have a Disruptor lance. BOP pet console is LOL, just give us 1 hanger. My god why don't they improve this ship? Allow Teleport to be instant. Why must it give players 6 seconds to counter it? It's like they want this ship to suck in PVP.
The free Negh'var battle cruiser is more fun. Turn better & moves faster. May get the fleet version of that and stop whining about the Bortasqu. Clearly it was designed to be horrid PVP, yet it's for a pvp faction. That's the joke I guess, and you stole my money doing it. You clever dogs.
More Crew
More Hull
Worse Turn Rate by only .5
Sure the shield Mod is worse but only by .15
Same Impulse Mod.
Better Inertia.
Your Consoles are also Better. Sure you have the BoP and we have the Aquarius. But id reather have the snare or auto cannon than the work bees (they are so much junk).
I would gladly trade the stats of any variant of our Oddy for putting your Command Variant [minus its sensor analysis] into our Tactical variant.
The Bort looks like a fine ship on paper.
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I can understand why some people don't like her, but she's still a really powerful ship even today.
Lower Inertia is however worse not better, so that point goes to the Ody. Same with the turn rate (.5 or not, it's noticeable). This has gotten less severe with the turn rate bonus revamp, admittedly.
The Odyssey's advanced slipstream and the Bortasqu's gimped cloak are about equally bad, but I'll give the edge to the Bortasqu here, since transwarp has become so commonplace nowadays as to make slipstreaming nearly pointless.
The ability to equip dual cannons is pretty hilarious on such a slow cruiser, but some people swear on it. I think it's pointless.
The difference in power bonuses and consoles I'll give to the Bortasqu - the Odyssey is supposedly a tank, but STO does not reward tanking at all, the Bortasqu otoh is surprisingly squishy for a battlecruiser but at least it has a noticeable damage output.
Thank god we don't have to compare these to the Scimitar at least, as both ships are really underpowered compared to it.
You are missing the third console - the Odyssey also has the Saucer Seperation, which (thanks to increasing the turn rate by 9 points) is so much better than any console the Bortasqu has it's not fun anymore.
Sensor Analysis is the best thing about the Command Variant (and that which made me choose it over the tactical one). Why would you want to miss it?