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The BortasQu' is a fine ship. No, seriously.
sophlogimo
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I wonder why peoiple claim this mighty battlecruiser would be "underperforming". The only thing that might be mildly annoying is its turn rate, but with Dilithium Mine consoles and cruiser commands, that is a non-issue, and for PvE it hardly matters anyway.
Other than the turn rate, what we have here is an extremely durable, mighty battlecruiser with 5 tactical consoles (speaking of the tactical version, which is of course my preferred one). It is STO's true battleship.
And the set is not only cool, but even useful in PvP, much more so than the Oddyssey's or the Andorian Escort's.
Bad PR is, essentially, its only problem.
Other than the turn rate, what we have here is an extremely durable, mighty battlecruiser with 5 tactical consoles (speaking of the tactical version, which is of course my preferred one). It is STO's true battleship.
And the set is not only cool, but even useful in PvP, much more so than the Oddyssey's or the Andorian Escort's.
Bad PR is, essentially, its only problem.
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The playstyle is just too fun XD
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yea clearly this is an under powered ship.
Next sale I'm getting at least the tac version if not the 3 pack. :cool:
As for PVP... LOL. You're just a big target. Everything allows a target immune to teleporting. Attack pattern omega, Polarize hull, Scattering field. You mess up and teleport an immune target-- you'll have to wait a full 5 minutes to try again. It's better to just use the jump console that teleports you.
About the BOP pet, again LOL. It doesn't follow me most of time. It just stays 20km away from me. Lastly the Disruptor auto cannon, cool weapon, but I think should fire 24 shots instead of 12. Cryptic can lower the damage per second of those 24 shots to match the DPS of 12 shots. Shooting more makes it cooler.
To be clearly honest I only purchased the Bortasqu pack only because it appears to be a famous 'Battle Cruiser' I used in another game. Big fan of that ship so I'm happy with it. "Battle Cruiser Operational."
Look how long it took, and how much stuff needed to be done so it no longer feels like a waste of money. Glad ONE person finally likes it. Semi-decent is right. It's getting there... Still not using in PVP, and I'm very good at PVP.
I liked it from the start, as I'm sure several others did :P It wasn't a waste of money then, it sure isn't now.
I like cruiser-style ships just as much as I do escort-styles, probably even better
The rest is just opinion, including your 'semi-decent' and 'getting there' comment.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Quoted for truth, and if you don't have access to fleet only items or expensive lock box consoles too bad for you. The ship was poorly thought out with a lousy boff layout, and mediocre consoles.. so for my money it's not even in the same league as the Scimitars which get a high end hanger pet to start with, high turn rate, and let's not forget the super cloaking abilities with the uber consoles for the cherry on top.
The Bortasqu's cloak itself is broken and weak plus it's not even a battle cloak, so for me it's a useless one shot item at the start of a match, that is if you don't get exposed at the outset. Once combat engages you can't cloak again and forget about this slow barge getting enough breathing room to turn it back on, so yea IMO it stinks.
If you have all the magic consoles you can compensate and make it an ok PvE ship. I wouldn't waste my time in PvP unless you like to be a big target for others to pound on. Cryptic would have to make some major improvements in this 3 pack for me to ever recommend it.
You can go 'zombie' tank with it real good, as for killing in PVP. LOL. You may need Spiral Wave Disruptors to even appear as a threat. Most Klingons are heavy PVP players. Creating a PVE three pack ship is funny. So yes it appears to suck instantly to most Klingon players. Now you know why. At least make the consoles awesome, nope. :rolleyes:
It's too bad the user interface power tray freezes up when charging up the Auto Cannon. So many problems...
That may not be the case, but that's just the vibe I'm getting from you
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
It also continues to be totally outclassed by the Scimitar even after the recent upgrades, and it is kind of pointless to spend money on a ship that is the designated loser in any capital class battle. The thing I would really like to see would be to give it and the Odyssey a single hangar and let them use the special pet as a unique hangar item. That would get them closer to par with other super-heavy ships.
-Very low turn rate and horrible inertia.
-Squishier than other fleet battlecruisers (a little more hull is not worth 10% shields) minus the very frail k'tinga.
-At best it can mimic existing boff layouts (tor'kaht or negh) but still cannot compete with FAHCR/avenger/galor layouts (no KDF ship can).
-It's too big.
-Tact version only have a total of +15 power (sci one is much better imo).
The ship would be ok in pvp if it didnt have terrible stats but right now there is no reason to pick it over other fleet battlecruisers.
Been in Ker'rat system for a very long time. I never saw a Bortasqu really kicking butt left and right, or taking on 2 feds & winning. In real 5v5 Fed versus Klingon match I have never seen a Bortasqu. If you like PVE buy the 3 pack. If you plan on serious PVP fighting, stay away from this ship.
It's too bad the user interface power tray freezes up when charging up the Subspace snare. Oh, and I'm not lying about any of this. Anyone like consoles that disable the user for 5 seconds?
Anyway, aren't there many different PvP queues in addition to Ker'rat? Does the PVP community agree with you, or do they have a different view?
So far I've only heard your view of the situation. It's valid of course, but having the whole pictures could help a lot (and I mean this for your benefit; I have no interest in doing PVP, period)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And I'm saying it's not just a fine ship, it's the best ship in STO to me!
I am also being serious. While I do dabble with a lot of awesome KDF ships between my chars. bought to support the Klingon faction, the only way you'll ever see my main out of this ship is if Cryptic shuts down the game or a bus hits me while crossing the street.
And before anyone else says "Sure, now you like it!", it's been my go to ship since her release date in the C-Store. You can check my posts on the forum from the date I joined my account to PWE and you can see me repeatedly stating this about the Bortasqu'. I'm not going to go into details again cause you can compile a novel based on my previous posts regarding why the Bortasqu' doesn't suck and I find it boring atm to do that again here.
The thing with this ship is - it has a very steep and weird learning curve and takes a lot getting used to, especially if you're in the basic KDF mindset of very fast, very nimble and at the same time powerfull attack ships. This is a ture battleship. For people like me that like big, slow and boosted cruisers it's the best thing.
OP, congratulations. You're a part of the obviously very unusual group of players that have truly mastered and enjoy the command of the KDF's flagship. Qapla'!
P.S. I'm going to leave you with a description of the Bortasqu' posted by one other fellow player and Bortas enthusiast - sander223:
"The Bortas is the Tyrannosaurus Rex of battlecruisers!"
I spent $50 on a ship I don't even use anymore. I'm okay with that. I supported STO by doing so. Wont happen again anytime soon. For those who do like it, yay, but there's way more people who dislike it. That makes it a failure to any company trying to earn a lot of money. Obviously. 50% of 100% is still an "F". It's like buying a $50 game that scored a 5 out of 10. You won't feel too joyful about that. Paying $50 for something that's average.
I used it over 200 times. Try activating buffs while target is preparing to teleport. You can't use bridge officer powers until current target is teleported. Same with the auto cannon charge up sequence. I'm sure you never noticed because you fight nothing but NPC's. No need to hit buffs constantly there. No pressure at all.
I actually pay attention very closely, so I know exactly what I'm talking about.
It's not easy to fly. It needs time to learn how it use it.
I had to learn way before all these fancy fleet consoles started helping with it's turn. But I quickly saw just how much damage it could pump out, which was a LOT. It had 5 tac consoles months before fleet ships came out, so that was something the KDF had which was unique, and also eventually lost.
Even in PvP, if the pilot is good enough, it can be surprising enough to get kills with, because people underestimate the ship.
R.I.P
Yes PVP 'Human' targets. Something you clearly know nothing about. Obviously. I do fine in Monbosh Battleship, or other battle cruisers. So yeah, it's not me. If any Bortasqu comes near me in PVP, it will lose. No matter the payer. They will be facing -220 power drain in all sub-systems with no way to counter. 5 Tac consoles don't mean a thing with zero weapon power. Aye, now you learned something. Again, I know what I'm doing, and I don't spend all day fighting mindless NPC's. Only other players.
You won't last 20 seconds versus me. :cool:
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.