Decent ship but I think i'll wait awhile to see all the "I want a refund!!" and "I want my lawyer" threads that pop up if the ship's stats get reduced a little.
except every cruiser(klingon made) the klingons have is a "battlecruiser", this is the federation we're talking about here, you would expect the feds getting serious enough to build a battlecruiser, it might be something a little bit... bigger.
the bortas is a battlecruiser and its huge for instance.
not to mention that both the k'tinga and excelsior are older models.
A battlecruiser is not the same as a battleship or dreadnought. And for the federation, we have a case of a purely military ship being compared to mixed-role ships. If the federation fleet were made of combat ships, you might expect a battlecruiser to be bigger. And indeed, it is bigger than the other military-only ships, the escorts. Cruisers, however, are exploration ships, and taking a cruiser built for science and civilian habitation and turning it into a purely military ship logically means reducing the size as components unnecessary for warfare are cut out, creating a cruiser of battle.
The blockiness and compact design are very much an appropriate aesthetic choice for a ship built to be armored and to take hits. You may not like how it looks, but the truth is cryptic did a fantastic job of marrying the federation aesthetic with the necessary concessions that must be made in real life when it comes to sacrificing looks for functionality.
The Odyssey is huge and it isn't a Battlecruiser. The Defiant isn't huge and it packs more firepower then most Battlecruisers. Size doesn't need to be the only thing which denotes power.
And since the K't'inga and Excelsior are both in this game at T5.5 it doesn't really matter how old the model is.
yeah, but the defiant was supposed to supposed to be an pure attack-ship, it also served to fit a niche that starfleet never had, a small powerful ship, like the klingon BoP.
but this a cruiser we're talking about here, a 2409 cruiser, so it should be bigger imo.
and lets be honest, only reason the k'tinga and the excelsior are still around, is because they're iconic ships(also i think one of the devs loves the excelsior or something).
edit: eh, whatever, i still thinks it looks like a vesta/regent/imperial lovechild built with lego.
A battlecruiser is not the same as a battleship or dreadnought. And for the federation, we have a case of a purely military ship being compared to mixed-role ships. If the federation fleet were made of combat ships, you might expect a battlecruiser to be bigger. And indeed, it is bigger than the other military-only ships, the escorts. Cruisers, however, are exploration ships, and taking a cruiser built for science and civilian habitation and turning it into a purely military ship logically means reducing the size as components unnecessary for warfare are cut out, creating a cruiser of battle.
The blockiness and compact design are very much an appropriate aesthetic choice for a ship built to be armored and to take hits. You may not like how it looks, but the truth is cryptic did a fantastic job of marrying the federation aesthetic with the necessary concessions that must be made in real life when it comes to sacrificing looks for functionality.
This, exactly, thank you.
Also, thecosmic1 pointed out the fact that Starfleet combat-specific ships are kinda on the smaller scale of things, too.
OK, finally got mine and got it sorted. I love it. I wish it was a bit faster, but it's not too shabby. The guy who designed the layout should get a raise and a promotion. The guy who designed the exterior? Well, let's just say, I think it looks like a Vesta/Intrepid love child made out of Lego.
It is a glorious looking ship if you're a fan of the military hardware aesthetic.
Also, if no one noticed, it changes what it looks like when you go into combat. IE, it covers its nacelles and does other things I haven't been able to get a complete look at yet.
Performance wise its fantastic. I've been working with this ship all day, and I've found that it has a lot of flexibility that allows it to perform moderately well on both sides of what it combines. IE, with the right build it can be more than adequate as a typical escort and you can do the same thing on the cruiser side of things.
The real key to getting the most out of the Avenger is playing to that hybrid aspect of it to its complete end.
For my Tactical captain I've been able to successfully combine a variation of the typical Aux2Bat build with a cannon spike build, with some drain build flare added on to support both sides of the ship. With it I can maintain power levels at a constant 110+, dish out a lot of damage when my spike is ready (DEM3 is crucial for it, and really for anyone who wants this ship to do any serious kind of damage) while keeping up decent pressure otherwise (with the power levels, my skill spec, and fleet RCS I can stay on target extremely well), and all the while still being able to outlast anything short of nonsense or focus fire from an entire team.
All the while this is without having even gotten any reputation done whatsoever, which alone shows how great the ship can be. I wouldn't say its overpowered (because it isn't, at least, it won't be once everyone else gets command powers) though I can see why people might say that every now and then. But this ship and the Scimitar seem to be the beginnings of Tier 6, so to say they're overpowered and should be nerfed is just silly because then it defeats the point of introducing a new tier of ships.
One last thing I'd like to say, is that the fleet version needs to be t5. Or the fleet regent t4, I guess. Either way, Fleet Regent and Fleet Avenger need to be the same tier, and frankly the game and this very universe in which the game exists is wrong until this is fixed. WRONG I SAY
What's the stats on the Shield Modulation Frequency comm channel?
OK, here's the requested Command stats:
-Command Shield Frequency Modulation-
+10% damage reduction to shields for yourself and nearby allies
+10% shield regeneration to yourself and nearby allies
-Command - Weapon Systems Efficiency-
PBAOE Weapon power cost reduction
Affects Friend and Self (20 max)
-25% energy power cost
-Command - Strategic Maneuvering-
+10% flight speed for yourself. Nearby allies gain flight speed, but this diminishes the further away they are from your ship.
+3 turn rate for yourself. Nearby allies gain turn rate, but this diminishes the further away they are from your ship.
It is a glorious looking ship if you're a fan of the military hardware aesthetic.
Also, if no one noticed, it changes what it looks like when you go into combat. IE, it covers its nacelles and does other things I haven't been able to get a complete look at yet.
Performance wise its fantastic. I've been working with this ship all day, and I've found that it has a lot of flexibility that allows it to perform moderately well on both sides of what it combines. IE, with the right build it can be more than adequate as a typical escort and you can do the same thing on the cruiser side of things.
The real key to getting the most out of the Avenger is playing to that hybrid aspect of it to its complete end.
For my Tactical captain I've been able to successfully combine a variation of the typical Aux2Bat build with a cannon spike build, with some drain build flare added on to support both sides of the ship. With it I can maintain power levels at a constant 110+, dish out a lot of damage when my spike is ready (DEM3 is crucial for it, and really for anyone who wants this ship to do any serious kind of damage) while keeping up decent pressure otherwise (with the power levels, my skill spec, and fleet RCS I can stay on target extremely well), and all the while still being able to outlast anything short of nonsense or focus fire from an entire team.
All the while this is without having even gotten any reputation done whatsoever, which alone shows how great the ship can be. I wouldn't say its overpowered (because it isn't, at least, it won't be once everyone else gets command powers) though I can see why people might say that every now and then. But this ship and the Scimitar seem to be the beginnings of Tier 6, so to say they're overpowered and should be nerfed is just silly because then it defeats the point of introducing a new tier of ships.
The windows get covered with armor when she goes into red alert - very cool!!
I think part of the deflector gets armored as well - you can see and hear the armour sliding on and off - very nice fit and finish on this ship - the detail is the best of any ship in the game - bar none!!
I run her with 2 fleet neutrionum armors and get her up to a nice 22 turn rate base before boosts.
I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
I have a love/hate feel for the Avenger. Its behaves and flys like an escort with a large haul amount. The tactical/eng officer slots are still mismatched. While it is a joy to fly, I feel like its a glass cannon over my Oddy.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
One last thing I'd like to say, is that the fleet version needs to be t5. Or the fleet regent t4, I guess. Either way, Fleet Regent and Fleet Avenger need to be the same tier, and frankly the game and this very universe in which the game exists is wrong until this is fixed. WRONG I SAY
lol, why? it will give people who don't want to pay millions to get into a t5 fleet an alternative aside from the excelsior.
lol, why? it will give people who don't want to pay millions to get into a t5 fleet an alternative aside from the excelsior.
Because it is newer AND better. Being on the same tier is the very LEAST that should happen. If they are to be on different tiers, it's the Avenger that should be higher.
Because it is newer AND better. Being on the same tier is the very LEAST that should happen. If they are to be on different tiers, it's the Avenger that should be higher.
why? the regent is still an excellent ship, its not like the avenger made the regent obsolete.
I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
The windows get covered with armor when she goes into red alert - very cool!!
I think part of the deflector gets armored as well - you can see and hear the armour sliding on and off - very nice fit and finish on this ship - the detail is the best of any ship in the game - bar none!!
I run her with 2 fleet neutrionum armors and get her up to a nice 22 turn rate base before boosts.
-Command Shield Frequency Modulation-
+10% damage reduction to shields for yourself and nearby allies
+10% shield regeneration to yourself and nearby allies
-Command - Weapon Systems Efficiency-
PBAOE Weapon power cost reduction
Affects Friend and Self (20 max)
-25% energy power cost
-Command - Strategic Maneuvering-
+10% flight speed for yourself. Nearby allies gain flight speed, but this diminishes the further away they are from your ship.
+3 turn rate for yourself. Nearby allies gain turn rate, but this diminishes the further away they are from your ship.
Awesome, thank you. Can't wait to see that stats of attract fire, when cruiser commands go public for FDCs.
It's butt ugly. What the hell is wrong with saying that?.
Nothing, as long as you remember that saying something is "ugly" is a negative reference, and in the final analysis just an opinion. I think it's a very attractive ship, especially with the Avenger skin. See how that works?
The ship? I'm highly pleased with my purchase, and I bought both.
Excelsior,Ambassador,Regent and Odyssey are not junk before this new ship arrived. Now they are going to be considered junk compared to the Avenger. Avenger is just to dam good.
it may be better but i cant fly a ship that ugly.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Having played a Klingon character in the past, I'm very familiar with the Empire's battlecruisers, thank you. And the fact remains that the concept is a very good one. One the Federation has been without for far too long. That was my main point.
And considering the level of scientific and engineering expertise, and R&D infrastructure possessed by the Federation, it's a given that it will be superior in technology and capabilities.
BUT, the average Federation-only player will have some learning to do. The Avenger isn't meant to be played like an escort or typical cruiser. It's meant to be (mostly) played in a way that KDF players are pros and have the most experience at.
Yeah, the Federation has been without it. So what? The KDF lacks true science ships (the only one we really have is the Varanus, and it's 2nd rate compared to Federation science ships), and our escort ship line is weaker than the Federation's. Our BoPs are no longer fully competitive. Our only remaining edge was the battlecruiser line, and now that's being watered down further. Nothing is being done to fix these discrepancies. Our promised C-Store ship, whatever the hell it is, was delayed for no good reason. Then, suddenly, the Federation gets a battlecruiser that's better than some of what the KDF have. It's not a 2nd rate battlecruiser.
Oh, and you can take the 'scientific and engineering expertise' and stuff it. KDF has plenty of engineers and scientists, and is fully capable of developing new ships and new technologies. It simply takes a different approach to it in canon, preferring to make do with older ship designs upgraded with new tech even more so than the Federation.
Wow, so let me get this straight. The Gorn, who where more advanced than StarFleet in kirks day, the Orions, the Nausicans, the Leatheans, the Trill and even the Romulans now have nothing to offer the KDF in the way of technological advances? Thats just plain fed arrogance to think only your orginization holds the cutting edge of technology.
Someone please explain what's wrong with the Fleet Varanus? It should have .1 more shields that's about it, it has good hull compared to most Fed Sci ships, its turn rate isn't bad compared to many fed sci ships about mid range, it can do just about what ever a regular fed sci ship can do, sense anaylsis, subsystem targeting, plenty of sci powers with a LtCmr Sci and a Cmr Sci. Plus you can put the non Fleet verisons console on it.
I just don't understand why people beat up on the Varanus.
Comments
A battlecruiser is not the same as a battleship or dreadnought. And for the federation, we have a case of a purely military ship being compared to mixed-role ships. If the federation fleet were made of combat ships, you might expect a battlecruiser to be bigger. And indeed, it is bigger than the other military-only ships, the escorts. Cruisers, however, are exploration ships, and taking a cruiser built for science and civilian habitation and turning it into a purely military ship logically means reducing the size as components unnecessary for warfare are cut out, creating a cruiser of battle.
The blockiness and compact design are very much an appropriate aesthetic choice for a ship built to be armored and to take hits. You may not like how it looks, but the truth is cryptic did a fantastic job of marrying the federation aesthetic with the necessary concessions that must be made in real life when it comes to sacrificing looks for functionality.
yeah, but the defiant was supposed to supposed to be an pure attack-ship, it also served to fit a niche that starfleet never had, a small powerful ship, like the klingon BoP.
but this a cruiser we're talking about here, a 2409 cruiser, so it should be bigger imo.
and lets be honest, only reason the k'tinga and the excelsior are still around, is because they're iconic ships(also i think one of the devs loves the excelsior or something).
edit: eh, whatever, i still thinks it looks like a vesta/regent/imperial lovechild built with lego.
This, exactly, thank you.
Also, thecosmic1 pointed out the fact that Starfleet combat-specific ships are kinda on the smaller scale of things, too.
Also, if no one noticed, it changes what it looks like when you go into combat. IE, it covers its nacelles and does other things I haven't been able to get a complete look at yet.
Performance wise its fantastic. I've been working with this ship all day, and I've found that it has a lot of flexibility that allows it to perform moderately well on both sides of what it combines. IE, with the right build it can be more than adequate as a typical escort and you can do the same thing on the cruiser side of things.
The real key to getting the most out of the Avenger is playing to that hybrid aspect of it to its complete end.
For my Tactical captain I've been able to successfully combine a variation of the typical Aux2Bat build with a cannon spike build, with some drain build flare added on to support both sides of the ship. With it I can maintain power levels at a constant 110+, dish out a lot of damage when my spike is ready (DEM3 is crucial for it, and really for anyone who wants this ship to do any serious kind of damage) while keeping up decent pressure otherwise (with the power levels, my skill spec, and fleet RCS I can stay on target extremely well), and all the while still being able to outlast anything short of nonsense or focus fire from an entire team.
All the while this is without having even gotten any reputation done whatsoever, which alone shows how great the ship can be. I wouldn't say its overpowered (because it isn't, at least, it won't be once everyone else gets command powers) though I can see why people might say that every now and then. But this ship and the Scimitar seem to be the beginnings of Tier 6, so to say they're overpowered and should be nerfed is just silly because then it defeats the point of introducing a new tier of ships.
OK, here's the requested Command stats:
-Command Shield Frequency Modulation-
+10% damage reduction to shields for yourself and nearby allies
+10% shield regeneration to yourself and nearby allies
-Command - Weapon Systems Efficiency-
PBAOE Weapon power cost reduction
Affects Friend and Self (20 max)
-25% energy power cost
-Command - Strategic Maneuvering-
+10% flight speed for yourself. Nearby allies gain flight speed, but this diminishes the further away they are from your ship.
+3 turn rate for yourself. Nearby allies gain turn rate, but this diminishes the further away they are from your ship.
The windows get covered with armor when she goes into red alert - very cool!!
I think part of the deflector gets armored as well - you can see and hear the armour sliding on and off - very nice fit and finish on this ship - the detail is the best of any ship in the game - bar none!!
I run her with 2 fleet neutrionum armors and get her up to a nice 22 turn rate base before boosts.
lol, why? it will give people who don't want to pay millions to get into a t5 fleet an alternative aside from the excelsior.
Because it is newer AND better. Being on the same tier is the very LEAST that should happen. If they are to be on different tiers, it's the Avenger that should be higher.
why? the regent is still an excellent ship, its not like the avenger made the regent obsolete.
awesome. Thanks Cosmic....for some odd reason i wasnt finding any lol
What tier is the fleet version now? Aren't fleet ships t5.5?
Awesome, thank you. Can't wait to see that stats of attract fire, when cruiser commands go public for FDCs.
Nothing, as long as you remember that saying something is "ugly" is a negative reference, and in the final analysis just an opinion. I think it's a very attractive ship, especially with the Avenger skin. See how that works?
The ship? I'm highly pleased with my purchase, and I bought both.
- wide-angle Dual (Heavy) Cannons with max. 90* arc
- Commander tactical. Lt. Commander engineer
it may be better but i cant fly a ship that ugly.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Yeah, the Federation has been without it. So what? The KDF lacks true science ships (the only one we really have is the Varanus, and it's 2nd rate compared to Federation science ships), and our escort ship line is weaker than the Federation's. Our BoPs are no longer fully competitive. Our only remaining edge was the battlecruiser line, and now that's being watered down further. Nothing is being done to fix these discrepancies. Our promised C-Store ship, whatever the hell it is, was delayed for no good reason. Then, suddenly, the Federation gets a battlecruiser that's better than some of what the KDF have. It's not a 2nd rate battlecruiser.
Oh, and you can take the 'scientific and engineering expertise' and stuff it. KDF has plenty of engineers and scientists, and is fully capable of developing new ships and new technologies. It simply takes a different approach to it in canon, preferring to make do with older ship designs upgraded with new tech even more so than the Federation.
R.I.P
I just don't understand why people beat up on the Varanus.
She really is not that ugly - here is my Avenger:
http://imageshack.com/a/img812/7373/gkko.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img202/9513/ajsr.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img818/2976/68qi.jpg
Function over Fashion IMO
Stupid question now though Can anyone explain all these acronyms
Marion, DEM3, CRF2, APB1 and aux2bat and such ?
Thanks.
Marion: A Duty Officer
DEM3: Directed Energy Modulation rank 3
CRF2: Cannon Rapid Fire rank 2
APB1: Attack Pattern Beta rank 1
aux2bat: Auxilary to Battery