Can use Dual Cannons / Dual Heavy Cannons
Can use a Cloaking Device
- Consoles - ENG: 4 TAC: 4 SCI: 2
- Boff Stations - TAC - Ensign TAC - Lt Com ENG - Com SCI - Lt UNI - Lt
Note: it will be this first Cruiser in the game to use the Cruiser Com Array to give buff's to itself and to other players, other Cruisers will not have it for awhile afterwards... that includes KDF Cruisers.
Let mass production begin for every Federation ship one will be a Federation battle cruiser....the Klingons won't know what hit them.:P
I am more patient then many here who complain about KDF neglect, but that patience is out. This is the second ship the Feds get with a 5th fore weapon, still none for the KDF.
This makes no sense, Klingon ships are supposed to be more about foward firepower then Fed ships are. I spend a lot of money on all factions, getting any cool ships I like, but not anymore, I am not getting the Avenger or anything from the Z-store for Feds or Romulan until after I am able to use a 5 fore weapon KDF ship.
Anyone who cares about the time and money they spent on their KDF characters needs to hold off on Z-store purchases and make sure the devs know our next purchase will only be a new KDF ship and nothing else until then.
Well, I stopped playing or paying for anything fed side once I learned how much cryptic craps on the KDF. The only money I spend now is for KDF side and cryptic doesn't even deserve that given how little they support KDF.
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I am more patient then many here who complain about KDF neglect, but that patience is out. This is the second ship the Feds get with a 5th fore weapon, still none for the KDF.
We don't even have a ship with 5tac consoles
And no the bortasqu doesn't count, thats a useless brick.
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Federation and Romulan players subsidize the KDF faction. You don't throw money into a bottomless pit if you want to stay in business. Cryptic Studios and PWE is not a charity organization.
You don't have as many ships as the Federation. True.
But the KDF has always been the underdog in STO. KDF players have done more with less.
We have this same conversation every single time a new Federation ship comes out. The dead horse is barely recognizable as an equine life form at this point.
You've gotten the Fleet Kamarag, and you're getting the Fleet veteran bird-of-prey, and the Fleet Kar'fi (not sure if any other Fleet ships are in the pipe).
If you're going to live under the Federation and Romulan Republic's roof, while we pay the bills -- a little gratitude for what you do get would be appreciated.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Showing some freakin ignorance arent you? Ive been playing since launch, I play fed, kdf, and now romulans, and honestly I would probably buy alil more shiney's for the KDF toons I have IF THEY EVER RELEASE ANY! Seriously the Kamarag? Dude both fed and kdf got those. Fleet ships............ SO WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE NOW TOO!?!?!?! Wow! Feds and Rommies pay the bills huh!?! Excuse me I paid for my lifetime sub, and Ive bought things for my Fed, KDF, and Rom toons, WE ALL PAY THE BILLS.
And maybe if attention was given to the KDF then it might be a desirable faction to play AGAIN!! And then they might be able to make more money because more people will want to play KDF. Jeez I remember when the only way you level a Klingon was through PVP or doing Empire Defense over and over again while the Fed faction had actual PVE content to play up to level 50! Don't you think that may have something to do with hurting the player base? Know your info before speaking like a ignorant fool.
Maybe this is naive or been said before but perhaps Klingon players should encourage Cryptic to do a kickstarter. I'm sure if players pooled their money and paid to develop new content then Cryptic would be happy to add new ships.
Now we all know the feds get everything and the kdf get more shafts than a north sea oil field
why?
simple really - the kdf are underdeveloped to provide instant gratification to the fed players
The only reason we have a semblence of balance is as they need players to play kdf to give the fed pvp whales something to shoot and gain gratification - its in the intrests of the game to keep the kdf as it is as the feds pay money to basically have the instant gratification of destroying an enemy player via the latest and greatest gear
The Romulans were fed orientated from the start, offering everything a fed wanted and none of the balanced drawback the kdf surffered
On the other hand, we have the die hard kdf players who either want to tryto prove their skills via a 'handicap' or ones that just don't care about being destroyed (and of course the kdf roms, who like the kdf but 'go where the money is' sotospeak)
Simply put - the weaker the kdf is, the more gratification is translated to sales via the feds - but its a balancing act to maintain a kdf population of targets - thus expect some bones to be thrown, but don't expect anything close to fed/fedrom balance
This explanation fits perfectly. We have been set up to be handicapped to feed the egoes of the majority becuase to not succeed as a fed is both noncanon and goes against the scripted reality they have been playing scifi heroe under since the IP was created.
We KDF fans never had a chance.
Per DStahl's often quoted metrics, 18% (pretty close to 1 in 5) STO players are KDF...
You forget, sir.... That at that point Romulans didn't even exists.... So 18% is STILL a higher number than 0 which makes that "metric" useless to even BEGIN to defend their actions.
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
Maybe this is naive or been said before but perhaps Klingon players should encourage Cryptic to do a kickstarter. I'm sure if players pooled their money and paid to develop new content then Cryptic would be happy to add new ships.
At this point, I'm starting to see this as the only way to get something done for the KDF in a more moderate time interval than 3 years for starting levels or 2 years for a C-Store ship, so we can at least pace behid the Feds. and not come to a complete standstill.
you could scare up the funding, but where would you find staff to actually work on it? (Hint: not at Cryptic...)
Presumably with the extra cash they could afford to higher some contractors to work exclusively on the Klingon content or if really successful bring on a new member of the staff though that assumes a bit about Perfect World/Cryptic's policies and work culture etc.
you could scare up the funding, but where would you find staff to actually work on it? (Hint: not at Cryptic...)
agree, Even if the KDF fanbase could round up funding for more content for thr KDF side, Cryptic would most likely use it to create more Lock Box ships instead.
agree, Even if the KDF fanbase could round up funding for more content for thr KDF side, Cryptic would most likely use it to create more Lock Box ships instead.
If they were going to be like that they could just start taking people's money and not giving them anything in return right now. While not legally binding Kickstarter is a form a contract with the public and it would be pretty foolish to throw that away given the huge backlash. Particularly when you could milk this as form of assured income. Why bother making something and just hope it sells to your expectations with key gimmicks when you can get people to pay for its development and be assured the income before you even start?
I believe a kickstarter fund is something Dstahl said that isn't completely off the table, but I don't think it was mentioned for Klingon content so much as rather trivial things that require a large amount of money.
Namely using a kickstarter fund to get old cast members of Star Trek to reprise their roles for STO. Since they tend to ask for a lot of money, unless they're doing it as fan service (like Chase or Denise).
I couldn't morally agree with using a kickstarter to fund KDF, but if it was guaranteed the money would be sent to revitalize the KDF, I'd probably throw some money into it.
You've had decent cruisers all this time, you've merely not been using them correctly.
This. Especially with recent changes and additions. Cruisers can run A2B, they can utilize DEM3 builds with the BO bleedthrough doff (only requires BO1), they can do plenty. It's to the point now where I've really gotta watch out when attacking a cruiser in PvP, because they're quite capable of biting back. Usually takes at least two people to handle a cruiser as it is, with the ridiculous amounts of resists and tanking nowadays.
I believe a kickstarter fund is something Dstahl said that isn't completely off the table, but I don't think it was mentioned for Klingon content so much as rather trivial things that require a large amount of money.
Namely using a kickstarter fund to get old cast members of Star Trek to reprise their roles for STO. Since they tend to ask for a lot of money, unless they're doing it as fan service (like Chase or Denise).
I couldn't morally agree with using a kickstarter to fund KDF, but if it was guaranteed the money would be sent to revitalize the KDF, I'd probably throw some money into it.
But how would a Kickstarter for KDF work?
If it's a ship I can see supporters getting the ship when it hits the C-store
But what about content... that's most decidedly F2P for all... so what would supporters get out of kickstarting content?
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
Sadly the only way I could see Klingon ships even remotely being taken seriously by Cryptic is if they were lock box ships that either side could buy. Where if a Klingon opens one it's an official Klingon ship but if a Fed opens it , it's a commandeered ship like in startrek 3 & 4.
Though that kind of defeats the purpose of having factions in the first place but I guess it would be better than nothing.
We don't even have a ship with 5tac consoles
And no the bortasqu doesn't count, thats a useless brick.
Hey Joll your fleet has 2 players that can use DHC on the Bortasqu in PVP and do pretty good with it, Me and Zac. Although I haven't used mine much lately in the past month or 2 I guess, but I'll set it up again soon for some Kerrat raiding.
The Bortasqu isn't so bad with the improvments to EPTE and RCS consoles in LoR, it has a better boff and console layout then the other KDF battlecruisers so that's why I only use that and not the others. This new Fed cruiser should not have more forward firepower then a Bort though, it deserves 5 fore weapons too now.
Lol.
Laughing at the recent "its weak" posts about the Avengers stats from some feds whom do not know a good thing when its made and sold to them.
Lol.
The only issue with a 5/3 Bortie is its horrible turn rate and enertia. Now a 5/3 Neghvar with decent turn would be fun.
Sadly the only way I could see Klingon ships even remotely being taken seriously by Cryptic is if they were lock box ships that either side could buy. Where if a Klingon opens one it's an official Klingon ship but if a Fed opens it , it's a commandeered ship like in startrek 3 & 4.
Though that kind of defeats the purpose of having factions in the first place but I guess it would be better than nothing.
I would rather attack ESD in a dingy than let the feds have any KDF ships.
LOL:D:D Bring on the battle-dingies! :P
But yeah, I agree, that would be just horrible for the game, for the IP....for everything.
Just saying the whole faction thing is kinda dead in STO already. I doubt it's going to get any better but maybe with a dingy armada the hearts and minds of cryptic can be changed.:P
Once that thing comes out, We will teach the Feds once again that thier new toys will not help them at all in PvP.
They say they gonna defeat the KDF with the Atrox Carrier... their Atrox's got smack to a point where they don't use them anymore.
They say they gonna destroy the KDF with the Vestas with DHC and fighter... instead they got blow out of the sky
They say they gonna dominate the KDF with the Kumari Escorts... they're the ones got torn apart instead.
Now they say they gonna obiterate the KDF with their new Battle Cruiser... now we gonna blast that thing up with our obsolete ships to teach them the same lesson again... new toys don't win wars alone.
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Let mass production begin for every Federation ship one will be a Federation battle cruiser....the Klingons won't know what hit them.:P
This makes no sense, Klingon ships are supposed to be more about foward firepower then Fed ships are. I spend a lot of money on all factions, getting any cool ships I like, but not anymore, I am not getting the Avenger or anything from the Z-store for Feds or Romulan until after I am able to use a 5 fore weapon KDF ship.
Anyone who cares about the time and money they spent on their KDF characters needs to hold off on Z-store purchases and make sure the devs know our next purchase will only be a new KDF ship and nothing else until then.
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We don't even have a ship with 5tac consoles
And no the bortasqu doesn't count, thats a useless brick.
The Evil Queen - Tac - Hobo
John May Lives - Sci - Hobo
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Showing some freakin ignorance arent you? Ive been playing since launch, I play fed, kdf, and now romulans, and honestly I would probably buy alil more shiney's for the KDF toons I have IF THEY EVER RELEASE ANY! Seriously the Kamarag? Dude both fed and kdf got those. Fleet ships............ SO WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE NOW TOO!?!?!?! Wow! Feds and Rommies pay the bills huh!?! Excuse me I paid for my lifetime sub, and Ive bought things for my Fed, KDF, and Rom toons, WE ALL PAY THE BILLS.
And maybe if attention was given to the KDF then it might be a desirable faction to play AGAIN!! And then they might be able to make more money because more people will want to play KDF. Jeez I remember when the only way you level a Klingon was through PVP or doing Empire Defense over and over again while the Fed faction had actual PVE content to play up to level 50! Don't you think that may have something to do with hurting the player base? Know your info before speaking like a ignorant fool.
This explanation fits perfectly. We have been set up to be handicapped to feed the egoes of the majority becuase to not succeed as a fed is both noncanon and goes against the scripted reality they have been playing scifi heroe under since the IP was created.
We KDF fans never had a chance.
R.I.P
You forget, sir.... That at that point Romulans didn't even exists.... So 18% is STILL a higher number than 0 which makes that "metric" useless to even BEGIN to defend their actions.
At this point, I'm starting to see this as the only way to get something done for the KDF in a more moderate time interval than 3 years for starting levels or 2 years for a C-Store ship, so we can at least pace behid the Feds. and not come to a complete standstill.
Presumably with the extra cash they could afford to higher some contractors to work exclusively on the Klingon content or if really successful bring on a new member of the staff though that assumes a bit about Perfect World/Cryptic's policies and work culture etc.
agree, Even if the KDF fanbase could round up funding for more content for thr KDF side, Cryptic would most likely use it to create more Lock Box ships instead.
If they were going to be like that they could just start taking people's money and not giving them anything in return right now. While not legally binding Kickstarter is a form a contract with the public and it would be pretty foolish to throw that away given the huge backlash. Particularly when you could milk this as form of assured income. Why bother making something and just hope it sells to your expectations with key gimmicks when you can get people to pay for its development and be assured the income before you even start?
Namely using a kickstarter fund to get old cast members of Star Trek to reprise their roles for STO. Since they tend to ask for a lot of money, unless they're doing it as fan service (like Chase or Denise).
I couldn't morally agree with using a kickstarter to fund KDF, but if it was guaranteed the money would be sent to revitalize the KDF, I'd probably throw some money into it.
This. Especially with recent changes and additions. Cruisers can run A2B, they can utilize DEM3 builds with the BO bleedthrough doff (only requires BO1), they can do plenty. It's to the point now where I've really gotta watch out when attacking a cruiser in PvP, because they're quite capable of biting back. Usually takes at least two people to handle a cruiser as it is, with the ridiculous amounts of resists and tanking nowadays.
But how would a Kickstarter for KDF work?
If it's a ship I can see supporters getting the ship when it hits the C-store
But what about content... that's most decidedly F2P for all... so what would supporters get out of kickstarting content?
Though that kind of defeats the purpose of having factions in the first place but I guess it would be better than nothing.
Hey Joll your fleet has 2 players that can use DHC on the Bortasqu in PVP and do pretty good with it, Me and Zac. Although I haven't used mine much lately in the past month or 2 I guess, but I'll set it up again soon for some Kerrat raiding.
The Bortasqu isn't so bad with the improvments to EPTE and RCS consoles in LoR, it has a better boff and console layout then the other KDF battlecruisers so that's why I only use that and not the others. This new Fed cruiser should not have more forward firepower then a Bort though, it deserves 5 fore weapons too now.
Laughing at the recent "its weak" posts about the Avengers stats from some feds whom do not know a good thing when its made and sold to them.
Lol.
The only issue with a 5/3 Bortie is its horrible turn rate and enertia. Now a 5/3 Neghvar with decent turn would be fun.
R.I.P
I would rather attack ESD in a dingy than let the feds have any KDF ships.
R.I.P
LOL:D:D Bring on the battle-dingies! :P
But yeah, I agree, that would be just horrible for the game, for the IP....for everything.
Just saying the whole faction thing is kinda dead in STO already. I doubt it's going to get any better but maybe with a dingy armada the hearts and minds of cryptic can be changed.:P
They say they gonna defeat the KDF with the Atrox Carrier... their Atrox's got smack to a point where they don't use them anymore.
They say they gonna destroy the KDF with the Vestas with DHC and fighter... instead they got blow out of the sky
They say they gonna dominate the KDF with the Kumari Escorts... they're the ones got torn apart instead.
Now they say they gonna obiterate the KDF with their new Battle Cruiser... now we gonna blast that thing up with our obsolete ships to teach them the same lesson again... new toys don't win wars alone.