That's all they want you to do buy/grind Marion...nerf it
Buy/grind tech doffs...nerf
Buy/grind romulan character....nerf
*DING DING DING* and we have a winner
@Naz, no offense, but SP wasn't even around when BO double taps hit the scene. So I doubt that you spend any time or money on practicing that. As for marion, a nice DBB etc. s.a.
That's all they want you to do buy/grind Marion...nerf it
Buy/grind tech doffs...nerf
Buy/grind romulan character....nerf
^^^ This.
Wait until all of the shiny has worn off, then nerf!
There's no way that they didn't think the Subspace Integration Console was not OP when it first came out - but they got the sales they wanted from it and nerfed it.
The reason that they're hesitant to nerf things now (as was directly stated in regards to A2B/Tech DOffs) is that players have spent a significant amount on them (time, money, and EC) and changing them would be "unfair."
Wait until all of the shiny has worn off, then nerf!
There's no way that they didn't think the Subspace Integration Console was not OP when it first came out - but they got the sales they wanted from it and nerfed it.
The reason that they're hesitant to nerf things now (as was directly stated in regards to A2B/Tech DOffs) is that players have spent a significant amount on them (time, money, and EC) and changing them would be "unfair."
So broken stuff should not be fixed only because someone spent money to buy it?
@Naz, no offense, but SP wasn't even around when BO double taps hit the scene. So I doubt that you spend any time or money on practicing that. As for marion, a nice DBB etc. s.a.
Never claimed to be the first to use it. No offense but we were the first ones to make it function so that almost everytime we decloaked, we got a kill and survived against outstanding opponents. We generally don't even need a nuke or alpha to do it as well.
It's only now that people are starting to catch up to it.
What other groups of people can claim that?
That's where most of our time goes. Refining builds until we can't squeeze anymore out of it and making sure it fits in a team environment.
No kidding it seems that there is a large group of PVP players that think that if they get killed in PVP then the person that killed them is exploiting a OP/Broken ability or spamming cheese. That there is no possible way that they are doing anything wrong and that the other person is a hack or is exploiting broken consoles or Doffs or whatever. I lest accept that there are certian players that I just can't kill. my whole team can shoot at them all day and not kill them. I'm not sure how that BOP or Bug can resist the focused attack of 5 players but they can do it. Do I think they are cheating or need to be nerfed? No.
They discoverd a build or bought a gaming mouse and have a great macro or great keybinds. Good for them. Not everything that kills you is broken and needs to be nurfed.
If you ask me the only thing that has been nerfed this year that needed it was the immortal fleet shields. and perhaps the Elachi console and thats it. Everything else was just to make a small but vocal group happy it seems.
only if most people cant pull it off. you see double tap required hittign two seperate buttons. this complexity isnt justified and those abusing it were simply 14 yr old nerds!
here here if u cant bind it to autofire all bind spacebar, IT ISNT FAIR
welcome to 2013 soon to be 2014.
please be aware that implemented systems from 20 years ago may become antiquated do to limitations in their scalability, causing them to break down and replaced with new systems that can deal with the content.
Forgetting about the bleed through doffs that will still allow 5. second kills.
Oh, we can still kill with just 1 person without the double tap in less than 2 secs. The point is, everytime we do this, will cryptic just nerf bat everything because we bruised someone else's ego to the point where you'll only have elite handbags available in a T5 starbase near you?
We don't just come up with these builds over night. It takes weeks and months to perfect internally within our fleet spending time money and effort.
So, if the reward for this is Cryptic TRIBBLE over the guys that invest, something is seriously wrong.
Sounds like an arguement a p2wer would use you and your p2w double tap.
Never claimed to be the first to use it. No offense but we were the first ones to make it function so that almost everytime we decloaked, we got a kill and survived against outstanding opponents. We generally don't even need a nuke or alpha to do it as well.
It's only now that people are starting to catch up to it.
What other groups of people can claim that?
That's where most of our time goes. Refining builds until we can't squeeze anymore out of it and making sure it fits in a team environment.
So let me get this strait you are bragging that you can use double tap without alpha or snb and get a kill every time. You are also claiming that this is ok. Lol you crack me up .
Double tap was p2w... damn didin't know Cryptic was cashing in on my builds back in 09. lol
I believe the op was stating that double tap was made extremely op with marion doffs correct so no your ****ty bo double tap from 09 sucked and was very unreliable and was not p2w . The new double tap wich is easy to do and is almost 100 % efficient and requires a doff that cost money that makes it p2w. As ive heard the op state it was when marion came into play that it became exploitable i agree it became even more exploitable with the bleedthrough doffs. Nobody wants to mention that because it might get nerfed also.
I believe the op was stating that double tap was made extremely op with marion doffs correct so no your ****ty bo double tap from 09 sucked and was very unreliable and was not p2w . The new double tap wich is easy to do and is almost 100 % efficient and requires a doff that cost money that makes it p2w. As ive heard the op state it was when marion came into play that it became exploitable i agree it became even more exploitable with the bleedthrough doffs. Nobody wants to mention that because it might get nerfed also.
Who pays for their Marion doffs??
Ec is an ingame currency
----=====This is my opinion you don't have to listen and no one else has to read them these "OPINIONS" are based on my exploits and my learning other people will have their opinions and that's fine just don't knock my way of doing things thanks=====---- :cool:
For the Key to exist, there has to have been a Zen transaction. Outside of various contests, Zen exists because of a cash transaction. Could be an actual purchase, could be from a stipend...but actual money was involved.
Just because somebody might join in the chain somewhere after the real money was involved, doesn't negate the fact that real money has to exist in the chain.
It's a means by which somebody can take real money, buy Zen, and not only convert it to Dil - but they can also effectively buy EC with real money.
It's not like it's drug money or anything, but folks need to stop kidding themselves about the nature of the game - looking down on things - while playing a role in them. Cryptic couldn't offer so much for free if it weren't for the fact that folks grinding away EC and Dil are still helping Cryptic make money. It's part of what keeps the game afloat.
For the Key to exist, there has to have been a Zen transaction. Outside of various contests, Zen exists because of a cash transaction. Could be an actual purchase, could be from a stipend...but actual money was involved.
Just because somebody might join in the chain somewhere after the real money was involved, doesn't negate the fact that real money has to exist in the chain.
It's a means by which somebody can take real money, buy Zen, and not only convert it to Dil - but they can also effectively buy EC with real money.
It's not like it's drug money or anything, but folks need to stop kidding themselves about the nature of the game - looking down on things - while playing a role in them. Cryptic couldn't offer so much for free if it weren't for the fact that folks grinding away EC and Dil are still helping Cryptic make money. It's part of what keeps the game afloat.
zen can be claimed using dilithium which can be earned by spending 5-10 minutes doing an stf
From which the key can be purchased in order to find the Marion
From which the ec can be earned in kerrat across a week or so depending on how good at that you are
My Marion didn't cost me a penny or RL money unless you include my broadband connection and laptop I play on
All it cost me was 3 disruptor coils
----=====This is my opinion you don't have to listen and no one else has to read them these "OPINIONS" are based on my exploits and my learning other people will have their opinions and that's fine just don't knock my way of doing things thanks=====---- :cool:
zen can be claimed using dilithium which can be earned by spending 5-10 minutes doing an stf
From which the key can be purchased in order to find the Marion
From which the ec can be earned in kerrat across a week or so depending on how good at that you are
My Marion didn't cost me a penny or RL money unless you include my broadband connection and laptop I play on
All it cost me was 3 disruptor coils
Somebody has to buy the Zen...for you to trade Dil for it.
Doesn't matter that you didn't pay real money for it - the item cannot exist without somebody having paid real money for it. Which I guess you missed with what I said...
edit: It's rare that I slap down actual money on the game, but I do my part by farming EC and Dil for things only available because somebody did slap down actual money on the game.
Somebody has to buy the Zen...for you to trade Dil for it.
Doesn't matter that you didn't pay real money for it - the item cannot exist without somebody having paid real money for it. Which I guess you missed with what I said...
edit: It's rare that I slap down actual money on the game, but I do my part by farming EC and Dil for things only available because somebody did slap down actual money on the game.
the only exception are life timers who have had it for at least 2 years.
their stipends cost cryptic money imo at that point.
the only exception are life timers who have had it for at least 2 years.
their stipends cost cryptic money imo at that point.
Have always figured that Cryptic's marketing views that along the lines of those places that offer a small free coffee to get somebody in the shop...more money will be earned than lost in the long run for them.
Because I think it's far more fun to actually have a battle than to be a one shot wonder, but then combat isn't my thing, I'm an explorer, not a warmonger.
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
Because I think it's far more fun to actually have a battle than to be a one shot wonder, but then combat isn't my thing, I'm an explorer, not a warmonger.
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*DING DING DING* and we have a winner
@Naz, no offense, but SP wasn't even around when BO double taps hit the scene. So I doubt that you spend any time or money on practicing that. As for marion, a nice DBB etc. s.a.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
^^^ This.
Wait until all of the shiny has worn off, then nerf!
There's no way that they didn't think the Subspace Integration Console was not OP when it first came out - but they got the sales they wanted from it and nerfed it.
The reason that they're hesitant to nerf things now (as was directly stated in regards to A2B/Tech DOffs) is that players have spent a significant amount on them (time, money, and EC) and changing them would be "unfair."
So broken stuff should not be fixed only because someone spent money to buy it?
"Broken stuff", by who's definition? And which point of view? OP maybe, broken; doubt it.
I hope so.
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
Never claimed to be the first to use it. No offense but we were the first ones to make it function so that almost everytime we decloaked, we got a kill and survived against outstanding opponents. We generally don't even need a nuke or alpha to do it as well.
It's only now that people are starting to catch up to it.
What other groups of people can claim that?
That's where most of our time goes. Refining builds until we can't squeeze anymore out of it and making sure it fits in a team environment.
Why is that?
It's the 21st Century and everyone is a winner. No one must die!
Damn teams and their heals and kills!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
PCPvP? (Politically Correct Player versus Player)
R.I.P
They discoverd a build or bought a gaming mouse and have a great macro or great keybinds. Good for them. Not everything that kills you is broken and needs to be nurfed.
If you ask me the only thing that has been nerfed this year that needed it was the immortal fleet shields. and perhaps the Elachi console and thats it. Everything else was just to make a small but vocal group happy it seems.
here here if u cant bind it to autofire all bind spacebar, IT ISNT FAIR
Forgetting about the bleed through doffs that will still allow 5. second kills.
Sounds like an arguement a p2wer would use you and your p2w double tap.
What has double tap to do with pay2win? LOL.
You're so hilarious
timeship2winjumpers
So let me get this strait you are bragging that you can use double tap without alpha or snb and get a kill every time. You are also claiming that this is ok. Lol you crack me up .
I believe the op was stating that double tap was made extremely op with marion doffs correct so no your ****ty bo double tap from 09 sucked and was very unreliable and was not p2w . The new double tap wich is easy to do and is almost 100 % efficient and requires a doff that cost money that makes it p2w. As ive heard the op state it was when marion came into play that it became exploitable i agree it became even more exploitable with the bleedthrough doffs. Nobody wants to mention that because it might get nerfed also.
Who pays for their Marion doffs??
Ec is an ingame currency
Marion couldn't exist in the game unless somebody spent real money somewhere in the chain.
Lockboxy Key -> Temporal Lockbox -> Temporal Beacon Storage Device -> Marion
For the Key to exist, there has to have been a Zen transaction. Outside of various contests, Zen exists because of a cash transaction. Could be an actual purchase, could be from a stipend...but actual money was involved.
Just because somebody might join in the chain somewhere after the real money was involved, doesn't negate the fact that real money has to exist in the chain.
It's a means by which somebody can take real money, buy Zen, and not only convert it to Dil - but they can also effectively buy EC with real money.
It's not like it's drug money or anything, but folks need to stop kidding themselves about the nature of the game - looking down on things - while playing a role in them. Cryptic couldn't offer so much for free if it weren't for the fact that folks grinding away EC and Dil are still helping Cryptic make money. It's part of what keeps the game afloat.
zen can be claimed using dilithium which can be earned by spending 5-10 minutes doing an stf
From which the key can be purchased in order to find the Marion
From which the ec can be earned in kerrat across a week or so depending on how good at that you are
My Marion didn't cost me a penny or RL money unless you include my broadband connection and laptop I play on
All it cost me was 3 disruptor coils
Somebody has to buy the Zen...for you to trade Dil for it.
Doesn't matter that you didn't pay real money for it - the item cannot exist without somebody having paid real money for it. Which I guess you missed with what I said...
edit: It's rare that I slap down actual money on the game, but I do my part by farming EC and Dil for things only available because somebody did slap down actual money on the game.
the only exception are life timers who have had it for at least 2 years.
their stipends cost cryptic money imo at that point.
Do you even Science Bro?
Have always figured that Cryptic's marketing views that along the lines of those places that offer a small free coffee to get somebody in the shop...more money will be earned than lost in the long run for them.
Because I think it's far more fun to actually have a battle than to be a one shot wonder, but then combat isn't my thing, I'm an explorer, not a warmonger.
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
PvP in essence is about warmongery though.
From a distance in Total War, there seem to be well organized units fighting. Zoom in, you can hear their sputtered cries of anguish as they die...