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  • aldo1rainealdo1raine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    For gods sake it's not a god damn exploit

    Yeah it could be argued its slightly OP at times but its not a flaming exploit

    hmmm...sounds like something an exploiter would say
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Yep, start posting vids of single-burst all-cannon kills
  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Did I miss patch notes somewhere?

    Anyways... I am not heartbroken if the BO Stacking is gone (and I do fly Escorts, with DBB and BO Stacked (+ Doffs). Just changes the game a bit... and will (IMO) improve PvP (see the myriad of threads regarding PvP and new players to it getting vaped, and leaving PvP as a result).

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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    g0h4n4 wrote: »
    It really is sad with the state of how players and the game has turned into. PVE player complains, PVE gets.

    To be honest, the only people I saw complaining about the Double Tap (and BO expecially after the Doffs) were other PvP'ers. I may be wrong, but probably not by far... What would a PvE'er care about double tapped BO? Only helps them.

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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    g0h4n4 wrote: »
    I can still kill players in Kerrat without a second BO, what does that show? epic fail builds or single BO need nerfing?

    Some players will refuse to accept that, so they will complain that your single BO needs nerfing. Cryptic will be fine with that, because their intended playerbase and the design goals for the game are for folks with little to no skill or ability to buy something that will let them be Benjamin Luc Kirk and chestbump themselves in the bathroom mirror.

    Hrmm, today has not been my most gracious day as far as posting goes, eh?
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Did I miss patch notes somewhere?

    Anyways... I am not heartbroken if the BO Stacking is gone (and I do fly Escorts, with DBB and BO Stacked (+ Doffs). Just changes the game a bit... and will (IMO) improve PvP (see the myriad of threads regarding PvP and new players to it getting vaped, and leaving PvP as a result).

    New players will still get vaped what ever is used, CRF3 4dhcs or Torp builds in a T'varo. The problem is the learning curve players have and they just chucked in the deep end with no decent tutorials before entering PVP.

    So I can kill you with 4dhcs in 5 secs, does that get nerfed too?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    To be honest, the only people I saw complaining about the Double Tap (and BO expecially after the Doffs) were other PvP'ers. I may be wrong, but probably not by far... What would a PvE'er care about double tapped BO? Only helps them.

    I can't be certain, but he may have been referring to PvE folks hitting up Ker'rat to farm or those PvE folks looking to grab the Dil/Marks from the PvP dailies.
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    To be honest, the only people I saw complaining about the Double Tap (and BO expecially after the Doffs) were other PvP'ers. I may be wrong, but probably not by far... What would a PvE'er care about double tapped BO? Only helps them.

    Because said PVer goes to pUG pvp and gets vaped.

    Also why would you bring a pure double tapper into the STF? you asking to be trolled. You could hardly take much fire in a T'varo let alone hold a raptor or Neghr warship in ISE
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  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Some players will refuse to accept that, so they will complain that your single BO needs nerfing. Cryptic will be fine with that, because their intended playerbase and the design goals for the game are for folks with little to no skill or ability to buy something that will let them be Benjamin Luc Kirk and chestbump themselves in the bathroom mirror.

    Hrmm, today has not been my most gracious day as far as posting goes, eh?

    Thats sums up the state of the game today doesn't it?
    Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
    - Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
  • jjgrands420jjgrands420 Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    just wait till you noobs see what i do with ion cannon mogai retro super part beam wtf pwn everybody like kumari shot

    there will be qq, there will be nerf, there will be leet mode pvper ride the waves crest before the (next) nerfs hit

    stay frosty or die a cold death
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    just wait till you noobs see what i do with ion cannon mogai retro super part beam wtf pwn everybody like kumari shot

    there will be qq, there will be nerf, there will be leet mode pvper ride the waves crest before the (next) nerfs hit

    stay frosty or die a cold death

    I am glad you have found your mojo back readying for the BO nerf
    Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
    - Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    just wait till you noobs see what i do with ion cannon mogai retro super part beam wtf pwn everybody like kumari shot

    there will be qq, there will be nerf, there will be leet mode pvper ride the waves crest before the (next) nerfs hit

    stay frosty or die a cold death

    good luck with that. it shares cooldowns with BO
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    good luck with that. it shares cooldowns with BO

    I asked, but I don't remember seeing an answer - anybody see if the following question was answered anywhere...

    Will the 5s gap from BO affect the use of the Singularity Ability Energy Weapons - Singularity Overcharge?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    just wait till you noobs see what i do with ion cannon mogai retro super part beam wtf pwn everybody like kumari shot

    there will be qq, there will be nerf, there will be leet mode pvper ride the waves crest before the (next) nerfs hit

    stay frosty or die a cold death

    Have you done the Ar'kif with...

    Hyperflux
    Refracting Cascade
    BO
    Iso Charge
    TS
    Focused Singularity
  • fade78fade78 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    do You Think Is Ok For A Mmo That Players Go From 100%->0% In Under 5 Sec ?

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    Yes We Do
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    fade78 wrote: »
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    Yes We Do

    +1, the same applies the other way from 1% to 100% in 5 secs
    Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
    - Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    g0h4n4 wrote: »
    +1, the same applies the other way from 1% to 100% in 5 secs

    You know...honestly, I have less of an issue with the 100->0 because so much of that can come down to the build that a person flies into PvP (the same attack on three different players: one doesn't even notice it, one has to do something, and one is waiting to respawn)...

    ...but I despise the magic wand healing - hate it massively when it comes to hull heals. Meh...we're not flying organic ships, they shouldn't heal like organic beings.
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You know...honestly, I have less of an issue with the 100->0 because so much of that can come down to the build that a person flies into PvP (the same attack on three different players: one doesn't even notice it, one has to do something, and one is waiting to respawn)...

    ...but I despise the magic wand healing - hate it massively when it comes to hull heals. Meh...we're not flying organic ships, they shouldn't heal like organic beings.

    Well star trek ships do in some ways have organic matter, the Gel packs they use in their electric systems for examples, but of course that wouldn't explain the yo yo healing/damage unless you were the undine lol
    Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
    - Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    fade78 wrote: »
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    as long as its harder to do it then having 2 BOs running and having 2 DBB on auto fire
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    What's next?

    If you see something coming to a Rep, Lobi Store, Zen Store, Fleet, etc, etc, etc...where it involves some financial investment from a player (directly or indirectly) - then consider the core item it buffs to be the next item to be nerfed. ;)

    edit: Oh, oh, oh...how about this: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=12446541#post12446541
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Scis were actually able to work together to kill things, and now look at where we are now :(
  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    praxi5 wrote: »
    Scis were actually able to work together to kill things, and now look at where we are now :(

    Me and Zyphoid were doing it in our recluses tonight :) That worked. Granted not to the same extent as the old days.
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Me and Zyphoid were doing it in our recluses tonight :) That worked. Granted not to the same extent as the old days.

    Did you ram them to death with ramming speed with a dual pronged attack from two whales?
    Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
    - Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat as naz.

    I always wondered what this nerf meant for other future builds/tactics. Seriously, what's to stop two tacs practicing how to beam overload a target at the same time on teamspeak; instant pop? Will the dev nerf alpha strike altogether then?

    Edit: They've already nerfed GDF, soon beam overload and what have yous... What's next? All the attack patterns?

    the point is it takes 2 people again, not a lone double barreled gunman.
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    So long as I can fire Grav Pulse -> Phaser Lance -> CRF + HYT, you guys can skrew all you want.

    I surmise that the quickest way to fix (and break) the game is to reduce all weapons to BA damage (unless its a turret), change all weapon drain profiles to that of a DHC, then add special effects to said type of weapon. Then when players can't do anything for weeks, nerf heals. And after that, nerf resists. And after, make sure all the slots on a ship reflect the career it was designed for: ie escorts only have tac slots, cruisers only have eng, sci only have sci. Turn battlecruisers into cruisers, carriers into science vessels, and bops into escorts. And after that, restrict things such that your career only allows you to fly one kind of ship, unless its a lockbox ship. And after that, remove the damn skill assignment tree because giving player choice is the avenue to creating OPness.

    Removal of all player choice is the only real way to balance an MMO, as proven by pandas. And keep doing that every few weeks until it takes 5 players 20mins to focus down a cruiser that cannot possibly heal itself to full. SciVes in 10mins. Escorts can die in 5s but as a token of appreciation can respawn immediately.

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    I certainly can't see that ever happening though, but knowing you guys thats the only way to fix the game... by making it unplayable for half a year for everyone. So that everyone would suffer like the pvpers do.


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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    g0h4n4 wrote: »
    Did you ram them to death with ramming speed with a dual pronged attack from two whales?

    We sat on them.....
  • g0h4n4g0h4n4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    We sat on them.....

    The after math must have been apocolyptic
    Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
    - Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    the point is it takes 2 people again, not a lone double barreled gunman.

    Oh, we can still kill with just 1 person without the double tap in less than 2 secs. The point is, everytime we do this, will cryptic just nerf bat everything because we bruised someone else's ego to the point where you'll only have elite handbags available in a T5 starbase near you?

    We don't just come up with these builds over night. It takes weeks and months to perfect internally within our fleet spending time money and effort.

    So, if the reward for this is Cryptic TRIBBLE over the guys that invest, something is seriously wrong.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Oh, we can still kill with just 1 person without the double tap in less than 2 secs. The point is, everytime we do this, will cryptic just nerf bat everything because we bruised someone else's ego to the point where you'll only have elite handbags available in a T5 starbase near you?

    We don't just come up with these builds over night. It takes weeks and months to perfect internally within our fleet spending time --->money<---- and effort.

    So, if the reward for this is Cryptic TRIBBLE over the guys that invest, something is seriously wrong.

    That's all they want you to do buy/grind Marion...nerf it

    Buy/grind tech doffs...nerf

    Buy/grind romulan character....nerf
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